I was at a mega church for a while and I wasn’t growing spiritual. I wasn’t learning anything, I started going to another church that was smaller and I learned more in a month there than years at the other.

@keblute

2 жыл бұрын

Yeap

@dougfredricks2017

11 ай бұрын

It is Better to trust in the Lord as God does Not dwell in handmade temples. Verse >> Psalms 118:8-9 KJV 🙏🙏

@clouds-rb9xt

11 ай бұрын

@@dougfredricks2017Wherever 3 are gathered in His Name, he is there.

When the Lord say so

I left the church and I am feeling better. I read my bible, pray, and worship the Lord at home. I have started attending a weekday bible study which is really good. But that is all I can handle for now.

@benredeemed7204

6 жыл бұрын

here's a good one I stream on sundays at 11 and 6 and Wednesdays at 7.. I click on 10 minutes before.. a video pops up at first .. just "x" out of it.. its an older sermon...it's a good church. I don't feel like i'm forsaking the assembly this way.. take care friend www.thelionofjudah.org/

@Mikey-gi9im

5 жыл бұрын

Don't leave the church.

When there is obvious control and manipulation, spiritual and/ or emotional abuse, obviously physical abuse, worship and celebration of leaders instead of God, when the leaders beg for money all the time and tell you you're sick/ have cancer/ have financial troubles because God's punishing you for not giving enough money, when the leaders tell people to stop talking to you from the pulpit, when leaders talk trash about former members from the pulpit, when there's a lot of gossip there, when you dread going and you don't know why but God is trying to show you it's time to go.

@eddiedindial7805

2 жыл бұрын

So true

@lesliechapman6040

2 жыл бұрын

True. I was blocked from commenting on my church videos. At no time was I made aware of why. I sent multiple inquiries but it took over a week to get a response as to why. To be able to comment again, I have to promise to "play nice" so no one gets a bad impression!!! As if threatening me is "playing nice" not to mention giving up my rights to free speech!! What kind of church leaders do this. By the way, I was just supposed to confess by default with no proof presented!!! Time, I think, to move on.

@1LovedbyHim

Жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness, I felt like I wrote this comment! All of this and more has been happening and honestly it’s time. I believe God allowed me to experience this for that very reason. I’m trusting him to open up a door to the right place of worship where he wants me.

@dgh5223

7 ай бұрын

This is exactly what my pastor is doing and so we are leaving this little church after 21 years. 😢 Pastor only been there 3 years. A few others have left already.

As a divorced, single man, I find myself unwelcome in any church I attend. When I was married and raising a family, I attended the same church for 17 years. It seems that people consider men to be players, looking for a girl or they just don't want any new people. I went to one church where no one spoke to me for the entire month I attended. The coldness in many Christians is hard to believe.

@enen2773

5 жыл бұрын

Bruce G. Oh no. I am in the exact same situation right now. I am also a single mom. After God he saved my life through the broken marriage he called me to the church to make me worship him. but the people were rejected me and are still rejecting me. I think they are thinking the way what you said. I know what is the meaning of Dunamis. So I stayed and endured this sinners until now. But now it is enough. I am very hurted by these people and this is not true. Jesus died and saved my life with his blood. Treat me in their way is also means they treating Jesus same. I endured two years and now I am about to live this church.

@Mikey-gi9im

5 жыл бұрын

God will lead you to the right place

@ranyadhellecabahug2702

2 жыл бұрын

that's 'coz many Christians these days are entitled. And I feel you

@bruceg.6282

2 жыл бұрын

@@enen2773 right now I am not attending church at all. The people are basically a mirror of the Church at Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-19). All is well and good, driving luxury cars, wearing designer clothes. But how many boats and yachts sit idle at the docks? I live very close to the water in VB, VA and in the Chesapeake Bay and Atlantic Ocean I see very few in the water. And it's the middle of the summer. I've been a Christian 42 years and have a fair knowledge of the Word, but I can't share it. Keep your chin up, enen. Love the Lord, pray and read your Bible. Witness in the Grocery store. James Earl Jones will even read it to you. Find it on your phone. Be one of the ten Virgins who kept her lamp filled! And I will pray for you.

I left an SBC church after 25 years because I wasn’t “mature” enough spiritually and was treated like a second class person. I was raised and baptized/confirmed in another faith that apparently wasn’t recognized by the Baptist church. I had intended to get baptized by “dunking” at some point but when they began to subtly shun me, I had no desire. I walked away and am content in the Episcopal Church, very much accepted.

I was getting feelings for my pastor... It was definitely time to leave... Temptation was getting overwhelming and I was no longer there for God but for him

The answer is anytime you need too, you do not need " permission" from anyone else to leave anyone or anything that could be harmful to you or your mental health.

@abeekuworldchanger380

3 жыл бұрын

Also, if you're in a church where you're not growing. Of course it should be taken to God first but I left my Church during the pandemic because I needed more in my faith and it seems the church wasn't really going anywhere. Sometimes God tells us to leave to go somewhere that we are needed.

@2doright647

2 жыл бұрын

@Ceed No it wouldn't. I would have run , not walked.

@ranyadhellecabahug2702

2 жыл бұрын

I've been looking for the right videos that have the same thoughts you just typed in this comment, glad I saw it.

People are tired of being patronized. They're tired of being treated like children who need to be told what to do 24/7. The Bible says that all members of the body of Christ are given gifts for mutual edification. Where does every other member of the Body exercise those gifts? Certainly not in church. The pastor preaches a sermon and the rest of us do nothing. We don't know and don't care for each other and we all look at the stage for this "anointed sermon" while the rest of us atrophy. This can go on for decades. All we have left is this pile of rules and regulations and Christians that don't grow because they can't use their gifts.

@anap.117

2 жыл бұрын

yup, that's part of the problem sadly

@user-ii4hr2mt6o

21 күн бұрын

I agree with you 🙂 I left a church due to being ignored, not loved, respected and NOT being able to use my gifts God has blessed me with 😭 They preached God's word, yet, they don't practice what was " taught"! 😡 Praying that I will find a true,real church, with true,real Christians! 😡🙏😇💕

As a preacher and pastor I feel the only time to leave a church is after prayer and fasting we shouldn't stay in the church because it's where we've always been we should staying at church because God has something for us to do their or to glean from when the season is over and God wants us to move we need to be willing to move we are the bride of Christ not the Bride of a specific Church

I'm a Christian and I've NEVER understood what's to problem switching churches, our commitment is to God and not a pastor. If I move too far to drive why not go to a closer church ??? someone please EXPLAIN it to me, I can't recall seeing anywhere in scripture i need to stay at a certain location,I view it as just a tithing issue and pastors don't want to lose your money.

@onlineversion

4 жыл бұрын

I see it as cultish... not necessarily a cult but churches have cult like tendencies they're either aware or unaware of. They want you learning from them only, yadeya, etc. That's why many churches have membership. It's like you've sworn to serve that church and be under their authority when growing in your faith and if you're really good (any of these --- a good Christian, knows the Bible, smart, good looking, talented, hard working always volunteering your time at the church, gives a lot of money, etc.) they don't want you at another church. Because you being at their church is also how they promote their church, in a sense "look at us we're a great church that's why we have this person here or look what kind of people we have in our church", even if they like you or not. Also, many churches operate like a business, their members are treated like consumers. That's why they hate it when a member leaves and I've heard before so and so church "stole" our members. Almost as devastating as when State Farm loses you as a customer to Geico. And if you ever go back, they think it proves that they are better or that they are correct.

@yolisamrso9827

Жыл бұрын

As long as you let the pastor know of your move that will be showing kindness and honour.

I spent three years asking God about leaving my last church. I finally decided to leave after my wife passed away last January after ten years of being called lazy, deceitful, and learning that the pastor has a network of informants within his church spying on people, especially those of us deemed "unreliable, divisive, or too negative." I left without talking to the leadership because it would be denied anyway and I left without explanation to anyone.

@jt3409

Ай бұрын

Apostate churches controlling under the guise of Rome, seeking to replace the leading of the Holy Spirit with false apostles. Thank God for your exit 🙏🏾🙌🏽

In my case, my church doesn't really teach anything. Almost never talked about anything doctrinal, preach almost the same thing just different title for weeks, and the congregation, especially the youth, don't really have a good doctrinal knowledge and foundation of faith. I tried to talk about it, I even left the youth group because there's no change, the pastors are just too lazy to do something. I don't feel I can grow. I'm still weighing whether I should move from my local church or not. It pains me to see how my local church is right now.

@sandigrace2271

2 жыл бұрын

That's so sad. I do know how you feel. Maybe you could pray about leading a class. Sometimes, seeing a lack or need is an invitation or urging by God to step into that void. Not sure if this is the case in your situation, but that's where prayer comes in. Blessings Dear brother.

I believed that church membership was like marriage, you stayed unless there was infidelity. I left a church after 40 years because of the way they choose to rid themselves of the pastor of 21 years. Let's say it was not biblical. I didn't ever believe I would leave but I knew if I stayed I would have caused trouble. I couldn't deal with things. Now I see the Lord used this to move me. I'm in the right place. I hope God is using me where I am.

If your pastor or elder behaves in a sexually inappropriate way towards you or someone else - it's time to go. Protect yourself.

Yes be slow to judge Be slow to change Be slow to anger But very quick to forgive

I am a musician and a part of the multimedia team in our local church and I've been thinking of leaving my church, and today I have decided to do it finally. The reason behind it is that I don't sense belongingness to the people in our church, they barely notice the work I did. One time I saw a picture of my friend and the leaders celebrating my friend's first time preaching and I felt left out. When I first stand in front of the congregation to play guitar for Jesus and to usher them and when I spend 8 hours creating a poster for our church, nobody see that I am tired. One time one of our leaders said, "More of Him, less of us", I felt that and continued to fight my desire to leave but today that desire is gone. I am 18 yrs old still studying, I sacrificed some of my study hours and family hours to contribute to the church. I prayed a lot and tried to fight my desire to leave the church for months and tomorrow is my last Sunday in the church, Sept 11, 2022, and I will return the guitar I borrowed to them … I will still continue my Christian journey, It' has been a good 3 years to be part of the church.

@gaile8838

Жыл бұрын

I felt the pain there cause we're both in the same situation. When I first played the guitar during praise and worship, no one congratulated me. When I first start to lead praise and worship during service, they did not even said a single thing. I just hope I could still stay despite not being acknowledged most of the time.

@arabilethabang1157

Жыл бұрын

@@gaile8838 The God is the one to appreciate or reward you whenever you see ur hard work, if people give you praise then there's a possibility that God won't reward you bcz people gave u 1.

@mikeheath8318

Жыл бұрын

I think you are wise to leave, but I think your motives are wrong. You should go back to the Bible and ask yourself what a church really is. The model is in the New Testament. Once you understand this then you will know what to do next.

@ogbeideeromosele9328

Жыл бұрын

@Going Back, I'll really advice you not to leave, that is a wrong reason to not only be in a local church but leave as well, your acknowledgment should come from Jesus and he is the only one that matters, everyone else should just be on the side, a man of God I honor so much says something; "'the praises and criticism of men should be like chewing gum, chew it and spit it out, never swallow"'

Whenever you see fit or when God tells you to. It's your choice, no one else's.

@mikeheath8318

Жыл бұрын

How do you supose God is going to tell you this?

If there is abuse and cover-up, enabling the abuser you need to leave!

This is golden advice. Thank you!!

I had to leave because doctrines. When pastor believes gold dust on floor it's God's presence that is alert. Same as making a women a pastor because she is daughter of pastor. Then use scripture to justify it but leave out all scripture the holy spirit spoke thru apostle Paul about order of worship and church leadership. I switched from independent assembly of God word of faith to a baptism church. The teaching was Christ centered and was pleasant to my spirit. Word of Faith is me centered and they never teach about living for Jesus. My wife is still attending word of faith. I told her to get out. They teach Hersey and allow blasphemy against holy spirit by claiming gold dust is of God. We are in last days.

Definitely leave a church that is spiritually abusive. I would also add that a church that does not believe in purposeful, intentional discipleship is one to leave because that church culture is not interested in Gods agenda.

@strongbada.4709

3 жыл бұрын

@Ceed before leaving, maybe you should ask someone in leadership about why they started playing that music and/or the Disney characters issue as mascots. See what they say. If they have actual solid, biblical reasons then maybe rethink leaving. I don’t think those things in and of themselves is a reason to leave a church, especially if you have solid Christian relationships there. However, if these things are indications of a deeper issue then you may have a problem. If these things indicate that the church leadership is watering down the gospel (salvation by grace alone through faith in Christ alone) I would definitely start looking for a church that preaches what Jesus preached, repent for the kingdom of God is near, and makes disciples of Jesus.

Thank you Dr. Thomas Schreiner!

This is SO good, thank you!

This was right to the point and helpful.

My Baptist church kicked me out cause I wanted to talk about the end times and they didn't want to. They were pre trib and I was post trib pre wrath and I wanted to talk about it, but instead the very first thing they said was I was unteachable. So much for talking about it.

@3M1LY4EV3R

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you even worry about it. We have a commandment to stay awake and always ready, no commandment to know more than that.

@TheFrigginDevil

2 жыл бұрын

@@3M1LY4EV3R 2nd Timothy 2:15 KJV 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. We're also commanded to study.

@3M1LY4EV3R

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFrigginDevil , change your KZread name before even talking about God.

@TheFrigginDevil

2 жыл бұрын

@@3M1LY4EV3R no you.

@3M1LY4EV3R

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFrigginDevil , my name was given to me by my parents. Mr. Frigging Devil, who is your father? I can guess from your last name.

Very helpful, thank you!

I had to leave a church because there was a lot of politics in the leadership. Spiritually i had no issues in fact that is where i learnt prayer , fasting and all night vigils but i came to a point where i sensed that the church as a whole was going nowhere. And yes there were some doctrinal errors too. Even at local level we seemed to be doing the same things we were not progressing in terms of teaching and advancing with technology (I'm a huge tech guy). As an individual i felt i could do more to help but i was not getting the opportunity to do so. I felt unappreciated, there was no room for my gifts so i knew it was time up. When i joined the new church i was received as though i had been a son for many years. I immediately made new friends and started serving soon after. I have since moved but everytime i travel to my home church I always feel welcome. A few years after I left that church a huge leadership wrangle broke out and there were divisions in the church. That is a lot to share on a public platform!

@funmiladeetimiri5613

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Frank, thanks for this I am in the same boat and after praying, I have had 4 dreams about God telling me also that time is up, just a few questions. How did you leave your old church , did you talk to leadership did you explain why you was leaving and if so, how did they take it ? Bless you 🙏🏼

@abeekuworldchanger380

3 жыл бұрын

Wow that's tough. Went through similar experiences. Its tough now with covid cause I don't have motivation to go back to a church building. It's strange . I got more out of my small group than I did on Sunday messages or the young adults ministry I served at. Church leadership is the worst. A lot of things about my church were good, but the leadership. Especially as a greeter. The one lady wouldn't even acknowledge your presence there. I observed her, she was always looking busy. And some of them when they talk to you, the conversations feel plastic.

The spirit of religion is the greatest enemy of the body of Christ.

@genesis8550

Жыл бұрын

Definitely true

When u miss a sermon. When u sick or something else. Than sending you msgs saying I'm been unfaithful to GOD.. really upset me... I just tink that church is to quiet .. so I v decided to seek new fellowship

Dear sir thanks a lot. Useful info

This has helped me so much.

Is it really changing churches if we're all a part of the kingdom? It's good to have close relationships with a group of brothers and sisters in Christ, but aren't we free to roam the kingdom and encourage all who are Christ lovers and strive towards unity?

@Villagenanny

5 жыл бұрын

Kingdomgirl 3333 Great point. We should be...

@zoeboy84

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I thought about that too. The enemy loves to segregate us even in the churches. I think we are more Fanatics about the church rather really building a Relationship with Jesus.

@jtaylor2379

5 жыл бұрын

It should be worded, "changing the local fellowship that you attend." Because we, the body of Christ, in fact are the church. Not the location or building. We should be part of some local fellowship though in order to build relationships and work out spiritual gifts and have accountability in our Christian walk. Visiting different fellowships from time to time isn't a sin. Because we are all one body. But how can we be held accountable if we are hoping around. Or better yet be affective. Unless we are called away to missions work or are an evangelist preacher.

@chosenonekay

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I always thought there is ONE body so there should only be ONE church. But I just don’t understand why there is so much division. Then again the enemy causes division… idk something to think abt

When you feel like have to go vs you get to.

TY Sir 🙂

Nice advise

yes definately pray and pray about it first. Ask the Lord to show you what you aren't seeing or focussing on regarding your decision.

I left my Southern Baptist church because the pastor attempted to cover up statutory rape committed against my daughter by an adult member.

when the church teaches things that are CLEARLY contrary to the MAJOR doctrines of the SCRIPTURES

@linkskywalker5417

9 ай бұрын

Bethel and Hillsong are good examples of churches which have significantly deviated from the doctrine of God.

When love goes out the door

@yolisamrso9827

Жыл бұрын

You there to demonstrate that love

@jecos1966

Жыл бұрын

@@yolisamrso9827 Only up to a certain extent especially when they are loveless towards you/me

When they make you feel they don't need you any more after being faithful for many years

@richardbracknell9214

2 жыл бұрын

Know that feeling.

@melinashahi2185

Жыл бұрын

Yeaaa same here

Fear of the Lord and repentance are a must

And one thing I wanted to add Fear God and pleasing him ( check motive with God help )

We've been attending a church where I am beginning 2 feel alienated from. I want 2 attend a church that preach's KJV and not the other predominant versions. There's doctrinal differences lately and although I enjoy the company of majority of Congregants, I'm not feeling fed spiritually...😕😮😕

@kelly4670

6 жыл бұрын

Joann dear joann. Kjv is not the very first translation of the Bible. That's an excuse you are using. There are good translations that aren't kjv. Also some people may need a version that is thought for thought because of educational level. Dont be a Bible snob. Any Bible translation is a good one.

I just left my church of 14 years after someone shared text messages they had been receiving from an elder’s spouse showing they had been stalking and spying on me over a period of months. I tried talking to church leadership, but I was shouted down.

I want new starting, more passion, Ours is a big church but no love rather.............. Please I need prayer, ithink It kept me from growing, i was there from my childhood, got married to same church, my husband was a godly man . I joined one lady group the teacher teacher teaches deeply. No past memories, no baggage please pray that God show me the way😭😭😭😭 It

when you are not happy there leave, and if you feel better not being there then being there , stay away

I think your advice is awesome! However, sometimes when you don't want to move the almighty has a tendency to push you. For anyone that don't know what I mean is sometimes we don't want to step through new doors but yet Yahweh helps us go right through them anyways. A church change is a big thing.

As a believer to me a single person debate with singles self-indulgence/where to find it in the bible A-z resource

Always.!

You leave when your not feeling it simple right. Or even give it a break. Church the building will not define the relationship.

@Mikey-gi9im

5 жыл бұрын

Feelings lie. Be careful.

@Mikey-gi9im

3 жыл бұрын

@Ceed if you feel God wants you to go ahead. If they are promoting satan they aren't of God. Pray and ask God. I would leave

I just wanna be free to love God, I'm loving Jesus, I'm not going to define what I think because I ND to do what they say... The Bible tells us thru grace and the sacrifice of the Lord, thru our hearts ,mind and soul we are saved. Just believe in our sav'ya .

The right time to leave a church is when you witness the Holy Spirit being rejected. Someone may speak a word of prophecy, or speak in other tongues, and this should be welcome in a Spirit-filled Church. If it is treated with contempt or rejected, don't think it doesn't register with God Himself. We reap what we sow especially when we reject the Holy Spirit. Nothing's more devastating to a believer than going through all kinds of fiery trials to have a solid relationship with the Lord, then He leads them to speak something by the power of the Holy Spirit and it's rejected. Wait to see if there's any repentance but if there is just continual rejection of the things of the Holy Spirit, apostasy is somewhere in the future. Pray for them all as you quietly walk out the door and find a Spirit-led fellowship elsewhere.

Well I always think that this just one way to separate Christians and be scattered and to preach the word in other places. Jesus said we are one body with many functions. So even this issue has been happening to the church and it's really sad, but I just think that whenever the believer go, the Lord will prosper.

Ever since I join this new church things have been from good to bad is it enough reason to leave

@valuecalc

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

Shouldn't you be asking God if this is the place that He wants me to be? If not, then where would He like me to go?

When God says so. I've done listening to earthly voices trying to distract me from my purpose. You can listen, pray and discern, but go to God's word. That's the best place to find clarity over your life. Sometimes you have to be careful with church. Especially ministry. I've been used by people in the church for my gifts who never appreciated my time, nor were the connections relational. The institutional church has failed in many aspects in the times we live in today.

@rudybonilla9271

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you need to feel appreciated, if it’s all about people sounds like you made it all about you.

@Cng0411

3 жыл бұрын

@@rudybonilla9271 because some leadership will suck the life out of you (your gift) to keep their church running & going. All while, that individual is struggling mentally, completely broken, they’re considered a “leader” but never even take the time to check on them.

@rudybonilla9271

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cng0411 yes leaders have to know the condition of their people, but when you enter into ministry you have to deny yourself in every way. An effective leader leans on the word of God for answers to their problems which gives a divine enabling. If someone is struggling to the point where it effects the ministry they need to evaluate themselves and see if they need to step down and focus on being in service and getting God involved in their issues.

The leaders always defend their position even when in false doctrine. The simple test is this!! Is what they’re teaching supported by the Word of God? Remember that Jesus himself tells us in his word that Satan is the father of all lying so then if Church leadership is teaching lies for truth then by all means just leave and find a Bible believing Church. Moral unaddressed sin by those in leadership is another good reason to leave You owe no explanation to anyone just go.

Our church teaches salvation can be lost, that I can't agree on. I am a Calvinist in this issue and I beleive in eternal security in finished work of Christ. If I could loose salvation my question would be- what did I do to earn salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For it is by grace(A) you have been saved,(B) through faith(C)-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works,(D) so that no one can boast.(E)

@sandigrace2271

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, most of the groups that teach you must work for your salvation AND/OR can lose your salvation come from the same rotten branch; the Campbellites aka the Restoration Movement of the 1800's. The Campbells thought Jesus lied (though they didn't put it like that). They thought the early church failed, apostacized, and basically disappeared. And they, in 1800's America, came to Restore the church. They ushered in much bad doctrine. They threw out the ancient creeds, purposely forgot/rejected church history, and created a blank slate from which THEY would follow God's Word. But choosing to ignore the history of early church councils where dangerous heresies were exposed and fought, left them open for the same heresies. And so they came. Many cults with their resurrected ancient heresies came either from their ranks or using their ideas: LDS, JW, SDA, Church of Christ, Pentecostals (in 1900's), Christian Science, Scientology, and many varied off-shoots. So you will find some of the same errors running through these otherwise seemingly unrelated groups. Not keeping Jesus in His proper place as God is in many of these groups, along with salvation by works. Even those that have correctly recognized the Trinity in Scripture and the Divinity of our Savior, often still grapple with the sufficiency of Scripture and the efficacy of Christ's saving grace. It's as if the Campbellites gave ground and cover for Arminianism, Gnosticism, Modalism, and other ancient heresies to spread in America; and then (again) worldwide. So if you are in one of these groups, you may find other errors, as well as the one you so rightly identified.

@bryanadriel6036

2 жыл бұрын

@@sandigrace2271 oh thank you sister for this info, I have now changed churches and I have joined a Baptist fellowship, so far I am comfortable at this church.

@sandigrace2271

2 жыл бұрын

@@bryanadriel6036 Wonderful!!! I am very happy for you. God Bless you.

@jmtorres2490

2 жыл бұрын

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, phil 2:12 you can lose your salvation you have to work it out daily. Everyone who says Lord Lord won't enter the kingdom of God

@bryanadriel6036

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmtorres2490 we stop at the 12th verse but when we continue to read we realise that it is not us working, but instead God working through us. Philippines 2:12-13- 12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,(A) 13 for it is God Who Works In You(B) To Will And To Act In Order To Fulfill His Good Purpose.(C) ✌✌

people can leave a church whenever they want.

@nublu6344

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but social stigma,gossiping,It's better never to enter church.its toxic.embrace evolution

@KJ-lb4tj

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that reply. Christendom is not very good at remembering the fundamental truth that we all have freedom of choice. God makes that very clearly a crucial element of faith and life, right from the garden of Eden.

That’s what I’m talking about we supposedly suppose to be one, now I get if God has done things in our life that others may disagree with but if only it’s lines with Gods will and with His Truth then I get it. God reveals who is who but since there is a lot of misleading no one knows how to test those things because they don’t have the right Spirit. But the answer about leaving a church let God remove you. We may not know how He will do it. But that’s why we should be ready in season and out to read those things God is doing.

I have changed churches twice. The reason is that there is really no growth in my early Christian life. The first one is a mega church, and the second one has a woman pastor, and also I noticed that there is really not a lot of activities and thus spiritual growth is stunted. The church I am in really made me and my wife grow spiritually with each member supporting us in different activities, ans most important, prayer.

The thing is, you should be loyal to the truth. the truth comes from the things around you. Reality. If you are in a church, I encourage you to examine your beliefs from the perspective of someone who makes no assumptions about reality beyond what is actually .... well... real. I would also point out that denying the truth of something always have consequences. if not for you, than your children, whom you are likely to leave an impression on, or if not you children, than those who are most close to you. Finally, I encourage you to seek the advise of those whom you most disagree with, and see if their perspective can indeed enrich your own, or if you actually had reason to avoid them in the first place.

@lapisbuterfly

3 жыл бұрын

What if the truth isn't the church

I need advice. My wife and family and I have been going to a particular church for over 15 years. I know the church is God ordained. The pastor preaches truth. Throughout the years, the church was getting smaller and smaller. For a while now, the leadership and members have been gossiping, lying, criticizing, and assuming excessively. They dont talk to us anymore on purpose. My wife always feels discouraged and alone, knowing they think the worst of her. I go for the word, but should I keep attending to that church? Or should I find a new???

@usefulidiom

4 жыл бұрын

Based on what you have said about what's going on there...you and your wife should talk to the leadership about your concerns and if nothing changes it's time to move on. After prayerful consideration of course.

@ColKlink-yh1ro

4 жыл бұрын

John Arevalo pray about leaving , look , find another Pastor and church people . I just did . So can you Brother . Find a good Baptist congregation. And Gods speed . You can even do this without these people . We're just ordinary , God fearing Brothers . You kin do it son .

@subjecttochrist

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you are making one huge assumption: 1. Unless people have told you to your face, that "people" are purposely not talking to you, then prayerfully cancel thoughts that people are talking about you, in Jesus' name, and pray over your wife's heart/mind that they would be guarded in Christ Jesus. This sounds like a statement made from someone who needs to forgive someone else. Often times, when you feel tormented about what others may be thinking (something totally out of your control), it's because you yourself are being unforgiving (it's a paradigm shift), but that's what the bible says, in the parable of the unforgiving servant: the unforgiving one gets tormented in the end.2. After your relationship w/God, your marriage comes next. your marriage and your relationship with God are inextricably linked, as marriage is a picture of Christ and the church. Keep your marriage at the highest priority, thinking of how you can be more like Christ, as a husband: forsaking any form of pride, to do the right thing: sacrificial love. God bless!

@johnarevalo3450

4 жыл бұрын

Thank u all for your advice

@yolisamrso9827

Жыл бұрын

Did you dedicate your time to pray for that church. It seems like your church is under spiritual attack. Intercessors are indeed needed.

Help. At our church we have no friends and have been going 4 years. We are Hispanic in a predominantly white church. Their young adults group is divided in cliques. Outside of the planned events of the church, wife and I don't get invited to anything, I always have to plan something and try to invite people. It's like I have to beg for friends there. Outside of church I have many many friends. I talked to the pastor and he says that I can always hang out with him which he is awesome but come on the age difference and what about my wife you know. Please advise, I want a church that I will feel God's presence and power during worship not a cliquish club. However, everyone there is really kind and loving but from a distance I just don't see God's power there

@mando_apolgetico

2 жыл бұрын

You can leave amicably. Talk to the leaders and tell them your heart. Make sure you tell them its not their teaching or their leadership. That you love them but you are in need of a spritual family. They should understand and perhaps consider their culture. Pray that God guides you in bringing this up with tenderness and respect. and that they can truly see you are not being divisive or contentious.

@GoldSK96

2 жыл бұрын

@@mando_apolgetico What a great answer thank you!

Hi. Can you please do an explanation on 1 Tim 2:15. Thank you.

@samueljallen.x

Күн бұрын

I too would like this. I feel my church recently violated 1 Tim 2:15 unrepentantly, then ignored sincere Biblical questions about it, even silencing the feedback. The implications of this are grave.

People before would fellowship at each other’s house, pray and break bread. People also gave to others out of love from their heart where the Holy Spirit in them led them to give. Now we have churches telling you “give it to us” donate it to us” we will take care of it” like really? Then, 99 percent of the members are “saints” and none go out to spread the gospel and speak to people, the fire is not in them. The churches condition them that way. It just becomes them becoming dependent on the organization. Where’s the One on One communion with God? Where’s the relationship with God. Isn’t the Holy Spirit suppose to be our teacher? Just so much I dislike about the organized churches. It robs one from their relationship with God and gives the leaders the power to tell you how to worship and follow God. The cherry picking of scripture to suit their doctrine, asking for you to be committed to THIER organization. I dislike that very much. Many don’t see it and at times I feel kind of bad for being a “party pooper” but what I see is what I see. God bless us all!

@UNEAKinfluence

Жыл бұрын

You're seeing the truth. It's not easy to carry. I feel the exact same. Just a concern for "inside the walls"....

@chela328

7 ай бұрын

I am going through this exact thing. And trying to explain what God has in store for what he needs me for it's like they are trying to keep me stuck under one roof. When God wants me to go and help others to get on fire for the Lord. I have some that talk bad about me but I've given them no reason. I won't win in either situation but only through Jesus Christ.

Always be slow? There are really bad "houses of worship" out there. When you are single, and older and have health problems your church runs from, and don't want to celebrate Hillsong/Elevation/Bethel Redding heresy in song, it's time to go.

@mikeheath8318

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!

@user-vi3jd7mm1k

2 ай бұрын

I was single for 35 years. Disabled. It’s not easy. Married now and church life and life is very difficult!

This was good

@PositivelyBrainwashed

3 жыл бұрын

@Ceed Best reason to leave church is by educating yourself that there aren't any good evidences to believe in a God

@keeps4970

3 жыл бұрын

@Ceed yeah we should be holy for he is holy. we dont want to listen from a wordly song because it is not good and a lie... real music is a christian and Gospel song who have a deeper meaning than nonsesnse worldly song

I left a church because of rejection. There was someone that church who was rejecting me I try my best to sort things out with them but were so closed which made it hard for me for while I let things slide but then one day the person did something hostile so I got sick of there loveless Attitude I didn't want to go to church any more the one day got a call from one of the Pastors asking what wrong so I told him he said that they doing nothing wrong. I HUNG UP THE PHONE VERY UPSET so I left church the jerk of the pastor try to call me i didn't answer why should after all he was rejecting me to by siding with the perpetrator a friend of mine talk me into having a face to face with the jerk so i did it was a wast of my time i try to get though the stubbon jerk he is a fake christian I never ever step foot in that church again

@jtaylor2379

5 жыл бұрын

One issue I think is a major problem in many churches is Pastor's take the side of the person who is wrong (due to being afraid of them or something I don't know.) And end up going against biblical doctrine in regards to how to handle those people. They also end up losing the surrendered members who do not want to compromise the truth for someone's feelings. If you were on the side of the bible, you were right and the pastor should have dealt with that other person's sin. If the other person was operating in biblical truth, then they were right. Only you can say for sure which it was based on what you know from the word.

@jecos1966

5 жыл бұрын

@@jtaylor2379 One that come to my mine is the the person that is rejecting me, the pastor values that person more than me. The person that rejects me is a leader of a cell group and if the pastor dose something to correct then the pastor may also have to dismiss from the leadership.But that just a theoy.

Although doctrine and teachings are biblical should I still leave if i feel alienated in the community????

@davidbalicki3567

3 жыл бұрын

to be guided by your feelings is like a man in the water being tossed about by the waves - shifting from one place to the next place

@yolisamrso9827

Жыл бұрын

I dont think thats a good reason to leave. God can use you to bring change to those that will come after you.

Trust in the Lord! Leave anytime want!! Jesus Knows!!!

@jtaylor2379

5 жыл бұрын

@Chris Naso what do you mean? How were you brought to ruin?

You might want to leave your church if the doughnuts are stale, or they cannot get a decent layer of foam on that cappuccino. Also, if people laugh a little too much...get out! You really need a place that affirms you every day, uses the latest light show theatrics and keeps young families away from the seniors. Finally, if they mention stuff like sin, hell, sacrifice or atonement, lace the shoes, drop that bulletin and sprint for the double doors! Man, you gotta find a place that makes YOU, the customer, feel like number one!😬☕

@takforce06

Жыл бұрын

HELLYEA BROTHER

@Smarty2able

9 ай бұрын

LMAOOO

Any time is good, sooner the better for you.

@maciekomis

3 жыл бұрын

im interested in your church. can i join?

When the messages are not coming from scripture but a book instead, or your pastor teaches about acceptance in sin, or other faith unity, or your being taught non biblical teachings

@simonschweizer9934

5 жыл бұрын

Anthony Brown your comment is very helpful Can u pls give another example about hownubmean acceptance in sin because I feel this is the case in my church! Thank u Brother much love

My new church has Baptist roots and doesn’t believe the Holy Spirit sign gifts are for today! I am wondering if this is a good reason to leave my church

@borisvandruff7532

2 жыл бұрын

Disagreeing with the doctrine your church teaches is not a bad reason to leave, especially if you disagree *from scripture*. Charismatic churches are almost as different from cessationist churches as day is from night. If your church is not bringing you closer to the authority of Scripture (because the Bible is the Word of God), it may be a good idea to leave. Spend time in prayer. Be humble. Be honest with yourself, because it is possible there are ways you are not letting your church reach you. Seek clarification from church leadership, and be teachable in the process. A humble heart, and an earnest desire to get to the bottom of an issue through Scripture is the best way you can figure this out. Lord, please give Randi guidance as she comes to a pivotal decision in her journey with You. May You guide her with the truth that You reveal through Your Word, and may you grant her the peace that surpasses all human understanding as she seeks clarity. Amen.

@RandiTafoyaMinistries

2 жыл бұрын

@@borisvandruff7532 Thank you very much for your thoughtful email and taking time to pray for me. I’m grateful for you. God bless you!

@c.a.mcneil2600

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I’m currently dealing with the same thing. And that’s not what I’m accustomed to: as a result of being in this ministry, I can tell that I’m beginning to get stagnant in my serving, spiritual well-being and mental state of mind is beginning to diminish. It’s not a good feeling.

@koosvanzyl2605

Жыл бұрын

No, because they are correct.

@KJ-lb4tj

Жыл бұрын

@@koosvanzyl2605 she quite obviously believes the opposite from scripture... Very unhelpful comment.

My former church suffered failures. Some of its major ministries are closing. The pastor is to be blamed. He is arrogant but ignorant with regards to integrity and decency in the church. He often employs people with questionable characters and qualifications to some major church positions. He pretend to know what he's doing acts like a professional individual when in fact he never had even a single semester in college.

The first time I changed churches is when the Navy sent me to San. Diego. I visited four churches in San Diego connected to the Denomination I had been raised in, but those churches didn’t want single Sailors attending. I found another denomination which made single Sailors and even Marines feel welcome. They preached from the Bible even more than the denomination of my youth. I spent 23 years in that Denomination, then the Statewide Bishop and a local Pastor advised my wife to end our marriage, because I was abusive, so claimed my wife and the Pastor and the Bishop. Of course I wasn't abusive. My children said, we want to live with Daddy! So I was given sole custody of my children, the house, and 90 percent of our stuff. 3 years before the divorce was final, that local church closed down. From the very first court hearing when both of us were there, with lawyers, I was immediately given temp custody of the house and kids. Today my children are grown, married and I have 4 grandchildren, last time I counted. My children won't go near the denomination which destroyed their parents' marriage. I have returned to the Denomination of my Youth. But a different Synod or Flavor. No one from the Denomination where I spent most of my adult life has ever said they were sorry.

@steffedy

5 жыл бұрын

What denomination was it if you dont mind me asking?

@Jiidwag

3 жыл бұрын

Hey bro it would really help the rest of us if you told us the names of these Denominations, so people are aware. It's like giving a public Yelp review, it warns the public and also gives the public the information to make decisions and evaluate if they choose to attend.

@pastorart1974

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jiidwag I was raised in a Lutheran Church which today is part of the ELCA. The ELCA voted as a denomination to accept same sex marriage in 2009. Since 2009, the ELCA has fully embraced the entire LGBTQ+? movement.

I once went to a church where someone was rejecting me (A LOVELESS ATTITUDED) try to sort it out with them they wouldn't listen to me I talk to a Pastor there said there doing nothing wrong then talk to the head pastor they said we don't interfere with those sort of things GOODBYE CHURCH I WIPE THE SOIL OFF MY FEET

@kagiso4277

2 жыл бұрын

I am sorry you had to go through that, Jesus still loves and I hope you find a loving church

I would say the relationship you have with the people in there and the doctrines they are teaching. Bible says that bad people can corrupt good character. Now I'm not saying people that have sinned and you talk to them are going to corrupt you that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is be aware of who you talk to not every preacher you listen to is telling the truth. For example the Prosperity Gospel. They teach that you can be guaranteed to be healed and be rich if you put your faith and trust in God. Now God give us some things we need but he is not guaranteeing that he will give us money the Bible says opposite that we will face hardships and Tribulation

Does it say in the Bible that I should be loyal to a particular local church or to my pastor?

@nanaboys2

6 жыл бұрын

eleazar coniate Our first and foremost loyalty is to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the only Son of the Living God. Pastors and other leaders in a church building are people just like us. I understand what you're asking because I struggled with that too; however I just wanted to whom emphasize our loyalty must take priority above all else. I know the Bible says our God is a jealous God and to have no other god before Him.

@catherineleary9462

6 жыл бұрын

eleazar coniate The short answer is no.

@centurionguards3819

6 жыл бұрын

Our loyalty is to God and his kingdom, not a specific church, organisation or pastor.

@reaganlear6548

6 жыл бұрын

eleazar coniate No. Acts 17:24 "God does not live in temples made by human hands".

@philip_roa

5 жыл бұрын

Heck no. We are to be loyal The Living Word, Jesus Christ.

Do you leave if your pastor was convicted of Molesting under 16 boys and girls though, he is out of prison and he has confessed I’m told but for some reason my mind stopped when I realised he was the same pastor I saw in the news have only been attending for almost three months ..

@MJKT95

5 жыл бұрын

ade doyin Personally I think that’s a situation in which the church should not have allowed the pastor back, so that’s a red flag as far as poor discernment from leadership goes. If you are uncomfortable with it, you should find a new church to be part of.

When you have one family and/or women running the show...leave!!!!

I left the church I was baptized in, a Bible Presbyterian church, when the cornerstone of its teaching became simply five-point TULIP Calvinism and that was it. It is not the gospel I knew.

@user-vi3jd7mm1k

2 ай бұрын

What tulip teaching is false?

Simple , if they don’t preach the gospel, leave to one that does !

The question is a distorted premise. Just like asking the question, how much does the color blue weigh? God sanctifies people not objects. Here's the real question. Why would followers of Christ (the real church) want to leave a building (man's distorted reverence for objects and institutional religions)? Simply asked. Why is the Church leaving men's fraternities? Answer They're hunger for Christ is not being feed there.

he opens with consumerism. nonsense. it is trust. when trust is broken, the church is dead to me

@linkskywalker5417

8 ай бұрын

When a church becomes inundated with consumerism, that church is no good anymore.

I quit religion when it kept me from growing and changing into the person I wanted to be.

@yamilmagana9547

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter what you want to be it matters what GOD wants you to be. Change your focus

@mikeheath8318

Жыл бұрын

A good step to quit religion. Some religious traditions are good, but they are all lifeless. Jesus is not about religion, only about life through forgiveness and love.

@claudiaschneider5744

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeheath8318 : Jesus himself gives a shit about any churches or religions - church people gives a shit about you, when they find out, that you have your very own opinion about what their god of the bible use to tell them, right.

@blitzball4lyfe823

Жыл бұрын

@@yamilmagana9547that’s cute. How God needs someone to speak on his behalf whenever he can outright say the shit he needs to say himself is total bullshit.

You can’t leave the church which is Jesus body,You are either in Christ or still in the Adams family. No one can snatch you out of Jesus hands . The early believers broke bread daily daily from house to house abundantly devoted themselves to the apostles doctrines fellowship prayer and breaking bread daily from house to house preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and healing the sick. We are called to be living stones of the spiritual temple as we come to Jesus 1 Peter 2:4

@avoiceinthewilderness5766

4 жыл бұрын

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What if you are batized and you leave the church for a Year or 2 !!! please say something anyone I want to knowww

@michaelwatts2620

6 жыл бұрын

Diana H. help me understand you better. In your view how are you seeing baptism and your church?

@jtaylor2379

5 жыл бұрын

What matters is that you are truly born again and given a new nature and the Holy Spirit indwells you. If those things have not happened and you were baptized, you went down a dry sinner and came up a wet one. If you are born again, then you should be obedient to the Word of God and return to a local church fellowship. It doesn't have to be the exact church or denomination you were a member of before. As long as it is a place where the bible is being preached in truth and you can grow in your faith and relationship with God.

@michaelzimmermann3388

5 жыл бұрын

the answer is simple, you can go back at any time. you just have to talk with a priest and done.

Tongues and Interpreting " The Midrash is the deposit, the Midrash stirs you to search the scriptures. The Aggadah quickens the scriptures * Do not neglect fellowshipping * Come out of her my people The contradictions The Midrash stirs you to search more. Gives you a sense of accomplishment for reading the scriptures. The illusion of perfection I tell you a secret The Narrow Gate is Interpreting Tongues Daniel heard a Tongue And did not understand Jesus said ,that exactly how the church will be, go away Daniel. My version You see , Jesus has to be on the throne of your heart, to Interpret. If you don't Interpret spirit , Tongues , you are not saved. " Leaving church ? Not leaving church ? There's a bigger issue here.

Could matriarchal leadership be a good reason?

@KennethSee

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Female leadership is not biblical.

@danielarachikavitz7677

3 жыл бұрын

@@KennethSee What about Deborah? Wasn't she ordained by God to be the spiritual, military, and government leader of all Israel?

@KennethSee

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielarachikavitz7677 As judgement on Israel in a specific place in time that no longer applies to modern day because of commands by God in the New Testament. Yes.

@rudybonilla9271

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielarachikavitz7677 Deborah desperately tried to get the men to rise but no one would so she was forced to be in that position. Whenever you see A woman in a pastoral position it’s because there was no men to rise up.

@aduenamz2569

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

Well, do you go to the Pastor if you believe he teaching heresy. I’ve been going for 5 years. I have been feeling wrong about it for the last 2 years or so. They teach word of faith/prosperity, and lean towards the NAR beliefs. My mind is made up on leaving, others have left for the same reason, confronted the pastors and the leaders and got shit down quick. They stand firmly behind there beliefs, they say that it is a “prophetic and apostolic church” and the Pastor know calls himself an apostle. Have become very emphasizing on healings, miracles, signs and wonders. Do I speak to them or just quietly step away? They have already heard it before. They stop you and tell you that you are being attacked by a spirit of unbelief. Would love to here peoples thoughts. Thanks!

@benredeemed7204

6 жыл бұрын

df coinc.... I stream a church from Knoxville, a pastor/preacher I have found extremely 100% docitrinally sound.... no Calvinistic leanings or prosperity etc.. and you can feel the spirit even watching it online.. I live in a major city, there are no good churches that include repentance, sin, the new birth.. it's all about people just feeling good and feeling churchy.... so I know your dilemma.. I am going to give you the link to the church and services start on sunday morning at 11 sun evening at 6 and Wednesdays at 7 ... .I generally cli ck on the link about 15 minutes before the time and it has music and people fellowshipping. believe me your spirit will testify to whats being preached friend.. take care.. ( ps a video first pops up at the beginning when you click on the link. just "X" out of it and you'll see the live stream going on... pastor Charles Lawson.. really loves the lord and super sound doctrine... www.thelionofjudah.org/ I know it may feel weird to forsake the assembly but my sister said the other day "if its not a good sound assembly then you're really not forsaking it" .. remember we are not beholden to rituals... obviously finding a good church is important, but until you do that I strongly strongly suggest this one.. take care friend

@reformedwretch2071

6 жыл бұрын

BenRedeemed!! Why do you speak as if Calvinism is not sound doctrine?

@r3v001

6 жыл бұрын

KZread is a tough forum to have in depth discussions, but could you with great brevity explain the main tenets of Calvinistic theology...?

@donfilkins298

6 жыл бұрын

dfcoinc to quote RC Sproul when a church is leaning that direction.....Run for your life! The NAR robs Jesus of his deity. When was the last time you heard a gospel message ? Your church might be headed down the path of claiming the bible is not sufficient. And is chasing after extra expieriances. To undermine the gospel. I would write a letter with what you see is wrong, hand it to them and leave. Go on the internet and search churches in your area. I would recommend a church that professes scripture as the highest authority. And that it is by God's grace alone through faith alone in Jesus, that we are justified before a holy God.

@r3v001

6 жыл бұрын

There are really only 2 things I look for in a church 1 Grace based theology of salvation though faith in Jesus Christ, and 2 fruitful conversion amongst the leadership by the transforming work of the Holy Ghost. Both are fundamental as Super Gracers churches IS full of perversity, ie everyone (including the pastors) are sleeping around and getting high on drugs and anything else you can think of because "where sin abounds God's grace much more abounds" and conversely Fruitful churches without Grace are stuck in "performance mode" and being fake and pretending to be holy and keeping up appearances. A healthy church loves God and hates sin, but if they stumble they are transparent about it, confess and change, because of Gods love, the Grace of Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Ghost.

This seems odd. You get saved and develop a sincere desire to engage God. Then, you get hit with the tornado called "church". You're told out of the blue that you have to join and end up spending years learning about church, church, and more church. Seems unfair.

@CG-lq8yo

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I know thru Jesus is God the head of all.

@CG-lq8yo

4 жыл бұрын

Church won't save you. By Faith we are redeemed.

@avoiceinthewilderness5766

4 жыл бұрын

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@yolisamrso9827

Жыл бұрын

If you have the Spirit of God within you. He will always lead you to a group of believers where you can edify one another. Its called fellowship. This does not necessary means a church building. It can be at home, school even at work places. You've got to meet up with others believers. The bible says he that does not gather with me scatters.

I go to a church, where are short of deacons and the church, voted to have no one at all, instead of me. Should I leave?

@davidbalicki3567

3 жыл бұрын

to assume a place of leadership without the Lord's calling and providentially making it happen - is the act of a small man wanting to appear large before the mirror and others. The answer is to repent of your pride and remain.

This advice seems to be cult-like thinking. Why should a person be bound to a church like he is a serf? If you pastor gets offered a better position paying more money at a larger church, do you think that he will hesitate to leave you behind and go somewhere else? Why be loyal to someone who shows no loyalty to you? For that matter, does being a “member” of a church confer any benefits to you? Does your leadership visit you when you are sick? Do they help you financially when you are having a hard time (probably not, but they will almost certainly give you a hard time if you do not tithe regularly). Does your church leadership give you good counseling when you need it, or are they aloof and out of touch? Why commit to people act as if you are invisible, and only contact you when they want something out of you? A lot of church leaders are just users, so don’t feel like you owe them anything, as many of them would never do anything for you.

Well, I left the church at 5 when I told my Sunday school teacher I didn’t believe and god and I got kicked out. I legit tried to get back into Christianity but I read the Bible cover to cover and I was just unconvinced. So I didn’t leave the faith, the faith left me in a way. But I’d say I’m better as an atheist because when I was a Christian I hurt a lot of people in the name of god.

@iamtondro3747

2 жыл бұрын

@Michael Magyar made in the 13th century next question

@iamtondro3747

2 жыл бұрын

@Michael Magyar made in 1389 to be exact

@bridgefin

2 жыл бұрын

@@iamtondro3747 You don't know what you are talking about. Were you to check out the science behind it you would learn that the middle age carbon dating was unauthorized and tested fabric which replace a burned area of the cloth. That repair took place in the middle ages. Science still has no way to replicate the image on that cloth.

@iamtondro3747

2 жыл бұрын

@@bridgefin nope, 1260 at the earliest. Not only used carbon but also the more accurate uranium thorium dating , inari bless you kiddo.

@iamtondro3747

2 жыл бұрын

@Michael Magyar not an argument, hail inari

Well now you did broach the subject of doctrinal deviation. You want to go by those standards there's not a church on the face of the Earth has got it all right. However, it's a sad State of Affairs when all you get is a 15-minute feel good sermon at a church. It's a sad State of Affairs when all of the people in your Sunday school simply think that knowing the books of the Bible in John 3:16 is that enough. I think when we're not challenge biblically or people are not interested I think there's an issue somewhere.

After being a member of my church for over 65 years, tomorrow is my last Sunday there. A deacon has three main responsibilities, of course there are subheading under each but just three main ones. 1. Share the gospel, not just inviting folks to church. 2. Look after the flock, especially the widows and widowers 3. Protect the pastor I have not been able to protect our last two pastors. There is only one under shepherd of the church and that is the pastor. When deacons take away the responsibilities and leadership of the pastor and place themselves in authority of everything it’s time, as the Ginger Bread Man said, “Run, run as fast as you can, you can’t catch me I’m the gingerbread man.” My pastor asked me to stay until he left; therefore, tomorrow is my last Sunday I have let folks know in advance of our leaving so it will not be said we have something against the church or it’s people.

Whenever you read Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Dan Dennett! 😀😀😀