The explanation for why this spot is not a close decision starts at 10:02

@johnf1772

Ай бұрын

This illustrates the difference between knowing how to play against an exact hand (old school Sklansky Theory of Poker stuff) and how to play against a range. If he knows you have KQ, he jams. But all the other stuff in your range kills him (not to mention he blocks KQ). As played against his range, check back makes the most sense. He MIGHT, might, might, call with AA here, sometimes, if he continues the turn that way...but other than that your hand has no value to bet the river.

@bilyonarelifestile2226

Ай бұрын

fold pre

@gabrielrockman

29 күн бұрын

You certainly can't bet the river for value. I don't think he's check-calling with AA or KK. But how many hands is the villain check-calling with? Is he ever check-folding a hand better than KQ? Is he doing this more often than he's check-calling a hand better than KQ? I think you might get AQ or even AK to fold. I don't know how often he's check-calling with AK or better on the river. Seems like he would bet almost all of the hands that beat you.

I agree with the check back. It would be very ambitious to think worse would ever call.

Interesting hand Bart.. It's really nice to talk about one of your hands.. I'd like to see more of your hands in future videos. .

Hey Bart, I just wanted to thank you for all of your content. I have found the way you explain and analyze every aspect of pretty much every area fascinating and easy to follow. It has definitely helped me!! Thanks and continue the amazing work 👍

Bart, please do more videos like this, going through your hands solo dolo, it's lowkey cathartic...

@cial67

Ай бұрын

Isn't it just cathartic?

What is the point in betting the river? For spite.

@Love1isall

Ай бұрын

Fuck yeah

@Love1isall

Ай бұрын

Fuck yeah

I really enjoyed the format, interesting hand. Also shows that in some cases a hand reveal can be educational

I need 20 more videos just like this one Big B

What a great endorsement for 5th street chicken

"So, he was very out of line.." lmao

@notbot4525

28 күн бұрын

Villain absolutely should have shoved. Absolutely. Now *that* would have been out of line. And it would have worked I don't see how villain can play the hand this way and then not jam river You gotta jam there Are you going to get snapped by full houses and look like an idiot sometimes? Absolutely Precisely because of what Bart said, I feel like we fold out enough AQ and KQ (And we *lose* to KJ, 10J types of hands by checking) As well as some straight up bluffs We lose to like AXs We gotta jam. It's such a punt not to jam, imo

Good hand analysis

Thanks for the in depth analysis. I for one have lost a lot of money in these spots, and this now gives me the opportunity to minimize losses and still will sometimes.

Hey Bart, great call. I’d like to see more of just your hands being done and I think it speeds up the episodes. It’s not the back-and-forth with the collars although those are fine thanks again, sir.

Good content pal. See you at chasers lfg

I'm on the turn in the video and the first bluff/ semi bluff hand that comes to mind is A10 of diamonds..... but idk he bets with A10 of diamonds vs checking based on how strong your range is

Need more solo Bart hands for sure !

Normally never pause on the flop, but if there's ever a time to slow play this is it. Multi-way with a big hand with blockers and back door redraws, with a player leading out. Yes this is a dream scenario to just check and let your villain value own themselves.

Yea I was thinking you were going to discuss bluffing river to fold out AK and AQ. Definitely not a value bet. Outside of like ATdd this is probably the worst hand you bring to the river. Even at 5/T it’s hard to trust your opponent to fold though.

Yes

Bart said the villain “got out of line.” Not sure I agree. I like the villains play with the exception of the check on the river. To me it was a clear jam if I’m playing the villains hand. I think you’d hear from a boat on the turn, or especially AK which you can almost discount because there was no 4! Pre. I like to take an aggressive line especially when I turn big equity like that. You just have to be able to pull the trigger on the river.

Really nice hand Bart -- I'm a long time lurker and first time commenter and saw this hand. I was in a very similar spot in a pokernow "online home game" recently in an SRP with a very nitty (preflop; inexperienced postflop) villain, but for me the spot felt a lot more painful. He raised UTG and I cc the button (along with another 1 or 2 splashy cold callers in between) with ks qx. Flop: qjx ss B 0.5 C F F Turn: Tx B 0.75 C River: Qs Board is qjxtq. Villain checks to me and I just thought given his UTG range is likely at worst AQo+ TT+ with no aj or kq, my value bet at the end would target 6 AA and 3 KK (which I thought would call) but I'm behind 4 AQ which I thought would play this way and 12 AK which might play this way. Because he's a nit, my read was that there was some percentage of him x/c hands as strong as a flush (which is perhaps reasonable) or TT on the river, but it was also possible that he was one of those players that plays tight pre and is never checking a flush otr. My king blocks the flush and ak but in the moment I thought there were too many aq/ak. I also didn't think he would ever fold these hands (he's not folding KK+.) It's somewhat painful when he has 9 combos of overpairs that I was decently sure will call but I can't target them because of ak/some aq, and the worst part is I was not entirely sure that ak checks the river. If ak doesn't check the river, then I have to bet vs 9 overpairs and 4 aq. One of the major reasons I don't outright fold preflop is because I think I can outplay (make thinner value bets when I hit hands beating AA, and fold stronger hands to aggression) him postflop -- when I can't extract value from trips on boards like these, it makes me question the preflop call. I end up checking back and get shown AQ, which makes my hand seems like a good check back; in reality, I already knew he has 4AQ in his range and I really would have preferred to see AK, which would have vindicated my check back. Because of the way conditional probability works, me observing AQ from villain actually probably makes it slightly more likely that he doesn't check AK back. Curious to hear anyone else's thoughts.

As he's basically always jamming boats, wouldn't this be a jam to get him off Ak+Aq (which are 12+4 combos)? I think he has that way more often than an OOL bluff. So if it goes check/check, we most often lose? As Bart mentions, our line is so so strong here. But probably levelling myself... Of course we can never bet for value.

I think we focus on the odds of cold-calling but overly defining your range is maybe the biggest issue. I'm guessing solvers can balance cold calls on the button, but can any of us? I dunno.

I understand your point on the flop about not raising but I agree with the others and I would raise here. By you calling with 3 people behind you, I would argue that this is a stronger play. By you flatting the button here on the flop, QK is the minimum hand I give you (you Bart not everyone) and it would likely (if it were me) shut down any future betting.

Its just never a fold on the turn. You have to evaluate river. All of the math and you're hand strength are enough to merit a turn call.

Wouldn’t a good point in betting small would be to either get thin value or not have to give the table information by having to show our cards if villian folds?

On the flop your range gets very condensed if you raise vs your range is much wider if you call the 175. You're getting almost 5 to 1, which justifies a call from hands like KJs, AKs with backdoor flush draw, probably AK off makes a call here occasionally, JJ..... where as I think you're range is narrowed down to QX with a raise. Plus I think this is a very under buffed spot vs 3bettor with 2 players behind

I think the river is a trivial check back. I think villian could have a hand such as AQ with the intention to check-call. Too thin to bet IMO.

Have a strong inclination it's KK were up against before the river reveal but hindsight is 2020.

12:13 _...he blocks KQ_ But, he does not block pocket JJ, not TT.

I cold call preflop like Bart, but I raise that flop all day long. I call that turn, like anyone who did OK in 3rd grade arithmetic. I take that free showdown on the river every time. I don't care HOW strong a flop raise looks. With 2 Broadway cards out there, I don't want to see a third one unless it's a King. Maybe raising takes down an already-nice pot before something goes wrong. Maybe it leads to a 4-way all in, and I have two chances to hit Queens full or quads. Interestingly, KQs is one of the two hands that in Limit Hold'Em are often correct to cold-call (an early position raise, not a 3-bet unless playing loose-aggressive villains) with. The other being AJs. True according to Sklansky anyway, and it sure was part of the solid preflop play made me a winning LHE player at mid stakes. The downside was that with many opponents having read the same books, there were times when we spotted each other's following of this rule of thumb, and I'd need to do some balancing and showing down of hands proving I didn't strictly follow the book on that, implying that I also didn't on other things. In a way, it was the first time when I needed to implement partials on parts of my range, in common preflop situations, to prevent being absolutely correctly being put on a super specific range by attentive villains.

On this river, I think villain is overweighted to AK. I don't think most villains are going to check through a full house, though of course there will be some FHs that check on the river. Villain is likely concerned about hero having a FH (and all of the FHs are hands VERY consistent with a button 3-bet cold call). So there are two options I see - the safe option, which is to check it back. I anticipate losing the hand the majority of the time to AK. You could take a higher variance option here and rip it in, though you're turning your hand into a bluff. Is our hand strong enough that we should just take our equity to showdown? I don't think so because if the trips win, it is bc villain has a bluff and we're going to win when we rip it. We're really only worried about a slow played FH.

@newstandardaccount

Ай бұрын

I guess after the river show, I overweighted AK and didn't think about the bluffs enough

Fold pre mostly occasionally 4bet. Calling pre is bad.

Results oriented?

Every time I’m open up my KZread I hope there’s a new hand

Fyi, I think your stack size is wrong the the river. Editor didn't take out your chips from the call on turn. Great video otherwise other 👍

I think I'd call with getting 3 to 1 and u have outs to boat up, and a 2% chance of hitting yr Q. But if Im calling and miss the river Im put in a tough spot facing a jam, so after alls said I'd prob jam the turn, if Im beat Im beat but I have outs to boat up & hit quads. I think its very close, fold or jam. Maybe its too nitty to fold here, idk, thats why I dont run a coaching site and have a utube channel and Bart does. lol

Wow. You had twips.

There is 1 combo of suited QJ.. spades..

I would 100% check back.. either worse folds, better calls or raise.. no point to bet..

Only get called if you're beat

It shows the power of bluffing all in on river. It’s so hard to make strong hands in poker.

@nitemareman1

Ай бұрын

Exactly my thought. If I’m villain I’m jamming on this river. No other way to win the hand at that point.

@justinhart7172

Ай бұрын

If bart has AQ on the river hes prob folding also

@losyart

Ай бұрын

@@justinhart7172 And if he has boats he is snapping and u look foolish

@justinhart7172

29 күн бұрын

@@losyartif is a word but math is a thing, and boats are a rare thing

Yeah you can fold the turn all you have to do is place your cards face down and push them forward.

Not sure why we box Asians, and non-Asians? What does that have to do with the hand?

So the CO 3-bet with K6s. Yeah, that's out of line.

If villain is the type to fold AK here (or even get super nitty and fold 10s), betting as a bluff can work. But you aren't getting called by worse.

Jam River to get AK to fold

Instead of asking if it's a fold on the turn, rather, is it an opportunity to bluff on the river??Possibly AK folds to a jam..

@pot_kivach160

29 күн бұрын

that depends on H and V profiles. First: If V is sticky CS, then don't even think about it. Unless you hate your chips and you like a pain?! Second: a straight would not check river. Unless V is a lunatic. Third: triple QQQ are not for bluffing. They're bluff catchers. So: give it up of bluffing.

Cbet into 3 other players is quite ambitious of him.. Ridiculous some would say..

@losyart

Ай бұрын

He should be quite polar to KQ+ and boats so it makes sense to include some bluffs in there but yeah pretty ambitious although he blocks King-Queen so that is sth and have backdoor equity to back up with

@pot_kivach160

29 күн бұрын

@@losyart _he blocks KQ_

The only two actions that I agree with the hero with in how he played his hand is calling before the flop and checking on the river. He gave the other player too many opportunities to win the pot the way he played after the flop and the turn. His strategy didn’t win him the hand-the cards ended up coming out in his favor (especially the river). He’s then using the outcome off the cards and applying it to his strategy using hindsight. If the last card was a diamond-he would have effectively lost a hand where he had trips on the flop and his opponent had a king high.

@JasonVaysberg

19 күн бұрын

I stopped reading at you agreed with calling preflop.

I am the villain I am jamming this river all day long

@Badbentham

Ай бұрын

For the simple reasons that we should only have very few natural bluffs, while our entire value range wants to jam with the low SPR anyways. C/C or even C/F looks suboptimal with e.g. AK, while i.e. AQ may not actually want to bet the Turn OOP.

@TheTree1

Ай бұрын

@@Badbentham yeah if we don't bluff with this hand what the fuck bluffs do we have?

@gabrielrockman

Ай бұрын

​@@TheTree1 AJ, KJ, and J9 are better bluffs because they block JJ. But yes, the villain probably should bluff here.

@TheTree1

Ай бұрын

@@gabrielrockman it's just hard to get here with those hands. Of course it's hard to get here with the hand he got here with. The main point is you are just not gonna get here with very many bluffs so when you do you're kind of gonna have to just Heidi ho.

@losyart

Ай бұрын

So u r the kinda aggressive guy. What about if Bart had QJ or 1010 in this insatnce would U still advocate it or is it just results-oriented thinking??. Be honest with yourself. Are you that sure u can force someone to fold 3 queens there?? To do that u have to target opponent who actually is good enough to do so. Or maybe u want to fold off unlikely AJ or A10??

Bet river to get value from KK

This is why you don't give up bluffs.....bart would have folded as he said

@losyart

Ай бұрын

This is why u get snapped by majority of players in Bart shoes and you look foolish with your bluff asking heavens why they called me??

i dont think it was a good idea to announce your intention to fold to a shove. what if he was watching this?

According to Google, Bart Hansen is ranked 2,441 in the all time money list. Daniel Negreanu is ranked 7th in the all time money list. Crushlive has 103K subscribers, Daniel has 821K subscribers. Daniel constantly shows his own hands, even where he makes mistakes, Bart rarely talks about his own hands or his own mistakes. Why am I here again???

@dullatron

Ай бұрын

I find these videos much more educational than Daniel's, maybe that's why?

why mention jj 1010 to calle a 3 bet??? you arent pre flop.???