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it’s interesting to see how far the velaryons fell from power in around 100-200 years

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

They're only mentioned about a dozen times in the main series

@roningarcia5771

Жыл бұрын

They basically took the history of Spain/Portugal on how my ancestors utilized maritime technology to become the richest monarchies in the world and then fell once they expanded beyond their means

@abadyr_

Жыл бұрын

Well, Corlys was exceptional. Maybe, it's more interesting how high he got his house to rise. Or maybe it's most interesting how little D&D cared about minor characters and world building.

@st.michaelofcigarillo2845

Жыл бұрын

So they got turned into albinos?

@Harry.your.awizard

Жыл бұрын

They reached to far and got too close to the crown. They should have known better than to play with fire and they should have understood that the madness of the Targaryen incest.

Let's not forget that the mothers of both Aegon I and Jaehaerys I were both Velaryons, something which is fundamentally critical when understanding the relationship between the Velaryons and Targaryens.

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Good point

@kaustralishamal2054

Жыл бұрын

also the mother of Daeron I and Balor the saint

@lucaschapel7197

Жыл бұрын

@@kaustralishamal2054 - That's correct, their mother was a direct descendant of Vaemond, who had his head sliced off in the TV show.

@sanitizerwilson1599

Жыл бұрын

@@lucaschapel7197 In the books Vaemond was the Nephew not the Brother of Corlys in the show version

@sanitizerwilson1599

10 ай бұрын

Just like I says there probably White Velaryons in the past and present.

Supporting the only true king Stannis the mannis Baratheon

@crusader2112

Жыл бұрын

Bend the knee or I'll destroy you.

@imapotato8010

Жыл бұрын

Nah. The true ruler of the 7 Kingdoms is Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains.

@vulcanflash4228

Жыл бұрын

@@imapotato8010 yeah no

@imapotato8010

Жыл бұрын

@@vulcanflash4228 Yes. She’s the true heir in the books and show (season 7 and 8 doesn’t exist).

@vulcanflash4228

Жыл бұрын

@@imapotato8010 yes along with books 6 and 7 which we’ll probably never get. Can’t be heir to a kingdom you don’t rule. Atm the 7 kingdoms are ruled by a false Baratheon (Tommen),so IMO Stannis the Mannis is the one true king.

I was curious about this after HOTD, given they're stated that they're richest family, and barely having mentions in ASOIAF. I suppose it makes sense that if Corlys just got a shit ton of wealth from a handful of voyages, and no one quite followed in his footsteps, eventually that wealth could run out, especially compared to the Lannister's nearly limitless source of wealth in their mines

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

There's a reason the Sea Snake is the most famous Velaryon

@nomadichippie1930

Жыл бұрын

Well it was definitely limited considering by the main series the gold mines had dried up

@BertoPlease

Жыл бұрын

@@nomadichippie1930 I know, hence "nearly limitless." It is worth mentioning it took hundreds or thousands of years for it to run out. But if somehow the Lannisters survive after A Dream of Spring, save to say they likely won't be among the richest anymore

@roronoalaw7772

Жыл бұрын

@@nomadichippie1930 No they haven’t, the Lannisters having no gold left is only on the show. In the books their mines aren’t close to dried up.

@johnlinsky19

Жыл бұрын

why are they black? lmfao doesn't make sense

What’s even more confusing is Rhaena had the last dragon named Morning. She in the books took the dragon everywhere and the common folk actually loved her and they very much so took to her because of her dragon morning. However Rhaenerya and Daemons son Aegon the 3rd hated dragons and he is the SOLE reason the dragons died off. He told Rhaena to leave court because he hated dragons. But the books NEVER say what became of Rhaena and Morning

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

We'll probably find out in Fire and Blood 2. Maybe I should make a video about it? 🤔

@xtronsm8597

Жыл бұрын

@@fantasyhaven1 Please do😂

@matthewhart9610

Жыл бұрын

We know Morning died before Aegon III did, so at most she lived only 20 years. Rhaena married a hightower and had half a dozen daughters, we don't know when exactly she died but she never hatched another dragon.

@reinsaxony4623

Жыл бұрын

How is this relevant to House Velaryon, though? Rhaena was Targaryen.

@adrianshantz5740

Жыл бұрын

@@reinsaxony4623 her mother was Laena Velaryon so she was Velayron too

Dam man imagine having a relatively small sub count yet having the editing and video quality of a creator with 10 times the size. Keep up the good work man

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I appreciate it

You might say this family has a habit of backing the wrong seahorse :D

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Eyyy

I love your fake sponsors never stop doing them. Even when you get real ones.

It’s quite clear that backing Rhenayra was a gamble that didn’t pay off. Leading to the complete demise of the Velayrons upper status. High tide being sacked and burned wasn’t helpful either. It’s a classic example of how Corlys had it all the status wealth and influence. But he failed to be content. Instead he did everything in his power to get blood on the throne. Even when it wasn’t in House Velyarons interest to do so.

@Mcherri

6 ай бұрын

I mean he didn’t have much of a choice either they were placed in a hard spot yes they could’ve sat out and done nothing but then aegon and the greens would’ve still come for them or wanted them in their side especially their granddaughters because they have daemons blood so half Targaryen and not to mention the marriage pack between Jace,luc, rhaena and baela. Also rhaenys was a Targaryen princess as well. That hard spot was mostly due to how close they were with viserys and the marriage between laenor and rhaenyera. The deleted scene with rhaenys and baela proved that they still would come after them baela knew this or was it rhaena I can’t remember but those girls were smart enough to know what was going to happen.

I’m glad i found your channel before you hit a million! Remember the little ones before you get big, annnnd…thank you for an amazing form of animation/storytelling

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Don't worry, I won't forget the first fans

From possessing an entire fleet to only 4 war galleys they really fell hard

This is one of the best starting channels I’ve ever seen, great editing, good mic, funny. Real good.

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@patrickmonahan5272

Жыл бұрын

@@fantasyhaven1 you’re welcome, keep it up. It’s really nice to see mini bite sized content focused on interesting parts of this world

I was not sure about a corlys spin off, after hotd it's very easy to see why hbo trusted in the actor

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think it would be a great way to showcase the far-flung parts of the world

@Scarlattomachiatto

Жыл бұрын

That or an Oberyn spin-off during the years of his exile.

@dallasallad335

Жыл бұрын

@@Scarlattomachiatto it would be hard tho Pedro pascal is getting up there in age to the point I don’t think makeup can hide that fact well enough. Not trying to insult him I just don’t think he could look young enough without a lot of CGI

@Scarlattomachiatto

Жыл бұрын

@@dallasallad335 Tbf, Pedro has aged extremely well since Oberyn days in acting. That aside, slap a little concealer and he's good to go. Hollywood does it all the time, and hell with some shows/movies, they deepfake the faces of dead people or actors who refuse to return. To the franchise/can't. Edit:I only bring up that point because I think that Pablo doesn't need CGI so much as make up to make him appear younger. But also, his age could help, maybe Oberyn took on a much, more rugged and weathered approach to Essos and only cleaned up when allowed back home.

A video on the Muppet Tullys could be cool I think. Loving the vids so far man

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

I swear to god if they don't change Kermit's name I will lose it

Would be interesting if, when Dany makes it to Westeros with her Dragons, she meets the young Lord of the Tides, and he perhaps bonds with say, Viserion. Although Dany may be weary of her child bonding with someone, she would be wise to note that while Aegon did take over Westeros with 3 Dragons, he also had his Sister-Wives as Dragonriders. So, with the young Velaryon bonded with one of her Dragons, the rise of the Valyrian families together will help bolster Dany's own claim to greatness as well.

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting idea... Although Velaryons aren't really dragonriders. Laenor and Laena were exceptions because their mother was a Targaryen. But I can definitely see Aurane helping Dany with his fleet, maybe getting legitimised and given Driftmark as a reward?

@wargattack8837

Жыл бұрын

okay so yeah, that’s probaly not going happen. The last Velaryon dragon-rider was Rhaena and she died literally like 150 years ago. The books heavily imply that only daenerys, faegon and maybe jon posess the power of dragonriding now

@sascham-yb9ds

Жыл бұрын

@@wargattack8837 where does the book say Jon?

@Ouioui555

Жыл бұрын

@@sascham-yb9ds dragon riding if you research into the lore is actually more open than most of the people posting understand.

@ladysasha90

Жыл бұрын

@@Ouioui555 that didn’t answer my question. And even then it’s established in this universe that only those of Valyrian descent are capable of being dragon-riders even though the Velaryons were never dragon-riders.

Glad to see a no spoiler video!

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I make sure to give all my new videos a spoiler status

Bro your videos and narration are amazing

Great video!

lmao your sponsor read is my favorite ever

House Frey for throwing a killer wedding

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

A House Frey video would be fun

your "ads" alone deserve a subscribe :)

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them

incredible content

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

I can't remember if they are mentioned in the books much but it seems like they lost a lot of power probably after the Targaryens were all killed off. Better to keep a low profile if you were related to them and they were your allies with Robert Baratheon as king.

Do the Hightowers next

I understand that the Velaryons are dark skinned Valyrians in the show for a more diverse cast, and this is explained with reference to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valyrian Freehold. But I know of no ethnicity in the World of Ice and Fire that has dark skin and white hair. What ethnicity are they supposed to be? Wouldn't it make more sense if their ancestors were from the Summer Isles, say, and looked like Summer Islanders? It's just weird how they went part of the way to inclusivity then stopped.

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

I assume they're just mixed

@supernus8684

Жыл бұрын

There were no black valyrians to begin with. They are black because of the multi-ethic nature of hollywood, thats all there is to it.

@Aemond2024

Жыл бұрын

​@@fantasyhaven1 so their Valyrian blood is very muddled and Corlys and Laena's supremacist rants in the beginning of the season were nonsense

@annearchy98

Жыл бұрын

Well there is some truth to black people with white or even red hair, check out the melanasians. They make up a very small portion of the African diaspora, but it's still noteworthy

@the98themperoroftheholybri33

Жыл бұрын

​@@annearchy98 they die their hair using the mud from the region they live, it isn't a natural hair colour. Try again

Are you monetised now FH? You deserve it, and more subscribers! Onwards and upwards 🥁

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes I'm finally monetised, I might even set up a Patreon soon with extra content if people are asking for it

0:57 nah bruh, why that arch on her so good tho? Like damn

I just discovered this channel tonight but i am binging the fuck outta all of your videos (liking them all just for you 😉🤣) because 1. Fantasy. Fuck yeah! And 2. Fantasy. With a witty host with perfect comedic timing. FUCK YEAH!

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😉

We wuz targs and sheeeèt

Rhenera, stannis?!... I love these guys

I literally thought of this earlier

Great vid! Can you do house Celtigar next? Not a lot is known about them and I’d be interested to hear any info you have on them :)

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

I've got a few videos in the pipeline atm, the Celtigars would be interesting although we barely know anything about them 👀

All pf Westeros is at war while Aurane is busy trying to find the One Piece

Hmm i wonder. Same storm that Danerys "Stormborn" was born during was the one that destroyed the Velaryon fleet?

I like your ads a lot

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Sure the Valyrian Freehold was multi thnic but only the Valyrianethnicity ha dragonrider blood. and they are pale

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

The Velaryons aren't dragonriders though, they're a minor House from Valyria

@the98themperoroftheholybri33

Жыл бұрын

​@@fantasyhaven1 *with the blood of old Valyria

Blackwashing a whole house for clout🤣

@kye4216

2 ай бұрын

It works better visually since it distinguishes them from the Targaryens. If both were white with blonde hair you would be able to tell them apart.

@bofawhatsbofa4593

2 ай бұрын

@@kye4216 visually yes you can tell them apart, lore wise for book and show, it’s absolutely horrible and contradictory. And was only done so because the showrunners literally said they didn’t want a bunch of white people. As for the not being able to tell them apart, we could. Not like they all look alike in the face.

My suspicion is that other houses such as Redwyne built up fleets and began to import and export from Essos. Without their monopoly on eastern trade, the Velaryons would lose much of their influence and the competition would reduce their wealth.

New thumbnail goes hard ❤

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks fam

Dollar snake club representing!!!

@fantasyhaven1

7 ай бұрын

🐍

they wuz there now they izn't

shieeettt we wuz dragonz n shiet

Cool! I can see why they wrote them out of the show though. Sounds like they're just redundant.

Aurane Waters is Monford Velaryon.

You say no spoilers but one implicit one is their house doesn't get wiped out. I totally thought they would reading F&B

Black Valyrian ?

They couldn't even tell stannis he had a sick light-up table. i think thats treaeson

Great video, but Stannis and Renly never received the title of "Prince".

@fantasyhaven1

10 ай бұрын

Good catch, I must have remembered wrong

They used to be called Valyrian but an African-Valyrian ancestor misspelled it, thus they are called Velaryon.

@robbypodobinski824

9 ай бұрын

Lol

George came up with the Velaryon’s after he wrote SoS

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Lord Monford Velaryon is actually first mentioned in ACoK, although his first name isn't stated until ASoS (he's just called "Lord Velaryon" in Davos' POV)

@jeffk3746

Жыл бұрын

@@fantasyhaven1 the backstory of the family I meant

they were not black

They blekkk lol

Sheeeit we was velaryons and sheeit

I'd really like a What The Fuck Is That.

So strong they had to be wakandians

@kye4216

2 ай бұрын

It was a good change

@Wolcik3000

2 ай бұрын

@@kye4216 i dont know - still have not watched it and only read some of the prequal books

I say talk about the Lannisters next, but I'm a Tywin stan, so make of that what you will.

@crusader2112

Жыл бұрын

Tywin’s cool, so is Stannis. 👍

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

"Tywin Lannister: Books Vs Show" would be fun

I want to buy shares in dollar snake club.

They should make a 3th Valyrian household

First to take the Black 🖤

Hmm something doesn’t add up 😂

i wonder more where are they in house of the dragons

The evolutionary timescale must be expedited in the world of ASOIAF.

@LordJordanXVII

Жыл бұрын

If the thumbnail depicts ancestors/descendants, that is.

Jus imagine if rhaegar became king

"In House of the Dragon, the Velaryons are dark-skinned, owing to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valyrian Freehold" Is that really what they went with?

I think Aurane might end up wedding Asha Greyjoy, joining her longship fleet to his dromond fleet and leaving for Daenerys with Marwen the mage

In the main story, Daenerys knows about her family’s history. So she must know about the Velaryons. Has she tried to contact them?

I dont think the Mutli ethnic state of the Valyrian freehold is enough to justify making them Velaryons black. Sure it could come in but stay for that long? not to mention in the show it doesnt seem to go away. In the show Laena and Laenor are mixed and then Laena and Daemon has children but those kids look even more black than Laena when it should be the complete opposite. The Valyrians is an Ethnic group whos culture and language spread all over essos but that doesnt mean that people who dont look like them apart from their silver blond hair are valyrians. This comment is longer than it needs to be because when it comes down to it the choice was for diversity reasons. I was worried like many others but i think the Velaryon cast did their roles justice.

@tangysweat97

8 ай бұрын

Indians or middle easterns may have been a better choice or eurasians or hispanics.

@jackpackage4278

6 ай бұрын

When I first heard about this before the show released I was annoyed too but after seeing the show I think it’s done well. Especially Corlys, that actor is awesome in the show. But generally I am strongly against race swapping of established characters.

@DS-ej7zt

2 күн бұрын

I see their being black from a costume design perspective: imagine 300 pale, platinum blonde people in an already complex narrative... It'd be too hard to keep track of characters

@svampen7782

2 күн бұрын

@@DS-ej7zt No. Just imagine 300 Characters. While im not as against the casting choice as when i first heard about it i still think that it was totally unecessary to make them black.

@DS-ej7zt

2 күн бұрын

@@svampen7782 what?

How about every house own and then become extinct in harrenhall

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good video idea

I don't think hbo made them dark skin because of the ethnicities within the freehold.

@CharleyGurl

Жыл бұрын

Except for conquered and enslaved peoples, the Valyrians were white.

@homerc9101

Жыл бұрын

This is so stupid, those "ethnicities" were slaves. The Valyrians were racist supremacists that believed everyone who wasnt a valyrian was inferior. HBO made them black so they could have black people riding dragons, it was 100% political and makes no sense from a lore and worldbuilding PoV, is over, is fine, you can say that diversity and job opportunities are more important than lore, and that is a fair argument, but pretending it makes sense is a bad and dumb cope. The targs were already half valyrian, aegon and his sisters had a velaryon mother. Valyrian is an ethnicity, and in the world of ice and fire they are their own RACE, not only a nationality ot a citizenship, but a RACE different from what we would call "caucasoids", Valyrians were supremacists that practiced eugenics and experimented on themselves.

@sanitizerwilson1599

Жыл бұрын

One or Two members of the family (Velaryons) marry into the Summer Islanders probably a female to get the Bow Ships!!!

@CharleyGurl

Жыл бұрын

@@sanitizerwilson1599 Not in the books.

@sanitizerwilson1599

Жыл бұрын

@@CharleyGurl Lies!!!!!!

Imagine if the Seahorse never join the war, they would be richer be so rich with the largest Fleet

Poor that’s where. Guess I can watch the other 6:20 of the video

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Poor and stanning the Mannis

The house od the dragons should follow the book you know how the role is play

They were not black people in the books i guarantee.

@kye4216

2 ай бұрын

It’s better for them to be black in the show

@CYCLOPS1994

2 ай бұрын

​@@kye4216But it would be infinitely better if they were white

why are they black and not native american instead?

@kye4216

2 ай бұрын

Why would they be Native American ?

@edinpandzic5838

2 ай бұрын

@@kye4216 why would they be black?

In the show corlys days greatest power in realm. Driftmark is tiny. Hightowers and Lannisters have more cash by far. Corlys has no army

@janellejulianajoy

3 ай бұрын

Where did you get that? Corlys Velaryon is the richest man in Westeros. This is in F&B, and it's due to Corlys trading ventures.

@user-cc1id4kd5h

23 күн бұрын

@@janellejulianajoyno army

Well actually~ This is a spoiler for HotD! A 200-ish year spoiler XD

Stannis true king

the veylarons are normally white they were only made black because most movies and shows these days are held on some diversity quota, luckily the chosen actors where fairly good which makes up for the discrepancy from the books.

@-_-ligma

9 ай бұрын

no one cares lil bro

@s0ns0fvenus88

6 ай бұрын

I think the choice of black characters make them more appealing

@Iceican

6 ай бұрын

@@s0ns0fvenus88 they aren't supposed to be appealing they are vaylarians.

@trpimirkarlovic838

5 ай бұрын

​@@s0ns0fvenus88 how

@janellejulianajoy

3 ай бұрын

​@@s0ns0fvenus88No, it's just easier to tell that Rhaenyra is lying.

They have to be somewhere n Westeros. The Velaryons slay too much for Dany to be the end. 🚶🏾

Okay well this gives me hope that some of Rhyneras children live to continue the velaryon line (even though they are of house strong illegitimatly)

@rommelcandiani6358

Жыл бұрын

Nah, they all die

@jamiswamp

10 ай бұрын

Oh, you sweet summer child…

@LordofStormsEnd

10 ай бұрын

@@rommelcandiani6358 well damn

@rommelcandiani6358

10 ай бұрын

@@LordofStormsEnd syrax killef joffrey

Hotd writers race swapping Velaryons because of the diversity quotas be like:

There's no such thing as a black Valyrian.

@emilybarclay8831

10 ай бұрын

If the man who wrote the books says there is, then there is, because these aren’t real people. They’re fictional characters and whatever the author says about them is canon

@gooby214

10 ай бұрын

@@emilybarclay8831 The Valyrians aren't black in the novels. George R. R. Martin is the one who wrote them. He's not responsible for changes made by the television series. Mixed race Valyrians can exist obviously, but Valyrians were never actually black, and that's a fact. And that includes the Velaryons, who are white in the books. Either you're a showonly, or you don't know what you're talking about.

@-_-ligma

8 ай бұрын

@@gooby214nerd

@trpimirkarlovic838

5 ай бұрын

​@@emilybarclay8831 lol no

@emilybarclay8831

5 ай бұрын

@@trpimirkarlovic838 he can do what he wants with his fictional story. Cry about it.

How is dany heir over stannis? Her family lost

The usurper A lie take it out

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

"Hundreds will die" "Thousands."

*"In house of the Dragon the Velaryons are dark skinned owing to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valerian freehold."* LoL No, captain cope alot, there was no "multi ethnic nature" in Valeria besides slave and foreigners. This is clear by the original story pointing out constantly what *Valerian* ( not even just -Targaryen- ) features in _Essos_ and _Westros_ look like. Those features are even said to be more valuable because of association with the former hierarchy astblisted by the Dragon Lords who ruled most of the know world. So what they "own their dark skin color" to are producers who injected what they call diversity (aka virtue signaling) into the story dispite the genetic and story logic previous established many times over. You'd have to be overdosing on cope to begin an attempt at making sense of just a single family being dark skinned on a continent of pale skinned people even after living there for centuries by the time of The Dance of Dragons. Not that that last part matters because they wouldn't have had darker skin to begin with.

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Dude, it's a lore video. I'm not "coping", I'm describing and contrasting the lore of a fictional House in two mediums. Does it make sense that there's a black family living on a white continent for thousands of years and keeping the same skin colour? Not really. Is it relevant to this video? No, because this isn't a meta production analysis of House of the Dragon, it's just a fun lore video. Thanks for commenting though 👍

@TrollinFromFlask

Жыл бұрын

@@fantasyhaven1 Fair enough, I just get triggered about this kind of thing, it was very aggravating to have to endure people defending this kind of writing/story changes that are completely separate from the creative process by using dumb vague excuses they thought up or the HBO writers vaguely mentioned. So I still think what you said was incorrect and should be called out because they aren't black for any reason other than some writers wanted them to be until they confirm officially in the story otherwise, because any explanation they give would simply raise more questions as it would undermine more than what we can already logically understand doesn't make sense, it's contradicted multiple times directly by the source material, they need more than the one sentence explanation.

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough

@sanitizerwilson1599

Жыл бұрын

It is simple people One or Two members of Velaryons marry in the family that owner Bow Ships which belong to the Summer Islanders people!!!!!!

@sanitizerwilson1599

Жыл бұрын

I am going type two words Bellegere Otherys

They got whitewashed into the Walker who takes babies from Kraster

Dead just like the Targaryans.

Jesus Christ that hair looks horrible on them 😂😂😂

One true king stannis 👀👀….mannis supporter🧐🧐

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

The Mannis is a mixed bag tbh

@ithrean_397

Жыл бұрын

@@fantasyhaven1 the law of Westeros make it clear to me🤴

I'm confused, i read the books but havent watched this show and since when are the Velaryons black ? They are suposed to be the same ethinicity as the Targaryons or this is like a diversity grab like The Witcher ?

@whitediamond133

Жыл бұрын

Corlys doesn't have a physical description and his mother's identity is unknown. There are also several Targarens who don't have Targ features.

@andresmadrid9260

Жыл бұрын

@@whitediamond133 Its not just Corlys its literaly everyone of them... The Targaryens that dont have the valyrian traits are especionaly rare like Baelon, Jon Snow, Aegor Rivers they are the exception not the rule. The valyrians are described as fair skin almost albino like traits with straight platinum/silver blond hair and violet eyes, this includes the Targaryans, Celtigars and Velaryons. In the books the Velaryons that exist in the events of GOT are described like this. Sadly this was just a mere diversity grab.

@CharleyGurl

Жыл бұрын

They're white in the books, black in the show.

@homerc9101

Жыл бұрын

@@whitediamond133 Corlys has an official portrait that was made following Martin's description, we know how he looked.

@Loki-fl1rk

2 ай бұрын

​@@andresmadrid9260why do you phrase this as a question and lie about not having seen it?

So sad that house valerian is disgrace

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Stannis will bring them back to glory

I don't give a sh*t about woke stuff, but I absolutely love that they decided to go a black route with house velaryon. Really makes it hard to say someone isn't a bastard

@KerrieOhanlon123

9 ай бұрын

My point exactly

@sohummohare6364

9 ай бұрын

Made it easier to say that Rhaenyra's sons were bastards

@i.cs.zamodits

5 ай бұрын

To bad they halfassed it. The mother of Jaehaerys was a Velaryon, all the Targaryens (and Baratheons) in this generation should have been mixed. That's the problem with it not the "woke stuff", they way they done it makes it look like the Velaryons spontaneously turned black after the birth of Jaehaerys, or the Targaryens and Valeryons didn't intermarry before. With a family so inbred you can't handwave this.

You stated corlys tore down Driftmark which is just not true. He built high tide as a separate castle which eventually got sacked. I like your narrative style but Cmon you gotta get your facts right if you read Fire and Blood youd have known that mate

@fantasyhaven1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know. We all slip up every now and then

They were present but not "black"

But in Fire & Blood one of the Targaryen kings (I think jaeharyes Targaryen) says his daughter can sit in the black cells with her black friends-referring to the Valaryons who befriended Sara Targaryen (I think)-the rebellious daughter that ended up whoring & ruling in one of the free cities.

Besides the fact that in the books the Velaryons are as pale as the Targaryens, it makes no sense for the Velaryons to be black in the show when you know that King Viserys I, Queen Aemma and Princess Rhaenys shared the same great grandmother, Alyssa Velaryon, yet the actors who played them were as white as all the other Targs.

@emilybarclay8831

10 ай бұрын

Did it not occur to you that Corlys’s mother may have been a summer islander? The show doesn’t say the Velaryons have always been dark skinned. Just the recent generations

@nelsonmcduff5218

10 ай бұрын

@@emilybarclay8831 Is this a joke?

@homerc9101

10 ай бұрын

@@emilybarclay8831 but she wasn't, and mixing with foreigners would only devalue their position, their closeness to the targs comes from their generic stock,

@emilybarclay8831

10 ай бұрын

@@homerc9101 where does it say she isn’t? Also, they’re literally a shipping and trading dynasty and one of Corlys’s first voyages was literally to the summer isles as a child. Clearly the Valyrians mix with other races since brown Ben plum is a descendant of that family. Aegon VI also had a summer island lover. The Velaryons had already married several outsiders by this point so by your logic their ‘stock’ was already devalued. By the time of Corlys’s birth the Velaryons hadn’t married into the Targ dynasty for generations, the last one being Corlys’s great aunt Alyssa, and there were enough legitimate Targ males for every female to marry a brother or cousin so why would they be focused on that when they could focus on trade relations since trade relations are what made Corlys so rich?

@berserk9085

10 ай бұрын

​@@emilybarclay8831And why Corlys and his Brother didnt look Bi Racial? They are half Black after all according your Theory. And why the Series didnt explain that his Mother is from the Summer Islands? Dont lie to yourself.

Well if u go by the show it seems during that 170 year period they purged all black people from Westeros.

Even if you HAVE to make the velaryons “Black”…..the lightening of the features of the Valurians due to the blood magic (hair so blonde it’s silver, eyes so blue their purple, and pale skin)…there are “black” people with very light skin who aren’t mulattos that they could’ve cast in this show to make it look more believable….just sayin’

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