Arm goes: ouch, snap! Leg goes: snap, ouch! Learn to walk before runnig.

@HDwakeboardTV

5 жыл бұрын

Ain't that the truth most scary thing is by the time it hurts your fucked

@hellofaname

5 жыл бұрын

I can handle knee bars and ankle locks. But once my knee is getting reap getting prepared for a heel hook, I'm tapping.

@NotKimiRaikkonen

5 жыл бұрын

This is why I don't roll with white belts anymore. It's just too scary having someone with no control trying to rip your fucking leg off.

@salty_doge3275

5 жыл бұрын

i got caught in a gnarly ankle lock one day while sparring. I heard the pop before i felt it.

@blaneries8925

5 жыл бұрын

Yu Wish if you’re rolling with a white belt you should be good enough to not let them get to that position

Jean-Jacques is awesome... pure class.

@ethanunderwood1189

3 жыл бұрын

He spent his entire adulthood with Rixon Gracie, can't expect anything else

Blue belt really isn't a long wait to start leg locks. The skills of jiu jitsu run so deep you definitely won't run out of other things to learn and practice. I'd heard exaggerations he wouldn't teach *any* leg locks before purple belt and people only really started practicing them at brown belt. Glad to know the man himself is quite reasonable about it in real life.

@kevinbergman6830

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is. I was a white belt for 3 years.

At the 80's in RJ, people used to "booh" when someone won a fight by a straight foot lock.

@arielteixeira4306

4 жыл бұрын

Im from Rio and the fadda story is true

First BJJ class I had my leg ripped out of place never healed. Now I have a gun, and an outright hatred for everyone.

@pandapancakes37

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 go back to the gym blasting pumped up kicks

@nikolaslavov3498

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus that's evil. Who'd heel hook a guy on his first day?

@rolandos8758

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that man, im 3 weeks into classes and I really hope no one does that to me.

@coletanner5193

3 жыл бұрын

I stopped as well because of injuries. I'd like to meet a retired MMA fighter who doesn't have injuries he needed surgery on

@edwardrichard2561

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

I agree, for like 6 months after learning leg locks I didn’t pass guard

When you are confident they won't hurt someone with it and can control themselves and not abuse that knowledge and skill... Very few people have that maturity...many are just itching to apply it, and look to create scenarios where they can apply it. This is the problem with many martial arts and why true masters are reluctant to teach some techniques to certain students

@AJScraps

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone I’ve rolled with hasn’t had the maturity. I would knock them out the next time I see them, because I was taught never to abuse my knowledge on a noob. I go easy on beginners in sparring and rolling.

@g3neriik901

Жыл бұрын

yep. glad my coach feels confident in me. been training close to 7 months and just got the okay for leg locks

I don't do leg locks anymore especially in mma gyms because a lot of them think yanking their leg by force is a legit escape because they don't feel any pressure. I have a catch and release policy but had a couple of close calls. Accident waiting to happen.

@jaredsantiago3479

5 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one, people really need to start becoming educated about it leg locks because most people yank their leg out and a lot of times go in the opposite direction.

@adamkeylon2194

5 жыл бұрын

That's good. Let go of your pride to protect the opponent who is ignorant to what is going on.

@ronjeremy1232

5 жыл бұрын

I could ankle pick you

@adamkeylon2194

5 жыл бұрын

@@ronjeremy1232 Used to love hitting a good ankle pick and fold a muthufucka in half as he hits the mat haha.

@jwkolm

4 жыл бұрын

I identify with these comments, I typically won't engage an opponent in a leg lock exchange unless they go for it 1st. It's like once they go for it I have permission. But most of the guys I roll with are high level and realize when there caught. Same goes for me, I fight off the leg work but tap before they apply the lock. I haven't been hurt yet and I believe the reason why is; I tap when the leg work is in and the guys I roll with are controlled.

I love having leg locks as a valid attack in my repertoire, it isn't what I focus on all time though, even in nogi, but a surprise leg attack when your opponent isn't expecting it can deliver a quick win by submission.

@phreneticCh

5 жыл бұрын

it's apussy move to me, knees are so weak and complex that's not even worth going to train anything that will fuck up your knees

@michaeldehoyos6185

5 жыл бұрын

Pedro Passos you’re a pussy

@genises200

5 жыл бұрын

@@phreneticCh What? Lol it's a valid move and it's not, its apart of the game and growing if anything not learning to defend it is holding you back

@itsspookie

5 жыл бұрын

@@phreneticCh maybe you should learn leg locks so you can defend against them. Prettt simple.

@phreneticCh

5 жыл бұрын

​@@genises200 It's valid but it's a very recent move, that's why it hasn't been regulated and would be if everyone was grappling legs like bitches trying to give a lifetime injury, a knee is a knee it's no a regular bone, your legs changes so much over the years and that makes impossible to replicate

Smart approach. Kind of like anything else, if you give the person the haymaker punch too early, then they will do nothing but throw haymakers.

@nanayawberko3212

5 жыл бұрын

Legend has it Derrick Lewis learned how to throw haymakers before he learnt his first words

@chaosdweller

5 жыл бұрын

Until tired

@lucasbiohazerd6242

5 жыл бұрын

Brodha Sattva that's actually a good comparison well thought out 👌

@eahuso

5 жыл бұрын

Dan "only haymakers" Henderson

@northeastslingshot1664

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf is it called a hay maker? 😆

When I did jujitsu with gi we weren’t aloud to attack the knee & foot. We were only limited to arm bars & chokes but this was white belt level so it made sense for safety reasons

Loved Jean Jacques point on the medicine of the 80's!

Excellent informative podcast . My 2 takeaways are : 1) it a journey not a destination I’m 54 , my goals are to live to fight ( train ) another day ... 2) it’s still a martial art , learning times years . Great podcast !

If someone I’m rolling with even looks at my ankle, I tap. I can defend the arm. No clue how to defend the leg yet. We have a rule at my academy: no leg locks on white belts. Some guys get caught up in the moment. I’m tapping immediately.

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. If you touch my feet or legs I’m tapping ASAP

@edgar22452

3 жыл бұрын

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Good lol. Leg locks can fuck u up real good.

@coletanner5193

3 жыл бұрын

I can take arm locks too except kamari.. when they do lock and key even if my thumb is up they always say well what's going on how come you didn't tap are you okay and I'm always like yeah man I think maybe I have stronger elbows than most people I don't know

@cdb0816

3 жыл бұрын

I’m at 10th planet. In advanced class we often start in a leg entanglement and go live from there. Lot of guys come limping to class lol

@GaryCooper12

2 жыл бұрын

@@coletanner5193 just wait till your elbow snaps... many guys with fucked elbows once thought they were made of rubber.

I'm so nervous doing leg locks on someone else outside of drilling and if I do try them I go mega careful with it.

Dean taught me certain leg locks. He was also very clear which ones you need to let go early or not do till you and your partner know what to do.

Wow, I needed to hear this.

JJ gave the exact same reason as why you don't show chokes and armbars in judo to kids until they are passed orange belts (and have yrs of training) usually around green or blue. Keeping a portion of the game away at the beginning helps develop the basics better.

I think there should be special seminar for instructors to explain safety and how not to let your students accidentally hurt each other like what Jean said about not letting students do the knee bar until they are blue belt because I did knee bar from first month practicing BJJ

Machado is classy, he is the kind of guy to walk across the restaurant and come to your table and say, “Good Evening, I hope your meal is delicious. I just wanted to let you know that I farted over in the NW corner so please avoid. Enjoy your evening.”

@jesstube112781

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that isn't classy considering i'd probably want to hit him in the face if he did that while i'm trying to enjoy a meal.

@R2Rj204

5 жыл бұрын

Irishprick more like assy. Eh?

@randomaccount3365

5 жыл бұрын

@@jesstube112781 Why you getting tough with Machado bro? Hes just tryna be courteous lmao

I want Jean Jaques Machado to read a bedtime story to me

Good advice from a BJJ legend. We used to mess around w heel hooks after class as white belts (lightly) and quickly realized if you roll the wrong way trying to get out, even if the other guy doesn't squeeze, you are probably going to the hospital.

Started BJJ 1,5 years ago and despite the occasional bumps and bruises I love it! In our gym the only leg lock that's allowed to be done to us white belts is the straight ankle lock - it's also the only leg lock white belts are allowed to do given that you know what you're doing execution and defense wise. I like it as I've had some success with it in sparring! That being said I'm preeeetty sure there are white belts (including myself) who have had to tap to a heel hook.. :S Not sure if this "gym code" or rule is universal or why people do that, especially to lower belts. Not saying it happens often but it has happened. I personally tap right away if I even see someone go for a heel hook or some other complicated leg lock that I don't know much about - no way I'm playing that Palhares game this early lol.

@adamzoubi96

4 жыл бұрын

We have the same rules in my gym but we don't do any heel hooks at all in my gym. I remember a guy once simulated the heel hook on me but didn't go for it, he just got the position and left it.

@MrDanilloD2

2 жыл бұрын

Tha Palhares game kkkkkkk good one

@TheAngryyTroll

11 ай бұрын

@TwerkFTCknown leg destroyer google him

Damn...he is so smart. Very articulate

Rickson Gracie and then there is Jean Jacques Machado. Love listening to these guys stories on the history and there wisdom on Jiu Jiu Jitsu. Jean Jacques Machado is such an inspiration in both ability and wisdom.

Been there! When i was training the most in my early 20s (late 90s to early 00s) as a white belt, i got caught in a heel hook and was too late to tap. Hurt my knee pretty bad and wasnt back 100% until after a year.

@grongrivreus

4 жыл бұрын

Happened the same to me rolling as a white belt against another white belt and somehow he locked me in a leg lock.. lucky for me than next to me a purple belt tap him for me saying to him that it was illegal as I didn't know what he was doing .. I finished with a very sore knee..

@philmitchellboxing8661

3 жыл бұрын

@Christian Lopez So you haven't started but you're going to threaten everyone at the academy with a baseball bat on your first class I don't think you'd make a second class to be honest.

@Theirishcannoli

2 жыл бұрын

@Christian Lopez a reputable place wouldn't have white belts even practicing heel hooks. Should be at least a blue belt, in my gym only purple belts can do them

I’m addicted to Jiu jitsu. It’s making this the best summer I’ve ever had

The brand new blue belt who hasn’t finished filling out his retirement papers is the most likely to heel hook you as a white belt.

U should never over extend or over exsurt power in traing learn how before fight. Trainng is more imoprtsnt than fight.

Brilliant argument

Guard retention, escapes from the pins and submission, open guard and passing guard should be learn before maybe any submission technique

My school waits till Blue belt too. The main reason being by the time you tap or feel pain your knee is already fucked

Machado....LEGEND

I agree 100% with him, as a guy who comes from a school that doesn't do any heel hooks and spend much time in the gi, My guard as a white belt is way more developed than blue belts from other schools that focus on leg locks and takedowns. The second you don't give them your legs they fall right in the guard. Also their armbar and triangles suck, it's super easy to escape their upper body submissions and positions. I remember the guy being so impressed with my frames and shrimping, like it's advanced to shrimp in juijitsu

@bane3991

4 жыл бұрын

I have a little bit of a similar experience. A guy I used to train at from my old academy LOVED heel hooks. It was because he was super lazy and didn't want to put the work in passing the guard. But when you roll with him you see that's all he does. So, you have to hide your legs pretty much(I have no idea how to escape leg locks and I been training for a while so this is what I do). You can tell when they're going for legs before they even do it, you wait until that moment and you can sweep him/end up on top since they have to drop back and you're safe since you hid your legs. It comes down to just fighting to hide them and you're at the advantage when you do this. It's easier for you to hide them than it is for him to get to them. For him, I just waited for him to go for it until I got the timing to just spring up. He was better than me at the time but didn't train much and was poorly conditioned. I was very well conditioned and trained very consistently. So he got tired quick and the moment I got the advantages, he quit mid roll because he said he was tired. Who quits mid roll? You keep going until the buzzer goes off. He's a lazy sack of shit. I say sack of shit because he couldn't leg lock me so he elbowed and kneed me in the head on purpose a couple times in 1 roll. I'm not dissing leg locks or anything, but a lot of people who do it constantly are just trying to get cheap quick victories instead of actually learning jiu jitsu. It's like constantly trying for the armbar on the upper body but ignoring any other pathways to other submissions and giving up dominant positions to try for some radical armbar.

@bane3991

4 жыл бұрын

@Ethan Seal It's an ego thing. They want to win at all costs but don't want to put the work in. So they try being sneaky because winning is the only thing that matters to them. In the long term it's a detriment because other people will be working hard and they will be better over the long haul.

I’m 26. Summer of grad school. Doing 10th planet jiu jitsu almost everyday. This martial art is improving my life big time

Literally my first day as a student, they had me practicing heel hooks. My instructor apologized at least 10 times and there's a very good reason for that. Luckily I was rolling with another white belt and was able to get a grasp on it without being mangled. But that is an exception, you should never start of with anything leg related. However the higher tier practitioners thought it was hilarious lol.

@billphillips7830

3 жыл бұрын

You didn't really need to say literally.

@mattrange2126

2 жыл бұрын

@@billphillips7830 thanks for that mate

@Patrick_919

Жыл бұрын

Oh God, that gym sounds terrifying. I'm amazed no one (that you mentioned) was injured. My gym prohibits leg locks for anyone under a brown belt. I'm pretty sure heel hooks specifically are prohibited for everyone.

@davidinawe791

Жыл бұрын

"Luckily I was rolling with another white belt". Sounds far more dangerous to me

@Secure_Mental

Жыл бұрын

@@Patrick_919 almost every no gi school teaches leg locks at white or blue belt, different in the gi. From a competition perspective you will lose to blue belts if u wait to learn heel hooks at brown belt.

The only time I ever been injured in BJJ from a submission was from a heel hook. The guy who did it to me didn't let go right away after I tapped and he tugged on it a bit. The range of motion is extremely small for a heel hook and a lot of casual guys training them do not know this. It's like they said, another way too is if you're squirming around to escape like a lot of guys do, you can squirm in deeper and shred your own knee. I think the coach should go over the dangers of heel hooks before he drills them. He should tell you about the short range of motions and not to go crazy when trying to escape. Also, for this reason not to do them on white belts and not have white belts do them when they roll.

@billphillips7830

3 жыл бұрын

Fuck that guy...

@nicholasramirez7322

2 жыл бұрын

Been injured twice this month from leg locks

@nicholasramirez7322

2 жыл бұрын

@LRK20 Slowly healing, it's been 2 months since the incident and I'm not 100% back. Best of luck on your recovery!

@yaboi-km2qn

Жыл бұрын

shouldn't a coach go over the dangers of every submission before they get taught? Like 'if you hold onto a choke for too long the other person will die'.

@bane3991

Жыл бұрын

@ya boi Yes, but the difference with the chokeholds is that the range of motion can't be over extended and it takes a while to go unconscious. Heel hooks come on fast. You don't get 7 seconds before you pass out. You get a centimeter and your knee is damaged. You have little to no time to tap and it can easily by extended passed its limits. And yes, a good coach should and they do but not nearly enough it's often times mentioned off handed and randomly here and there.

God damn I like that guy

Joe “I shave my head because I don’t have time worry about my hair” Rogan

@ryansylvan9277

5 жыл бұрын

Correction. Joe shaves the sides of his head.

@j2323j

5 жыл бұрын

LOL 😀

Heel hook white belts on day 1!

60 year old white belt, 9 months in at a Gracie school. They are just starting to show me leg locks. I am not planning on doing any competitions. My interest is self defense, getting exercise, and having fun with my training buddies. They do tell us over and over and over, not to be a spaz and hurt your training partner. We have such a good group of close friends….everyone is very careful. And as the oldest guy in a school of about 100…if it’s close I TAP IMMEDIATELY. Getting your knee ripped up is not macho.

@evanhoback9338

Жыл бұрын

Ur 60 bjj is not helping u win a fight

@therehastobesomethingmoore

Жыл бұрын

@@evanhoback9338 I currently live in Nicaragua and will be traveling between Mexico and Argentina for the next 4-5 years. I am a good size guy and lift heavy at the gym. One of the most important things while traveling is not looking like a target, and If you see me in person, I don’t. Another important issue is wherever you are abroad, DONT PUNCH A LOCAL. When the cops come you lose. So, will knowing some BJJ help me in a one on one street fight ? Neither one of us know that. Does rolling keep someone in great shape…u bet your ass it does ! So for me it is a win win. And wherever you are, you get to know some of the toughest local guys at the BJJ school…..nice benefit.

Your game only improves once you understand concepts related to lower body pummeling

Leg locks made me stop doing Jiu Jitsu. Purple belt. Decided it wasn't worth getting permanently injured to enjoy a physical activity. A lot of guys are buffoons and have absolutely no control over their own body. If your gym does leglocks, you've seen knee injuries. Why should that be cool in a casual BJJ environment? Pros should learn leg locks, amateurs shouldn't.

@rollinOnCode

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear you quit. Definitely should have base leglock knowledge but i agree a lot of time amateurs should avoid leglock - once understand it then you can play it more safely

Im hopefully getting blue in a year or so and i have a little leglock seasoning to my game but thats only bc i love butterfly so much. The complex shit im saving for later bc i still suck at passing guard

I feel so amature watching this god!

I'm a simple man, I see Joe and Jean Jacques, I press like

I think it should be purple belt

True Professor!!!!

I’m a white belt and in all honesty my leg locks are the second best part of my game. But I’m also good at side control and knee on belly. I mean if you fuck up your shoulder your shoulder is never going to act the same. People need to know when to tap, or how to properly get out. Also I never heel hook other white belts

Toe locks are killers...

My gym wont let you do heel hooks until blue belt but you can drill certain foot locks like straight foot locks i think thats the best way

@bear5945

2 жыл бұрын

Machado gym?

Oh they are not bullshitting about Danaher and his obsession with legs. I just started training bjj. My instructor is a Danaher black belt. First day of class I learned how to easily escape any body triangle and how to do/defend leg locks I’ve never even seen or heard of before. Now if only I knew the fundamentals to get me into these positions. I’d be a bad man lol

I agree with Jean Jacque 1000% people are so good at leg locks and there guards are so amazing today that there passing lacks and submissions from top position aren’t all that great unless they have a body type that fits that style one guy who has an excellent passing game but isn’t some hulking guy is Damian Maia sure he’s an mma guy but often times it doesn’t benefit you to play guard in mma (even though Maia has a great guard obviously).

@BuggyChokeTheWorld

2 жыл бұрын

This why Gordon Ryan is so successful because is leg locks are both an attack but an escape from mounts but his passing is arguably better than his leg locking and I’d argue Craig Jones is a better leg locker than Gordon but Gordon has so many goddamn tools

100% it’s a long term lifestyle

He's right about leg locks... I just been to a no gi comp where I watched 2 teens vs 2 teens in a tag team match. One side destroyed the other guys knees with no chance to tap....

@robbybee70

3 жыл бұрын

that sucks

Answered your own questions Joey

My friend and I got Danahers leg lock series and started practicing. We were taking it easy, real easy and really couldn't feel if they were on but we didn't want to take any risks so we chilled. 2 days later both our knees were a little fucked and we couldn't train for a week... Thats when I realised this whole leg lock thing is a bit fucked up...

@stupidandboot4507

3 жыл бұрын

Shoulda practiced with a higher belt

@billphillips7830

3 жыл бұрын

@@stupidandboot4507 woulda made no difference...

@stupidandboot4507

3 жыл бұрын

@@billphillips7830 well I've got pretty busted up knees, had to get surgery on them even and they still give me pain every waking second yet I didn't get any injuries when my instructor was teaching us knee bars and straight ankles. How much experience did yall have at the time?

*Ric Flare enters the chat

Leg lock hurts like a mofo. If your tapping from a leg lock good chance you're already injured (how injured is the main question)... White belts giving leg locks to each other is the worst!

Someone give Oswaldo Fadda his respect

I wonder if being able to knee and head stomp grounded opponents in MMA would affect people like Ryan Hall. He's so good at entering through fakes tho.

@adamelizondo6203

4 жыл бұрын

NaruIchiLuffy grapplers are cushioned in mma. If someone is shooting and putting their head downwards it’s illegal to hit the back of the head. I believe that should be a punishment for shooting.

@ficedulamortis6434

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Elizondo mate you're not very bright. A boxer was literally hospitalized and his life was ruined because of punches to the back of the head. They don't stop fights, all they do is damage the person after the fight

@ficedulamortis6434

4 жыл бұрын

NaruIchiLuffy go watch Shinya Aoiki in Pride. Honestly stomps were only effective if the guy was in turtle, or wasn't good against heel hooks. If you miss your stomp, or only stomp the chest there's a high chance you're gonna say bye to your knee

@trevorb2093

4 жыл бұрын

@@ficedulamortis6434 Mate a kick that lands the right way could cause brain damage, just like a flying knee or an elbow, its mma. Its a dangerous sport, boxing is different, its just one aspect of fighting.

Best advice is too tap before he starts turning your ankle is not worth being injured

I learnt it the first class.

My brother doesnt tap in a leg lock and it pisses me off i am trying to explain to him that when it hurts its way to fucking late but he is so blockheaded that he thinks i am trying to make him tapeven tho i dont have dominant position

Leg locks are sick! But you gotta learn it even to protect yourself from it!

if you get a leglock.. just dont crank on it like crazy.. take a look at the person and hold the sub .. he will realise that he has to tap .. no one get hurt.. in training who care if you tap

much like to learn proper takedowns, you want to take out chokes to remove the fear of shooting for them

@francodominguez9139

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

@billphillips7830

3 жыл бұрын

Its the injury implications and time off the mat for the injured that is the issue...

I don’t let white belts heel hook me. Leg lock and bars are fine bc i feel the pressure. but some of these white belts man they do not understand how powerful it is. not to mention it’s the only move they do and usually attempt it within 30 seconds of match start.

Woah man

I love legs locks. But I’m super cautious who I do it on because most people don’t know how to escape properly.

@andrewfrey5562

4 жыл бұрын

Thats the whole thing. It doesn't matter the belt level of the person learning but properly teaching both sides, the giver and the recipient, of how to move forward from a position. My gym teaches leg locks earlier than what is agreed on here but it is emphasized greatly not only when to know to tap but also when you get the position to let the other person know they are tapped or to at least be gentle there and if you lose it just keep working on other stuff. I also go to a small gym where the coaches know the class very well. What is dangerous is saying this is a heal hook, be careful.

@robbybee70

3 жыл бұрын

it's not even that they don't know which is the issue, it's that they think they will intuit their way out of it! damnit if it was intuitive we wouldn't spend years learning to do it! I used to tell everyone with a white belt on, if you don't KNOW the escape for sure, just tap THAT'S your escape for six months

Did leg locks from day 1. It's as natural as breathing now. Never suffered any long term injury. Teach them and proper defense.

I think Ryan Hall as soon as I see leglock

i started in purple belt, my first mestre seeing i am a short guy told me "from here (purple) i wanna see you till black belt snaping that toe hold you pull on everyone like lighting" , i am a black belt now, and i almost think to myself when i am rolling "don´t do your toe hold, feels like you are cheating" lol.

My 1st. week in BJJ, we drilled a leg lock. I was out for 4 weeks.

@robbybee70

3 жыл бұрын

different school might be better

@robbybee70

3 жыл бұрын

@Christian Lopez it'd be potentially ok if it was a straight ankle lock or if his partner had some idea what they were doing, but the end result indicates to me they had no idea all around what to do with leg locks

@robbybee70

3 жыл бұрын

@Christian Lopez most I would say

My “friend” leg locked me twice and was grabbing my pants to set it up. I was going easy on him. Why the fuck do they teach that technique to people with anger issues.

I had a white belt do I heel hook on me when I was also a white belt. It hurt my knee for 6 months, fortunately nothing long term. I totally agree that white belts shouldn’t learn them. They don’t have the control yet.

I completely agree you don't learn to become a racer car driver without learning how to drive first. The problem is there are soo many bjj schools now that a lot of them go unchecked, where people are learing about moves too soon and move up in belts when they shouldn't be moving up yet.

If I were to train for health benefits, I would have done Yoga. If I were to be big, I would have gone for bodybuilding. If wanted to be strong, I would have gone for powerlifting or strongman. If I wanted to be dangerous, I would have trained in martial arts.

@robbybee70

3 жыл бұрын

I did all of that but not sure if I wound up any of those options

in a self defence or mma context, is a leg lock even possible? I would imagine the opponent would kick really hard before they would allow you to get hold of their leg

@Rgrb1921

3 жыл бұрын

Google Ryan hall please

@ricksterdrummer2170

2 жыл бұрын

I once saw a Judo black belt get assaulted. He got the guy down and did like a single leg Boston Crab (I don’t remember the correct name). Later that night I asked him about it and he said it’s a great technique because he didn’t have to go to the ground and he could easily let go in case there were multiple opponents. So it’s definetly possible!

I understand where he is coming from learning leglocks too early can make you a one trick pony without developing the mount back side control or half guard first

That's the same way we teach white belts. They learn more effective techniques as they get higher up. You have white belts judo throwing each other and they go splat

Had this happen where this fuckn purple belt had a brand new white belt in a straight ankle lock. The poor guy tried to yank it out and fuckn busted his ankle in the process. Jean Jacques is right. White belts should know defense only.. but should not actively do this on each other

Before you can learn the karate, you must wax Miyagi's car....

I have torn cartilage my knee. Only thing a doc can do is shoot it up with cortison.

Are no gi schools more likely to leg lock?

Screw knee lock and leg locks

the only thing that is dangerous is the ego

because leg locks look cool as shit

@adamkeylon2194

5 жыл бұрын

It'd just smart. Especially with all these fuckers who want ro pull guard off the bat. I transitioned form Wrestling all my life to BJJ...was confused when everyone pulled guard immediately after they knew I coukd take them down easily. So I learned heel hooks, leg locks, toe holds, etc. But some guys would have too much pride. Ripped one guys knee apart because he tried to roll the wrong way out of it, blue belt. great guy, just didn't know. And since then, I let go if they fight it. I don't want to hurt my training partner.

I got heelhooked in a private sparr, with a guy i always was very nice with, i always treat him like my little brother and was nice to him, and that moment we rolled and my legs presentd him for a heelhook( with my body on the floor and my legs on the couch btw) and he fked up my right knee so bad. It was 2017 and my knee is never the same since then. Meniskus tear, patella tear, i cant tun i cant do any sports anymore, just physio therapy since then. I had to break contact cause honestly i want to kill him since then. He squeezed like there is no tomorrow even i always watvhed out to not hurt him... I mounted him 10 times out of 10 when we sparred, never did a single damage other than positional domination, and slap punching, and this one time i tried something else( wanted to ankle pick him) and this time he hurt me bad. Lesson- never train sith morons. And if you do- HURT them before they can hurt you.

@adamkeylon2194

4 жыл бұрын

This is why he is saying he doesn't want to teach leg locks to newbs. Rolling in and of itself is an art. Jusy like sparring. With experience comes control.

@parms350

4 жыл бұрын

there are some experienced guys at my gym that just dont have control. all ego. i just tap the second the touch my ankle. no trust at all. personally i think leg locks should be implemented when you mastered all the other submissions imo. imagine a leglocker that cant pass guard lol.

@adamkeylon2194

4 жыл бұрын

@@parms350 Very good point. Gonna try their best to rip your shit apart lmao.

@backbone93

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamkeylon2194 yes in my jiu jitsu class they told me as well my trainer said( no heel hooks before black belt" But thats a problem imo, i wanted to make my first fight 2018 and i had no time doing my blackbwlt until then, sp i HAD TO practice heel hooks basically, do you want to go in a mma fight with a guy in 2018 and dont know anything about heel hooks? Thats not an Option for me. I need to know everything always, either how to pull it off or how to avoid getting it locked in...

@backbone93

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamkeylon2194 but for sure i should have not trained with a moron, even i liked this moron.

That last sentence makes total sense. In a street fight you can get your face punched if you're trying to do a foot lock. Not saying it can't work, but it's high risk, especially if you're on the ground. Self defense jiu jitsu over sports jiu jitsu any day of the week for me.

@bruno4299

6 ай бұрын

If someone can reach your face in a leg lock, you are doing something wrong.

Truth be told. Leg locks really only work when everyone is playing by “jiu jitsu” rules. I personally would never attempt a leg lock in a street fight for a variety of reasons. You’re better off trying to keep top position than risking it by pulling some type of goofy guard on concrete and going for a leg lock.

@adamkeylon2194

4 жыл бұрын

That's why I never go for them unless purely BJJ guys pull guard on me since I'm a Wrestler. They learn I am better at takedowns and pull guard...so then I hit leg locks and shit. But I still will let go if I feel I'm about to rip their shit apart and they keep fighting it. Rolling is not life or death. So, I don't want ro hurt them at any cost just for the win.

@Syrpens

4 жыл бұрын

If you try to leg lock a really good wrestler in a street fight they’re going to pick you up and slam you harder than you thought possible.

@adamkeylon2194

4 жыл бұрын

@@Syrpens Yeah, one reason why if I could only pick 1 art to learn for fighting...it'd be Wrestling. I am biased because I started in Wrestling and it's my first love, but I believe it truly is the best thing to know.

@rackembarry

3 жыл бұрын

yeah top position above all, but def dont discount leglocks in a street fight...have seen plenty examples of street fights being ended by a leglock.

They need to ban them. Will all the submissions out there there's no reason to risk them.

Tap on tightness not pain or it’s fucking gg

Two types of BJJ practitioners. Those who roll with leg locks and those who don't have knee surgery.

@ficedulamortis6434

4 жыл бұрын

I've rolled without leg locks for the majority of my time training, and I still need knee surgery haha. I only started leg locks recently when I started NoGi

@robbybee70

3 жыл бұрын

to be fair you can damage your knees without leg locks

What if someone in Brazil leglocks me on the street and I couldn’t defend because I didn’t learn it yet because I’m only a year in

@hantzleyaudate7697

5 жыл бұрын

Roll right?

@hantzleyaudate7697

5 жыл бұрын

*breaks knee*

@Ruizg559

5 жыл бұрын

Don't be silly, no ones going leg lock you in Brazil... just shot or stabbed or macheted 😁

@MrTiton536

5 жыл бұрын

datDANK you are more likely to get shot in Brazil then leg locked lol

@match6800

5 жыл бұрын

datDANK punch them

If you dont teach leglocks then they are becoming dangerous, same with takedowns, at my academy we do one Day wrestling without sparring one Day Just sparring and one day leglocks drills and technique than a Little sparring, nobody is getting hurt and even white belts know leglocks and counters to them, no heelhooks though unless u both agree upon that before rolling

#1

Looking back it was a mistake to learn leglocks right off the bat. I had an affinity for leglocks and triangles and back then in the mid 2000s when I had competed as a white belt, heel hooks were allowed! Too many knee and ankle injuries between blue belts and white belts in practice and competition.

@WhiskeyToro

5 жыл бұрын

Heel hooks...nasty. I was new to BJJ 5 years back, and was constantly getting my ass handed to me by the more experienced people when we'd roll..I started working on leg locks--and worked on heel hooks. Finally locked one in on a purple belt and he tapped immediately. He was pretty upset, but they reminded him that if a white-belt was able to get him into that, he needed to train harder.

@robbybee70

3 жыл бұрын

it's like learning how to start a fire, but not learning how too put it out

Machados for life Gracie who ?

The only reason people roll the wrong direction and rip their own knee off is because schools won't teach them and won't permit them to practice leg locks. The effort to make leg locks a taboo is precisely what makes leg locks more dangerous. There's nothing inherently safe about chokes either because if you hold on too long the person dies. If you crank an arm or shoulder hard and fast during training, the person gets a serious arm or shoulder injury. If you Yank a neck crank hard and fast, a person could get paralyzed from the neck down. But these things generally don't happen because students are taught how to react when defending and how not to yank and cause an instant injury that isn't reversible.

@af4396

11 ай бұрын

Sorry, that's a dumb argument. 1) People need some time to learn how to move, and most importantly, learn how to overcome automatic reactions (like not turning your back to your opponent). 2) Comparing chokes is absolutely stupid, as even a double blood choke takes over a minute, in most cases, to start causing brain damage, let alone death. You'd be passed out long before then, usually under 10 seconds if it's on properly. 3) It takes a lot more motion and force to injure the elbow and shoulder, and the defenses are a lot more straight forward and natural, and there is a significant amount of pain before real damage is done. 4) Neck cranks shouldn't be allowed, and aren't usually allowed for lower level belts, just like leg locks, and for good reason. 5) Aside from the neck/spine, no other injury as as devastating as taking out your "tree trunks" and affecting your walking and stability for the rest of your, possibly, long life. Turning the wrong way, as the victim, can easily injure your knee, even if it's momentary lapse of judgement or reaction in the heat of sparring. If that happens with an armbar, it would literally take more force to get a baby hyperextension that heals in 2 weeks than it would take to tear your ACL.