checked my sharkscope, im currently ranked number 1 in my country & global rank 10 for a low stakes satty tournament , i have a 'high win rate', so im gona continue with satties for now

I remember one year at the WSOP I saw Carlos "The Matador" Mortensen playing the satellite to the main event. I remember thinking to myself, why would this man need to play a satellite? Can't he just afford the $10K buy-in? Anyway, I watched him for a little bit and as they approached the bubble he just started playing almost every single hand and winning most of them. It now makes sense, if he wins, he gets a cheap entry to a tournament he was going to play anyway. And if he loses, even in the bubble, he doesn't care because he was going to play the main anyway! Thanks Jonathan, this makes lots of sense. BTW, he did won a seat. I had to go back to my tourney but I kept an eye on him.

I think one obvious other reason to play a satellite, that I have recently used to register into a party poker satellite. Is, free satellite tickets, if you have no outlay to play you have 0% chance to loose anything, the opportunity to cash and get a seat at the subsiquent tournament is enough to spend your time taking part in the satellite. Also you gain all the benefits that you could get from the experience of playing the satelite

I see SnG MTT Shootout Satellites as a good way to win entries. They're relatively cheap and take a very limited amount of time. Plus they remind me of Sping & Go's which are a fun way to play (crazy variance I know).

Thank you for explaining this in more detail. This is what I've been saying during the streams and getting pushback on from others. Online satellites (esp with overlay) are simply a means to increase my ROI in tournaments I was playing anyway. Its not like a live satellite where I'd be giving up more profitable games to play. Online, its just one more table on the screen.

Great information. I never thought of it this way. It makes a lot of sense, though. However, I am frequently in situations that I feel are good times to play satellites. (Regardless, it's probably worth it for the experience for me, but please let me know what you think from an ROI/$ perspective.) 1. The poker room I play at sometimes gives away satellite tickets for high hands. Those have allowed me to compare myself to the players at the next buy in level for just a little time invested. It has let me know if I am ready to take shots, or if I still need more work without losing any of my bankroll. (Ex. Free $350 ticket, won a ticket to the $1500 CPPT Main Event.) But, it could be sold for about half the buy in (see 2). 2. You can buy the ticket from someone who won a ticket at a big discount. For example, if I have a bankroll for 2-2 cash buying in at $100, and a $220 tournament has a satellite that has a $55 buy in (1 in 5 pay) that I can buy a ticket at $20, it seems to be a good investment. Thank you for all the free content! Between you and Alexander Fitzgerald, ya'll almost have me ready to spend the money on a PokerCoaching membership.

Thanks Jonathan. This is only scratching the surface of an interesting topic. What about the scenario when you have travelled to play a live tournament, and there are multi-table satellites before the buyins close for the event? In those scenarios in my opinion the satellites are full of players who do not understand the structure or satellite strategy. In 2019 at the Irish Poker Open (when of course a lot of the recreational players were also full of too much Guinness / whisky) I played just one multi-table satellite for a seat in the main event and played good Survivor strategy to get my seat for 1/10th the buyin. Even today there is very little good information online about optimal Survivor (MTT Satellite) tournament strategy. And many players play suboptimally. I would put the average ROI on a MTT Satellite ticket at 200% for a satellite-savvy player in a typical field. The trouble with the live satellites at the WSOP for the side events (not the Main) is that many of them have too few entrants and don't play very differently from the single table satellites. Would be interested in a much more in-depth analysis, including satellite strategy...

I understand your point of view, but you can use Satellites to build your bankroll , for example your bankroll is $1000,00 you can play 50 Satellites tournaments $20,00 buy-in for $630.00 tickets so let's say you got a 9 tickets out of the 50 Satellites you played now you can easily mine cash 2 out of the 9 $630 tournament you played, and have your bankroll a boost of 80% ($1,800.00) and same time you had 2 shots to get real money compared with your bankroll. Another way to build a proper bankroll for the desired tournament would be for example; play the Satellites in this case $20.00 until you get 100 tickets usually they have a year of expiration date than you will be properer bankroll with 100 buy-ins of $630,00. lets do the math : 9 tickets cost you $1000 100 tickets cost you close to $12,000.00 so with 12k you would build a health bankroll 100 buy-in for $630,00 tournament . now let say you are a average GOOD player can mine cash in 20 % of those 100 tournaments 20 X 1.5 X $600.00 = $18.000,00 nice profitable result. Now lets be optimist and say you are a VERY GOOD player and got yourself couple 3rd place, couple 2nd place and 1 first place your result would be around to $63k the required bankroll for the tournament Am I a Lunatic ?

@meditationalmusicgroup

9 ай бұрын

Also to get 0 tickets from 50 satellites is very possible

Whats the line between "a little bit out of the bankroll" and "absurdly out of the bankroll" - But yes you need to tourney select when you get a ticket for sure. EDit: I like the satellites when I see good value/good overlay/need something to play but don't wanna start a Longer tourney

Hi J.L. I saw you on the ultimate bet video yesterday. Very interesting.

Great stuff. Jonathan always tells it how it is not how some people want it to be! Brilliant stuff. Ty.

Satellites in the mixed tourneys at the WSOP are usually very very weak. I always play them.

These are so smart and easy to follow. Thanks

@PokerCoaching

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! I do my best.

party have ridiculous overlays, Seen a microstates satty today that had a 55% overlay lol

When you say that a good player is 1/8 in cashing satellites but an average player is 1/8 for cashing the main event, is that because a main event type of tournament will have a significantly higher percentage of recreational players compared to a satellite? It seems to me that a satellite might be slightly easier to cash than a main event if the player knows how to finish a satellite. For example, a very good +EV jam near the bubble of a satellite can often be a fold, whereas risking your stack is the correct play near the bubble of a normal MTT.

@hencole

10 ай бұрын

Its because 1 in 10 win a seat in the sat. Main event pays 1 in 8.

Nice insight

This voice reminds me so much of Ben Shapiro🤣

I dont agree. If you play a $100 tournament and min cash for $200 you earn 2X the money. BUt if you play a satellite and for $10 and win an entry - often equals to mincash - and manage to min-cash you earn 20X the buy in. If you try to earn 20X in the $10 tournament you have to reach final table for the same amount

@PokerCoaching

Жыл бұрын

...and then you have to play an event 20x the size of your usual buy-in, which presumably you are not bankrolled for and are not adequately skilled for.

Do all sattelites tend to be short stacked turbo formats?

@PokerCoaching

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the time.

What about when the Satellites dont fill up and you can late reg last second, still with 50bb and 30% of the GTD basically going free?

@alex_dobbins

3 жыл бұрын

I should have finished the video before commenting hahaha

@virtuoso1064

2 жыл бұрын

I always do that 👍👍👍

Last week I registered to a $5.5 Partypoker Micro Big Game phase 1 tournament... I failed to read the tournament name properly and ended up making it to phase 2 with half a starting stack of what a phase 2 registration normally is. I ended up coming top 1% at 15th out of 1490ish and cashing for $500. However I prefer not to play satellites lol

sattelites for life

Funny that’s my goal but hearing someone better than me say always sound funny. #GetrichslowlybutSurely My goal is to be able fund a Disney vacation!

@PokerCoaching

4 жыл бұрын

I am glad you have your goal clearly defined.

I’m new and definitely not trying to correct but I’ve built my staging bankroll from 70 to about 900 in a month and most has come from satalites. I don’t have the volume to know my winrate but I feel like the competition in satalites is really weak and then, I know you normally don’t want to min cash but in a tournament you got into for 1/10 the buy in min cashing becomes more valuable, and it’s been really easy to min cash in tournaments when that’s my stated goal at the start

@user-jq9yx9he5g

4 ай бұрын

Also almost had a chance to play pretty much a sit and go to get in the 10k main event. I won a super satellite to get into a 215 buy in satellite to the main event. Only 7 people registered and it needed 8 to run. I was still happy taking the 215 win tho

Jonathan, you need to check your math. Yes, I have a 1:64 chance to cash BOTH, but a 1:4 chance to cash at least ONE. And, as we all know from Heads/Tails probability, my results in the satellite do not effect my chances in the main (mathematically). But practically, playing more makes me a better player.

@PokerCoaching

4 жыл бұрын

You don't get to play both, you only get to play the 2nd event if you win the satellite. When you win the satellite, you parlay your winnings (so your 1/8 chance cannot be cashed out). This results in roughly a 1/64 chance at cashing.

@marksimpson2321

4 жыл бұрын

Playing and studying will make you better but why not play more smaller tourneys without the satellites entries?

@TheMarceloSilva

4 жыл бұрын

@@marksimpson2321 It depends why you play , in my case I'm tired to be poor I want to play for Life Change Money, that is not possible without Satellites, and I think ("my opinion" ) Satellites players are better at Final table scenarios