Nothing more orgasmic than being high af and watching Sodapoppin watch videos about WoW

@electricwizard5747

2 ай бұрын

get a grip dude

@sirbear4962

2 ай бұрын

real

@Kanoog

2 ай бұрын

I feel bad for your entertainment value.....

@Eramidas

2 ай бұрын

Wtf

@majed2488

2 ай бұрын

Such a strange thing to say

10:57 dude got kicked by the enemy healer , yep

With the talent reworks and tier sets along with some creative trinkets/items there are an insane amount of modifiers in the game now that you need half a dozen weakauras to track at least. And that's per spec.

We have pvp talents take some of the abilities that were meant for pve like the micro cc and put them in a pve talent option only usable outside of pvp. Lower button bloat while keeping the abilities in the game for the content jt was meant for

I can’t believe Soda hasn’t tried feral in Dragonflight yet

@grimreaper686

2 ай бұрын

I can't believe guy is using Mozilla Firefox in 2024.

@Humdrumb

2 ай бұрын

I bet he’d hate it

@xrevitalizex

2 ай бұрын

Feral compared to pre legion to current, it's soulless. It's not the same identity at all. Feral has an AoE bleed which cool they needed it. Then they added brutal slash, which cool they needed it. Then they gave them access to their shadowlands abilities, which cool because needed it. But why did they need it? Because all of the other melee do what Feral druids do but better. As a hybrid spec, it is by far the worst spec overall. It might be doing better right now an not at the bottom of the tier list in PVE but in PVP you are countered by everything except a mage. And mages are hardly played unless in RMP comps, to which then Feral is the focus target or your healer is. Either way, you don't get to do damage, you just AoE bleed and then go bear form. It is a hollow, soulless, unrecognizable class from what it once was. And Blizzards main issue is they have to stop pandering to the rogue audience.

@hobosnake1

2 ай бұрын

@@xrevitalizex PVP just seems so miserable to balance. I defer to you, because you definitely have more experience than me. It's hard to keep the same identity for any of the specs tbh. Most of them do not resemble anything close to classic.

@xrevitalizex

2 ай бұрын

@hobosnake1 homogenozation was brought up in the video, but it wasn't discussed further than that. Basically the reason pvp is unfair, is because DH got everything every other class already had. Their first (game designers) ideology to combat DH in both pvp and pve was "give classes self identity that makes them unique" this is where you see combustion change for fire mages, legendaries items being added that were class unique so on an so forth. It however wasn't enough, in BFA we see them (game designers) nerf all damage of all classes while a few shine through. Now this wasn't uncommon in WoW at all. However what made classes broken wasn't the damage creep or mobility creep, it was the 3rd party system creep. AZERITE BABY "CHAMPIONS YOUR NEE--" This is kinda where retail plummeted as classes were no longer broken, but specific builds were. Where you could stack things like wildfire and corruption for certain classes which gave us gem momments where dks were soloing mythic lvl raid bosses from gear they farmed in regular mythic keys. Shadowlands move away from this an then gave us the legendary system and the class covenant system. The problem with that was, now classes weren't broken anymore, ABILITIES were. Think the hunt for DH, convoke for druids etc.. now classes were broken but only in their retrospective area of gameplay. What was broken in pve was not broken in pvp. But shadowlands pvp was okay, and shadowlands pve was great. So naturally the idea was "okay how do we balance the game so everyone can have fun" Introducing dragonflight *insert loud dramatic noise* DF is good, if you like pve. But the problem is, it gets boring after awhile an thats okay. Pvp now is in shambles because healers can't find room to heal between fake casting, kiting, and CC-ing, and dps players in PVP have gotten worse because traditionally they stuck with easier roles like healers ( I say that with a caveat, healing isn't easy) and are now pvping as dps or tanks. That's where we're at now. There's too much micro cc for healers to deal with, unskilled dps clogging up the traditional pvp scene, and a lack of competitive edge an integrity with constant add-ons or macros helping players cheat the system. With the new expansion on the way adding even more abilities an natural passives. You can almost read it like a book and see the classes they want to push towards "the meta gameplay" and then work on the other ignored classes as they get more data and feedback from players. WoW isn't a complete package anymore, it's a fort held up with sticks, glue, and a community suckered in by nostalgia.

Actually loved ferals in legion cuz of the bleed dmg.. not so much tab target but they had a slot in their legendary that made bleeds tick 33% faster.. that was great

@azracore3974

Ай бұрын

I thought they got that back with Circle of Life and Death?

just disable the micro CC abilities in PVP

Fixing it is simple...when you log in and choose your toon you choose if you wanna enter the players lounge...on that lounge you can choose what type of pvp you wanna play. Otherwise it's just into the world. It allows for a stop point and a separate game altogether where they could manage it and it would have nothing to do with pve.

I'd be done for a hard reset, but you know there are so many people the collects/achiv hunt (myself included but I dont really care) that wont be happy. And thats probably the most player base

I last played during WOTLK and I just bought another subscription after 10+ years just to play Plunderstorm. What an awesome, fast paced game mode.

For me plunderstorm showed that you can have clean combat even with minimal abilities, while also making it way more approachable for a new player and also a better viewer experience as there are less things to track (kind of like a MOBA). Would be cool if they designed class specific PVP kits with a couple of abilities each similar to plunderstorm. It would definitely alienate anyone who enjoys current WoW PVP but I can't see any other way you can make PVP popular

@veppy4952

2 ай бұрын

MMO PvP is a niche to begin with. People don’t play mmo PvP to get a moba feeling lol. They wanna press buttons and more than 4. Have strategy with cds etc. there’s league, valorant, cod, and all other games that have what people want. There’s a reason ff14s PvP is fucking horrendously dogshit that no one takes serious and never will. They put everything into like 3-4 buttons and it’s insanely repetitive and boring.

@relyks8645

2 ай бұрын

Go try Guild Wars 2.. It turns this idea into an entire MMO

@hobosnake1

2 ай бұрын

I think at the very least, blizzard should make this as a followup to plunderstorm. Regular WoW bgs maybe rebalanced a tiny bit and simplified pvp versions of the class. They could do it as an experiment and see how people like it.

Make kiting alot more difficult to execute. Have some classes with a high skill cap. Ull know uve succeeded when the majority of mid ladder is easy classes but it changes at the top. That way frost doesnt force you to watch as they bolt u down for 5 mins

Step 1: Fix World PvP and Casual PvP queues to introduce more people into the genre. Step 2: Introduce a ticket system for Solo shuffle where the weekly pvp vault would give free tickets and more tickets can be earned by playing rated 2s/3s and rbgs.

Great vid, I will say tho, Feral in Retail atm is mostly about landing cyclones, it procs a free feral frenzy on your next finisher. so CC is vital to your burst. Cyclone into a Bite (feral frenzy proc), Bite, into your own Feral frenzy into another bite. and the frenzy's stack their dot dmg. it's actually fun. the first couple seasons were just tab bleeds, but they added the new pvp talent half way through DF. So now it's a good, fun, playstyle for feral. But the game as a whole, sucks ass.

Hope Soda gives the new expansion a proper shot. Love his wow content/streams. Still have hopes one day Onlyfangs will return for the lols and try finish BWL - people are 100% going to die and it'll be a mess but that's the best part.

people wanted old talent system and be able to pick more talents but imo that sht backfired rly hard

@ziudra91

Ай бұрын

Its honestly way too complicated. I have no idea what to pick. I have to look up a guide. Vanilla talents was more simple and easy to understand

@EternalAngel333

Ай бұрын

@@ziudra91 ur vanilla talents didnt do anything and there was 0 CHOICE unlike back in mop

@fnzvsaz5216

12 күн бұрын

@@EternalAngel333 mm yes the old mop talent, so much variety and creativity, which useless talent should i pick today from the 3 useless option;))9

@EternalAngel333

11 күн бұрын

@@fnzvsaz5216 yea.. youre already far gone to believe that mop talent tree isnt better.. how much choice do you get in DF ? none. enjoy ur cookie cutter talent tree with pretty much 0 choice

@fnzvsaz5216

11 күн бұрын

@@EternalAngel333 i dont play that trash dragonflight, btw by this logic youare already far gone to believe the mop talent tree is better. goodbye

They really need to bring back conditional buffs and debunks that aren't just cooldowns. Make it so you set up damage or healing itl slow the game down a lot and make it more methodical without sacrificing skill.

22:40 You fix this by using your brain and finally create class balance and design seperately. A kit for PVP and one for PVE.

Saying they should delete everyone's SoD characters for Phase 4 is the most insane take i've ever heard during the entirety of SoD so that's impressive. There's 0% chance that would ever happen and it makes absolutely no sense.

@Ty-oe4dr

2 ай бұрын

soda is out of touch and thinks things should be as inconvenient as they were 20 years ago

@thiccroman

Ай бұрын

@@Ty-oe4drI mean the alternative is to keep the current culture where two people leave a normal pug every time a boss dies because “we killed it too slow”.

blizzard: "we are going to roll out SoD in 10 level phases so the people who don't have much time playing can catch up" soda: "f 'em. Oh this was the only thing they played in their free time besides work and family? F 'em. Have them start over." Brilliant business strategy.

@ENJ00Y_

2 ай бұрын

Alright genious, lets hear your brilliant idea.

@AlexAegisOfficial

2 ай бұрын

@@ENJ00Y_ idea on what? Nothing has to be done, for once blizzard is doing things right. And it shows, SoD is super popular. If you want to be a hardcore sweat and race for realm first clears go to retail.

Not sure if it would help much but I think taking a look at how FF14 handles their PVP would help with the ability bloat problem.

I'd love to pick apart Soda's brain on MMORPGs and brainstorm ideas to make "modernized" like the games we have now. I've played a lot of different MMORPGs and miss it but at the same time don't have the capacity for it.

Just make a f2p arena game that have a practice mode in the client like valorant. Before you can start queue up in the real arena you need to unlock a healer and dps class. You unlock classes by completing tasks in the practice mode so you get a hang of the class and how arena works. When a healer and dps is unlocked you can start queue up solo or in premade on the same ladder. In every game there is a role rng so you will mathematically play healer every thirdgame = no queue times like in solo shuffle. And bring ingame voice like in counter strike.

I would be 100% down for a retail reset if we keep the transmogs and mounts. Slam the damage numbers down, gold down, XP more in balance, etc. Would be refreshing

WoW 2 Starting from vanilla plus would be cool

I accept a compleat reset at 60 if i dont need to refarm the runes lol

For me, it's simple. Blizzard forced nearly all dps classes into spread cleaving for pvp. So you end up targetting a bunch of players to get the spread started and then spam one or two other abilities on one of those players which makes the damage burst on everyone. Most dps classes now play like that and I absolutely hate it. But yea, the user interface is also garbage because it's hard to track anything without addons.

this is what i said years ago in shadowlands season 1. convoke for druids was supposed to be a pve change and it was so broken in pvp that you literally had to react in half a second to stun or los a dudu casting convoke right in your back straight out of invisibilty. same with combustion with mage. insanely broken but it wasnt as bad as convoke.

I think the way PvP and PvE was handled back in the day was OK There were the PvE specs that was worse for PvP and vice versa

honestly just ban all addons

@grimreaper686

2 ай бұрын

I think some addons are fine but weakauras is crazy or atleast limit what can be done with weakauras. Minor quality of life addons like bag addons and those I think are fine.

@Maiwang

2 ай бұрын

Yup - just get rid of em completely

@cmoney163

Ай бұрын

True

Honestly, I think they just need to remove combat add-ons from the game. You can keep your ELVui's and your bagnons, and altaholics etc, but they need to work on removing DBM, Weakauras, Gladius etc. The game will naturally get simpler as a result, they said in a very recent interview that they're aware of add-ons and need to tune fights in light of that. From a PvP angle, just do what they did for plunderstorm and totally block add-on's in instanced PvP, that would atleast "fix" the issue in PvP. For the people who will "but the base UI is bad", yes it is, and that's on Blizzard to fix. Ideally they would clean up the UI and release it in an update that also blocks add-ons in the same update. Don't forget that questie was an addon before it was a feature, same with bagnon and other add-ons that blizzard just baked into the base UI because of universal it was used. Remember how scuffed the base actionbars were until they made edit mode, basically copying ElvUI and other actionbar addons? It's been done many times, and they can do it again

@debatinghealer

2 ай бұрын

Just give us a button to revert back to the old UI me personally i've used it since 2004 and it's the UI i prefer it's clean and simple perfect for pvp

@Kurnhelios

2 ай бұрын

@@debatinghealer You can do that by just not using addons, I’m glad it works for you, but you’re at a competitive disadvantage by doing that. It needs to be universal

@debatinghealer

2 ай бұрын

@@Kurnhelios I mean there's been plenty of us that've hit high ratings using the old basic blizzard UI, unless by UI you're also including extension addons like Weakauras? I guess I should've said Action bars and minimap setup we all still used weakauras and the likes even back then b4 powerauras became weakauras but they were barebones compared to now where they're a bit crazy like mes's pack. Regardless I hate all the noises and visual shit in most weakauras so I tend to keep mine very minuscule

@jaded-harper

2 ай бұрын

knowing peoples cds through 3rd party things in any other game is cheating. in wow its incentivized to get addons that let u do that lol. just let that sink in

@Kurnhelios

2 ай бұрын

@@jaded-harper Totally agree - If wall hacks is cheating, but everyone has wall hacks, is it still cheating? If it's not cheating, then is it against the spirit of the game? Yes, absolutely it is, and that's the problem! In Fortnite there's a feature they created for hearing impaired users that basically displays a reticle that displays nearby gunshots and loot chests (which emit a noise), but EVERYBODY uses it because it gives such an advantage. This has parallels with WoW too, ie the totally deaf guild that clears mythic raids with total reliace on weak-auras etc so they can clear the raid due to no voice.

Best solution is they have to make pvp and pve completely seperate, make pvp servers like how old arena tournaments used to be. basically a private server. and they can balance classes that way. ive been saying this shit for years, pve and pvp being in the same game have ruined it because of how just insane pve has become

one good thing they got going is that the game feels pretty balanced so all they need to fix is systems if they gave pvp systems a massive overhaul like give every class 10-15 buttons max get rid of addons while making a better ui and give more and better incentives to play pvp maybe that gets you somewhere

Yk, asmon saying that every class should only have 10 abilities doesnt sound that bad anymore...

@holyflygon

2 ай бұрын

until you realize even in vanilla every class had more then 10 buttons and thats the dumbest statement hes prob ever made.

@hallo-mt5tx

Ай бұрын

@@holyflygon he said that you shouldnt have more than 10 in your combat rotation idk which classes had a 10 button rotation in vanilla wow lol

@holyflygon

Ай бұрын

@@hallo-mt5tx he eventually CHANGED it to rotational because he realized how stupid it was to say 10 abilities. EVEN with that parameter there isnt a single class in retail that has 10 rotational buttons.

@hallo-mt5tx

Ай бұрын

@@holyflygon he just clarified for the people who couldnt figure out what he meant, it doesnt even make sense if you think about it for 10 seconds and yes of course there are classes with more than 10 combat rotation buttons with multiple CDs and aoe

@holyflygon

Ай бұрын

@@hallo-mt5tx plz name the classes with 10 ROTATIONAL abilities and 30sec+ cds arent rotational abilities those are cooldowns. Rotations change for most classes between single target and AoE

Watching bg is way better than arena 🤷🏼‍♂️ missing the old days where everyone would do those awesome montages, like mercader used to do

@baraneo8195

2 ай бұрын

nah

@silveriusgaming

2 ай бұрын

@@baraneo8195 yeah dude u right it’s better to watch data analysis and a quarter of screen with something that almost looks like a game

@baraneo8195

2 ай бұрын

@silveriusgaming fallacies aren't a counter argument. If your current argument is the ui issue, that isn't mutually exclusive to arena. Hence "what's wrong with pvp", not just arena.

@jaded-harper

2 ай бұрын

@@silveriusgaming lmao u think high rated arena ui's are bad? just wait til u see high rated rbg players. (the few that still exist) shit looks like that meme of the terminator ui with the weather report

@yaboy1340

Ай бұрын

i think smaller scale bgs would be the answer. Maybe 6v6 or 7v7. for 2ish objective bgs mixed with flag ones.

I returned to wow since being away since 2010 and it was insanely different I wanted to pvp as well as pve but pvp just isn't there it's fun when you can get in a game but most times you spend forever in ques just waiting its so unfortunate

I love that soda of all are watching this Edit: Start over completely. I fully agree.

honestly every version of WoW should have transmog vendor, mythic+ in so compacity and a "raid" season and include the fated season where its "old" content but updated loot to what ever the current standard is. So in SoD at 60 once we clear naxx make MC a "fated" raid with the loot stat wise the same as naxx to keep old raids refreshing. Rotate dungeons in a mythic+ style season. Add achievements like in wotlk for cool mounts and titles. They solved these problems in retail but dumbfuck "classic" andies hate everything in retail because asmon told them so.

yeah not much they can do to save current WoW pvp. Best they can do is remove gear so everything is equalized so more people try it at least or just make something completely new like plunderstorm style action combat.

I Have to say, as a outlaw main, i can confirm that the mobility of the class and spec is kinda outrageous, especially with restless blades constantly reducing the cooldowns of them by 1sec per combo point spent. u can almost maintain a 100% uptime on sprint, its nuts

The problem with PvP mostly stems from population. So few people are playing nowadays. I think Blizzard has done a decent job at trying to make the new player experience better, but I really believe the only way to truly introduce a large amount of new players into the game and revitalize PvP is if the game as a whole went F2P. Nobody gives a shit about this game anymore because.

Long time druid main here, i dont recommend dragonflight pve rn if u wanna play feral, its probably the least satisfying xpac for ferals atleast for me, gameplay-wise and dmg numbers, both unsatisfactory, for me

I dont have time to play the game anymore but still fun to watch soda :)

im an idiot. i got 3k in shuffle when it came out and 3rd on the ladder for arms war. i dont have much pvp experience and was just dunking on all these pros like mes by spamming everything as soon as it came off cd. i was breaking sheeps, goofing, there was basically no thought involved but it didnt matter because my class was just better and the damage/mobility was too much to deal with, i remember people thinking i was dumb for using shockwave and bolt but now people understand micro cc is goated atleast in shuffles

I thought about this alot, and the only way they save arena, is complete revamp of "arena rating" Needs to be a different metric of what is glad etc, 2200, or 3300 is SO different season to season expansion to expansion that it only leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you are like 500 rating less than you were and not because of SKILL. Needs to be wiped and use different measuring system so everyone can be "reranked" and then it MUST stay. So your own personal performance can be measured across time against a non moving baseline. Blizz ruins it but giving a "skill" based activity with participation rewards by doing what feels like RANDOM rating inflation season to season. ALSO Remove addons from arena and hire a blizz team to implement A FULL pvp setup. Gladius. OmmiCC etc.. all built IN ALSO FF14, although has bad pvp, has its own set of simplified ability bars just for when you enter pvp. Arena should do this to avoid bloat and can independently balance it without affecting PVE

For how much Blizzard's been looking over GW2's shoulder via Dragonflight, I'm surprised they haven't taken a page out of their book for PvP. Builds, and how they function, with separate function depending if you're doing PvE or PvP.

I mean there’s a reason one of the best WoW players, Trill, is one of the best PVP and PVE players. He absolutely pumps damage on rogue in PVP.

Balance pve around pvp. Pretty simple. If pvp wasn’t so complicated it would be way more popular

i dont see the problem here? Just buy tokens and then get boosted by a demon hunter in 2s arena for rating?? Can't afford 80euros to get your seasonal gear? LOL skill issue, i guess

@Mordotz

2 ай бұрын

Pretty sure pvp is a lot more expensive than that

@SnootyMinotaur

2 ай бұрын

Main issue I quit pvping, nothing like queuing up against gladiators doing carries all day

PvP is treated as a mini game within the game. This causes players to suffer from extremely unbalanced classes for a long time. It's clear that the developers don't play pvp When we see updates that reduce DK's armor in pvp for example... When we finally have an update to fix problems, they even fix some but create others. It's sad to see that the solutions are simple and have been suggested by players for years, but completely ignored by Dvs.

want to fix pvp vs M+ ? Make 2 types of talents. one full tree for PVP and one for PVE same way that there is PVP and PVE gear...

What went wrong: DH has been overtuned for ALL of DF and nerfs did nothing. Too much micro CC in the game, nobody wants to play healer or caster. Casters now only play instant damage cause you can't get a cast of You can't play a healer that needs to cast to heal since you'll be F tier and low CR no matter what. TOO MUCH MICRO CC AGAIN. It is CRAZY, stun after stun and kick after kick and 0.5 second stuns. And MOBILITY. You CANT kite anything, it's not possible. Any class can cross the map and stick to you like glue if you're playing caster no matter how well you kite, it's almost eaiser to just tank the damage for the healer.

feral is pretty nice atm

It's kinda obvious they're leading up to starting over with retail. Thats why, imo, they announced the 3 expansions at the last blizzcon. they're wrapping up this version of retail and will announce "wow 2". Wish they'd just do it now tbh. Retail end game is so bad.

Solo shuffle should have been 1v1s

Wow 2 is just way, way overdue. Could just go back to 10000 years ago or something, lore already there

maybe a pvp mode like gw2 with equalised gear and shit could work idk

@Larmol9479

2 ай бұрын

No

@caffec

2 ай бұрын

@@Larmol9479 why not? why have even have barriers to a dying game mode. The least they can do is remove gear its not like it going to make even less people play lol. whatever they do though there's no saving it.

Free to play PVP servers, rebuild classes with less buttons and no or less addons

Cant wait to see Soda playing warwithin❤️‍🔥

One of the big problems with PvP is it's too top end heavy and punishing to the newer/lower player base. cant get invited to a 1600 rated 3s or rbg if you dont link multiple 2400 achi, and the majority of the pvp player base just pushes to 1800 or 2100 to get the mogs then stop altogether. ez steps in the right direction, something similar to the vicious mount system where after you earn this season reward you can grind out an old reward, requires literally 0 work from blizz and will keep the low to mid tier player base more active at least for a bit. harder steps the pvp community needs to stop shitting on new people, dont hate message the person playing healer for the first time, dont have pikaoboo smurfing on 1300 for clips, help the people trying it out to learn instead of leaving the second you think they didnt trade a CD correctly. balancing and overall direction changes are complex and hard to really predict, but more rewards for playing more and not getting a death threat cause i trinketed a kidney when the rogue still had shadowy duel are both simple things that will help.

enhancement in shambles

Wow is to complex overall right now, and takes to much time to invest to have good gear or be decent good.

Let's try getting rid of healers, replace with tanks and give everyone just more self substain and less buttons. simplify a lot of the game also. DRs are just dumb. if i get stunned or slowed or anything just pput me on a x sec timer where it cant happen again. get rid of 90% of stuns and buttons that dont let pepole play this class. make it more skill based and easier to understand

PvP was better when the focus wasn't solely on are a. BGs have always been more fun

For me the 2 problems for PVP has become the fact that the playerbase have been spread so thin between the 50 different versions of wow expansions and private servers that the regular retail 2v2 and 3v3 ladders are completely barren and only giga tryhards and botters are playing. Its too sweaty to even play 1800 rating. The other problem is the weakauras and other addons raising the skill floor for everyone and making it mandatory to have to compete. Class design has been getting better and better and more fun for every expansion that has been released, and war within wont disappoint in that regard either. Fun for me is the most important, and feeling OP is fun. Balance is boring and thats why usually the first patch in every expansion was the most fun for me personally in every expansion. The more balanced the game gets the more boring it is

I do WPVP. I tend to end activities when I show up. Don't allow WPVP players to group up. Problem fixed.

I'm here waiting on a infinite blitz Q...

I didn't do plunderstorm for the cosmetics, and there is no way I push pvp rating for cosmetics. Blizzard has long killed the completionist mindset. Just do content you enjoy and farm garrosh shoulders.

Anyone knows if soda is going to play cataclysm?

@mazytm3658

2 ай бұрын

ofc he will

I think what made plunderstorm so successful from my pov (a mainly pve player who has done very little pvp) is its simplicity in the pvp aspect of the gamemode. The way to 'fix' pvp and get more ppl playing would be to rework all classes and simplify them with much less buttons and less autistic gameplay. But is that really what the pvp'ers want? idk

@hobosnake1

2 ай бұрын

I think the entire game could be more enjoyable with a bunch of pruning and simplification. Probably easier to balance, too. I don't think many players want this. I have been cutting edge, so its not because I cant learn a class. It just makes sense. Especially if you want the zoomer audience, which they need. Old gamers aren't gonna carry WoW for much longer.

@danwhitaker816

2 ай бұрын

@@hobosnake1 idk maybe its just the type of player I am, what I can and can't do idk, but the complicated part of specs and classes etc is actually quite fun in PVE because you have more time to think and work on improving things from pull to pull or dung to dung etc, but in PVP you just die in 2 seconds as a new player because you dont understand the huge amount of new information to learn. Id have to see the perspective from a new player in PVE, but I think its definitely harder for a new player in PVP than PVE

@hobosnake1

2 ай бұрын

@danwhitaker816 I feel ya. I've tried to be good at pvp but you just have to get dumpster'd for so long just to understand the basics. It feels like overwatch but every other ability is an ult. It feels insane to me. I do really well in pve too. Used to do cutting edge when I cared more.

"How do you fix this?" You don't fix this. In MoP the playerbase used to be 50/50 split between PvPers and PvErs. Ever since they doubled down on M+ class design ever since Legion it's soooo bad it's killing all incentive for PvPers to play - it's an infinite negative spiral of PvPers quitting and therefore there being even less incentive to design in a way that would be good for PvP. Also, it's extremely clear Blizzard does not share your vision at 13:05 that proper long CC is fun, at all. They've been making this clear for ~4 expansions now. However, when it comes to PvP Blizzard is generally **completely** clueless (especially the people who came in at around the mid/end of MoP and afterwards, who started to make a mark on the game from WoD and onwards). At this point it's essentially impossible to fix the class design unless M+ is radically re-designed to not be time based and to not focus on big AoE pulls (instead focusing on CC and killing things one by one), which is most certainly not going to happen. Note that the main reason why it ever got this far is Ion Hazzikostas. The man hates PvP with a vengeance (he hides it quite well, being the lawyer he is) and is the epitome of a "shut up PvP guy" person.

Just know that everyone I play with will quit if we have to relevel just to play at 60 when levels all the way to 50 already

Blizzard doesn't have enough content to start over. They have enough content to last a few months. I dont understand why they all suggest this when they won't play regardless of if they did this. It only hurts the active playerbase

Why don’t they work around skills for only pvp, once you get in arena you get access to your pvp talents, and in open world is the regular… then you wouldn’t have this problem that skills get tuned for M+ instead of pvp Also Blizzard really needs to step up, they are letting all their IP’s down, WoW and Diablo are the only ones who barely stay on their feet

Everyone has a Mortal Strike huh?... I think I might have just discovered why nobody wants to play a Healer in PvP these days.

@debatinghealer

2 ай бұрын

It's been that way since MoP, prior to giving everyone a literal mortal strike everyone had a passive in their spellbook under general called Battle Fatigue

@darylsdog9521

2 ай бұрын

@@debatinghealerit was mortal wounds, there was also battle fatigue which was a blanket healing nerf to all healers

@grantx6

2 ай бұрын

Yep... Now try casting 32 flash heals across a 4 min game which every second gets less and less effective, with your teammates lining you every 20 seconds, having to fake 2 ranged kicks and fade every cc perfect just to oom bc your team keeps split dpsing. (Against an RDruid just flailing in the background with 15 rows of HOTS on their teammate. It's a joke. You don't even earn ANYTHING from pvp unless hitting 2100 this season, if u haven't last. Even winning 50 solo shuffle rounds last szn at 1800 rating gave you a title... THAT YOU do NOT EVEN get to keep. Literally what's the point? Earn a title for the game to remove it immediately next season?

@debatinghealer

2 ай бұрын

@@darylsdog9521 no it was definitely Battle Fatigue "Dealing damage to another player in battle causes them to receive 60% less healing."

Blizzard should at least hire someone that plays pvp lol

I honestly have no idea how or why people even play retail anymore.

I'm a console player. my cousin told me to play wow and oh my goodness WoW seems like only the older players have fun because I dont understand how you have fun tracking: 1. My Cooldowns 2. Enemy Cooldowns 3. Team Mate Cooldowns 4. Enemy DRs 5. Positioning 6. Team Mate Debuffs and more shit im probably missing

@iamishin7675

Ай бұрын

As far as competitive games go it's not that much. In LoL you're keeping track of your cooldowns, teammate cooldowns, enemy cooldowns(you have to learn every ability for every hero in the game), status of every lane, possibly jungle camp cooldowns, herald/dragon timers, itemization, ganks, positioning during teamfights etc etc. In something like Dota 2 it's even more. I will say, I think the worst part is just keeping track of how many abilities there are, and they constantly change every xpac.

Pretty easy in my eyes, I see the games I lose and why I lost then. ( been back less then 3 months and that’s after a 6 year break) Got 2050 2s and 2100 solo 1 first season. That was playing Frost mage. I noticed some healers would enable me fully and 1900 games felt like cake. Met others who it felt like the entire game was on my shoulders and impossible, huh the dps was too strong playing vs 1709 cr teams. Either way I could clearly see my mistakes , just had a hard time correcting them. Lots that go into playing area, my buddy who just started can’t break 1200, he doesn’t understand cc timing/ doesn’t and a bunch of other things. I believe you really have to dedicate yourself to climb. Huge grind, unless you’re blessed without ADHD. I just wish more people wanted to play , the solos q suck, 2s q takes seconds, pretty much same with 3s maybe a little less, rbgs is seconds or minutes also.

I tell you something they only Thing Blizzard needs to do and i promies on everything it will work make the Game like it was in Wotlk,Cata or Mop prob Mop overall is the best System build and upgrade the Mop System but dont destroy it build on it that doesnt mean take away Abilities just give new Stuff and let it like it was there and it will Explode ..

for me its the fact they nerfed ret paladin lol

@vaylox09

2 ай бұрын

That's some small dick energy rught there.

why cant you stream ascension i literally do i't all the time XD

@srambrero

2 ай бұрын

because you have 0 average viewers and he has 11000

@thefacts4440

2 ай бұрын

@@srambrero damn bro XD didn't need to kill him like that

Iaam shocked that people are still playing wow in retail - whatever expension it is, let alone pvp

tried logging in for s4 dragonflight. hopped in a bg q was over 25 mins long, logged off.

My main issue with Blizzard and PvP and even the game in general; 1. They are too fucking slow to make changes to underperforming or overperforming classes. 2. They need to remove all micro-cc or allow casters to not require line of sight when casting spells at melee ( similar to how PVE Mob's function). Often times you'll see really fast melee dancing in circles around the caster to make sure the cast can't go off due to line of sight. Pillar LoS is fine, but just actual melee combat LoS needs to go. 3. Rework damage thresholds during some cc's, doesn't make sense you can legit go from 100% to 0% in a fear sometimes.

I love you Soda, and I play wow mostly the same way you do, but I don't like your solution. Just prune the classes like crazy.

@Bramandin

Ай бұрын

And no more adding spells like before.

I'm a very casual viewer and I rarely even play wow anymore but I'm curious if someone could explain a good alternative to homogenization. Cause it seems like then you just have a meta where 90% of people play a couple of classes, is there a fix for that?

just give PvP andy's talent trees from former expansions that rotate every season, solved, enjoy.

pvp will not be fixed unless they completely make pvp skills-spells different from pve skills/spells

Start over with World of Starcraft. Lore villians etc already there.

I quit in legion when it came to being a committed full time wow player I played from burning crusade till legion and finished during the 2nd patch I just couldn't deal with bad updates for money when there's just better games out there for less money invested only returned for classic wow and a expansion up until dragonflight never played it don't intend on ever buying a expansion also In the future

I honestly hope Blitz doesnt get ranked or its gunna get even more toxic.

the truth is nobody cares about pvp is an after thought

Just curious if by getting rid of addons could be a small factor into helping WoW?

@Jubafree

2 ай бұрын

Yes it would harm the game short term but would be good long term IMO

someone said it in chat, this looks more like league of legends than wow lol

i feel like most ppl afraid of server wipes are ppl whove spent money on gold lmfao, at the end of the day its a game, who gives a fuck if it wipes, ur "hard work" and farming is invalidated after every patch since u gotta bis fair all over again lul?

i just want solo q rated arenas and bgs, and the ability to re q with team

@srambrero

2 ай бұрын

there are no teams in solo shuffle you play with and against everyone else

@jaded-harper

2 ай бұрын

the bg part is coming in war within. its up to duo queue tho

@jaded-harper

2 ай бұрын

@@srambrero he means he wants to be able to queue for traditional 3v3s but solo queue. most certainly can stay as group in that format since u have 1 team throughout the game

Fresh was pserver life

@22:45 You asked and i come to answer : PVP server PVE Server DONE . let the pvpers in the freakin pvp and the pvers go do their thing hitting some NPC keep the balance for each separately

heres some unrequested 2 cents from a lower level (1800) player on the state of pvp before I start watching Ironically, dragonflight pvp is possibly the most arena ive ever played. Before this, i maybe would play a few arenas a week for a ~2 months span for an entire expansions length. (started wow in cata) having said this, while the actual pvp was really fun, i had the mid life crisis inducing realization that the only people playing the game have BEEN playing non stop for a decade+; because you will NEVER get matched with "new" or "learning/improving" players in arena. Every single game for every mmr above 1k-1800 rated arena is played with a better than what most of wows history has considered this same skill level. Not mention the likelihood of you getting matched with a glad alt. This is fine if you are really itching to grind and improve, but more than certainly hardstops a large majority of players experimenting with pvp unlimited amount of other things i could moan about, but this is the overarching issue imo