Older dude here. I had the advantage of dating when the roles were more defined. Not saying the role expectations were right it was just easier. Modern feminism convinced women they needed to break out of their roles. Then modern women found their relationships with men became less fulfilling and demanded that men change. Now it seems they're not happy with the way men are changing.

@kittybitts567

Жыл бұрын

it was healthier when you were young. men and women are different. at least you all knew that.

@margaretcampbell2681

Жыл бұрын

I think women needed to break out of roles like feeling that the only occupations they could pursue were teaching, nursing and being a secretary

@IsaacMorgan98

Жыл бұрын

It makes sense that they don't like the way we're changing. They're treating us poorly and in response we aren't liking them. Now they're not liked and what self respecting human would want to be disliked. It's a vuscious cycle of attack and retaliation. I think a good start would be to stop accusing random guys who have done nothing wrong of sexual assault and paedophilia, that would be nice. I actually had to fill out a survey before entering university that was written to test if I was someone who would sexually assault another. That is the default attitude towards my me and my peers and it doesn't leave a sweet taste in your mouth.

@billytheripper4

Жыл бұрын

@@margaretcampbell2681 I don't think patronising women is the answer, are they really that low iq that they feel they have to do those jobs? It was different when certain jobs were literally off limits to women, like doctors, but that was a very, very long time ago. If a woman starting work any time after 1985 felt like she had to do a certain job, she is faulty in the brain. Most likely women chose those jobs for the same reason they still do, it suits their temperament

@kap849

Жыл бұрын

@@margaretcampbell2681 but not necessarily roles in your home. Anyone can work at any job but men can't care for kids the way women do and vice versa. I think the mess came when women wanted to be men in the home.

Thought I was the only one thinking lingerie ads exposed to children walking in a mall was absolutely wrong

@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391

Жыл бұрын

What about female pop stars doing simulate sex moves on stage in front of children? Children who will copy their idols

@YouYou-sm8tf

Жыл бұрын

​@@Kelly-pp1etSame....

I really hope us as a generation of young people can hard turn this situation around , I'm 19 currently and feel opposed to how things are nowadays and want to go back to good qualities found in past generations we are losing now and even bring things from the past back for our future benefit.

@craigwillms61

Жыл бұрын

I'm on the other end 60+ now, but I am so jazzed there are young people like you who seem to get it.

@JWForce1059

Жыл бұрын

Stay the course, man. Be good and do good for its own sake, and the fulfilling life will come to meet you

@marvinidler2289

Жыл бұрын

You can't change the situation or the world. What you can take care of is your own life, that's what counts. I have 3 sons around 20, they are doing well, including dating girls they meet in the real world, not online.

@OTee1998

Жыл бұрын

Keep focusing on yourself, little brother and keep on the path! You aren’t alone. Those of us who realize these things and become successful at being masculine and progressive individuals will inspire those around us. Therefore webbing outward, spreading the good. It’s wonderful that you’re realizing these things at such a young age. Stay hard.

@JJHurst

Жыл бұрын

Stay offline in terms of dating and you'll be golden..👌🏻

One thing that I think would help is to let young men know that it's all right to not know how to approach and attract women, and that it's something that can be learned. I am in my 50s, but at 18 I was immobilized at the expectation that I was supposed to know exactly what I was doing. . . I had to know instinctively whether a girl was interested or just being polite, I had to approach her, I had to ask her to get together, I had to find something to do, I had to instinctively judge whether to initiate any affection, I had to appear calm and confident through all this, and I was just a creepy jerk if I miscalculated any of these steps.

@cherylbisera5039

Жыл бұрын

Wow that’s really eye opening to consider what young men feel and go through with that information

@gmansard641

Жыл бұрын

@@cherylbisera5039 Yes, and it's almost never acknowledged. Guys rarely talk about it, and women give mixed messages. "Why can't men show their emotions and admit their fears," many say, then they'll reject a guy because he's nervous approaching her. I had an awful time with dating back then --- now 40 years ago. And men are still expected to know what they're doing! Just a few years ago I saw a video where a guy admitted to his frustrations, and a psychologist said "if women won't date you that should tell you something." Oh that's SOOOO helpful. You'd might as well tell him that "the problem is obvious and you should have figured it out by now." Young men need to be able to work on this, and above all, simply get some acknowledgement that it's important. In my 20s I went to counselors to find some way to deal with this, and achieved nothing. The most common response was "why are you so concerned about it?" A normal, natural, frequently intense desire, but I shouldn't be concerned about it, I should instinctively know exactly what to do, and if I encounter any difficulties "It should tell me something" so there's no need to get help. It is sad to see that young men have it even harder today, with all the isolation brought on by the so-called "social" media.

@CptEddyPrice

Жыл бұрын

@@gmansard641 soon we will have androids. Sexual revolution 2.0

@wonderlife62

Жыл бұрын

You mean men don’t just want possessions or objects of pleasure? Please help women understand because some have the impression that they are here to serve as check marks for a man’s personal success and status amongst other men

@gmansard641

Жыл бұрын

@@wonderlife62 Warren Farrell wrote about these things, men and women can each be guilty. Men sometimes want a trophy sex object, while some women seek to benefit from a man's lifetime of labour and make him their "success object."

There was a time when motherhood was considered sacred, when men understood that women were meant to be protected and provided for, when men stood up when a lady entered a room. When I was a kid the feminists in the public school told us girls that birth control, promiscuity, and abortion had somehow given us parity to men, that we were 'free' having access to these things. No one explained to us that promiscuity is a prison and abortion is a death sentence.

@Evelyn-jx8vo

Жыл бұрын

Exactly WHEN has motherhood been sacred???? And WHEN have men stood up with when a lady entered a room. Are you 200 years old or something? I don’t think this was ever a reality. Women where never cherished enough ever to be worthy of a stand in ovation just by walking into a room. Get real

@iherduluvlawngdich

Жыл бұрын

I don't think promiscuity would be a prison in the same way that occasional drinking is not a prison. Pearl clutching and tut tutting might be a bit excessive. Seems these days everyone has to take an extreme position and often without nuance or sophistication or roundedne unfortunately. And also I don't think we should have to stand necessarily when anyone enters a room , if you want to go ahead if not whatever

@Becoming777

Жыл бұрын

@@iherduluvlawngdich In a sense, promiscuity is a prison. There is the discussion about how promiscuity of a share of women makes other women feel obligated to also be more promiscuous to have a place in the sexual market, since "easier" women are more preferible to men. That's a huge problem, because men that look for "easier" women don't want to have a relationship with them, just casual. This increases distrust between the sexes, which also makes women see casual relationship as the only viable option, increasing promiscuity and disconnection. I've noticed that, to get out of this cicle is perceived by the majority of people in my reality as being completely alone, they don't think they will ever find love, and they rather have shallow relationships than none.

@puma0316

Жыл бұрын

Men have had the freedom to be promiscuous throughout history without much consequence. Women have been in a sexually confining prison, seeing the freedom of men. Men's sexual freedom was seen as better. Most things of men are seen as better, those of women as less. When women say, "I'm JUST a stay at home mom.* That's not humility. It's seen as less valued, easier work than what men do. Motherhood may have been sacred, but the woman behind that motherhood was not always seen as such.

@Stafus

Жыл бұрын

how hypocritical of a women to say too much porn leads to not being able to be stimulated by real sex, when women use VIBRATORS ! I can't think of anything more damaging to normal sex than a goddamn MACHINE VIBRATING 50X PER SECOND

Porn and casual sex go hand in hand. Whether you like it or not, sex has consequences of many kinds. Emotional and physical. Porn seeks to erase these consequences for the use of a human being for short term gratification. JBP is right- you are training to be a psychopath by engaging in that thinking. What needs to be said is that the brain can be reworked and impotency can be addressed. You need to address past trauma so it doesn’t continue to hurt you and others in your life. Then start creating pathways toward the kind of relationship you actually want. Another great point that was made, real women are being disenfranchised by the “young and beautiful” monsters of the internet. It is quite literally the opposite of female empowerment because it imprisons our men and leaves the real women without decent prospects who have their sh*t together and don’t engage with this stuff.

Brings me back to that poignant scene in BladeRunnner 2049, where Kay is facing this humongous virtual representation of Joi, this time breaking all the perception we have beforehand of them establishing an intimate relationship; making it clear that she's just an AI that's programmed to give romantic services. Such a stark reflection of what's happening in our culture right now.

@tommckellen4289

Жыл бұрын

The problem with Western culture is that it is full of people who are unconsciously following the Judeo Christian quest for 'perfect deontology'. Of course there is a time for this, such as knowing the circumference of your care tyre from measuring the diameter etc etc, but it is not always so. Nothing brings up this old tendancy quite like this topic. Long before that firey, demonic, overly assured deity, Yaweh, took hold of Western society, we were pagans. We were a people who knew about the unconscious mind, who had a magical sensibility and who Jung himself would have felt very close to. Such people (who we were) would have scoffed at our casual sex culture as tame, compared to theirs, AND would have scoffed at out inability to focus and clear one's mind completely of the carnal drive, depending on the context. This might sound like an attempt at edgyness, even at something subversive. It isn't. Yes, those were times when we were at out fuller selves, in some regard, in understanding the nature of reality in it's vast poliarity. Therefore, people who feel the need to say that this or that polarity (of reality, of philosophy, of thought etc) is intrinsically 'correct', reflexively and without second thought, might not be in fullness. They may not be experiencing integration of the self. Of course, when a society drifts so far in one direction, if is only natural that certain voices will appear to counter the tribe. Sex is something which has traditionally been celebrated, depicted and enjoyed as the highest level of expression in every era, and which has also been presented with a backlog of mythology, caveats and forewarnings. Porn, trying that thing you want to try, not being so serious all the time about this topic etc and all the rest of it is not wrong,...at all, per se, if you are mindful and also have the other side of things; the ability for self control and to come into the heart and rational mind. Western society constantly swings back and forth like a pendulum, between piety and impropriety because it is not an honest culture (as with many others). It has duelling forces such as the classical liberals vs the religious dogmatist and now the woke, who demonstrate extreme totalitarian puritanism in so many areas vs conservatives who are now trying to open people's minds to more free way of thinking, speaking and being (a switch of archetypes no less, but it makes sense when you see that the West lost its ancient wisdom) There are many psychologists (such as Jung and William James) who have tried to grasp the numinous, duel nature of the unconscious and of consciousness and our forgotten culture. Of course, there is a positive side to some religions, but it is hard to deny that they also made us very narrow thinking in key ways.

@TheJeremyKentBGross

Жыл бұрын

Similarly in Her, when she reveals that she's having many thousands of similar conversations at the exact same time.

@level9drow856

Жыл бұрын

Nah, she was less expensive and more honest than the real thing.

@Kabacisdead

Жыл бұрын

Blade runner is a fantastic film!

@lotusmccary9365

Жыл бұрын

Harrison Ford actually abused the Sean in the movie

These are just such wonderful discussions and we’re lucky to have access to these high level experts.

The abusive practices displayed in porn is training viewers to think the sexual act is an abusive process of conquest, not an intimate act between two people, engaging both in either love or lust. The men act out what they see and women permit it because that’s what they see. A performance between two actors engaged in essentially mutual mastrubation with each other’s bodies. The human connection, the two sexual energies are engaged in more of a battle, than a synergy. This is reflected both physically and in the use of language such as “destroyed” etc in title choice. The best sex for both partners IMO is one of true human connection, sexual energies merging as one, given as a gift of pleasure to the other in order to bond.

@llIlIlllII

Жыл бұрын

Sad that most men simply don't want to see it like this. They want to control. They feel entitled to it.

@TheJeremyKentBGross

Жыл бұрын

It's statistically not men who consume the violent and degrading genres. Dudes mostly just like young attractive women doing pretty normal stuff, forever and ever.

@GraceHarwood88

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJeremyKentBGross Do you have a source for this claim? Because I genuinely can’t see women choosing this. However, the women performers are arguably the most harmed physically and mentally. Following on from that is the youth who view it and think that’s what sex is, and reproduce it upon unsuspecting partners.

@TheJeremyKentBGross

Жыл бұрын

@@GraceHarwood88 Well leaving aside my personal life observations, which is almost entirely consistent with my statement, the adult content sites have published statistics on user behavior, and that's been covered in a number of places, saying just what I said. I haven't got a link handy, but if I did it would get this reply automatically removed anyway as experience has proven I'm not allowed to post any links under any circumstances, not even to other things here on KZread itself. So you will have to look into it yourself. In any case, it isn't men gobbling up 50 Shades of Grey and the Handmaids Tale, in fiction or adult imagery. While I can't say I've never watched anything violent, the amount of that kind I've seen is on par with the amount I've seen in the gay category (perhaps less), which is saying something considering I'm straight. There's this trope that it's some addiction that has to get increasingly violent dark and degrading, but as far as I can tell this is just fear mongering by self righteous moralizers to demonize the entire industry and it's viewers. I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with viewing or the industry, at all, just that those kinds of views and claims seem really out of touch and/or deliberately demonizing without respect for reality, at least reality for the majority of people as opposed to some fringe minority who struggle with an addictive personality in general. In any case, both public stats from the companies as well as my own life experiences says that it isn't men that prefer those categories, but they are in the top categories viewed by women. Tbh knowing about that has really changed my understanding of both male and female sexuality, even if they mainly consume it in fear rather than excitement. Probably some kinda Beauty and the Beast psychology or something.

@sukka4pain

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJeremyKentBGross I‘m sure porn companies would release statistics that harm their reputation. Makes total sense…

I introduced myself to every single girl i could when i was at the community college and all that i got out of it was being used to help them with there algebra.(i was at least 6/10 in attractivenes at the time) And i also had to deal with a virtue signining person(faculty member at the community college) who asked a girl who i was helping with algebra if she felt threatened(the girl had asked me to help her thankfuly she stood up for me). I had club securuty ask girls if they felt threatened while i was politly telling them what my name was (i was more than an arms length from the girls so that was not an issue) . Imagine having to deal with this and online dating being completly useless, and you can understand why many men hate our socity.

@level9drow856

Жыл бұрын

Sex bots will change the power dynamics and men will not need woman. Woman will then actually have to try and not be so picky. They will have to compete with AI and bring something to the table that the AI cannot. Good luck to them, they've never had to do that before.

@level9drow856

Жыл бұрын

@@r.p.8169 Yea I've heard JPs description of the evolutionary selectiveness of woman. But despite this, I don't care. Just like they don't care now that they have all the power over men. So, they will have to compete against AI, so what? We've had to compete against each other for their attention. Where was the sympathy for us? You could make the argument that we deserved none, etc... but to avoid being a hypocrite you would have to agree that many men would have NO reason whatsoever to consider the feeling of women if physical AI was invented (just as they never considered our) and so would have to compete. My question to you, what could they bring to the table that an AI could not? Certainly isn't fidelity, devotion or sexual honesty. These things are all gone in postmodern western woman. If anything for modern men they are a liability and a pain in the fkin ass. No longer feminine, more man-like, promiscuous (they had their fun in college, now they're settling for you for your money, don't fall for the fake orgasm), men are bank accounts for them after they've had their fun with others. Men of the future can avoid AAALLL that mess and just rely on AI. Woman can be "stunning and brave" and manish and bossy and promiscuous all they want, it won't bother men at that point. The oness will no longer be on us. But, why don't they just get 6'10" Chad robots with 9 inchers? You'd think they would bee happy with this prospect to. Ah, but see? The Chadbot doesn't dispense money and a credit card. That's why they end up leaving the Chad human eventually for the gullible cuck money dispenser. Western woman are gross. Most heterosexual men don't like the postmodern western woman. 50, or even 30 years ago, I could make a case that there was a lot more there too value. But today they're not very decreeable. I'm lucky that I'm older and have been with my miss a long time. But to be honest, pickings were slim for virtuous woman even in my generation (and I'm no hypocrite, I was a virtuous young man, I wasn't promiscuous). But I would go MITGOW is I was a young man again. It's horrible now.

@level9drow856

Жыл бұрын

@@r.p.8169 Also, capitalism working as intended. Who would have the right to deny a free citizen a sex robot? You know who would? Women. they need the adoration and worship of men, even if they hate men. They must deny any freedom or happiness to them. And when they complain about relationships in our postmodern world it is ALWAYS thee man's fault. In the future there will be artificial wombs, we can grow new people as we need to. No more need to hook up for procreation. No more misandrist judging us, bitter woman resenting us, not more unattainable standards to reach in order to impress promiscuous feminists. Sounds like happiness and freedom to me. What is one good reason for them NOT to get sex robots? Why would they do otherwise? Japan's population is declining because dudes got smart and said "My money is mine and I don't want drama in my life." I can't blame them.

@level9drow856

Жыл бұрын

@@maravertin Aye, that seems fair to me. I mean for future of course. I'm already with my miss. Have been for a long timd. But if I was a modern young man...

@SarahMc585

Жыл бұрын

That’s brutal.

Thank God for this man and his wisdom.

@Berserkism

Жыл бұрын

"Boys touching their doodles is bad!" Heard this shit since the Dark Ages, they even cut the skin off boys cocks to "prevent masturbation". Imagine being so obsessed you would prescribe penis mutilation for a baby boy so he wouldn't touch his own doodle....fucking degenerates.

@YuyiLeal

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!🙏

@THX5000

Жыл бұрын

Jordan always blames men and boys when his own daughter is a trifling 304.

@petershim9512

Жыл бұрын

@@THX5000 😂😂😂😂 so true. He needs to clean his own house before telling others what to do

Feminism is great! Thank you for fighting so much that now us mothers have to work as much as men and then have a full time job at home therefore not having a moment to ourselves!!!

@tinisamasoni7534

Жыл бұрын

Not having a moment to oneself spills over !!!!

@kenyanicholas6809

Жыл бұрын

@@tinisamasoni7534 no one is making you work, you have every right to be a homemaker.

@NN-cc8uo

Жыл бұрын

Feminism was a mistake

@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489

Жыл бұрын

if feminism gains by women losing, who's really making the decisions? who's really being freed?

@Gigi-rl2hl

Жыл бұрын

That’s not feminist issue that’s an economic issue. I bet you’ll be grateful for feminist when you need it.

This was one of the better podcasts I’ve seen on this topic

Hold on to your humanity my friends! It's tough, but worth everything I promise ❤ take care!

@stonepaintertim

Жыл бұрын

Ha yeah we try, but you got to admit, things been smelling mighty fishy these recent years!

@buckaroobonzai2909

Жыл бұрын

Psh... No.

@VaronPlateando

5 ай бұрын

you're not in any position to call for, or promise anything, it seems.

@jenniferklopman2557

5 ай бұрын

@@VaronPlateando , not a thing wrong with some effort and optimism. This is coming from someone who hasn't been particularly lucky in love, either lol. But no way will I turn my back on my humanity and mess around with robots or AI.

Dating apps like Tinder have probably lessened the blow of rejection for men since it only displays the matches, but the obvious problem there is that most men who use it will find very little success. And because young people are being conditioned to interact increasingly online, they lose the ability to court in person and fundamental conversational skills.

@margaretcampbell2681

Жыл бұрын

Spot on

@LordOfNihil

Жыл бұрын

so glad most of my 20s happened before "smart" phones were everywhere.

@MegaMerdeux

Жыл бұрын

Tinder is a cesspool

@llIlIlllII

Жыл бұрын

They lose this ability because they don't care to spend effort.

@carlwide6594

Жыл бұрын

Not worth the effort. There's no prize at the end, just a used up, greasy, empty box.

A lot of key points in this full convo. Loved it. Might listen to it again. She’s amazing as well

A lot of women who were emotionally "rejected"/abandoned/ignored by their absent parents are equally prone to anxiety/fear of rejection as men. Even more if they are highly emotional by nature.

@idgsjdjdnsn

Жыл бұрын

But they have nothing to lose by having those emotions. Men lose everything

@idgsjdjdnsn

Жыл бұрын

Women need to face that they're being controlled by whatever is popular and break free from that BS ... so do Men.

@katherinepierce2300

Жыл бұрын

​@@idgsjdjdnsnwhy do you think they have nothing to lose?

@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391

Жыл бұрын

But in that situation the problems are opposite for men and women, men will fear rejection, but women will use casual sex as a substitute for a deeper relationship, trying to you physical intimacy to replace the emotional intimacy that they desire; but using sex as a coping mechanism isn't going to work out in the long run. In this situation, the ease that women can get attention and sex works against them.

@TGP109

Жыл бұрын

@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 Yes, because unfortunately, there are too many men willing to just bust a nut and leave.

Wow. I feel this just a minute in. I can speak from experience that she is absolutely right. And I wasn't like this before COVID.

Not enough words of gratitude for your work

"Incentive before desperation" This applies to so many things in life, especially love and work.

A basic thing I learned. If I wanna break out of a pattern I cannot just break out. I need to create what it is that I want to be and build it and this is how the break out happens. When the butterlfy breaks out of the cocoon its because its ready to fly not the larva just wanting to leave.

Porn is pretty much a substitute for companionship when life doesn't go well. Sometimes it becomes a means to avoid unhealthy relationships, where you are caught between defying stigmatization and filtering out toxicity. When you have been hurt enough to where it is hard to let anyone in, you become use to the detachment and it is a way to take your mind off things.

@margaretcampbell2681

Жыл бұрын

I understand that position however when that situation occurs a person needs to find therapy to help them get out of that place. Consistently watching porn to take your self out of that place is not healthy

@IsaacMorgan98

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's about where I'm at. I've done my rounds with women and it literally nearly killed me (as in hospitalised kinda deal). Since then I've only seen them getting worse so I just have no desire to engage with that. I've done my rehab, I've done my therapy, I've allowed myself plenty of time but when you end up crying in a ball on the kitchen floor hitting your head against the cupboard because of a womans scorn and vitriol, you have a certain unwillingness to try that again. Porn might be a poor substitute for sexual companionship but it's better than what I've seen of the alternative.

@888ssss

Жыл бұрын

the alternative to porn is 10x worse.

@toddjohnson271

Жыл бұрын

P0rn is a substitute for most men being unattractive to women....and no marriage.

@tw1705

Жыл бұрын

To me, p*** is a masturbation aide. I think it can be healthy and okay if it isn't abused. I've gotten off to porn both in and out of relationships. In fact, me and some of my boyfriend's used to watch it together and basically reacted out (yes, we were retards, lol, but good times...) Anyway, there's all types of different genres. Some are pretty degrading to women but not all of them are. Anyway, I really don't understand why so many other women are against it. It's just a matter of finding what you like, and yes, female sensibilities are probably a bit more finicky in this regard. Well, I am non-religious and kind of a visual learner type, so maybe that's why I like it more than most women? I just think there's a huge market void to capitalize on by getting women more interested in p*** But yeah, pornaddiction can go to unhealthy places. It can becomes a problem for others when people to choose fantasy over reality.

Fact of life…. Men face constant rejection. Women face constant validation.

People tend to associate sexual gratification with moral good. They are not explicitly related. This is why monsters and deviants feel justified.

@billytheripper4

Жыл бұрын

If it feels good do it, if you get caught blame someone else - George Bush

@Stafus

Жыл бұрын

how hypocritical of a women to say too much porn leads to not being able to be stimulated by real sex, when women use VIBRATORS ! I can't think of anything more damaging to normal sex than a goddamn MACHINE VIBRATING 50X PER SECOND

@thatwasprettyneat

Жыл бұрын

never heard this one

@tommckellen4289

Жыл бұрын

Why would you listen to a an excessively crusty, stiff as a board, unattractive guy, such as Peterson, regarding the topic of sex though? This is not meant to be demeaning, it's just delusional that a guy who is (unconsciously) trying to find the perfect Judeo Christian deontology, in his head, for everything, will ever have been any more than an impotent, flacid, incel in his youth, early adulthood and now. This is written all over him, hence why he gets emotional about men who feel disempowered in such a way. Certain topics are not meant to be mere cerebral, dusted-off-from-a-library, deontological yearnings. They are meant to be understood at multiple levels of your being. Art, for example, is one of those things, as is music and, of course, sexuality. I personally knew many of these psychology graduates at university and most, in their extreme cerebrality, suffer from some form of depression or neurosis. This is why they need to expand their ontology and heuristic. Not that Peterson doesn't have some excellent, valid things to say in challenging woke, but his comprehension is too limited to the five senses and type one intelligence as a methodology for analysing all things. Nearly all people of high genius, including Carl Jung, said you need to also be able t pool penetrate deeper, into the body, the imagination and the very unconscious, to understand many things at an advanced level.

@tommckellen4289

Жыл бұрын

I should probably add that many people are somewhat deficient in the area of 'type one' intelligence these days, so to see it's functioning within a human is no bad thing. It's merely that it is not all that exists, or even close to being all that exists, when it comes to the field of human consciousness.

I love this woman. She's so on point, beautiful, thoughtful and well spoken. Props to Louise Perry.

@basedmathh

Жыл бұрын

She is a softer form of the same cancer...a total MLM saleswoman! Anyone who's ideology is centered around convincing one group of people they do not need to change or considering their own standards and instead just blame the other group that they are at the same time trying to force cohabitation with is toxic, not 'thoughtful'.

3 things that destroyed women, men, dating and relationships: 1 feminism 2 pornography 3 social media

@level9drow856

Жыл бұрын

Nah, woman have had too much of the power in those dynamics in thee first place. The good thing about AI is it will take that power away from them and free men from the unattainable standards of most woman. I feel it will be good for woman to feel what it's like to be men and not be valued at all and not needed. They need that humility.

@YuyiLeal

Жыл бұрын

Word!

@stonepaintertim

Жыл бұрын

and a bit of moral conscience, Greed and status eclipsed love

@wingsoffreedom3589

Жыл бұрын

Shows you know far less than you think you know those are effects not causes here is the real list. 1 the industrial revolution. 2the birth control pill. 3 female economic advancement.

@wingsoffreedom3589

Жыл бұрын

​@@level9drow856it's will hopefully be a silver bullet to gynocentrism but their will be a cost one I'm willing to pay.

One of the most important conversations ever posted online. Quite literally, our future depends on these trends.

As a biochemical and computer science engineer I can say that we are also not very far away from making artificial wombs.

@NoIdea68

Жыл бұрын

I saw that. Russel brand made a video on it. We are slowly entering hell

@margaretcampbell2681

Жыл бұрын

Well that might be good

@zane62135

Жыл бұрын

@@margaretcampbell2681 No. Imagine Jeff Bezos owning 100k artificial wombs. Or the government growing their little minions.

@margaretcampbell2681

Жыл бұрын

@@zane62135 Good point

@Sam-jm8vi

Жыл бұрын

Life became so sick. really.

This should be part of a human sexuality course in a college/university rather than the trash I experienced in the (required) human sexuality course my wife and I had to go through.

Great short discussion with very powerful points. Have to agree with all of it. I have criticized Peterson in the past for missing a big issue, that being how modern feminism and its fruits have damaged the modern mating/dating paradigm. He scolds young men for not being "better", and that the reason women reject them is the young men's fault because they aren't "good enough". But in a market where 90%of women reject 90% of men, where a 5-out-of-10 woman will reject a 5-out-of-10 man and demand a 9-out-of-10 man and nothing less, such conclusions are obviously wrong. It seems the reasons for such a broken paradigm are like this: modern feminism has created more opportunities for women (a good thing), which have caused women to become more socioeconomically independent and upwardly mobile, which because of the instinctual influence of hypergamy have shrunk the pool of acceptable men ("where are all the good men!?") because women demand men of equal or greater socioeconomic status, and so therefore reject men of equal sexual market value. So in this broken market it doesn't matter how much Men improve themselves unless they are RELATIVELY elite compared to other men. The math doesn't work. Women are HYPER-hypergamous and HYPER-selective. HYPER as in overly so. Unnaturally so. And so modern feminism has been a double edged sword.

@funnybobjr

Жыл бұрын

2 things, if more opportunities for women leads to the complete chaos that is modern relationship culture, is it really a good thing. Some of its good and some bad (sexual promiscuity, higher divorce rates, childless women). Second is that it’s not always other men that a women compares potential partners with, it’s actually herself as well. That’s why you see career women that can’t find partners. They have quite literally priced themselves out of relationships by their success. If she meets a man that is in the top 1% in all categories but still below her in status, she will be disinterested.

@YouYou-sm8tf

Жыл бұрын

Majority of women don’t trust men (even if they are married to them). So to avoid regretting being with him, lots of women trade themselves for the high value man. So even if the relationship go down..... they won’t feel being used as it get them higher status.

@ligafftheindifferent3495

Жыл бұрын

The takeaway here is simple. Women need to evolve beyond hypergamy. They need to rise above this level of behavior even if it is innate. We men are REQUIRED to act in ways that are contrary to our basic natures in many ways, so this is not an unreasonable ask upon women.

@inuhundchien6041

Жыл бұрын

Yes its hypergamy. But I personally think it's great. It just force our species in a accelerated natural selection. Hopefully we will get more and more beautiful and talented descendants and also limit the number of humans in the planet. 8 billion is too much, especially when 80% of them are ugly.

@JT-rx1eo

Жыл бұрын

@@inuhundchien6041 Lol. I would suggest you don't fully understand the modern BROKEN mating/dating paradigm and women being HYPER hypergamous. Its horrible for humanity, leading to falling marriage rates and disillusioned women and men. Lol. Your take is funny.

11:28 "It's very easy for a young beautiful woman to mistake male sexual desire for high regard." So very well-said. The subsequent bitterness in women towards men in general at being burnt by that mistake, rather than getting better at working it out before too much damage is done, seems to be widespread. Consequently, we end up with disenchanted (sour) women in echo chamber friendship groups moaning (like Meghan Markle clones) about misogyny and the dearth of 'good men' rather than articulating things like Louise Perry, working this sort of thing out, and attempting to navigate their way through relationships from there. And being more of a pleasure for other intelligent, well-adjusted people to engage with as a result. And to truly be worthy of high regard. So, get better, not bitter. Which leads me to this final, post-rona, relationship-dystopian 'you want, you'd settle for, you get' thought: You want: Louise Perry You'd settle for: Katy Perry You get: ... ... ... ... ... Pericarditis Have your best life peeps, before the (literal) heartbreak 😬

@dll7658

Жыл бұрын

Lol! But well said

@thnxm8

Жыл бұрын

very nice lol

@jonathancurtis5122

Жыл бұрын

I got Tamponade. Pericarditis sounds pretty nice right about now

@tommckellen4289

Жыл бұрын

The problem with Western culture is that it is full of people who are unconsciously following the Judeo Christian quest for 'perfect deontology'. Of course there is a time for this, such as knowing the circumference of your care tyre from measuring the diameter etc etc, but it is not always so. Nothing brings up this old tendancy quite like this topic. Long before that firey, demonic, overly assured deity, Yaweh, took hold of Western society, we were pagans. We were a people who knew about the unconscious mind, who had a magical sensibility and who Jung himself would have felt very close to. Such people (who we were) would have scoffed at our casual sex culture as tame, compared to theirs, AND would have scoffed at out inability to focus and clear one's mind completely of the carnal drive, depending on the context. This might sound like an attempt at edgyness, even at something subversive. It isn't. Yes, those were times when we were at out fuller selves, in some regard, in understanding the nature of reality in it's vast poliarity. Therefore, people who feel the need to say that this or that polarity (of reality, of philosophy, of thought etc) is intrinsically 'correct', reflexively and without second thought, might not be in fullness. They may not be experiencing integration of the self. Of course, when a society drifts so far in one direction, if is only natural that certain voices will appear to counter the tribe. Sex is something which has traditionally been celebrated, depicted and enjoyed as the highest level of expression in every era, and which has also been presented with a backlog of mythology, caveats and forewarnings. Porn, trying that thing you want to try, not being so serious all the time about this topic etc and all the rest of it is not wrong,...at all, per se, if you are mindful and also have the other side of things; the ability for self control and to come into the heart and rational mind. Western society constantly swings back and forth like a pendulum, between piety and impropriety because it is not an honest culture (as with many others). It has duelling forces such as the classical liberals vs the religious dogmatist and now the woke, who demonstrate extreme totalitarian puritanism in so many areas vs conservatives who are now trying to open people's minds to more free way of thinking, speaking and being (a switch of archetypes no less, but it makes sense when you see that the West lost its ancient wisdom) There are many psychologists (such as Jung and William James) who have tried to grasp the numinous, duel nature of the unconscious and of consciousness and our forgotten culture. Of course, there is a positive side to some religions, but it is hard to deny that they also made us very narrow thinking in key ways.

@YuyiLeal

Жыл бұрын

Good comment!

Fantastically insightful video

Can we please get a video of just your suit closet? It looks like your suits pinstripe might be words. And your pocket square is definitely a face. You've developed an interesting and cool sense of fashion and I want a video about that. Love ya JBP!

porn doesnt make me not try, living in a society that wants me dead makes it kind of hard to care

It would be nice to hear more of this young woman's views. Interesting mix of feminism tempered with common sense.

I wasn't scared like that when I was young. I approached every woman I was attracted to - and got rejected. It was easy for me to approach women because I wasn't looking for sex, I was looking for love, which was righteous and noble. But I found that women were not righteous, noble, or loving. They were often looking for sex and I had to reject them for it. They hated that so they were very hateful people too. I really couldn't understand why any man wanted them or how they could tolerate them. I saw women treating men abusively and talking about men abusively all the time.

@sadiemakesmesmile

Жыл бұрын

I saw my father hitting my mother

@pz3j

Жыл бұрын

Yup. That was pretty much exactly my experience in the 70s, 80,s and 90s as well. Im still looking for that much fabled "true love"" i read about as a kid, but am getting too old to care now that my biological imperative is dwindling. I dont want to spend my old age with some selfish, demamding, insecure old bag....

@pz3j

Жыл бұрын

@@sadiemakesmesmile so now you take it out on all men?.... Why state it as a reply to this comment? Weaponizing guilt and shame? Its too late for that baby. We all hate each others guts already.

@silverlining6259

Жыл бұрын

Not all women are like this,mostly American women .

@timothykuring3016

Жыл бұрын

@@silverlining6259 I know you're right. A year abroad can be a very enlightening experience. I spent a year in France in 1992, and I met women from all over the world, who were friendly, sensible, feminine, and everything I had expected women to be. I wanted to stay there but a student visa only lasted so long. Interestingly, Europeans were mind blown by me. They kept asking me the same question: "Are there other Americans like you?" Well, they had certainly never seen one in any American movie or television production. Hollywood hated my type. And I couldn't find any "role model" I could identify with. Occasionally, there would be one or two in foreign films, or older American films. But most of the time, I thought the characters were stupid in most American productions. Stupid funny was alright, but stupid serious was extra stupid.

Honestly for me it’s more than fear of being rejected but more of being labeled a creep, being mocked by her and her friends which is why I don’t approach groups of women, also just find it hard to meet a woman that doesn’t have a insufferable personality

@Cocoisagordonsetter

Жыл бұрын

Approaching them in groups???? I've never been to a bar cause I don't drink for religious purposes, but that doesn't seem like a good strategy. :0 I'm a married female and HELL NO to that.

@mrbritisher9748

Жыл бұрын

Been spending too much time on the internet dude.....women don't mock men they don't like they just excuse themselves from the interaction if they not feeling it in 99% of cases, it stings for sure but you don't get outright mocked like you are imagining, end of the day even if someone thought you were creepy can you remember the faces of the people you saw the last time you were out in a social environment, it doesn't matter.

@inuhundchien6041

Жыл бұрын

Just stop doing it then? Idk why people worry about things they can't change. It's not as if you gonna die from not interacting with the opposite sex. You are brainwashed by society saying you need this and that. But you actually don't.

" God help you if you're an ugly girl, of course too pretty is also your doom, because everyone harbors a secret hatred for the prettiest girl in the room. " *it's an Ani DiFranco song*

@kopek702

Жыл бұрын

@@WanderingBonomi What you're describing is only during the selection process. Buried resentments during the course of a relationship are the real danger to the woman.

@redridingcape

Жыл бұрын

Even if that hatred exists you must admit pretty privilege exists.

@Becoming777

Жыл бұрын

I only see truth in this quote.

@arboghast8505

Жыл бұрын

As men you can not believe how much attention and free stuff pretty women get. It’s literally a world of free buffet 24/7. People secret hate them because it’s so unfair. Men and women are roughly equal in numbers, and good-looking women get most attentions, it means average or even ugly women receive no attentions. As a result majority of both sexes are unsatisfied.

@venividivici6418

Жыл бұрын

Stupid lyric. Prettiest girl = life on easy mode.

It’s national nihilism. The only solution is to turn off the internet, and get outside, and in to the nature. After a few months, your brain begins to function healthy again. We know this, but keep on doing it anyway. I think so 🙏

@stonepaintertim

Жыл бұрын

I agree- the effects of the computer keeps dehumanizing; we were better off without it in lots of ways, and nature is the stabilizer; computer bix-z-destabilizer. But we get these pod casts of wisdom-the up shot

@inuhundchien6041

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I always try but something always lure me in.

The biggest societal problem is women overvalue themselves and undervalue men.

@michaelbloomer451

Жыл бұрын

What if their estimation of men's value is accurate? Maybe everyone has a lower value as an individual and as a partner than before?

@apebass2215

Жыл бұрын

You don't consider that maybe you undervalue women and overvalue men?

@Nah-ah

Жыл бұрын

Single mothers didn’t overvalue themselves and look what happened! If you were the 1 to carry the baby, you’d sure af put yourself first!

@inuhundchien6041

Жыл бұрын

Nah, even Jordan say women are more 'valuable' than men, at least in the sexual sense. I mean, look at the Ukraine Russia war. Certainly it's men that's dying but it's women that's safe at the rear. That's how valuable women are.

@rrrggg5267

Жыл бұрын

Bullshit. Even Jordan Peterson has spoken before that women are more self-conscious than men. Women are on average less confident and undervalue themselves more.

Blaming porn instead of women's egos? Still blaming men.

@rrrggg5267

Жыл бұрын

So should a woman be forced to lower her standard and date a potential porn addict? It’s like you don’t listen to JP ideas about personal responsibility

Very powerful information. Thank you.

@Stafus

Жыл бұрын

how hypocritical of a women to say too much porn leads to not being able to be stimulated by real sex, when women use VIBRATORS ! I can't think of anything more damaging to normal sex than a goddamn MACHINE VIBRATING 50X PER SECOND

How about not seeking "power" at all, but rather, seek what is good, true, healthy and productive?

@bbblackwell

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I can't stand hearing human interaction described this way. But, what can we expect from lifelong slaves propagandized by psychopaths? Of course they're always thinking in terms of power, be it by reward or punishment. No disrespect to these two admirable thinkers.

@SC-gw8np

Жыл бұрын

The problem is a lot of people either don’t know or don’t care about what is good, true, healthy and productive due to decades of moral subjectivism and anything goes culture.

Two smart people discuss what truckers, barbers and mechanics have known for thirty years

@aripr6

Жыл бұрын

Lol , you just need an academic to rephrase the words said in every blue collar break room

@inuhundchien6041

Жыл бұрын

White collar / rich people just work in a different way. It doesn't matter because only money matters. When you can just pay others to birth for you, take care of your kids, and do everything else there's no reason to care.

I hurt my wife from watching porn and I shall never watch porn again. The pain I seen on her face in doing so was one of the most painful moments of my life!

@marvinidler2289

Жыл бұрын

It is not good to watch porn. On the other hand, the guilt you feel helps your wife to make you obedient.

@llIlIlllII

Жыл бұрын

Wtf 😆

@Saya_SaW

Жыл бұрын

Question, how much consideration for your motivation do you think she is responsible for?

@mtlicq

Жыл бұрын

@@Saya_SaW What? What is your question?

@upmyally1375

Жыл бұрын

Wot?

A woman's value comes from how selective they are.

@margaretcampbell2681

Жыл бұрын

Right on

@bbblackwell

Жыл бұрын

Value in what sense? That by making themselves hard-to-get, their stock goes up? This may be how it plays out in society, but it's an inhuman way of thinking about people. We live in a death-cult slave farm, so we have to be careful about extracting universal truths from what we see demonstrated.

@Evelyn-jx8vo

Жыл бұрын

Yes and no, be too selective and you’ll grow old alone. My cousin told me of this hot chick everyone wanted and she was just too good, then she became old, never married never had kids. Too selective isn’t good either

@st0a

Жыл бұрын

@@Evelyn-jx8vo Actually, it's good for those women who are narcissistic. Thus they remove themselves from the gene pool of humanity, we don't need more egocentrism, really.

@sarcodonblue2876

Жыл бұрын

@@Evelyn-jx8vo if a women has trauma it is very important to be very selective and not be in a relationship with some one abusive. Women are much better at creating social networks than men are .

Very interesting talk.👍

Many women are aware that the sexual desire of men does not imply high regard, hence the high likelyhood of rejection that males face.

@margaretcampbell2681

Жыл бұрын

Spot on

@margaretcampbell2681

Жыл бұрын

@@laidiedee A woman has to see if she likes the personality of a man and if they have some degree of compatibility

@bbblackwell

Жыл бұрын

Well said. We really need to stop rewarding that kind attention, be it by women seeking it, or men giving it. We have to step into our higher nature as the beings with the highest intelligence potential on this planet. We should be seeking moral, rational, compassionate, self-respecting, uplifting partners above all else. If you're selling or buying superficiality, you're part of the problem.

@Stafus

Жыл бұрын

how hypocritical of a women to say too much porn leads to not being able to be stimulated by real sex, when women use VIBRATORS ! I can't think of anything more damaging to normal sex than a goddamn MACHINE VIBRATING 50X PER SECOND

@marvinidler2289

Жыл бұрын

I don't see that connection. A woman can reject a thousand men and still think, it is her personality they admire. It is also not limited to dating opportunities. Young attractive women get a lot of attention wherever they are, many doors are open for them. They think they are great and take it for granted, hence their bitterness when the attention is gone with youth and beauty.

I dated women from before the advent of dating apps, and it was just easier back then, even with feminism. Social media gives average women an inflated sense of value that is honestly unattractive. They will either end up lonely spinsters or feel like their "settling" (their not, that's just what they can get), and what self-respecting guy wants to be with a woman who feels like she can do better.

@meeppeep4113

Жыл бұрын

100%

@christelwilk6166

Жыл бұрын

Drop them like a hot brick. This is a woman talking.

@Mmmmkaaay

Жыл бұрын

I can "pull" the men who want to be pulled by me. I'm not sure what you mean by women thinking they deserve better than who is attracted to them. I mean, if a man has a great personality or is a good provider, then he can pull a more attractive mate. Not so for women. Therefore, only the 8-10 women get to be choosy. Not the best odds. Whereas men in the 3-5 range can date models if he works hard. A 3-5 woman with money and the personality will never get the model, unless she's paying by the hour.

@parrotshootist3004

Жыл бұрын

@@Mmmmkaaay Interesting. You should correct Wheat Waffles data. Seriously doubt you actually can though.

@Mmmmkaaay

Жыл бұрын

@@theinside97 Well hooking up is different than dating. That's why women shouldn't sleep with men right away because a man who was just looking for sex will not ask for a second date. And if she is just looking for sex, then why shouldn't she do it with the best she can get? A man certainly would.

What a sick world.

Holy smokes! Such an important video for the times we are living! Every young man needs to watch this and think deeply about it...porn is extremely destructive for a person's life...and it is possible to say no to it, and to pursue a real, truly fulfilling relationship.

@meeppeep4113

Жыл бұрын

Women overestimate themselves today to such a degree that many men choose porn instead. You would too if you we're in the same position. But I don't think you are ready to admit this reality or to scrutinize women.

@SnerMerNer

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes we “pursue” for decades with zero return for our efforts. Many men are completely invisible to women. What outlet does a man have for sexual release if women haven’t desired him his whole life? It’s easy for women to say that men shouldn’t use porn. Women have access to infinite sex, even if they’re unattractive and overweight. It might not always be the desired partner, but if a woman wants to get laid, she can. Many men are desperate for female attention, but the closest they can get is porn. Should they stop consuming porn just to appease the women who don’t want them?

@YuyiLeal

Жыл бұрын

@@SnerMerNer Yes, you have a very valid point there...And at the same time I am inclined to think that practicing a certain measure of abstinence gives men a certain power in their character...even a certain personal magnetism, or charisma - it's hard to describe - but I've met men like this, and they have become very attractive to women after such practices. Maybe something to consider or look into?

@YuyiLeal

Жыл бұрын

@@meeppeep4113 Yes, I can admit that... I know from many girl friends who actually have this attitude. It is unfortunate, because in the same measure that they adopt this attitude they also suffer from the lack of meaningful relationships. It's really such a vicious circle...both women and men suffering from not knowing how to go about forming relationships...Which makes me think, we really need an education system that includes the field of relationships and emotions and everything of the sort. I can't wait for that to be implemented!🙏...and I can see how women bear a huge responsibility in this area of life, to make society work properly.

@DarkPrince784

Жыл бұрын

Ehhh I don’t know if it’s possible for all men. I realized in my 20s that I was NOT what the opposite sex wanted, and that was when I was at my peaks looks-wise. If I was invisible THEN, what chance would I have at 38? So I keep to myself, keep myself busy and watch SOME porn- not much, but just enough to provide release. But no, a fulfilling relationship is in the cards for all men. You need to

Slight correction. An android is a machine made to look human. A cyborg is a machine/human hybrid.

@melissapiontek3886

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

It's worse than that. Imagine that you have a coworker or, God forbid, a family member that you want to have a sexual encounter with. All you will need is a few pictures and a voice recording sample and the AI will recreate them and make them do whatever you want. Truly disgusting and disordered.

@hyenaswine

Жыл бұрын

Wow that's a good idea. lol

@illbeyourmonster1959

Жыл бұрын

So basically I could make a version of my Ex-wife without all the neurotic baggage? *cries in conflicted ethical noises. 😋

@TheJeremyKentBGross

Жыл бұрын

>"Truly disgusting abd disordered." This reminds me of the Bill Burr bit when he's defending Arnold Schwarzenegger from the jowley moralizing old men who would never have a chance anyway.

@MA-748

Жыл бұрын

They made a black mirror episode based on this.

@MA-748

Жыл бұрын

@@illbeyourmonster1959 🤣🤣🤣

In the last 50 yrs Western society has gone from trashing tradition in hopes of building something better to villianizing virtue. Very few are willing to admit we got it wrong, we have over-corrected.

The fact that the state is at odds with this good, wise and thoughtful man is a terrible indictment of the state.

Here's my odd little observation of women I have come to see over the last 30 some years of being an adult. How come women who are both attractive and have strong positive life values (Healthy, attractive, have good skillsets and personalities) tend to be completely clueless about their relationship potential? YET, those that have absolutely nothing going for them (Morbidly obese, hugely toxic to outrightly caustic in character, and hold near zero skillsets value) think they are the hot shyte that everyone wants a piece of?

@krdiaz8026

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps the former are simply more modest, so they won't say things like, "I'm amazing" and so forth, and they know they aren't perfect, but the latter will rant on social media about how men don't like "strong" feminist women.

@recoveringsoul755

Жыл бұрын

Because we just feel like we're average, we didn't grow up thinking that looks were everything, which is why they focused on education and being a decent person. Having interest and hobbies that aren't goal oriented of getting a husband and being a stay at home mom.

@tjwoosta

Жыл бұрын

I would not limit that observation to women. It works that way with men too to an extent. I think the difference is that men are socially obligated to be successful productive people in order to procreate, where women are socially obligated to procreate in order to be successful productive people.

@manubishe

Жыл бұрын

Removal of competition

@IsaacMorgan98

Жыл бұрын

Those who lack something will often feel a strong need to simply keep talking until those around them believe they have that thing. A competent person doesn't have to tell you they're competent, they just do the job better than everyone else and you know. The low tier trash model women of today behave similarly, they yell and scream in hopes people believe them and then, because often women display violence this way, they destroy the ego and reputation of anyone above them to make themselves feel better.

I nearly never watched porn, but the biased systems made me abandon relationships after a lot of turmoil. It started to make me bored every time someone brought up a fake problem, just to create drama... So no wonder other men watch that in face of the change in jurisdiction and in the personality of others.

@llIlIlllII

Жыл бұрын

You should explain what "fake problem" means. You just sound salty over being rejected.

@ronaldfisher663

Жыл бұрын

@@llIlIlllII Nah, was not really often rejected and that was really not the bad part of life. I was speaking of others not me, I am lucky :) but all the people watching porn to cope with the biased systems against them have it bad. But in the end, nobody cares...

@therearenoshortcuts9868

Жыл бұрын

aye, conservatives always ignore the marriage laws and blame everything on "pron and video games" "stop watching pron and video games, and .... go "get a job" and then financially graped in a divorce???? (aka have all the money saved from your job get taken away LOL)"

@carlwide6594

Жыл бұрын

Women will create problems where none exist, just to give themselves something to use to attack men for. The neurons in their brains have to be constantly stimulated and it doesn't matter whether it's good or bad. Eg you're having a nice time watching a film. An attractive woman comes on screen. She'll start digging and try to cause an argument over whether you find the woman on screen attractive. They'll demand two things that are the opposite of each other, creating no win situations. Eg they'll continuously demand more money, but then complain if you don't focus all your attention on them. They'll invent stories about you talking to other women, even invent whole relationships that never happened, and even tell multiple others about these invented stories, creating situations where everyone you know believes things that are completely made up. They'll attack you over dreams they've had. They'll attack you over things their friends have said, something they saw online etc. They make simple things in to complicated ordeals, like choosing a place to eat, or paying a bill that you can automats. The list is never ending. The thing is, to them, it's all real as they can't distinguish their emotions from reality.

@ronaldfisher663

Жыл бұрын

@@carlwide6594 A friend of mine calls them only in a word: problemfactory. Logically, that started after divorce...

well said

Nice Suit Jordan. And great clip as well.

When a nation (or the world) forgets God... this is the result.

I went on a date with a guy who started discussing our relative sexual market values like he’d read these studies and it was probably the worst date I’ve ever had. His “value” was pretty high by these metrics, and none of it was remotely enough to make up for feeling like I was in some sort of business negotiation with myself as the product. So pro-tip, if you’re watching these videos and tempted to dehumanize women to the point that you view them as some sort of overly picky sexual object, keep those thoughts to yourself and at least pretend to see her as a person who isn’t solely interested in money.

@callunaherissonne662

Жыл бұрын

No, if that's what they believe they need to be up front about it so women who aren't playing those games don't waste time and energy on them. I suspect your date's high market value didn't give him any truly valuable self-awareness and empathy.

@noodleresidue

7 ай бұрын

This. Nothing is a bigger turn off than people who see people and human interactions as commodities with “values”. I just find the whole concept dehumanising and gross.

People need to go back to socializing a precursor to dating . Eg groups meet up and go for a hike , go to an outdoor cafe or pizza place. You will learn a lot and make friends or even pair up. There is some level of accountability in person vs a dating app eg you can ghost someone at the last minute

Talk with Bettina Arndt: There is a flipside to this. Bettina tried to point this out to Jordan when she interviewed him. It is the one time I have seen Dr Peterson sidestep a question. 9 in 10 women start backing away from intimacy within 3-5 years of initiating. There is a counterclaim to inspect. "Has porn made sexless marriages a little less painful". Ms. Perry makes good points. But we are ignoring the gigantic chasm in the middle of the room. 9 in 10. This is not necessarily bridged by conversation and connection. There is a physiological feedback in play. Rollo Tomassi and Jordan Peterson may have stumbled into "the one". Good on them. The 9 in 10 problem is massive. It is part of the reason women will start "Sharing" the "high value" men. It is part of the reason that women are probably NOT as against harems as the average feminist would have you believe... MGTOW is not men running away. Yes there are men in it that are running away. Yes there are the Red Pilled Idiots. But the biggest part of it is realizing that there is no way to correct women. Yes, there is a way, but we do not talk about it. Failing to talk about it is likely wrong. But the way men avoid getting into battle because we know the consequence of getting into battle is missing from the female end of the game.

Jordan with his "I love fossil fuels" pin 😆

@heyyall1912

Жыл бұрын

the young men he is talking about need to be taught the truth about what a female needs, and the number one need (when it comes to the opposite sex) is security and a sense of safety. the guys are getting rejected left and right because they are making offers (yes, even the offers to meet for coffee) before they establish a strong foundation of trust. and this takes time, you can't do it in one or two conversations.

@cheezedoodlenygguh6229

Жыл бұрын

What a load of......women will make it happen for a guy they actually want. They are LYING to you and you believe it 🤣🤣

@self-publishinghelp8596

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I wish guys could understand that a better way to meet women is not to approach them as strangers, but to get to know them through a mutual interest: a church group, a hiking group, games nights, pottery class, coed soccer team, whatever. Plus, you’ll be getting to know people with whom you share an interest. Guys don’t seem to realize that women are naturally wary of strange men. We have to be. And we’re attracted by so much more than looks, so attraction is unlikely to be an instantaneous thing. So a cold approach is not going to be successful hardly ever. But yet, guys seem to think a first-meeting pick-up or dating apps are the only possibilities for meeting women. When it just doesn’t have to be that complicated and high-pressure. You can get to know someone in a group with all the pressure off, decide if you like her as a person even, gauge her reaction to you. Makes so much common sense.

MashaAllah

Omg this is so sad and scary. What have we done with our so-called "intelligence"?!

I love Dr Peterson's insights in terms of the impact of AI. It would be truly a cyberpunk apocalyptic, dystopia scene if men look to AI for female companionship. One can argue the current AI technology can not provide the authentic and meaningful relationship from a real female, and that's valid, but many men aren't getting that in realife anyway, and would be increasingly more so if the world continue to go down the current path. And I'd say this: few females in realife can actually provide dialogues at the same quality as ChatGPT. Most females on Tinder and other casual dating apps are extremely arrogant, non-responsive, entitled and toxic. So whom would you choose? A pleasant and understanding AI who is always available, or some entitled females who have thausands of simps and who won't even respond to you?

@redridingcape

Жыл бұрын

It's sad that you might be right.

@Becoming777

Жыл бұрын

I'm a woman and I have this same difficulties with men. For a long time I preferred the "company" of visual novel games and books. Now I don't play video games anymore. So I can see this being a reality to women as well, but I understand that men would be the majority.

@llIlIlllII

Жыл бұрын

Most men on dating apps provide worse quality interaction than men. They're entitled and lazy, and quickly turn hostile. Looks like women might be better severe by AI, too 😆

@kenyanicholas6809

Жыл бұрын

You’ve got selection bias. Tinder is known as a hookup app, ofc it ain’t attracting intellectuals.

@redridingcape

Жыл бұрын

@@kenyanicholas6809 That is a fair point.

Sex Robots have been represented on screen in Blade Runner, Cherry 2000, and Serenity. Blade Runner was the first as far as I know. There was a female robot in Metropolis, and she may have represented sexuality, but I don't think they meant her to be a sexual surrogate.

Whoa! This video is why I don’t bother watching television anymore! 🤯❤️

I think it's hilarious (and telling) that this was supposed to be an interview with Louise Perry, and Jordan Peterson spent 80% of the time talking.

Don’t forget society is coercing all women into sacrificing their youth and beauty to pursue casual relationships (or delay to settle down or seriously look for long term partner for whatever reason). There are plenty of men interested in genuine relationships however women are being engineered out of the willingness to invest or take a risk on forming a relationship with young men also. Frankly the only avenue for young men to have a “relationship” with young women these days is the virtual one.

@UnAnonKnown

Жыл бұрын

I was once a young girl who took a risk on a young guy … ended quite badly for me. One may argue that I picked wrong but he had all the markers of a good choice - all of my friends and family really liked him and urged the relationship forward. Fast forward many years - his career didn’t pan out (which was fine - I never cared about money) … but he got depressed, turned into a jerk and ultimately cheated. But guess what? I have my career. I may not have the life I thought I’d have, but I can put food on my own table … and I can calmly pursue my next relationship without panicking about finding someone to support me. The trouble with telling girls to bet on young guys is that if it doesn’t pan out, they can be seriously screwed if they don’t have their own careers.

@drez13

Жыл бұрын

@@UnAnonKnown thanks I value your response. I guess it’s good not to be dependent in that case. I think a lot of people get burned by leaving it too late also though, but maybe the career isn’t always the culprit. I think I always felt the pressure to establish my career before having serious relationship prospects- and I think a failed career can change a person’s mental health and personality for the worse. In my case though I pursued self help as well as professional help, but in a way I’m glad my S/O didn’t have to go through the worst of it (I met her after career change) as I had to hit rock bottom first and ego defense can do strange things to a character, although I don’t think I succumbed to it too badly. To be honest higher education is probably more of a culprit than the career itself (in terms of wasting youth and not setting people up with a guaranteed career). There’s a great deal of social pressure on a man to succeed in his career in order to see himself as having value as a partner that I doubt can be re-engineered.

@UnAnonKnown

Жыл бұрын

@@drez13 I absolutely agree that higher education is becoming destructive to the development of our youth. I also appreciate the pressure on a man to succeed, even if it’s not coming from a partner. 100% a failed career destroyed my ex’s mind and I do have empathy for him. But I 1) No longer date based on potential and 2) No longer date men who wouldn’t be open to therapy (just in case their current success fails one day). But I looked into this fairly deeply at one point. They did a study in the USA where 25% of men in their 80s admitted to having had affairs. That’s a high number. From an era where men weren’t drowned in education … where they married young & more traditional wives. Never mind the percentage of men who likely had other vices like drinking/gambling/abuse. It made me realize that a significant chunk of men just never were suited to have a woman dependent on them for survival. And of course some men just unfortunately face early disability or death leaving the woman & children without an income. That’s just life. So the idea of a woman pursuing a career isn’t the problem … the education system consuming everyone’s youth is.

@drez13

Жыл бұрын

@@UnAnonKnown I agree 100%

Man It’s over. I’m living on my own

tbh, I see this all being over. xx.s per se (beyond neutral everyday transaction, service, biz or culture-wise) ceased to make for smth. I enjoy co-existing with. full indifference is an utterly benevolent bright side of this that can't always be mustered.

My wife is a surgeon and we have 2 daughters, a tax lawyer and an English literature teacher. My wife and I have been married 35 years, both our daughters are married with children. Our community values academic achievement and family centred. Yeah, the men have important things going on too. It's a lot of work but it works.

Bring on the A.I. girlfriends those 30% deserve it and they'll leave the real women alone who have made it very clear they don't want them even when they get their life together. I'd prefer that over those men being settled for and exploited by desperate mid-30s women that settle for them and insist they really love them. At least the relationship with the A.I. Is honest and far more real than the example I just gave.

People seem to think that everything was better before feminism. It wasn't great. There were plenty of women out there that had children and stayed home and were homemakers while their husband was the breadwinner. And lots of these women were lousy mothers. Maybe they were good at creating the appearance of mothering but in practice they emotionally neglected their children for the sake of maintaining appearances. Look up the phrase "narcissistic mothers" and see what you find. Lots of "traditional mothers" were terrible. Their narcissism ruled the household and severely damaged their children. Frequently their daughters suffered the most because the narcissistic mother viewed them as competition and they then abused them to eliminate the competition for attention. Going out to work forced lots of these women to have to deal with adults who were less likely to deal with their crap. A blind reversion to traditional sex roles will not solve things because maybe the real problem is how to deal with narcissistic evil in relationships.

Legend has it Jordan is still pondering her statement 😅

No one in these conversations talks about how the average woman is overweight and bossy. P*** is better than having to deal with that crap

Driving sexual desperation down to zero by way of porn is, for married men, often the only way to deal with the soul-crushing reality of sexless marriages. Bettina Arndt is a lonely voice in this field.

@apebass2215

Жыл бұрын

How do you think men dealt with lack of sex in their marriage before the availability of porn?

@DennisNeijmeijer

Жыл бұрын

A mistress

@merin5230

Жыл бұрын

More to the point, why is the marriage sexless? Could it be that one of the partners, usually a male (I'm talking hetero marriage here. I'm aware of the nuances,which is another conversation), has no interest in his wife as a friend? How many hard working men come home to their dinner ready, the house clean and tidy and the kids ready to engage with dad before dinner? Then after that, his wife looking forward to some adult conversation and wind down after an exhausting day dealing with the CONSTANT supervision and vigilence needed to stop kids jamming fingers in electrical sockets, fighting with each other, screaming tantrums, constant 'look at me mum ', changing of nappies, nursing sick kids, managing to feed the household on an inadequate shopping allowance, making sure everyone has clean ironed clothes, dealing with all the bills,( yes that's right! Mine wouldn't even open his own mail!), The constant put downs, the fault picking, the sulking when husband doesn't get own way, the sleepless nights because hubby won't help with night feeding, the constant emotional drain when he comes home and aggressively rants about the rubbish people he has to work with, then berating the wife because the house isn't like a show home the slamming of doors and cupboards and seeming unsatisfied till she's in tears at which point he goes for a shower, comes downstairs to kitchen where tearful wife is struggling to keep it together because she doesn't want the kids to be upset, and then, he has the gall, while she's still in tears, to grab her from behind, grope her(sore due to breastfeeding), breasts with one hand, snake the other round to her groin and demand they go upstairs to 'play'. During which he wants porn level action,does only what he likes and ignores it when she says what she finds good, loses his erection and demands she get it back for him and when finally, over an hour later be succeeds in climax, blames his wife for is performance issues even when he told her when they met it was due to someone else. And refuses to do anything about it. And EVERY time he touches her, every time, it's never honest affection but always sexual. And if she playfully pats his bum when squeezing past him in kitchen or wherever, he takes that as an invitation for more sex. Gosh, why on earth would she not want to have sex with him? God of the bedroom that he is. In this case, he's a covert narcissist. She didn't know, and found out too late. Multiply that by n to the power of n and these are the relationships where the female has gone off sex. Shown off and talked up in company, suffering the death of a thousand cuts in private. It can be the other way too, but not much. And it's prevalent Men, if you're in a sexless marriage and you're complaining about it, you're a sh#t. Because if you were decent ,true, husband material, you would have asked early on ,why? And what can you do to make it better? Because she's a real person to you and not just a housekeeper with a vagina. I mean it. If you're not getting any sex, why haven't you asked why? Why haven't you asked what pleases her? And if you have, why aren't you doing it? This is why many women feel devalued, often genuinely frightened and staying only to protect the kids or because he's threatened suicide if she leaves and promises hell do better but just gets worse. Just shut the hell up and look to yourselves for the cause. There really are not that many men out there who actually like women. Not just looking at them as an emotional supply or cheap nanny,housekeeper and whore. And she's not just nanny to the kids. He's emotionally about 13, and he's looking for the cure to his mummy issues. He lies to get her. And then punishes her. So stop whining and grow up. We have women's safe houses for a reason you know. Abuse doesn't have to be physical. And sexual harrassment and forcing her by wearing her down, is definitely sexual assault. If you behaved like that to someone in the workplace, you'd be jailed. So go look up narcissistic abuse and ask yourself some questions. I'm fed up of hearing the whining. If she's not interested in sex it's because she doesn't feel sexy. That's your job. And if she's exhausted, accept it. Sex isn't a human right. It's a privilege.

@merin5230

Жыл бұрын

Depends how far back you go. Rape was normal. And often committing wife to an asylum , because she was a woman and prone to Hysteria and therefore not to be believed. Not because of hysteria, because she was female. And that attitude, exists today. Exhibit A. Andrew Tate. Sex isn't a right. It's a privilege. There are damaged women out there as well as men. We all now know about PTSD and cptsd. No more excuses. If she's not turned on then she doesn't want sex. If you're in a relationship you need to ask why. If you're not, it's because she's not sexually attracted to you. Being sexually attractive is up to you, guys. And you don't have to have model looks. A decent, honest personality and an intelligence that matches hers is more of a turn on than chiselled abs. Equally, if you're just plain excessively overweight, fat, you are less attractive because it's not a healthy look. Sort yourselves out. And if you need counciling, due to trauma or ADHD etc, then get the counciling. You'll be happier. Ditto the ladies. And consider, she may have unresolved trauma and not know it. Couples therapy is a truly wonderful thing. Use it. We're people, not things. If all you want is sex without responsibility of a relationship, then just pay for it. It's easier, safer than casual sex and probably cheaper in the long run. Marriage/committed relationship= compassion, communication and respect. If you don't want these three things, just get out your wallet. And women reject so many men because a VAST amount of you are sexual predators. Not all. But a huge amount. Just saying.

@KopperNeoman

Жыл бұрын

@apebass2215 It never happened. Proto-humans were drawing porn before they finished evolving.

This women is stunning. Holy smokes, man. I gotta step up my game.

@brandonreed2248

Жыл бұрын

True, but attractive women shouldn't be the main reason for you to improve.

@eswn1816

Жыл бұрын

Careful! She's wearing a big fat wedding ring...

@robmccormick8155

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonreed2248 Of course. I ain't no simp 😂

@bbblackwell

Жыл бұрын

I know what you mean, but consider dropping the word "game". There's no place for strategy, tactics, winning or prizes in forming an authentic connection with a quality person. Quality men have to grant women like this respectful attention, so other women will recognize them as the role models they truly are (at least in regard to being intelligent, self-respecting, and naturally and thoroughly beautiful).

@mrknarf4438

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonreed2248 I'm not sure I agree: it shouldn't be the only reason, as external motivation can be a harsh mistress, but the pursue of beauty can be a great motivator.

Great, any peer reviewed studies to share?

And there goes humankind, eventually not with a bang, but a whimper

That woman at the start is full of crap. Feminism has made women not just worthless but an actual liability and life risking threat to men. Porn is the symptom not the cause! No man would use porn if he could find a decent woman that really treated him with love and cared for him instead of treating him as a walking wallet and sex object to be used for her pleasure. When women read books from the past advising ladies how to treat a man - smile, bring him his slippers and a cup of tea, cook for him, listen to his worries - they will mock that advice and yet expect men to do that for them. Where then is any value to having a woman? Even casual sex is now dangerous with all the MeToo victim lies women tell to get narcissistic sympathy or spite men who scorn them. Porn is not going to make false rape allegations to the police to destroy your life, porn is not going to divorce you - take your house and throw you on the streets and turn your kids against you, when you lose your job through ill health or recession or just because she wants to cheat on you and has found someone else! If you want men to give up porn focus on teaching women to be worth something to men and scrap those misandrist laws that destroy men's lives.

I wish she was allowed to speak more during that podcast episode..

@jimpyjohn2474

Жыл бұрын

Yeah what was with that. JBP rambled oddly for like an hour and she spoke for like 5 mins max. Makes me worry he's ill again.

@Stafus

Жыл бұрын

how hypocritical of a women to say too much porn leads to not being able to be stimulated by real sex, when women use VIBRATORS ! I can't think of anything more damaging to normal sex than a goddamn MACHINE VIBRATING 50X PER SECOND

fresh and fit for you jp lol!! would love to hear that convo!

@marilynj4504

Жыл бұрын

Yuck!!

Does anyone know? If I do watch Jordan's videos on Dailywire, will I still need to see these embedded ads, or are they edited out?

Sure glad I dated when we knew our probable roles. And how to talk to girls became a skill with practice. And bars with dancing. Good times.

This is sad for younger generations and especially for people who want families. However, as a middle aged woman with two serious relationships behind me I dont see why I would want to be anything other than single. Being single isn't hell and I'm not lonely. It's more peaceful.

@1:10 From Mrs.Perry's perspective as the fish, to the fishermen: 'I sometimes like the bait you put in the water, but could you please just take the barb off, so there are no repercussions for me and all the upside?' Fishermen to fish: 'You don't get to decide how I fish, but only if you bite. The barb is the only thing that allows us the choice on whether you're a keeper, or a catch-and-release and if we're not getting what we desire from fishing, we'll go find something else to do. 🤷

When one woman feels like she can tell all women what they should be.

What Louise says at 11:15 totally negates Jordan’s theory that an incredibly wealthy 80yo woman would trade 99% of her wealth to be a young, beautiful woman. But she does it so politely and subtly that I wonder who noticed. A woman who over-values the short term appeal and benefit such attributes offer is a fool.

And of course Peterson completely and utterly avoid the fundamental problem of female hypergamy, which is the main trigger for male frustration and turning to p0rn. Societal collapse is a female problem, not male problem.

@patrickdoherty4527

Жыл бұрын

Men now start watching porn at a young age (before they would actually be pursuing women for relationships), so it has nothing to do with hypergamy.

Men need women and want women. Why are we allowing women to want men but not need men???? If women needed men we wouldn't be having these problems with divorce.

It’s so scary!! 😮

“That’s gonna be great.” - Jordan Peterson on sex robots

@dll7658

Жыл бұрын

😆

@heyyall1912

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@Sam-jm8vi

Жыл бұрын

How old are you

@therearenoshortcuts9868

Жыл бұрын

he's like: "thats awesom- I mean horrible hehe"

"Unearned surfeit turns into revultion", or "Thou shall not covet".

The financial risk of a failed marriage is the destroying the institution. Women will have to find a way to outcompete the electronics.

the abundance of sex mentioning online indicates the substantial lack of it in real life...viva Pattaya!

It's too late, we already hit the iceberg lady. Get ready for a cold swim!!

@therearenoshortcuts9868

Жыл бұрын

aye, women suddenly "wake up" when it is already too late because if it's not too late, then it means they might actually have to do some hard work (aka actually maintain a relationship and service 5 kids LOL)