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@cjojay

2 жыл бұрын

Can you talk about if there is still a role for feminism in 2021, whether there is a "gender war" and whether feminism contributes to that.

@bitfusionsouthafrica

2 жыл бұрын

Ma'am, your logic is backwards. But I respect your freedom to express yourself.

@cjojay

2 жыл бұрын

@@bitfusionsouthafrica how is it backwards?

@benisturning30

2 жыл бұрын

You give horrifying reasons to support this issue. Anyone who says things like, “wrong side of history”, isn’t really genuine.

@bitfusionsouthafrica

2 жыл бұрын

@@cjojay because *Let's Go Brandon* exists.

I'm one of those "old time" intersex and trans. And I've heard that argument about how "tough" we are compared to these "young fragile snowflakes" and how they all miss us. Thing is they don't miss us. They miss mistreating us and gaslighting us WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES. We HAD to pretend like we weren't hurt. I HAD to smile or shrug away through sooo much horrific jokes and humiliating phrases. I was dying and bleeding inside, I cried so many nights so that nobody saw me not because I'm tough and I don't care about being talked down and made fun of. But because I needed to survive. How many queer people have committed suicide during those "good old times", does Dave care? Does Dave care that I never got to enjoy my childhood and my youth? Does Dave care that I was literally afraid to turn on the TV because I couldn't hear one more abuse? Does Dave care that every minute of every day was like walking on broken glass? Does Dave care that so many of us couldn't have careers despite being educated capable smart people? Does Dave care about all the raped, beaten to a pulp and murdered? Does Dave care about me going out to buy bread wandering if I'd make it to the store and back unhurt and alive? Does he care that I was surrounded by five angry men at the local grocery store simply because I was there buying groceries and Not One Person stood up for me. I had to fight five people for what?! And yet I never felt pissed off that Black people got rights. Or that cis women got rights. I CELEBRATED because I know how damn tough it is. Because I don't want anyone to go through the abuse I went through.

@XxxMuseluverxxX

2 жыл бұрын

I’m so sorry you had to endure this; it’s so so heart wrenching-I am hoping for a better world, a better world for you, a better world for me and everyone else that comes after us.

@dreamofsomeepiphany3502

2 жыл бұрын

No, I don’t think Dave cares. I think he spoke about something he doesn’t understand and doesn’t care to learn about. I’m sorry this happened to you and I hope you’re doing better now.

@jamielee7404

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreamofsomeepiphany3502 thank you, I'm actually doing amazing and living my best life

@jamielee7404

2 жыл бұрын

@@XxxMuseluverxxX thank you. I'm doing amazing despite it all. In fact because I know what abuse is I've decided to join animal rights and rescue and have been doing it for 6 years. So I'm proud of turning my pain into making a better world for all of us

@dreamofsomeepiphany3502

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamielee7404 I’m very glad you get to live your life now!

thank you for this…it’s therapeutic to watch. as a black queer person tugged either way at the intersection of these two parts of my identity, i felt like the intricacies of our own experiences were so unheard in this conversation. it was extremely upsetting, but it’s really amazing to see someone so nicely put the scattered emotional thoughts in my mind into words. i fee a lot more collected now.

@JosueJoseph1991

2 жыл бұрын

I second this🙏🏾🔥

@arurasky

2 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯

@mel818

2 жыл бұрын

FD Signifier did a great video on it too, I higlhy recommend it. Hugs to you

I had a conversation about this with my mom and it was like talking in circles. I’m queer and she’s straight, and I was explaining to her that there’s a level of intersection that gets ignored when you paint the LGBT community and the black community as two separate entities. It’s hard for me to believe people like Dave Chapelle care about ALL black people when the Black members of the LGBT community are largely ignored at best and at worst brutalized by their own community.

@Taletree92

2 жыл бұрын

What did your mom say to that?

@JamieBleu

2 жыл бұрын

He almost completely ignored black people in that special. Gay black men and straight black women were mentioned very briefly for like 1 minute. He purposely turned the gay conversation into a fight against racism towards black men.

@marymeeks6680

2 жыл бұрын

bullys

@marymeeks6680

2 жыл бұрын

@naja. If your mom was gay you wouldn't be here! Think she might be onto somethimg?

@damonmcdowelljr2782

2 жыл бұрын

@@marymeeks6680 You do know gay people are still capable of having children, right? Being gay doesn't sterilize us.

As a trans man it’s been so meaningful to see black creators as well stand with us. Thank you.

@wayofswans6056

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I'm a trans woman. I don't understand what your statement means. Chapelle stands with trans people? I find that confusing when he announced himself a terf and basically said you're female by fact. Can you explain perhaps? Or perhaps you don't mean Chappelle, in which case I sincerely apologize.

@laakkonen6847

2 жыл бұрын

@@wayofswans6056 pretty sure he's talking about For Harriet and F.D. Signifier and other black KZreadrs.

@wayofswans6056

2 жыл бұрын

@@laakkonen6847 That would certainly make sense. I'm just quite used to people saying stupid things in defense of Chappelle, haha.

@alexjon6215

2 жыл бұрын

It’s only a few and they don’t speak for the majority of the population. Most of us don’t support it, sorry but not sorry.

@jp9707

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexjon6215 you seem like such a charming person. But for real, I'm glad that by the end of my life I'll have spent my time being kind to others (to the best of my knowledge and ability). I'm sorry for you that you won't have. What's the point of living if you leave the world worse than you found it? I hope you learn kindness one day.

I often hear the statement that “black people can’t choose to be black” in response to advocating for equality and fair treatment of black LGBTQ people and when I respond to that with “if being black was a choice would it then justify the way we’re treated”? No one ever has an answer. When I remind them that black LGBTQ people are black, they looked puzzled. Black people have never had equality so we don’t know what it looks like. We only know what white people have and that’s what we want. We share their psychology the only difference is most of them are racist, and most of us are homophobic but both blindly defend our conditioned hate and wanna hold on to that one thing society tells us we’re right for being. White people grow up in a society that inadvertently tells them they’re right for being white. Black people grow up in a society that inadvertently tells them they’re right for being straight. A lot of black people I know get offended when I tell them there’s privilege in being straight, no different than the whites getting offended when I say there’s privilege in being white.

@TellitTay

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for taking the time to share your perspective❤️

@boukimalice7909

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@alexjon6215

2 жыл бұрын

@@TellitTay lol black ppl never had equality? Such a great perspective 😄🙃

@akashaj8610

2 жыл бұрын

This is a 🔥 take 💯 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@georardmatthews8719

2 жыл бұрын

Straight blacks are being shot across America.

Can we take a second to appreciate Kim’s set and camera quality?? Amazing And that dress!!!!!

@stuartpratuch7036

2 жыл бұрын

The color coordination is on point between the dress, the set, the textures, the patterns.

@toiletfrog

2 жыл бұрын

@@stuartpratuch7036 yes the textures and patterns all work so well together!! Also changing camera angles? Amazing

@fairylesbyaintdve6536

2 жыл бұрын

ITS SO STUNNING like the cut outs WITH ELASTIC on the side…….. genius!!!!!!! so pretty

"I miss them old school gays" gives "make America great again" vibes.

@starcherry6814

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

@nafeesahtynetta

2 жыл бұрын

I once heard an old lady say that life was better back in the day because “the blacks actually listened”… that’s what Dave was giving. Yikes!

@bonemeringue9464

2 жыл бұрын

They mean closeted gays, ones that cowered in "respect" (fear) when necessary and the self loathing ones.

@birdiewolf3497

2 жыл бұрын

@@bonemeringue9464 Basically. The ones that let folks be homophobic/transphobic without consequence because simply because they don't completely deny their existence. That's not enough for these new gays.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because your comprehension isn’t the best, if you know about the past of gay Americans they fought for what they wanted and fought for rights, they didn’t try to cancel opinions they didn’t agree with, that’s what he was speaking of.

I’ve noticed how all the right wing has come out to embrace Dave I’ve seen it on Twitter as well with black folk agreeing with Dave while having maga right wingers under their comments agreeing with them like that’s not a red flag lol I’ve noticed a lot of similarities in general with most black folk and maga it’s really scary and disheartening but sadly not surprising i always said if it wasn’t for rascism most black pple would be right wingers

@nialapin

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@Iamjustherek

2 жыл бұрын

Oh god yeah, I'm in a black travel group and the amount of antivax and covid minimizers in there is so disheartening...

@Kevin-rg3yc

2 жыл бұрын

I learned a long time ago when white conservatives support and agree to a black/POC person saying something questionable that’s a automatic red flag for me

@PaintedHoundie

2 жыл бұрын

All those conservative figures that come to defend him are going to be hush when the next time he talks about racial issues. They did that when he did his george flloyd talk. They defend figures when it's convenient for them.

@CuddlyGrizzyBear

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you 1000%, most black people are not that liberal in their political beliefs and practices. If republicans could get over their race problem there would be tons of support from black people to share in the oppression of others.

This analysis deserves a Patreon subscription. I said to my friend last week that Donald Trump and Dave Chappelle operate from the same playbook. I’m glad that someone else saw what I saw. I enjoyed every second of this video. Thank you so much for this, Kimberly!

I will listen to Kim talk about literally anything because I’m going to get solid commentary regardless ❤️

@kf7451

2 жыл бұрын

Period. I remember her video about billy eilish…I don’t give a damn about that girl but watched Kims whole video about her lol

@Peighter

2 жыл бұрын

This comment right here!👌🏽 She has a video talking about an arranged marriage tv show, had never watched it, but i watched the whole video

@MarkBailey1972

2 жыл бұрын

Whether I agree with her or disagree with her I always know she’s going to intelligently explain her point of view and sometimes that’s all you ask for.

@fredarente

2 жыл бұрын

She is kind of silly….. she has put more into the gay thing than in the NWord. She’s an Agant who doesn’t give a Phuck about her People! I am done with this Trickster

@W4TSKY

2 жыл бұрын

@@fredarente Lol ok? This is the second time I've seen you comment some BS on this comment section alone, so I don't think you're even a fan in the first place because this video lines up perfectly with a lot of her other views. Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Enjoy some Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro videos, those may be more your speed 😂

The way he says “trans people” while referring exclusively to wealthy white trans women so it sounds like he’s not punching down 🙄 even though multiple black trans women with some semblance of a platform have tried to politely break it down for him

@michmiranda9405

2 жыл бұрын

It kind of hurts how much he really really doesn’t give a shit and It sucks bc most people are really like that.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

@@michmiranda9405 so his emotion in that special really came across as not giving a shit?

@mel818

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 Yes. He thinks he's spitting facts but pretty much every thing he says shows he's an ignorant on trans issues and trans lives. Dude says he's against the Bathroom Bill, then defends JK Rowling and calls himself a TERF, he doesn't even know TERFs support that bill. He came across ignorant, cruel and lazy. Dave demonstrated for years through his comedy he's very intelligent and capable of deep reflection, so he clearly doesn't care enough about this to make an actual effort to understand trans people, and the fact he still chose to make a whole special about it is apalling.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

@@mel818 the fact that you said he made a whole special about trans people just shows you didn’t watch the special, he stated his feeling no where did he try to state facts, he said team terf how he defines it is a cisgender, dont attach bills and all kind of Of other shit to his definition of a women he can think what ever the hell he wants as a American.

@cv8499

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 Fine, he spent half the special talking about gay and trans people. And how can you separate the terms he used from their actual meanings? Being cisgender is not how he defined TERF. What he said was, he agrees with them because "gender is a fact." Which, from the TERF perspective, means trans women should not be considered women and therefore get the same considerations and legal protections. JK Rowling wrote a whole essay about it, and why trans women should not be allowed to use women's bathrooms. So for Dave to say he agrees with JK and team TERF, but also say the bathroom bill is "mean," shows he's either ignorant about JK and Team TERF's positions, or he's contradicting himself. Yes, he can think whatever the hell he wants. He should just know that his thoughts are rooted in ignorance and hatred, that's all. He should own that, and stop trying so hard to deny he's transphobic. If that's how you feel, at least say it with your chest.

"Once you open the flood gates, you don't get to decide what sticks." Yup.

@Iyoh101

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for reminding me about that! I saw not long ago Charlie Kirk having to denounce a man who asked about being violent to the people who 'stole the election'. Like they created that person! What were they expecting?

@FreyaEinde

2 жыл бұрын

This line is why his intentions don’t really matter because people are gonna use the incendiary things he says for their own ends and the control is off once it’s out in the ether. So if his intentions were honestly not about propagating bigotry why even fuck with it in jest, even well put together satire backfires so how do you think sloppy commentary is gonna land?

@monimuppet6132

2 жыл бұрын

@@FreyaEinde It has been proven time and time again that when the satire lands where it's supposed to, the fires ppl attempt to start with it don't spread very far. But it says something that 1) so many with off color philosophies found resonance in Dave's jokes and 2) that so many others were able to pick it apart for its hypocrisy - quickly. The idea that comedy can't, or even shouldn't, be scrutinized is futile. No one cares. If you broadcast it, it shall be analyzed. You're yelling into the void with that one. Also, Dave's intentions absolutely matter because he (and many of his supporters) claim he was speaking "truths". He WANTED us to consider his intentions and what we have now is the result of that consideration.

@FreyaEinde

2 жыл бұрын

@@monimuppet6132 I might not have it put it clearly, I meant his intentions don't matter as a defense for his jokes. Which is the defense I've seen thrown up for his behaviour by comments in other streams. To me, if my intention was to not hurt somebody I wouldn't be trying to justify my right to keep doing the thing that puts them out and wouldn't align myself with dialectical phrasing and groups that are out to dehumanize that group even in jest. That's my feeling. But as far as his intentions are we all guessing and waiting for the other shoe to drop.

@monimuppet6132

2 жыл бұрын

@@FreyaEinde OH, I see. Sorry for misunderstanding.

Those 'old-school gays' Dave Chapelle references are a very real faction within LGBTQ+ circles. They try to pass off their transphobia and homophobia (aka misogyny) as being superior, labeling the rest of us as too sensitive and complaining that we are spoiling things for our community. Many if not all of them are indeed of older generations. Thank you also for pointing out the existing issues of racism among LGBTQ+ people.

Can we also point this is a man who "played the back in the hood" game, when in fact he has been rich since young and grew up predominantly in white neighborhoods. Why isn't that spoke on? He is disingenuous with what he speaks on and about. I'm a fan of Chapelle, but I'm also able to see what he is doing, thank you for breaking it down so clearly.

@wordswarsandsymphonies

2 жыл бұрын

yeah wasn't he like 17 when he got famous. obviously having a childhood in poverty or near the poverty line can be difficult but surely decades of wealth help health those scars

@birdiewolf3497

2 жыл бұрын

@@wordswarsandsymphonies EXACTLY!! Like he has been rich for 40+ years.

@13bullshit

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not true though. A large portion of his last spécial was about growing up in predominantly white neighborhoods…

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

If your goin to have an opinion on a man, know what your talking about, he has said several times he’s not from the hood, his parents were not Rich the just were not poor either! His mother is a educator and the reason he has ALWAYS spoke about the plight of African Americans in this country

@Lucifersfursona

2 жыл бұрын

... whoa that’s like a pretty big deal :/

When Ben Shapiro (conveniently initialed B.S) is on your side.....time to re-evaluate your thoughts. I have liked Dave Chapelle for a long time, but damned if his whining about "being punched down on" wasn't like nails on a chalkboard to me.

@moustik31

2 жыл бұрын

If this isnt a waking call, nothing will.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

So him expressing his feelings was horrible for you to hear?

@Lucifersfursona

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 if he’s insisting they’re facts that must impact the reality of every human being, yes. Do you... know who ben Shapiro is? Mr facts don’t care about your feelings ben

@juststatedtheobvious9633

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 Him pitying his rich multi-millionaire self, while tearing other people apart? On a stage reaching millions? Pretending poor black trans folk don't exist, so his little games aren't exposed? And expressing solidarity with a hate group? And pretending all this comes from a place of empathy? No, there's no need for us to go easy on his majesty. His crying about cancel culture's made him famous again. He's the Tucker Carlson of transphobia. It's all part of his act. The real victims of cancel culture are all the trans comedians who won't get the chance to confront the spineless little shit, now that he's sold them out and thrown them under the bus.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lucifersfursona please help me understand how his words effect every human being, I’m so confused on that one

My thing about these comedians is if you're going to do edgy humor, you don't get to get mad when people get mad. That was something you accepted when you did the edgy humor, hence the name of this type of comedy. Not saying that punching down on minorities is "edgy", but that's what these types of comedians convince themselves they are doing.

@selmamyspace

2 жыл бұрын

trying to stop someone's lively hood for his opinions is what's wrong and unfair. having a discussion with that individual is what civilized people do. otherwise its all out war and you will never win that. the more you cancel the bigger the hate. ps: you're not special.

@cv8499

2 жыл бұрын

@@selmamyspace As if you really think Chappelle won't be able to make a livelihood. Come on. The man's a multimillionaire already. His documentary being pulled from a few film festivals is not going to break him. His tour is sold out in most places, all his specials are still on Netflix, along with his show. He'll be fine. He can stand some criticism--or is he too "brittle" for that? As for having a discussion, people have been trying to engage with him on this topic for years. He even says as much in his special. But he disregards them. Recently, when he showed up at his alma mater to talk to the kids there who had a problem with the special, according to them, he spent a lot of the time talking over them, making dismissive jokes, not listening, and just talking about how great he was.

YES to everything. One thing that always amazes me is that Black people like Chapelle forget that there are also Black people within the lgbtq+ group and speak about them like they are a group of its own kind. Intersectionality is a thing! I personally think this lack of acknowledgment from cis Black people comes from all of the popular shows and movies within our community (madea, martin, etc) where men dressed in women’s clothing as a caricature for comedy. I do believe that those type of characters have led people in the real world to look at trans people and others as just that, a caricature to make fun of and not a real person. I truly sympathize with all those apart of the Black lgbtq+ who are literally fighting multiple battles at once from the outside and inside their own communities.

@Alexis-wp7tf

2 жыл бұрын

Also can us Black folks understand that there is a hierarchy of oppression within our own community and when discussing the struggles of you as a Black man and mentioning the unique struggles of someone Black and queer or Black women does not invalidate your struggle?🙄

"Dave was on the precipice of making some very astute points about intersectionality. He was almost there. He said, he does not hate gay people. He's just jealous of them. No. Dave is jealous of whiteness. Dave Chapelle will not want to wake up tomorrow and be Billy Porter, a man who did not gain a mainstream career until his 50s. I'm not even worried about Chapelle. Chapelle is a lost cause. Because he was considered transgressive 20 years ago, he and the people who love him believe he has earned the right to be regressive in 2020." That's it. That's fucking it.

@guy-sl3kr

2 жыл бұрын

Dave's transgressive? More like cisgressive amirite

I only just arrived here and was excited for this since your Squid Game analysis (which was fantastic, especially enjoyed the part on Lacan). and want to say already: Damn you are absolutely glowing!

I’ve been waiting for this! Dave Chapelle claiming that he’s getting cancelled is so bullshit. He’s at the height of his fame rn, the most publicity he’s ever gotten. Netflix sure as hell hasn’t cancelled his special and his pockets sure haven’t taken any hits. So really who’s gotten cancelled here. It's definitely a grown man stuck in his ways angry that people are calling him out for bigotry instead of just letting him slide.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

Are you slow? He said the movie he was trying to sell was not being touched now, the only person that was dealing with him was Netflix’s, that’s the literally being cancelled 🤣🤣🤣I see why there is so many positive comments, you people are interesting.. and not sure if your new to chappelle but this is not the most publicity he has ever got.

@gapsule2326

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 I cant sell my movie either guess I must be cancelled

@TubularOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 Argue with your mama not me.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

@@TubularOfficial no one is arguing with you, you commented your opinion and I did the same, why so combative? No one said anything rude to you.

@shademade5175

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 Are you slow? No one said anything rude to you. ehhhh.......

The headline I liked was the least canceled man on the planet Dave Chapelle throws party at chase center.

It’s embarrassing the way that the community still doesn’t understand what’s wrong with this dang special💀

@AnimeAngel115

2 жыл бұрын

They in the comments rn saying ppl don't understand what he really meant 🙄

@WhenInDoubt_Pink

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnimeAngel115 willful ignorance ☹️

@WhenInDoubt_Pink

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorybeginsinthegarden Periodt 👏🏾👏🏾 … A lot of people were looking for a champion in harmful thinking and they got one in Dave

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

@@WhenInDoubt_Pink and what was harmful about what he said?

@Lucifersfursona

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 literally watch the video you are commenting on. Plenty of black trans people he’s willfully harming and abandoning.

I think his little follow up where he says "they" are trying to get him cancelled and "they" don't want you to watch his special made it abundantly clear to me what was going on. This isn't confusion about trans politics alone. Bc he was willing to walk away from 50 mil when he was making "socially irresponsible comedy" before- bc it was his head on the chopping block. He knows when he's making something dangerous, he's proved it. He just decided he would be okay with making that money off of our danger, off of all trans people's oppression, instead of his. He is using us for money in much the same way he was being used- and he's fine with it now, bc he knows there's no way it'll hurt the people he's decided are his

@evilcaptainred

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely well said

@keepingitkianatural

2 жыл бұрын

Hit the nail on the head.

@bklyncrook

2 жыл бұрын

I think what you wrote pretty much further push the nail to the head of this video essay title, "Where Dave Chappelle Meets Donald Trump." Trump might made a calculated move in referencing covid as the "China Virus" because he has more to gain to win the hearts of his supporters than the very small percentage of voting block that's Asian Americans. This is especially true where Asian Americans typically resides in urban cities and states that are heavily Blue. Therefore like how you mentioned Chappelle's majority based will keep him popular and rich due to the fact he doesn't need the LGBTQ community's numbers/support. And like Trump, he doesn't care what happens to the rise in violence of hate related crimes to the Asian community - too small of a fish to fry just like past history of Asians in this country. Somewhere, there's probably a Freakonimic's way of explaining your comment by using numbers.

i can feel my brain cell count restoring itself while watching kim’s videos lmao

@mollyo4199

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously!!!!!!! 🤦🏿‍♀️

@starcherry6814

2 жыл бұрын

Same! I hope Kat Blaque sees this video soon!

@msmelodythomas

2 жыл бұрын

Same!!! I may not agree with all of her points in her videos but she’s brilliant!

@alexjon6215

2 жыл бұрын

Dang, must not have been much for y’all to begin with.

Omg the new place really came together. Beautiful design Kim. And you look so luminous 🌟 So excited to hear your thoughts about this debacle

I agree completely. I thought I was going crazy looking at the comments pertaining to this subject. Black people turning into privileged wyt ppl.

@AnimeAngel115

2 жыл бұрын

A privileged mindset wit no privilege

@autumnjade815

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnimeAngel115 Exactly

This is a great video to watch after FD signifier’s video on the topic.

@AlliWalker

2 жыл бұрын

His video was brilliant.

me as a trans person trying to find the elites who are prioritizing my desires: 🔬🔎🔎

@skyetranqille9534

2 жыл бұрын

This!!! Like... I can't believe people fell for that 😭

@Decadancehallking

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! The bold face lies being told.

@shadowhunterartemis

2 жыл бұрын

-unsolved mysteries theme echoes in the distance-

Your insights are always so succinct and hit the bulls eye for me each time. You have expressed the situation with DC far better than I ever could. Thank you! Also that dress looks gorgeous on you!

@spygirl43

2 жыл бұрын

You stated exactly what I wanted to say. She needs to be heard by more people.

Kim is giving distinguished college professor - i know das right!

This new set-up!!!!! You are amazing

Where the hell does a black trans person fit into Chapelle's "our people" vs. "your people"?

Thank you for not going with the "well, he didn't have bad intent", narrative. How could he not? Dave cannot be considered this "lovable, funny dufus" that knows not what he does. Not if you're going to keep calling him a genius. You have to pick one.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

So what was his bad intent?

@missright9159

2 жыл бұрын

Sigh, I'm already exasperated without saying anything. Here's to hoping that you are genuinely willing to hear me out upon asking and not rearing for a "gotcha". Anyway, for the sake of summarizing: Chappelle wants black people to resent the LGBTQ community. It happens every single time he's released one of these recent specials, so how could he not know that it was going to happen yet again? Does he even care if he keeps doing it? I'm just trying to give him the faculty that his fans seem so desperate to hand to him unconditionally.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

@@missright9159 im def willing, as a African American man I see life through my lens and was genuinely curious what some found offensive or I’ll intentions from chappelle. I can’t tell a person how to feel and just didn’t see what some people felt.

@monimuppet6132

2 жыл бұрын

@@missright9159 That's a good point. He can't be a "genius" spitting "truths" and also "just a comedian".

@Lil-Goblina

2 жыл бұрын

@@andregoree1037 The joke where he recounts a story where he beats someone bloody in a club for being asked not to dance with their girlfriend so he instigated a fight with them. The punch line being that she was such a masculine lesbian that he mistook her for a man and kept beating her after he realized she was a woman. Does that count as homophobic for you?

Preach sister preach!!! It's quite refreshing to see cisgendered black folks hold Dave to account(I'm a cis gendered, heterosexual black man). Deep dives like yours and F.D Signifier's give me hope that everyone isn't a sycophantic super fan that thinks critical thought stops at the shores of whatever celebrity you deem beyond critique. There's been an almost pavlovian defense of Dave amongst many black people in response to even the slightest criticism or analysis of what Chapelle had to say during his problematic standup. Also, telling me to "watch the entire special" does not somehow absolve Dave of the problematic aspects of his standup. Actually, it's the antithesis, the problematic parts overshadow the substantive parts.

@fredarente

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, you seem to not like being told what to do and think but you are okay telling others how to think and feel!

Chappelle is an emotionally incurious person which is why he excels at caterwauling about big bad cancel culture and achieving victim-hood status. His material is plain lazy and click-bait engineered. Thank you for your thoughtful insight Kim!

@nafeesahtynetta

2 жыл бұрын

And can I add…. Not funny!!? I was like 30 minutes in before I gave a slight chuckle. Felt very dated, comedy is evolving like everything else abut his isn’t.

@autumnjade815

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve noticed that post-divorce Dave Chapelle is far less funny. That divorce did something to him. He got unnaturally big like he was on roids. His “stand ups “ became more serious and sinister. Just my opinion.

@asdf242

2 жыл бұрын

@@autumnjade815 Dave is divorced? I did my Googles and didn’t see anything about that… 🤔

@autumnjade815

2 жыл бұрын

@@asdf242 Sorry, not divorce, separation. When he moved to Africa and didn’t tell her.

@asdf242

2 жыл бұрын

@@autumnjade815 oh ok got it - thank you!

Thank you, Kim! I was waiting for your take on this, and it didn't disappoint. Trying to discuss this in other forums has been disheartening to say the least. The hero worship is so strong, that they refuse to hear anything negative about him, and I think you hit the nail on the head as to why that is: It's very much the same feel as a Trump rally.

"Do people think that queer people were invented in the 1960s??" Yes. Yes, some people really do think that.

It's just really hard to fight yourself out of depression when the world keeps punching you. At this point, does it even matter whether its 'punching up' or 'punching down'? We've been punched enough. It's been enough. And yet people just keep on punching. We already have the highest suicide rate of any demographic ever. And you keep on punching.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

And that’s a comedians fault, not Mental instabilities that come along with not feeling like your in the wrong body? That’s a lot of blame for one comedian that a person does not have to watch.

@ryn2844

2 жыл бұрын

​@@andregoree1037 No it's not one comedian. Did I say it was? I think I was very clear. It's the accumulation of all of the incidents. It's never just one thing. Death by a million paper cuts. It's the continuous punching coming from everywhere and everyone. I haven't watched the special. I don't need to subject myself to that. The problem is that everyone else watched it and is influenced by it, and that has a reasonable chance of influencing whether or not I get to have rights, transition related healthcare, familial support, a job, etc. I know it's probably hard to understand why a special can hit like that even if you haven't watched it. Here's an analogy. Imagine someone shared an embarrassing video of you on social media. All of your friends watched it. Your parents watched it. Potential future employers watched it. The person who decides whether you get healthcare or not watched it. Everyone in your life, even random people on the street have watched it, and they recognize you when they pass you by. They're all laughing at you, judging you, often, but not always, to your face. In such a case, does it matter whether you watch the video yourself? It's going to have a significant impact on your ability to lead your life either way. If you complained about feeling targeted, and I were to tell you 'just don't watch the video', would that in any way be helpful advice? That's pretty much exactly what it feels like, and it's pretty much exactly the impact it has on trans people's lives. My doctor's opinion of me can change due to the transphobic media she consumes. This is not true for all trans people, but for many of us, it is obvious that we are trans when you see us out on the streets. Whether my future employer watches anti-trans media has a direct impact on whether or not I get to have a job and survive. Can you just try to understand that this constant barrage of anti-trans media (because it seems to be all conservatives can talk about these days, they've moved on from the gays to the transes), feels like a barrage of personal attacks on my life? The bodily dysphoria is not why I'm suicidal, and it's not why the majority of trans people are suicidal. A trans person is 13 times more likely to attempt suicide when they don't have a supportive environment than when they do. It's society that's killing us. Yeah dysphoria is horrible, but being unable to imagine a future for yourself, either at all, or in which you lead any kind of okay life, is a level of desperation that goes far beyond that. Dysphoria can in large part be fixed (if y'all would just stop gatekeeping us out of transition related healthcare), but I can't fix society. I guess I'm confused as to why you're trying to tell me what the reasons are for me being suicidal. Why do you think you have a better insight into what causes that than the trans people concerned? Did you perhaps not understand that I was talking about myself, an actual real life trans person? Are you just trying to tell me 'Well being transgender is a mental illness. They're suicidal because they're mentally ill. It's definitely not because of the oppression they face, and we definitely should not change anything.' Because that's how it comes across. But if you are just here to call me sensitive and tell me to get over myself then I guess all I can say to that is fuck you. I don't know, grow an empathy gene or something. I'm too tired of the constant punching to even argue with you. It's been enough.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryn2844 that would make sense if it was JUST TRANS PPL are you serious, as a black male there is so much HORRIBLE imagery of us EVERYWHERE, the media, music, movies, television, I can go on and on and guess what it does effect how my doctor looks at me, how my teachers treat me, how the public views me, I think that’s the big decide, trans people feel they are living a singular experience apposed to the norm for a lot of Americans, not to say it’s ok but your not alone, I wasn’t judging you or saying what should it shouldn’t anger or upset you, as a straight African American male i was genuinely confused on how some took that special so personal vs humor he talked about everyone didn’t single out anyone and even spoke of a dear trans friend that was drove to suicide by her own community… and I study psychology hence my reason for asking I was not trying to assume or make any blank statement.

@ryn2844

2 жыл бұрын

​@@andregoree1037 Ah so you do get how 'just don't watch the special' is not how anything works then. I know that it's not just trans people. I know shit's fucked for black people too. Now imagine black trans people, a group Chappelle conveniently pretended doesn't exist. Nobody said that it was just trans people. I don't have the emotional bandwith to explain why blaming the trans community for trans suicides is beyond fucked up. That is the singular most fucked up thing he did. Not only did Chappelle use the 'I have a trans friend' excuse, he used her DEATH to bludgeon people like her with. It's disgusting. Not only that, according to Daphne's trans roommate, Chappelle was nowhere to be seen when Daphne was dealing with the backlash she received on his behalf, and he was nowhere to be seen after her death. And he thinks now he gets to use her as a shield for his transphobia? He thinks he gets to use her as an uno reverse card? It makes me sick to my stomach. If you really want to understand, watch the 'beyond cancelling Dave Chappelle' panel on Lumi Rue's channel. Khadija Mbowe is on it, as are Dahlia Bell and several other black queer folks. The reason I'm so tired of this shit is not even because of the special. The special is transphobic, yes, but it's not violently transphobic. I'm far more upset at the BBC platforming a terf who literally called for all transgender people to be lynched, in those exact words. Lily Cade. I'm upset at the fact that I'm STILL being gatekept out of any and all transition related healthcare. I'm upset at the bathroom bills, at the LGB alliance growing in influence, at notoriously transphobic Ben Shapiro consistently being the most watched media figure, and his anti-trans videos performing best of all, etcetera etcetera. It's the continuous nature of it all. It's not any one incident.

@zammmerjammer

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryn2844 If the words on a computer screen from some random stranger on the internet have any value at all, please know that you are a valuable and precious person, and one hell of a writer to boot. You shouldn't have to prove your worth to anyone just to be able to live your life. That is WRONG and it shouldn't be that way. I'm sorry you expended so much effort to vividly illustrate your lived experience only to have it drop into the black hole of Andre's total ignorance. I read it and I hear you and I took your words to heart (and clearly so did the many others who gave you a "like").

The jealousy of the whiteness. That part. In every one of his specials, Dave just speaks of his frustrations that being a multi-billionaire does not give him any hierarchy in comparison to an average white in America. He choses trans as for him they are low hanging fruit. But it always about his wealth vs his blackness vs the white man.

The Church of the Algorithm officially certifies this video in the ones and zeroes of The Recommending Holiness.

Chappell's language reenacts violence by obscuring the fact that violence does not need to be spectacular for it to be recognized as violence. Everyday acts of violence are also violence and he yields this position so well that it confuses audiences because his is subtle, and nonspectacular but is (and reinforces material and discursive) violence nonetheless

@ysuelt9116

2 жыл бұрын

Words are not violent and it will never equate to violence. Women dying from femicide in Central America, Mexico and many African states at an alarming rate is violence. Rape is violence. Domestic Abuse is violence. Assault is violence. Human trafficking is violence. Words are words. Words can incite violent acts but it's not violence.

@shiru400

2 жыл бұрын

@@ysuelt9116 words can and do reproduce violence!!! and if you do not understand that then that's on you

@ysuelt9116

2 жыл бұрын

@@shiru400 This is confusing because we're saying the exact same thing. I said words can incite violence and you said and I quote "Words can and do reproduce violence". My initial argument was that words alone are NOT violent, however, it can incite violence. A clear definition for violence is the clear use of physical harm/ force to hurt, damage or kill. Last I checked words alone does not have the ability to cause physical harm when said to another person. Also lastly, a synonym for incite means to provoke, ignite, stir up even reproduce, etc which is the word that you yourself used

@shiru400

2 жыл бұрын

@@ysuelt9116 words can and do reproduce violence, period.

It's sad to see he didn't actually learn anything from that period where he realized he was catering to racists' humor. He just moved onto a new punching bag. It shows that's the only humor he's able to do, he's always been a talentless hack. I'm sorry, even the jokes people say are good are something you could hear from your cringey uncle.

Yours and F D The Signifiers analysis are brilliant! Thank you for gathering our people, for the feminist theory lens, the intersectionality, and most of all for highlighting that we as black people need to stop allowing white supremacists tell us what our values should be, who should be our enemies--especially when all it does is keep us separate from unifying to fight our collective oppression.

The fact that Netflix took down moonlight and pariah really shows what kind if minority and intersection they actually want to be associated with

@heatherlee2967

2 жыл бұрын

++++

@viridianacortes9642

4 ай бұрын

They freaking what!?!?!?

Yes! My parents literally say they love me and that I am going to hell for being queer in the same sentence. I can’t tell you how much it means to me to hear someone point that out. Thank you 🙏

Whew - what a wild, regressive time we live in… Sometimes, I feel like - Am I wrong or - is this really crazy?!?! I’ve been discussing this with my best friend since the LAST special and it’s been hard to articulate my thoughts on this… Thank you so much for thinking this out… I can say that I am sad because Dave was my favorite comedian - mainly because I’ve always felt his comedy was extremely (and deceptively) intelligent and intentional. I do believe that he has drummed up this victim persona for his own gain and he is definitely on the wrong side of history…

@alexjon6215

2 жыл бұрын

Ur both. Wrong and crazy.

@elgloriea6789

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexjon6215 Lol! Aight man… You got it

I think he doesn’t understand intersectionality. And I’m being very generous here - I thought his issue was with the white members of the LGBT+ community. A community that also has a race issue. He ended up hurting the marginalized people within the LGBT+ community.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

They choose to be hurt, he said who he had a problem with.. WHITE MEN, and people still choose to be on their feelings

@starcherry6814

2 жыл бұрын

David Chapelle is too smart to be someone who doesn't understand intersectionality. I agree with Kim here, this was done very consciously and calculated.

@andregoree1037

2 жыл бұрын

@@starcherry6814 so what was his end game? What is he doing? Because this hasn’t seem to work for others not sure why he would intentionally attempt career suicide.

@starcherry6814

2 жыл бұрын

​@@andregoree1037 I would argue his career at the moment is far from over.

@badcule

2 жыл бұрын

Intersectionality is bullshit I don't identify as Black or Straight nor cis I identify by my Tribe and clan

So basically Dave figured out how to play the game. Let’s face it, he’s in Hollywood. Most of us are on the outside looking in. We can only pontificate …. But based off my relationships in that industry with actors and alike… Dave’s not far off.

@Blahgirl283

2 жыл бұрын

Could you share more?

@keepingitkianatural

2 жыл бұрын

He figured out how to play the game? Based on this? Huh? He's been playing this game and winning since he was 16.

@Isachanya

2 жыл бұрын

@@keepingitkianatural I don’t disagree with you

@tanettacaleb7767

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with all this!

The camera work? The set? The look? The argument? The lip gloss? The references? ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING!!!

This was the clearest, most thoughtful analysis of this issue I have seen by a mile. Thank you for this.

So many great bits here, especially about Dave bringing up “stonewall gays,” you just have a way of bringing everything together Kim

So I love how that little picture is in there for less than a second. Ma'am I had to pause and play 10 times to catch it! 🤣

@mercedesventura834

2 жыл бұрын

Any idea of who it is?

@joyglass121

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!!! Lol

@brookesmith6998

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure it's Clarence Thomas.

You have always been such a great ally to the LGBT+ community & you worded so well what a lot of us have been trying to say. I used to be a fan of Dave Chapelle & It’s sad what he’s become.

I love your dress so much. 🤩 Also, I didnt chose to be gay. I just watched Titanic at 10yo and crushed on Kate, not Leo. There was nothing I could do about it: the heart wants what the heart wants. 🤷🏾‍♀️ And I KNOW trans people have as little power to "pick" their gender as I have to pick my skin colour and my sexual orientation. We are all just trying to make the most of who we are in a society set against who we are.

I am so confused as to why someone could just decide they were going to do a 60 minute special on something they know so little about. I literally only found out this man existed like 3 years ago and I really wish I hadn’t, so many people talk about the excellence of his comedy and I just don’t see it.

@TNDCBaby

2 жыл бұрын

There are so many better topics! Like why?

@alexjon6215

2 жыл бұрын

We all don’t have the brain cells capable of recognizing a genius. It’s ok sis, you can still make it in life.

love this old documentary-like aesthetic

I am so here for this set up!!!!! You look great and I’m so proud of you! I’ve been waiting on your voice in this conversation 🤎🤎

Miss Kim looking like the Editor-in-Chief 🤩

People forget Dave & Kanye West are besties 😂 she is a Conservative and knows how to shake the table!

Missed these video essays! Thank you! One thing this made me of think of was that it’s not only that Chappelle ignores the existence of Black queer and trans folks, he assumes the homophobia and transphobia of cis het Black folks, and that’s disgusting to label a whole community as hateful.

Loved this conversation! The way you're able to carefully and thoughtfully lay out your thoughts on a topic is much appreciated.

Loving this format and filming style, Kim! Feels like I’m watching talk show and I’m here for it!!!

I've been waiting for this commentary! Also, this new set up is giving me big Contrapoints tease! I love it

Perfect analysis and summarized my thoughts and feelings about the special exactly!

'We Move Forward' - Says it all! This Chapelle perspective was WONDERFUL - Thank You! 🥰🥰🥰

That’s why I just stopped, if someone does this crap literally just stop giving them attention, don’t rage just cut them off 🤦🏾‍♀️

SOOO HAPPY FOR THIS TAKE AND YOUR RETURN!!!

Bout time kim🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣 Damn i been waiting for you to cover this🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣lol

Been waiting to hear your thoughts on this❤️thank you for all that you do!

this video was so lovely! and you're so so talented to do this with little to no editing and stuff. I can't imagine being able to do this.

I adore your work! I watched the Dave Chappelle special and honestly felt so confused because those intersectionality arguments made me feel like perhaps he was an prospective ally to the queer community but i couldn’t reconcile that with how UNCOMFORTABLE i felt when he started off talking about queer women and asian people

@moustik31

2 жыл бұрын

It feels as if he is only here for himself. Rightfully losing his mind about White people using the n-word, while also "fighting" for his "right" to call gay people f*gg*ts. It's awful. Conveniently forgetting how Black LGBTQ+ people are oppressed in and out of the Black community. And he is the one doing the oppression.

Loved this video! You have a talent for explaining social and political issues in a concise and eloquent way. I’m also glad you brought up the hate speech spewed in print publications 1-2 centuries ago. They were printing out people’s faces, names and addresses back then 😒

Thank you for speaking about this! I really appreciate it. I struggle with collecting my own thoughts and hearing you say all this so eloquently was nice

Thank you for this video and I love the new crib/set up decor 🌸

that was my 1st thought when i heard the drama: "Does he not know that ppl can be both trans and Black?"

Dave's a genius all this pushback makes me realize it more

@tanettacaleb7767

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! Him and Kimberle Crenshaw need to have a conversation. I think that would be productive.

Glowing up up up! Love your content as always. Thanks for covering this

THIS was amazing. Thank you for articulating what I couldn't WITH references!! Absolutely sharing this 😊

9:17 ahhhh! Yes you hit the nail on the head! THIS is one of the most frustrating things about … Dave

THank you so much for breaking this down. There was so much that bothered me, not about the words, but about the intent and who it emboldened, that I couldn't put into words. I appreciate you talking about this.

This is such a great video! The background is also stunning 🤩

Okayyyyyy Kim!! This new set up is gorgeous!~

Dave is the black uncle who just doesn’t understand and doesn’t want to.

@Beatrichay

Жыл бұрын

He understands, he just doesn't agree.

I’ve been waiting for you to talk about this. Thank you for synthesizing this mess in such a nuanced, fair, pointed way.

THANK YOU. This was the best video I have seen on the whole spectacle.

This was so good! Thank you for all the hard work!

I LOVE THIS SET UP girl!!!! I’m glad you’ve graduated from the floor! 😂

There is a “lack of intersectionality” in LGBTQ culture. In simple terms, there are some LGBTQ people who will fight for LGBTQ-specific rights - e.g., same-sex marriage - but then fall short when it comes to other issues that affect LGBTQ people, like racism or sexism or economic inequality. And there have been many times when the LGBTQ community at large has failed its poor and non-white members, and that many LGBTQ people, particularly white gay men, have failed to recognize or ignored those failings. The LGBTQ community has frequently shown that despite being discriminated against for being gay or queer, its members are fully capable of discriminating

Thank you so much for covering this

This video left me feeling hopeful, that even though people exist that incite violence, there are people apso taking the time to educate and set the record straight for folks like me. Thanks Kim🤎

@mcsaism

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I was waiting for you take on this! I look forward to finishing this video.

I rarely agree with every single point raised in a video by anyone. But this? I gave you a standing ovation in my kitchen.

I appreciate what you do Harriet ♥️

"...it does concern me when I don't see people critically dissecting that playbook..." is why I watch you.

Wow Kimberly you are truly HEAVEN SENT 😇🙏🏽 . . . Thank you much for that much needed UPLIFTING commentary on this subject !!

Loved the conversation, relativity is so important in these types of discourse, and I do agree while Chappelle had some insightful points surrounding intersectionality, the main point he ended up driving home was just... yikes. Looking forward to the next video Kim, keep up the amazing work!

@tanettacaleb7767

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! I would love to like hear what Kimberle Crenshaw’s take on this conversation since she coined the term intersectionality. I also think it would be constructive for Crenshaw and Chappelle to have a conversation-I would love to see it.

This was very well done. You did your research and hit the nail on the head. I wish all Americans were as smart as you!

Omgggg i haven't watched your vids in a whiiiile and the new set up looks so good congrats

I'm three minutes in and I feel so relieved and seen by how you are framing your take I could cry.