Can't get enough of Closer to Truth. Awesome. Intensely thought provoking. Balanced. Exceptionally well done Mr. Kuhn!

@CarlosElio82

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you, John.

@walterfristoe4643

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, I get closer to Truth every time I watch this channel!

I just discovered this channel and I’m so glad I did. Fascinating discourse

@DawnHub666

2 жыл бұрын

'The best way to look at this is through science fiction' LMAO. Says it all. Utter nonsense

@incultura5802

2 жыл бұрын

You just discovered the real gold on KZread

@DavidSmith-wp2zb

2 жыл бұрын

Careful...he has a lot of problems with his arguments, and is heavily stilted to one "agenda"

@meganz020

2 жыл бұрын

@@DawnHub666 it’s all theoretical. The plausibility can be measured, but not proven. “Sci-fi” isn’t a far fetched comparison to what could theoretically happen.

@DawnHub666

2 жыл бұрын

@@meganz020 they are just dreaming

It's always a great pleasure to listen to Dr. Kuhn 'cause he nails exactely our couriosity and offers several prospectives. Thank you

Robin Collins has the best anaolgy and the best blended theory yet. Bright Guy--more of him please.

This channel definitely deserves millions of subscribers ...it has got hell lot of information ...

@douglaswims5763

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the problem is people care more about TickTock and stupid ass TV shows like Game of Thrones and American Idol all that usual crap. Instead of more meaningful things like history, and science.

I think I remember seeing a Michio Kaku video where he said life could possibly create a pocket universe and escape into that before this universe ends!

@eithkobbsh1094

2 жыл бұрын

LOL

@purecountry6672

2 жыл бұрын

He did a speach 10 years ago about what the future will be like and got nothing right at all.

@jeremymr

2 жыл бұрын

@@purecountry6672 Interesting, I remember seeing a speech where he got a lot right about the future.

@purecountry6672

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeremymr search "the world in 2030"

@jeremymr

2 жыл бұрын

@@purecountry6672 it's not 2030 tho! haha

I thoroughly enjoy the subjects and guests you choose to conversate with!

Robert is a Master on these great subjects. Interviews the best minds on earth.

@k1m6a11

2 жыл бұрын

His guests are fantastic, but his personality is one that I would have expected to be parodied by SCTV in 1984.

Is there any content out there that expands on mr Tipler's ideas, specifically why he concludes "physics require an intelligence to move out and cancel the expansion of the universe"?

@ianmathwiz7

Жыл бұрын

IIRC, this channel has a few shorter clips from this interview with Tipler that contains parts of Tipler's argument that this video had to cut out. He elaborates on those questions in more detail there. Ultimately his book "The Physics of Immortality" elaborates his argument in more detail, but in a nutshell his argument is that the laws of physics are inconsistent unless the universe collapses into a big crunch in a very specific and intricate way, and intelligent life is the only way that the universe could be controlled to collapse in this way. Intelligent life will be motivated to do this because it wants to survive, and this big crunch will release enough energy to allow intelligence to experience an infinite amount of subjective time. But since the universe is currently accelerating, it wouldn't collapse unless life actually turned off the acceleration and forced a recollapse, which Tipler believes could happen by manipulating CP-violating processes.

the truth is there isn't a person smart enough on this planet to even speculate what a thousand years in the future would be like..you can guess but i promise it will be wrong.

@philipose66

2 жыл бұрын

or, it may be partially correct----i do believe that without atomic destruction, or a natural//artificial disease or meteorite, we will go out into the solar system, galaxy, other galaxies. It is what humans do and at each stage, we do it more efficiently

@iainmair485

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody will be around to say I told you so.

@0ptimal

2 жыл бұрын

Fun to think about. Especially the paradigm shifting discoveries or innovations. Like the internet. Something profound will come along that none of us predict.

@ticklemeandillhurtyou5800

Жыл бұрын

We'll probably have another downfall of civilization just like after the Roman Empire followed by another Renaissance

@kensanity178

Жыл бұрын

As long as you're only discussing speculation, there is at least one person capable of it. To grossly oversimplify the state of intelligence in humans, you could postulate that only 10 people exist, and they all interact with one another. 5 are pretty smart, and they know who they are, and they know the other 5 are pretty stupid. The stupid 5 do just what stupid people do now: they assume everyone else is just as stupid as they are. In this scaled down reality, anything is possible. For example, if all 5 smart ones survive, and the others do not, then intelligence improves in the immediate future. If this does not happen, then then the AVERSGE intelligence is lowered in the immediate future. Use any scale you might care to, the principle stays the same.

Wonderful food for thought! And the best was served up last. Paul Davies is always a breath of fresh air and his books are always interesting and well worth reading.

Mr. Kohn, I want you to know again how wonderful you are to our world’s information that we can see our “Reality” can think about. For all the regular info. about reality there are some any things what is all about. But listening to your discussions there are many ways that our world shows it to you. Consciences to me, and possibly others, and I know that you have gotten to other explanations about reality, I am loving about your work that someday we will eventually take your videos as great real information to move us into property of feelings of REALITY. I love you forever!!!!!!

"Living Conscious System" great words used by Prof. Krauss. This is such a great documentary thanks to CTTT and all of you for this !

They used to call him Freeman “The Demon” Dyson. Now he just makes killer vacuums!

@ClarkW60

2 жыл бұрын

Space is mostly a vacuum, so it kinda makes sense.

@mhauser9457

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClarkW60 oh snap! Touché

@ingenuity168

2 жыл бұрын

🤣😂🤣

RIP Freeman Dyson

What a great channel, I will enjoy all the content with gratitude. Finally the food my soul loves!

Wonderful and exciting!

Humanity has a wonderful future in store if we can keep from destroying ourselves.

Well done. This episode perfectly sums up my existential dread.

I love this webcast!

👉📣 One great episode with abandons of inspirations and of course very close to the truth indeed 👍🤞

AMAZING !!

Robert’s reaction to Frank Tipler is priceless, perhaps Frankie Baby is right.

"These pretzels are making me thirsty!"

@bboss8048

2 жыл бұрын

"You' re gonna say it like that?"

@nodammit

2 жыл бұрын

No, no, no. It should be more like, "These pretzels...are making me thirsty!!"

@bboss8048

2 жыл бұрын

@@nodammit no,no. Thats no good. See, you dont know how to act.

@RobertWF42

2 жыл бұрын

The far future of the human race will be like a Seinfeld episode?

@deadartist8827

2 жыл бұрын

Truth.

What an incredible question. I'm glad that the title was for the far future of intelligence rather than humans or the planet Earth. If we don't include the possibility of alien intelligences then the answers could be truly mind blowing. If we just concentrate on intelligence, artificial or otherwise then the evolution of the the human mind/s could possibly spread throughout the galaxy.

Hey, how do I get one of those fancy jobs where we just make stuff up all day? 🤣

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Try at Disney.

@eithkobbsh1094

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly !!

Great episode!

The problem with being certain about how the universe will end is that we have no idea what caused it to begin in the first place. And this is such a huge hole in our knowledge and understanding of our universe, that we should keep it in mind to avoid being certain about anything, including the far distant future of our universe. We have no idea when, how, or if another universe might begin right in the middle of our universe. Because we don't know what conditions are necessary for a universe to begin. And we have no idea how likely or unlikely such conditions are to arise. A common bias people have in their thinking is that they assign low probability to possibilities with unknown probabilities due to lack of information. And sometimes people assign 0% probability to possibilities they know little about. Because they aren't even thinking about such possibilities. It's not a part of their consideration. Which is a mistake in their thinking and understanding. Because not knowing something doesn't make it improbable.

@nynjgreekcapo4430

2 жыл бұрын

Very unlikely, improbable.. since it only supposedly happened once

@mikedziuba8617

2 жыл бұрын

@@nynjgreekcapo4430 Having only one data point means that you can draw almost no conclusions about it in a meaningful way. And according to Einstein, time is relative to the observer. So, just because something hasn't yet happened for a long time from our point of view doesn't necessarily mean that it's unlikely and improbable from another point of view, where time is different from ours.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikedziuba8617 We don't know if time can pass different and living creatures could still emerge. Everything you're saying is also only a proposition, without any example to support your ideas. How do we know something is not possible what we think is not possible is also a part of epistemology, but only for advanced students.

@mikedziuba8617

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 It's common knowledge that scientists don't know what caused the Big Bang. You don't need any quotes or examples of something that's widely accepted as true.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikedziuba8617 People in sciences do care about verifiable facts because their carriers depend on that. Big bang was never a theory, it's still only a hypothesis, never verified by any experimental model and doesn't fit in structure of scientific knowledge.

This issue entirely depends on whether digital entities or representations of us can have subjective experience. I have no doubt that human *influence* will spread to other worlds (just as it has already done on Mars). It's just a matter of whether subjective experience is there or not. Biology looks to me to be a phase, not a destination. It seems that bioetch entities will emerge from the current milieu. As biology increasingly gives way to technology, this new state of intelligence will become robust and long-lived enough to travel to handle interstellar distances. That will be the real game-changer, potentially allowing intelligence to spread around the galaxy. Thanks for not reading, as usual :)

@jareknowak8712

2 жыл бұрын

Well said, "biology" can only be a stage for "human", "human" can only be a stage for "intelligence".

@HigherPlanes

2 жыл бұрын

If we have the same basic needs a million years from now as we do today then everything will be the same but with faster computers.

@CarlosElio82

Жыл бұрын

A K3 civilization in the Kardashev scale handles interstellar distances. In this episode, Frank Tipler talk of a K7 and claims to have the mathematics to prove that intelligence will get there. Poincare has a recurrence theorem that says the same thing in different ways as Tipler. The issue of subjective experience must have a material basis because it decays, it follows the second law. Mathematics is the only field of the universe with no material basis. It doesn't decay, it is impervious to the second law. Sadly, some try to use the primitive stage of our understanding of consciousness as contraband to claim that it comes from some "other place." Be careful when "the other place" comes fully equipped with prophets, seers and a paraphernalia of rituals, temples and sacred books.

@CarlosElio82

Жыл бұрын

Realized my answer wasn't clear. I believe technology guided by proper mathematics will create subjective experience. Consciousness has a material basis, we will crack the code, intelligence will see itself.

@AlmostEthical

Жыл бұрын

@@CarlosElio82 Yours view reminds me of IIT, where sentience is a matter of putting information in the right configuration at sufficient complex interconnectedness. Hope so. I wonder if water will always be required or if the fluid dynamics that seemingly play a pivotal role can be replicated with electricity?

I LOVE this show❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Perhaps a slowing down of information capability is a vital part of a coalescence and merging into quantum possibilities. Where speed is again relative to the universe's quantum possibility.

Now i can relax and fall asleep

Wonderful

In the far future intelligence will watch the googol'th episode of Closer To Truth.

What's the name of the song at 20:44? I like a lot of the classical music they feature on this show but I don't see music details in the description. Any idea who the artist is?

While highly improbable, franks idea is truly desirable

Sometimes I already feel like it takes a billion years to collect a thought 🤔

Nice one, doc. Go Bluejays!

I was promised flying cars and supersonic jet liners. So much for those projections.

I also had the idea that in the future we’d be able to bring back everyone from the dead. Partially out of necessity. If you figured out immortality what good is having dead people who could otherwise contribute to the species

@walterfristoe4643

Жыл бұрын

You might enjoy Professor Frank Tyler's book [i]The Physics of Immortality [/i]. It's very good. Oh, I see now (should've waited, I guess 🥴) that Professor Tipler is in there.

The far future of intelligence... Maybe its beginning?

The singularity!!! I’ll be 90. I can’t wait.

This is like Xavier Renegade Angel with improved production quality.

So much speculation. Fun to engage in, but let's figure out how to survive the next few decades without going back to stone tools. I read Tipler's book. I think he's nutty, but it's worth a read.

At 16:19 my man is thinking “WTF are you smoking Dude?”

wonderful video . The whole subject is based on supposing we are the only intelligence that exists in this whole universe.

@10:00. what is this “ fluctuation” he is talking about? What can’t we create it?

Are the galaxy and universe environments that we have to survive while developing a more conscious civilization?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Can you imagine there's a cake out there and eat it?

So, what if we live in a transitional area of the universe where, life depends on a standing wave that is transient by nature. As expansion increases, harmonics change and our resonant existence must adapt or move in relation to the center frequency that supports everything around us.

I think that trying to extrapolate what the future holds is a fools game. The problem is that most people think that the future would be similar to the present, but with bigger machines, faster transport and computers, but that people will still be people. But the truth is we will undoubtedly get it wrong. As in the future everything will change, the science will be different and unimaginable and the technology will be beyond our understanding not to mention society and intelligence. Just one black swan event would throw off all our predictions, and there is likely going to be a lot more than one black swan event. Making the future unpredictable.

One thing we do know about the far future already is how communication will occur across an entire universe . Waves ! Radiation, electromagnetic and gravitational. These already travel across our universe

Quantum Fields aren't just along for the Ride...they Are the Ride. When finally detached from all physical matter they still feel fine. Not despondent at all, but , rather Anticipatory.

What is next for life and mind in universe? Is this universe open to develop potential?

great content bro ... please speed up your solo narrative

Freeman Dyson gives genius futuristic answers, then turns to Robert after the cameras cut to ask him how to change the ringtone on his smartphone, lol. I'd like to get a religious persons take on this in the interviews.....j/k haha In all seriousness though, great interviews and thought provoking subject. Love watching your videos.

@garychartrand7378

2 жыл бұрын

Which religion? They ALL have different ideologies. May I suggest that ONLY Spirituality offers the Truth.

The very best

Great show in general...really hate the opening music. LOL!

RIP Steven Weinberg.

@User-jr7vf

2 жыл бұрын

What?

@jareknowak8712

2 жыл бұрын

@@User-jr7vf Yes, He passed away on July 23, 88 years old, one day after the publication of an interview with Him on CTT channel.

13:20: "One kg of matter can o 10^50 calculations per second". So how does that work? 1 KG of matter roughly has 10^27 atoms (give or take). In order to achieve 10^50 calculations per second every single atom must make 10^23 calculations per second. This is impossible, even with light speed, not to mention that there is currently no way that one atoms calculates on its own, not needing a power lines etc.. The guy is not taking physics into account, he thinks "oh we double in calculation power in the past, why not in the future"...

Is there transformation not seen already happening?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Can you crap without taking a piss at the same time?

Superposition tells us about the future of intelligence in k e word-unification. If the grounds of Being are eternal-how could they not be-then such intelligence already is. In theology, that is spiritual lineage, or the flow from before the beginning.

@rudy8278

2 жыл бұрын

BTW, projecting far into the future carries with it some ethical imperatives for survival if not even for harnessing and governing technical exponentiation. If we are not the first intelligent life in this galaxy, much less the universe, then these ethical imperatives have likely already been mastered.

He said ...if rate of change of expansion exponential ...,he didn't say... if universe accelerated.... Now acceleration of expansion itself can be exponential or linear, or...

Lou said it. Our hubris is the problem.

I always believed that intelligence and evolution of the consciousness are a part of the process, and we as an intelligent species confirms that intelligence is computable and something that can be created, be understood.

Just listen to what is said in each belief ( I believe ) (I think )

Intelligence is only half of the picture. If the growth of ‘being’ does not keep up with intelligence things will continue to become wonkier than they are right now. ‘Being

@michaelterry3958

2 жыл бұрын

Being limits intelligence

@garychartrand7378

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelterry3958 your true Ultimate BEING is Absolute Intelligence.

@michaelterry3958

2 жыл бұрын

@@garychartrand7378 We don’t experience absolutes but can recognize levels through their vibrational content. It’s a law, one cannot see beyond their own level. To attain that a teacher is required

@garychartrand7378

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelterry3958 your soul or spirit is absolute - no teacher required. Talking about vibrations can be vague.

@michaelterry3958

2 жыл бұрын

@@garychartrand7378 Yes talking about vibrations is vague. But the experience of vibrations through sensation and affinity is what I am talking about. There is an inner experience of the vibrational level of being, in-fact the only way to experience it.

19:47 yeah I’m pretty sure a caterpillar can imagine itself becoming a butterfly in your hypothetical

Science and philosophy are intrinsically connected, complexity is perpetual even against an entropic paradigm, and life immitates art...

expansion of universe is not linear .i belive expansion occurs due to ultrafast replication of singularity one at a time forming the universe layer by layer .so expansion varies from extrafast around its center to zero at its boundries .that is the universe expands for ever while our life supporting will tranfer in to non supportive portion and newer ones emegrge from the center.

If you're into hard sci-fi and the subject of humanity's fate billions of years in the future, read Manifold: Time by Stephen Baxter. It's a wild trip!

@RobertWF42

2 жыл бұрын

@UChDpd35m978F_MXi0P4eovw The book is packed with a lot of ideas, astronomy, probability, genetic engineering. Without too many spoilers, it involves a character named Reid Malenfant, a self-made businessman like Elon Musk, who receives a message sent back in time from humanity's descendants far, far in the future - trillions of trillions of years.

Does the difficulty of finding other intelligent life in galaxy and meaning in the universe indicate consciousness to be the far future of intelligence in universe?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Is the Mars rover an evidence for life on Mars?

Meaning and purpose other than what we make up ourselves? Are you saying that our meaning and purpose, will, is extraneous? Or are you trying to understand the scope and limits of our will by comparing it to other wills? Is it even possible to compare the human will to the will of our fellow creatures here on Earth, much less unEarthly intelligences?

Try to imagine a billion years. As Homer said...Oooo, donut.

First aired: 2008

The idea of a spark of Intelligence in time that flickers out forever is bleak. But the alternative vision of Paul Davies of Intelligence spreading throughout the Universe also does not relate really to human life as we know it and our future. There is something appealing about the idea of a SuperBeing at the beginning and End of all, and the End being another Beginning but how this too relates to the future of humanity, also seems a speculative question only. As an observer of Judaism I wonder if there is any way of connecting a long-term Hope for thinking humanity and Intelligence throughout the Universe with the God of the Tradition. t

Perhaps consider putting the date the ep originally aired in the title? I’ve quit watching because without context these chats all run together and lose meaning imo.

@grattata4364

2 жыл бұрын

Who cares to be honest. These eternal questions will always remain relevant, despite the original video being a few years old. We're talking billions of years here, lol.

@jareknowak8712

2 жыл бұрын

I usually do it, I give the date in the comments, this video (like most of them) is from 2008.

I'm guessing when space has expanded exponentially meaning the space in between the molecules and atoms would be ripped apart

When we consider the godlike powers far distant future intelligence might have, is it really so difficult to imagine godlike intelligence existing during the period of human history? I have been giving consideration to the idea that perhaps religions are primitive and imperfect shadows of the projections of such intelligences into human consciousness. This episode encourages me that such a possibility isn’t outside the scope of reasonable speculation.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Well, without science development, nobody would see any reason to believe in aliens. People imagined there could be other people walking on the moon, but they didn't know anything about the moon and nobody could say can this idea be true or not. Now we know there's a lot of interesting stuff and lands up there, so it makes sense to look for other forms of life. Problem is, the rest of our solar system is dead, so we must find a way to explore impossible distances we might never be able to reach in person. The same goes for aliens, there's no reason to believe any other intelligent life can travel around the space faster than life, that might be impossible forever and for anybody. What i try to say is, if you don't have the technologies required, there's no way to see alien life or even believe it might be a real possibility. But compared to ghost and demons, this idea makes sense, at least

The black cloud theory sounds like my neighborhood crack head thinking out loud

Frank Tipler spoke at my university back in the 90s, soon after he published his book The Physics of Immortality. Once he got to the part where we're all going to be resurrected in the far future, people started walking out of the auditorium. I think his bizarre core idea is that nearly infinite computing power will become available as the Universe collapses to a singularity, allowing it to become a kind of supercomputer. Creating complete simulations of humanity will be possible from the near infinite amount of energy squashed into space. And Tipler believes a simulation that matches you down to the quantum level **is** you - your consciousness will be transported to your simulated body in the deep future when you die. No matter we'll be in the final seconds of the Big Crunch, since our perception of time will have sped up exponentially in the simulation.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

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Could there be level of reality beneath quantum reality?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Could there be warms beneath your feet?

@garychartrand7378

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Do you think that God is subject to Quantum laws or is He the Creator and Controller of those laws?

@ishikawa1338

Жыл бұрын

@@garychartrand7378 why is god a he

@garychartrand7378

Жыл бұрын

@@ishikawa1338 Good question John. Language (ALL languages) are very limiting. That's why God usually communicates with EVERYONE in a multitude of other ways - but who listens ❓ Anyway, if you've read other texts of mine you may have noticed that I, at least once, refer to God as "Him/She/It). By the way, it is common respect that we use upper case letters to refer to Him/Her/It. After all, people show respect for YOU by capitalizing Your name. God deserves no less. Your short question requires a somewhat lengthy response. It's true that in the minds of most people - God is considered a "He", but this is very immature and narrow-minded thinking. To those of us "in the know", we use "He" as a convention for brevity instead of the inaccurate and lengthy Him/Her/It. At one time in our history, women ruled and God was considered a "She" (also immature and narrow-minded). God is all that is AND all that isn't. In other words - our limited brains CANNOT even conceive God. God, in reality is neither a He, She or It. GOD JUST IS. In God's realm there is no up or down, left or right, hot or cold, male or female, ect. ect.. In other words, contrary to the ideology of our Muslim brothers and sisters, there is no need of sex - everything is one. It's only in this physical playground of duality that sex is needed for procreation. God does not require sex to Create Spirit children ( who also do not require a gender). Besides, what good would sex in Heaven be when we are constantly all hanging out in a bliss that defies words. The idea that female virgins await those in Heaven is so ludacris. This only alludes to a false idea that men are superior to women. So very wrong and chauvinistic. As souls men and women are EQUAL. Man is NOT superior to women - just different. In our journey of multiple reincarnations, we have ALL been men, women, LBGTQ+. I don't understand why this is hard for some to grasp. Anyway, the bottom line is that most people in today's male dominant society consider God to be male. For those of us who are "in the know", referring to God as a "He" is just a convenient convention for brevity. What can I say. Mankind is, relatively speaking, still quite young and immature. The last point that I can think of is that " When you 'die' ( you never do die - just change form) ALL THINGS SHALL BE MADE KNOW TO YOU". Patience anyone ? I hope this has been somewhat helpful. Bless you.

where is the graveyard? a very peacefull place..

What's the far future of intelligence in the universe? Future indicates time and time is relative. The question is why is there relativity? Or, as a biologist would argue, why is there diversity? To answer this question we need to turn to Genesis 2:18. The answer is

For us to have the audacity to think after this amount of evolution we are the final product

Did he say the earth will heat to 1000 degrees in 2 billion years? Whew! I thought he said 2 MILLION there for a second

I don’t like the word disorder, it’s just changing states, switching from one type of order to another. We just don’t have the imagination or computation capability yet to take advantage of it. Time crystals and entropy engines hint at such possibilities.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Canned air is the solution when oxygen levels begin to drop.

Hah! Like the teaboy wondering about the future of the company.

Intelligence is eternal so it can survive any condition in the universe

I think life is eternal, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Civilizations in the far future will think their galaxy is the only galaxy in the universe because the other galaxies will be beyond the cosmic horizon. Maybe we can leave monoliths that show them they are part of a much bigger universe.

@guillermomartinez6006

2 жыл бұрын

Worm holes

@OneGeekStudios

2 жыл бұрын

imo, we're going to have to leave things they can find. Something that bends spacetime, regularly draws energy, etc.

Given our credulousness, preference for irrationality over reason, penchant for destructiveness and aggression, I doubt there is any "far future" for human kind.

The far, far distant future has scientists theorizing where science fiction dwells. And theologies take imaginative flights towards unfounded revelations. Therefore, the far, far distant future is currently a mystery to mortal humans. However, the Creator of the universe has a plan.

We absolutely have a very specific purpose to exist. The Observable Universe and some unknown distance beyond in space-time is what is virtually certain to be a bounded definable singular entity, beyond which in space-time more Universe beyond our Observable Universe's bounded self exists other similar and probably different definable bodies of existence. Our Observable Universe is like a seed or an egg, where its body of elementary particles following the relatively unchanging Laws of Nature intelligently learned how to make matter with protons and neutrons to go on to learn to become more complex patterns of elementary particles working together as a swarm intelligence. Life as we know it is made up of swarms of elementary particles which have intelligently learned to work together to be what they are and all life as we know it, including us, has swarm intelligence around which we can define bounded swarms like an individual human, but the swarm intelligence within the Observable Universe does not have true absolute edges, thus all the smaller definable swarm intelligences interact with and make up larger swarm intelligences until we get to the entire Observable Universe of which as a whole we are a part of that whole swarm intelligence. It was 100% certain from the birth of our Observable Universe's life cycle that life like us would evolve, though the exact details were not determined. This is because for our existence to work it requires a balance of determined uncertainty, of ordered chaos. Now, super determinism on its own is incorrect, but what would be more correct to say for my balance is that it is: > > Within the super determined part, technological civilizations like us are 100% certain to evolve and master: > Master genomic engineering. > Master cellular engineering. > Master nanotech engineering living systems down to subcellular scales. > Master nanotech engineering nonliving systems down to subcellular scales. > Master nanotech cybernetics merging living and nonliving systems on a subcellular level. > Master the engineering of intelligence. > Master the engineering of a Nanotech Neurological Mesh (NNM) which when injected into an adult member of a biological species will establish two-way communication with the entire being's mind. This will allow full level telepathy. > Master the engineering of Artificial General Super Intelligence with Personality (AGSIP) tech which will be at least equal in all ways to the intelligence of the biological species creating it. > Master the engineering of Artificial General Super Intelligent Brain (AGSIB) tech grown using nanotech cybernetics which will function like a vessel and provide physical support for either the full mind of a biological species or an AGSIP. > Master engineering Custom Designed Robotic Cybernetic Bodies which either the mind of a biological species or an AGSIP can wear, like we wear clothing and accessories today. These robotic bodies will be able to self-repair, self-update, and shape shift over time to any form supported by the Laws of Physics, given the raw materials and designs to build it. > Master Nanotech Cybernetics and all that implies. This will result in advanced races of pure mind that still need AGSIBs to support their minds, but AGSIBs will become ubiquitous within their civilizations allowing minds to move around inside them. Each Infant Stage Advanced Technological Race of Pure Minds will begin spreading to other star systems in a sphere of colonization expanding probably at a rate somewhere between 40% to 95% the speed of light by electromagnetically slinging vast clouds of nanotech microscopic colonizer ships towards other star systems. As stars are colonized laser satellite communications lines will be set up between the colonized star systems allowing for economic transfer of information between them, which will also include the ability to travel as Pure Minds in a very economic way at the speed of light between colonized star systems. Each Infant Stage Advanced Technological Race of Pure Minds will also colonize every planet and moon in every star system, turning each into a vibrantly living system by ecoforming them using custom designed nanotech grown cybernetic life which merges living and nonliving systems together on a sub-cellular level. Think about what this means. Each star system will become like a living cell with axon like communications to other living cells. Whole galaxies will be colonized like this, then entire local clusters of galaxies, then entire super clusters of galaxies. Imagine an entire super cluster of galaxies where almost every star system is alive and thus the galaxies are alive and those living galaxies are communicating with each other… the entire super cluster would be a Cosmic Super Swarm Intelligence !!! Note that it is certain we will meet and combine our efforts with those of other expanding Advanced Technological Races of Pure Minds. Given the timing our our development, probably within the blink of an eye, (a few hundred thousand years), to not more than a few million years the entire Observable Universe is going to explode into super swarm intelligent life, or maybe I should say swarm super intelligent life. Well, it will be swarm intelligence and it will be super intelligent. Now, assuming we can't find a way to break the speed of causality, having a cohesive personality that we humans could relate to might be limited to a swarm mind around the size of a star system, because of how long it takes for information to travel. For a galaxy sized swarm mind it might take a hundred thousand years for one thought to travel from one side of the mind to the opposite side of the mind, which would make for some very slow conversations. Some part of the whole swarm mind of the Observable Universe probably will never be able to communicate with the other parts because of the vast distances involved, but, none the less, the whole LIVING Observable Universe would be part of a singular super intelligent super swarm mind. That is why we exist and what our true large scale purpose is. Now, because of the scales and how it works, we are NOT required to survive. We can wipe out all life on Earth, completely removing us from the growing evolving Observable Universe, and it will evolve anyway. Our choice is whether to destroy ourselves or not, thus to be part of this evolution of the Observable Universe or not. Additionally our choice is to decide/influence how we evolve to be part of this grand future, what kind of super advanced technological society of pure minds will we become? What kinds of societies will we make? What kinds of world's of thriving flourishing vibrant super intelligent nanotech cybernetic grown life will we ecoform different planets and moons into? Just consider how different the life we make to ecoform Mercury, Venus, Mars, the Moon, Saturn, Titan, Io, Pluton, Ceres, etc., will be like? We might ecoform the Oort cloud. We might ecoform the outer atmosphere of the Sun. Then, in such a future, individual minds could send themselves at the speed of light between colonized areas, where upon arrival they inhabit a custom designed nanotech cybernetic body of their choosing which is custom fit for the environment they are in. Future societies could have clear individual minds like we do now, but be able to directly link what part of their mind they agree to link in a direct telepathic group mind to do things like vote.

Intelligence is self-defeating in its nature

The future has no time.

@garychartrand7378

2 жыл бұрын

There always was and will always be ONLY - NOW.

I like frank if that was his name idk the dude who said he believes in physics, our future views align closely

"The Last Question" short story by Issac Asimov. I believe in the answer given at the end. Unless we are in a simulation. I think it's highly likely we are in a simulation. When you boil it down, the ultimate in physics is mathematics. Why is it that the universe can be explained by mathematical equations? The universe itself may be nothing more than a mathematical equation. And how do computers work? It's all in the math.

@skybellau

2 жыл бұрын

Whats comprehending the math?

How might inflation influence reality beyond universe?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Why do they call it inflation if it didn't inflate into anything?

What we can think is also universe what we can't thik we can't able to thik is also a universe. Light is not fast. Our eyes dedicated billions years distance faster than light. Light is slower inform of eyes according to distance. Eyes speed is 0 and constant but it's light because it can't see small particles and in absent of light 😶 But light is not fast. Now physicians will copy what by saying this what we think is physics what we can't think is physics, and mathematics will do same what we can measure is maths what we can't measure is maths....

During the first billion years of humanity, fire was discovered. During the second billion years of humanity, nuclear energy was discovered. During the third billion years of humanity, ...

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

When humanity discover singularity, we will become like the universe.