He DIDNT make the Silmarillion. He stole them from Feanor!

@Nibba1965

2 ай бұрын

You mean the sillmarills?

@shawn092182

2 ай бұрын

He didn't steal the Silmarillion.

@simonmorris4226

2 ай бұрын

He stole all three. Read the sodding books!@@shawn092182

@conlangknow8787

Ай бұрын

I mean technically melkor did not make the silmarillion

@AlphariusDominatus

Ай бұрын

​​@@shawn092182wtf are you talking about? 😂

Mielkor did not create the silmarils Feanor did

I disagree. I think Melkor would simply brag about how much bigger his ring was - Arda. He would see Sauron's little Ring as a trifle.

@darthgorthaur258

Ай бұрын

Hahaha this is exactly what I just thought an said but in very different words.

@tomlawfritz8657

Ай бұрын

The ring changes size for the wearer:

Morgoth is more powerful than Sauron so I don’t think it would bother him in the slightest he controlled balrogs that were just as powerful as Sauron

@Henkums

Ай бұрын

Melkor gave a lot of his original Power up to create his evil creatures, so it's not save to say that Melkor was still stronger than Sauron

@themsuicjunkies

Ай бұрын

He was come on...even at the end it took an army of Valinor to bring dowm Melkor. Granted there were no Valars but Sauron was brought down by elves and men.

@jbach7274

Ай бұрын

he(morgoth) would most likely treat him(sauron) as an elder bully treats a younger bully, who tries to show off by bullying some kid their own age.

Aule the Valar taught Sauron most of the knowledge, skills, and tools to aid his ring craft most likely.

@j-dub8399

Ай бұрын

This

He'd probably nail it to his crown.

Melkor's Crown, set with all three Silmari, was a far more powerful artifact than the One Ring.

Thank you, I have wanted this question answered for awhile!

Ok usually I like your videos but this one is to me just riddled with mistakes, such as Morgoth making the Silmarillions... also I think he'd use the One Ring since he too would be empowered, especially after relinquishing so much of his former strength into Arda...

@RealmsRevealed-vt5mg

2 ай бұрын

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@nyanates

4 күн бұрын

That ring was bound to Sauron, not Melkor, and had its own will.

Sauron (In the ring) : .....Master? Melkor : What? Surprised to see me? Sauron : Wait a sec.....It's Dagor Dagorath already? It's just the Third Age! Melkor : You know there are more than one ways to enter Arda other than the Door of Night, right? Ever wonder why Utumno and Angband is dug so deep? Sauron : Wait. Tolkein never mentioned any of that.......Uh Nevermind. Orders? Melkor : Gather the troops. I got the Sun and Moon to destroy.

The one ring would have no power over Melkor as he was the highest of beings, a valar. From the books its obvious that the ring could not have any effect over Valar.

@Pub2k4

Ай бұрын

Yes, but It would have given him complete dominion over Sauron.

Seeing as how he stole the silmarillions I assume he would feel betrayed and steal it for himself just because that's what he does.

i’ve heard the power comparison between Melkor and Sauron was when Sauron was at his strongest was equal to Melkor at his weakest

@greenmountainpokemon2112

2 ай бұрын

Even at Melkor's weakest, I think he was stronger than Sauron at his strongest... I don't even think it would be close 🤷‍♂️

@mrga5098

Ай бұрын

@@greenmountainpokemon2112 but he wasnt lmao, dont make shit up. I was stated that melkor at his weakest was weaker than sauron

@T3DDY13

Ай бұрын

​@@mrga5098where was it stated? I dont remember seeing that

@mrga5098

Ай бұрын

@@T3DDY13 i did hear that multiple times from some of the big lotr youtubers

Morgoth gave Sauron a power boost. That says everything in regards to what the ring could do for him. The ring couldn't bump up Sauron against the Valar in no shape or form. When did Morgoth do any of what you said for Sauron?

he would have put it on and ruled it most likely. and Melkor did not create Balrogs they are spirits of the Miar.... same as Gandalf

This is a good production with some flaws and assumptions deemed canon that should be labeled as such.

15:19 You think Sauron couldn’t achieve his goals without The Ring? The entirety of Lord of the Rings is the story of how Sauron nearly achieved total domination of Middle Earth without The Ring.

@rayeasom

Ай бұрын

Sauron couldn’t achieve domination with the Ring. He was beaten. He was beaten with the ring and without the ring.

@Pub2k4

Ай бұрын

@@rayeasom He still could have won, both with and without the ring. But he didn’t. He was beaten both times.

i think you underestimate Melkor, in the SIlmarillion we are told that Melkor has in a sense 'diminished' himself by allowing his power to flow into his minions making them stronger, this was done as a method of CONTROL over them, he would probably keep the ring just to torment Sauron for failing to be as powerful as himself because that is his way.

What if Tulkas had the One Ring, could he beat Steven Seagal in a bitch slap fight while sitting down on an office chair?

@aaronbaron3155

Ай бұрын

He could beat him with or without😂

I thought that before Mekor was locked out of the universe he gave much of his power to Sauron, in order that his servant might one day bring him back. Sauron in turn put into the ring the power and will, and when it was unmade in mount doom, they ruined themselves. Otherwise Mekor would have regained all his strength and controlled the other rings and their owners, should he have come back and claimed the one ring. Just my thoughts from reading the Silmarillion.

Melkor and Sauron, similar situation to Saruman and Wormtongue

He laugh at it like the trinket it was. He was supreme to Sauron and all of Sauron’s powers were nothing to him.

What would have done Ungoliant if she had found out about the ring? And there is a possibility that Morgoth would dominate the will of the ring as well because he is the greater evil and it is the battle of evil wills rather that the powers of the two evil lords. And it was the evil nature of the Morgoth that corrupted Sauron not the visa versa.

Sauron didn’t have a hand in the creation of the three. They were made in secret.

@jonathanhubbard3334

Ай бұрын

This is true, but they were made with ring-lore that had its magic source in Sauron, so while they weren’t able to be dominated by the One Ring, their power was still tied to the One Ring. The One was the source of all the Rings of Power’s magic.

I would say that even with Morgoth thrust out of the world, Sauron was still his servant. Sauron never repudiated or rebelled against Morgoth. In any case, Sauron's ring would have been no threat to Morgoth, since Sauron's power was derived from Morgoth and Sauron was bound tightly to, and under, Morgoth by unbreakable vows to him. Possibly Morgoth if he returned would have claimed the Ring from Sauron (just as Sauron held the rings of the 9); in any case Sauron would not have tried to withhold it from Morgoth, he would have had no will or power to do so. Sauron never could be any match for Morgoth.

Hold the ring as hostage, as the final control over Saron.

After the Defeat in TLOR:TRK in the abyss Melkor was chained in - Sauron shimmering weakly ..... Melkor .....a disapproving side glance Sauron " Dont look at me like that you gotta defeated by the Valar and lost the Silmarils . Melkor Flaring in Anger - " You where defeated by two midgets one who was lessened by the effects of your flawed dollar store jewelry " Sauron ........... 😬🤣

Morgoth would just submit the one ring to his own power... Either through a ring or magical artefact of his own... Hence controling Sauron and his will of power at the same time. All benefits to Melkor indeed... He would be very pleased with the one ring as a way to ensure Sauron's loyalty to him too.

Well...Since Melkor's sole goal of his existence is to corrupt everything in Arda, he would definitely seek to corrupt the ring and bend it to his will. Also, since Melkor is the most powerful Ainur in all of Ea, I expect he would not only dominate the ring but he would also use it to his benefit. Otherwise he would just destroy it and possibly destroy it's maker along with it. Remember: Melkor's only goal is to corrupt, control, and dominate.

The One Ring would mean nothing to Melkor, even less than it meant to Tom Bombadil. The One Ring wild be a trinket to Melkor.

Excellent perspective on this topic and a very well-done video. Keep up the good work!

Melkor could not be controlled or influenced by the one ring. It might give him more power, but it would have no influence at all on him.

Melkor created his own Ring in a way, his Ring is Arda itself, that is why Arda has to be destroyed to get rid of Melkors corruption, thats what Daggor Dagorath is for, to create the world anew without corruption

What was Tolkien's thinking with the similarities of names, i.e. Sauron, and Saruman?

@weedragonauts4729

Ай бұрын

i got them confused at first as a kid.

I think melkor would take the ring for himself and use it to control the other users. It adds powerful weapons to his army. I don’t think the ring could dominate him, as Sauron’s will doesn’t compete with melkors. It’s an interesting topic but I think it has a pretty boring answer tbh. I don’t think he’d be mad at Sauron either unless Sauron created it in secret from him

Melkor wouldn’t need the ring. The ring was made by Sauron, pouring his malice into it. Sauron was a subordinate to Melkor, a lesser being. Why would Melkor need something which he would view as a trinket. The ring would have as much sway over Melkor as it did over Tom Bombadil.

I doubt it would do much of anything for him or to him. Melkor/Morgoth is as much above Sauron as Sauron is above any of the children of Illuvatar.

@shawn092182

2 ай бұрын

I don't think that matters. We've seen acts done by lower beings that had effects on him. Fingolfin was able to wound Morgoth with an elvish blade. And Luthen was able to sing Morgoth to sleep.

@sakemp3480

2 ай бұрын

​ @shawn092182 a weaken Melkor, not a full powered one

@shawn092182

2 ай бұрын

@@sakemp3480 And Melkor, he remains.

@sakemp3480

2 ай бұрын

@shawn092182 I just see it as the Melkor that first touched Arda is not the same Melkor after, especially after splurging his power all over the place (pause)

@shawn092182

2 ай бұрын

@@sakemp3480 Did Sauron create the One Ring before, during, or after the first time Melkor touched Arda?

I think with morgoth being more powerfull than sauron the ring would not have an effect on him

melkor is one of the strongest valar, dont think he needs rings

He would do nothing with the ring. It would be nothing to him

Dude, you contradicted yourself here at least 3 times. I like the work and thoughtfulness put into this potential plot line but one needs to stick to one line of thought. Now if you had postulated on 2 or 3 possible outlines and then decided on the one you thought most likely, great. ...but you didn't. Keep up the good work though!

Mellow would probably look at the one ring and go…meh, Voldemort did horcruxes better. 😂

Melkor put most of his power into Middle Earth itself, much as Sauron puy part of his power into the one ring

No way! Morgoth will have no Fear of the ring or Sauron! Lol u nuts! The Silmarils r far more powerful than the ring!

I'm surprised Mellkor isn't running in the Republican primary...

@AndresSztaba

Ай бұрын

He'd be more likely presiding the democrats, as they're the ones to twist everything they touch...

We need to remember that most of Sauron power comes from Melkor. Without his master much of the darkness of Arda and its twosted creatures would not exist . If Sauron had the nine. Moegoth had his dragons, balrogs and super orcs. He was also the grant master of corruption...next to Morgoth most plots of Sauron are pretty straight fordward and he does not uses deception and tactics.

Melkor neither created the balrogs nor did he create the silmarills.

This isn't about the Silmarils - it's about Sauron's One Ring ! Melkor/Morgoth was a Valar, therefore much more powerful than SAURON, who was his vassal, and only a Maiar ! Morgoth would not have needed the One Ring, as he was already much more powerful than whatever power the Ring might have given him !

What do ya think k would have happened if durins bane had gone to snaugs mountain instead??

@shawn092182

2 ай бұрын

Khazad-dum would be thriving. Its hallls would be thriving with Durin's folk into the late 3rd age.

@Ya_boi_lil_peen

2 ай бұрын

@@shawn092182 well what do you think would happen with the dragon and balrog?