What's the deal with Nocturne? || character design & lore discussion

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Everyone's favourite angry Nightmare on Summoner's Rift has finally had himself a lore update - so let's have a chat about the demons of League of Legends, how to write stories about them and why you shouldn't put giant obvious arm-blades and bulky shoulder-pauldrons on your subtle, insidious dream-shade.

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  • @mistermiles3271
    @mistermiles32714 жыл бұрын

    “Too many teeth” “Too many limbs” “Too long and spindly” “Moves in an unnatural way” “Stands still” Damn Fiddle’s already taken it all

  • @xunxhinexuicide

    @xunxhinexuicide

    2 жыл бұрын

    The whole time I was listening to this I was thinking. "So he should look like fiddles?"

  • @FlubbedPig
    @FlubbedPig5 жыл бұрын

    Something I find fun is there used to be a theory that Nocturne was Zed from the future or something, and now in his new lore, he's been connected to shadow magic. Seems like a fun little nod.

  • @RainyBoyLV
    @RainyBoyLV5 жыл бұрын

    I think that Nocturne would be scarier, if his splash-art would be a fragment of the actual Nocturne. Like if there was only a dim light showing only a little bit, like his eyes or something. That way when you look closer, looking in the darkness you see the darkness and... BAM! Too late he already got to you! There probably would need a little bit of a lore update for it, but I feel like it would be interesting

  • @Ladygothii12
    @Ladygothii125 жыл бұрын

    It's like Riot follows your videos and decided..." we must stop him"

  • @latrodectusmactans7592
    @latrodectusmactans75924 жыл бұрын

    Random idea: Have Noctune's body below the chest resemble an hourglass with black smoke/goo dripping through . The sand motif references sleep with Mr. Sandman and all that, and the hourglass also connects to the existential fear of time running out. It also makes Noctune look more surreal and weird, which he should since he's a dream demon.

  • @greenwren5072
    @greenwren50725 жыл бұрын

    9:37 They could bounce demons off each other. What if Evelynn and Nocturne want to consume the same person. That would be fun, they could have character developement, because "obviously" they would be too stubborn to let the race to consume the person go. 15:00 Too many eyes? Dark Souls? *wink, wink* 20:20 Nah, you don't need pants. Pants are overrated. 21:18 I always eat candy like that, I crunch it up, usually drives people up the wall, can't imagine why...

  • @AngelicDirt

    @AngelicDirt

    5 жыл бұрын

    You... MONSTER... You stop crunching that candy now... >:V

  • @FlutterSwag

    @FlutterSwag

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see a struggle between Evelynn and tahm trying to tempt someone. Or since tahm likes to drag out his torture over years and Eve over usually a few hours then how would tahm react if Eve killed someone he was feeding off of.

  • @gexianhen

    @gexianhen

    5 жыл бұрын

    evelyn has this one voice line when she talk to tham kench about staying away of her preys or some like that.

  • @Ladazotz

    @Ladazotz

    5 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure nocturn and eve might get along well. After eve got to the actual torture the fear of her might be enough for nocturne to feed off

  • @justascarecrow6988

    @justascarecrow6988

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Ladazotz Well.. perhaps the other way around? First have Nocturne soften the victim, Evelynn devastates them, leaves them barely alive and then Nocturne gets another final go.

  • @viktorthecreator4458
    @viktorthecreator44584 жыл бұрын

    "He's dangerous because he's spiky" so is Rammus

  • @silverblade95
    @silverblade955 жыл бұрын

    Make him a void champion. Where other void champions have been physically horrifying and represent the invasive nature of the void in the flesh, let nocturne be the invasive nature of the mind. He's Noc'Turne the insanity from the void 😂

  • @Pedropaulopoloni
    @Pedropaulopoloni5 жыл бұрын

    If changing the shape for each character is too much then maybe they could do something with his voicelines. Like, when he ults, each enemy player will hear the ''voice of their fear'', in Garen's case, as you mentioned, maybe he hears Lux's voice but it's kinda distorted and saying some specific line that's very mean to Garen. I don't know, still looks like lots of work but a bit more doable.

  • @viktorthecreator4458

    @viktorthecreator4458

    4 жыл бұрын

    with that idea why not go all the way like they did with fiddlesticks, have the line for Garen sound like a cry for help as he's forced to bring the blade down on his own sister for her sin of being a mage

  • @minty_fresch

    @minty_fresch

    3 жыл бұрын

    Fiddle does that exact thing to garen

  • @jrivera8575
    @jrivera85755 жыл бұрын

    You mentioned bouncing Nocturne off other carrecters and suggested Garen. But they actually do have an interaction. There is a story, including Garen, Lux and Nocturne. It's pretty good and it has some serious action scenes as well as a lot of mass physic horror.

  • @timothymclean
    @timothymclean5 жыл бұрын

    It would be neat if Nocturne would change shape when fighting different champions, but between making all the new models and probably animations, implementing the tech to have it change between any two arbitrary shapes, and figuring out which form to have him turn into at any given point (especially in big team melees when a whole bunch of enemies are nearby), the technical side alone would probably make it impossible. ...But Nocturne's base design could be a _lot_ better. Maybe keep the upper body mostly the same (minus pauldrons and giant blades), but surround it with a weird fog that shapes corresponding to common (or champion-specific?) fears fading in and out of the fog. If there was a way to make those shapes work as 2D sprites, they might even be able to make a specific shape or two corresponding to each champion's fears and choose the sets corresponding to enemy champions (possibly plus some "generic" shapes). That seems more practical than a context-sensitive whole-model shift.

  • @vortex594

    @vortex594

    5 жыл бұрын

    could have it be client side. each person sees a version specific to the champion they're playing.

  • @aetriandimitri190
    @aetriandimitri1905 жыл бұрын

    They are likely going to update his model like how it's described in the story and the image above it where he forms his own blades from his arms so he is like a shifting creature dripping black ooze and overall being unsettling

  • @leonardoluiz7487
    @leonardoluiz74875 жыл бұрын

    Firstly does a creature that can make you see your worst fears need to be scary itself? Nocturne is also featured in Garen and Lux story For Demacia. My take on Nocturne is along the lines of: he is basically a manifestation of darkness (the fear of the dark theme). The shoulders and blades are probably there to create an outline to make it easier to clearly distinguish his auto attack animation in game and to show players he is an AD assassin / fighter.

  • @undefinederror40404
    @undefinederror404045 жыл бұрын

    You said what I was thinking! Make him like a whispy cloud of smoke, or something that looks liquid, that floats over the battle field. Then it changes shape a bit depending on the last character you've hit: if it's a tanky character the cloud's animation becomes thin and fast, like it's going to dodge any attack and can easily outrun the tank. If it's a sniper of sort it does the opposite and the animation of the cloud becomes slow and thick, like a bulky character that does a lot of damage? To make up for time lost on all this work, you don't need any character animations. It doesn't have to respond to being hit or placing a good hit, it doesn't show any emotions. What do you do with an enemy that doesn't show if it's hurt? That makes you uncertain if you even hit it and if that even works? When will it die, can it even die?! All it ever does is try to intimidate the enemy, besides that you have no clue what it's plan or motivation is. It's unknown, it's alien. Hope that was worth your time to read.. :v

  • @RacingSnails64
    @RacingSnails645 жыл бұрын

    Nocturne actually looks really cool to me lol, just very dark and cold and unfeeling. but i see how his design isn't exactly striking or representative of fear in general

  • @darkrain4292
    @darkrain42925 жыл бұрын

    As a fan and a Nocturne main, im abit salty of his new bio. Its not like when you first started the game and hate all the new changes that your so much use to* but in storywise. in his old lore, yeah people feared him and he was unknown but what I liked was the Way he was written that i consider personified his showcase. Nocturne in his old lore wasn't a demon or a spirit in that emerge through shadow magic or whatever and haunts peoples dreams to feed on fear, he was a "Thing" of unknown origin that can't be seen but really there because he can kill people both in the real world or in their dreams. Like a children book that scared the kids and when they believed it hard enough, it became real like the bogeyman or slenderman became real to people because of someones crazy imagination, THAT! is what I liked about nocturne and why he was scary. He doesn't need to feed on fear or need to be scary because for that face that he - Kills without a purpose is what makes him scary. If a crazy guy goes around running on the street cutting and stabbing people up and he sees you, wouldn't you feel freak out and start running away from him? Thats what i see in Nocturnes old lore and thats what make him scary to me. killing without reason by a creature of nothingness, that is horrifying in its own right.

  • @cephalonsadistic9331
    @cephalonsadistic93314 жыл бұрын

    T B- I frequently take subjects like this and create my own ideas for reworks and lore etc for fun, and for the idea of shifting into your fear there is a solution. Making it client side makes it to impersonal and the player cant enjoy the transformation of their own nocturne but otherwise it would be hard to program, so instead to fit with the idea of isolation and personalized nightmare, Nocturne will alter his basic form while near one or fewer visible enemies depending on the type/stats of that enemy while emitting a personalized voice line based on the character- For tanks he can take his bladed, spiky form For mages a more amorphous shape or perhaps a visual size alteration or becoming covered in some form of armour or spell shield etc

  • @nimfadoro1169
    @nimfadoro11695 жыл бұрын

    I know we don’t talk about game design here usually, but I definitely think Nocturne would more functionally be an AP assassin as opposed to AD. The sword arms definitely are for the AD stabby dude, but the whole nightmare thing, in my mind aligns itself with magical damage.

  • @btd9lord

    @btd9lord

    5 жыл бұрын

    Taylor Mackey given its psychological, I feel like physical damage would be suited IF they turn it into a self inflicted damage. Not quite sure how that would work but seems pretty metal to me.

  • @PinoySamurai008

    @PinoySamurai008

    5 жыл бұрын

    Same, when I first saw him in the shop, I thought that he’s a mage of some sort

  • @reedawilliams3958
    @reedawilliams39585 жыл бұрын

    The easiest way to do the whole individual fear thing would be with voice lines.

  • @SoulDevoured

    @SoulDevoured

    3 жыл бұрын

    And fiddle gets another check. At this rate they should just delete nocturne

  • @youiri65
    @youiri655 жыл бұрын

    i seriously thought there was an audio error in the first seconds of the video lol

  • @snowbot8962
    @snowbot89625 жыл бұрын

    You’re really good at thinking up potential changes to champions, I love the ideas. On the idea of the mechanics of Nocturne’s design when fighting champions. What if his ultimate let’s him fly across the map THROUGH a champion and when he leaves them a second later, he takes the shape of their in-game counterpart for a few seconds? Possibly gaining certain battle stats in the process? Concerning the example you gave - if he ults an ADC, he could come out as a tank with more health and/or tenacity, but still utilizing his skill set. If he ults a mage, he takes shape of an assassin (maybe in his current design as a nod) and gains armor pen. He could possibly still fight other champs in the process with these mild buffs, but they are brief and only last as long as Paranoia does. Maybe they only apply to the person he ulted because it’s that character’s worst fear?

  • @FarCritical
    @FarCritical5 жыл бұрын

    A part of me still likes Nocturne's design by virtue of looking _kinda_ cool, but yeah, he could use some work

  • @jagerbudansew4291
    @jagerbudansew42915 жыл бұрын

    Nocturne's blades and pauldrons make me think he is some sort of remnant of a shadow assassin, I'd really prefer they explore that sort of character more, with some sort of corrupted failing form who is actually STARVING for fear and desperate to continue existing!

  • @colemanbrenner6555
    @colemanbrenner65553 жыл бұрын

    I got an idea to semi-reinterprite Nocturne. Ok, so what if instead on being this big bladed frown fear fart, he could be this parasitic demon who instead of fear, feeds on dreams. Nocturne could gradually feed on your dreams and desires until you're this gone, emotionless husk who can't feel anything except nightmares. Heck he could even appear in said dreams when feeding/destroying them as this incomprehensible thing. I mean, it's terrifying to know you're losing your identity, with or without a thing causing it. Also his shoulder armor (idk WHY he has armor) looks like eyes.

  • @an8strengthkobold360

    @an8strengthkobold360

    Жыл бұрын

    The nighmare Demon organs are in the shoulders.

  • @demiurgusgodofform8589
    @demiurgusgodofform85892 жыл бұрын

    My headcanon for Nocturne is that he was a Shadow Mage who was (ironically) killed in the physical world while his mind was traversing the dream world of Runeterra, looking to assassinate another Mage from an enemy faction. Low and behold, as his spirit is dissipating, he kills his target, only to inadvertently absorb some of the energy his target released upon their death, stabilizing his own fading existence. Lather, rinse, and repeat this process until he's returned to the spiritual mirror location of where his body should be, only to hear about his own death through the ears of a guard sleeping on the job. Now, in order to maintain his purely spiritual existence, he has to kill people ad infinitum, all the while absorbing the vestigial emotions of fear and pain in the energy released upon their deaths, which also slowly erodes his ownconsciousness and sense of self until only most core parts of his personality are left, to be further twisted and built upon by those vestigal emotions he's absorbed. This transforms his over time into the Nocturne we know today, an artificial fear demon created by sheer happenstance, and the story proceeds from there, largely unchanged. While this isn't the greatest backstory ever told, it a lot better than what Nocturne has know, and it gives him more to do than being just another demon. I'd also be very interested to see how he'd interact with real demons, like Evalen and Tom Kench, since he wouldn't be an actual demon anymore, and doubly so for Fiddlesticks, since they'd be cut from very similar cloth. Maybe Fiddlesticks (or at least the other demons) could even dredge up some of his old human emotions and memories by triggering those emotions Nocturne may not even remember he has.

  • @HydroKing2
    @HydroKing25 жыл бұрын

    Okay what about having him cause fear to the player? Im thinking making his ultimate a regular ability (nerfed a bit of course), a walling ability, stealth and a hard CC: an ADC’s worse nightmare. I also think a new passive that makes him start as a small shadow but grows and morphs as he kills or fears or something like that

  • @chukyuniqul
    @chukyuniqul5 жыл бұрын

    I feel like void nocturne is one of the skins whose splash art really sells the idea. It's like...I dunno, a thing you notice for a brief moment . But you know it's there. It seems unknowable, uncanny and it really, really creates a good atmosphere of unease. Dunno why. But yeah, that one's great. I feel like the best way to have nocturne is not as an "amorphous cloud of ink" but like a shadow that looks like one thing but it's not. Say you have a floating shadow sword but then arrows shoot out of it. That sort of idea.

  • @Moonscar05
    @Moonscar055 жыл бұрын

    Nocturne and fiddlesticks seem more like forces of nature that cannot be bargained with. Evelynn and Tahm Kench on the other hand have personalities which become evident from their voice lines in game even though their main goal usually is the pursuit of the next "meal". I could see characters such as Eve and Tahm be part of stories where Eve for example could cause political strife in a kingdom in a manner similar to the Queen from Snow White. Nocturne and Fiddlesticks serve as the boogeyman of League, the things that go bump in the night.

  • @KD-ho5ze
    @KD-ho5ze2 жыл бұрын

    Characters like Nocturne are like stories within stories. If ever they'll make a series that includes nocturne in the cast, he's probably that character that other people tell stories about.

  • @inabsolutedarkness13
    @inabsolutedarkness135 жыл бұрын

    It is based in the Water Elemental from Warcraft III mod: Defences of the Ancients.

  • @THEO00900
    @THEO009005 жыл бұрын

    Hmm here are 2 ideas 1 he gets a voice consisted many voices( personally i prefer them slightly off sync like Aldia from Dark souls 2) 2 according to what items you buy on him he gets bulkier and more physical with tank items or or more distorted and spikey with damage items. ( if you build him full mana regen he turns into a pink bunny)

  • @TigerBrows
    @TigerBrows5 жыл бұрын

    Your idea of Nocturne changing to suit what he's fighting is interesting, but like you said, the clarity of the design needs to stay - I can think of a couple different ways to incorporate that idea without sacrificing the silhouette. Maybe Nocturne's voice lines could change during his ultimate or first encounter, depending on the champion- For example, Against Lux, Nocturne could impersonate Garen saying "No sister of mine could ever be a mage! Die!" or against Garen he could impersonate Lux saying "Brother, I can't control it! Help me!" Part of the animation could be Nocturne's face changing, or maybe just the Darkness effect from Paranoia might have the victims' worst fears manifesting in the shadows. Of course, this sounds like a lot of work for the visual artists...

  • @pizzacat9687
    @pizzacat96875 жыл бұрын

    Ron Broyde did an amazing concept art for a revamped nocturne. He went pretty in-depth about how to make the character more visually "nightmarish" and proposed ways to make his blades more menacing rather than just there. www.artstation.com/artwork/XqmLy

  • @lazonaasombrosa8688

    @lazonaasombrosa8688

    3 жыл бұрын

    I cant see it

  • @generic_artist9527
    @generic_artist95275 жыл бұрын

    I think that your concept for nocturne is really interesting. I would like to see something that looks like from bloodborne onto league. I feel like the moonpresence would be way better as the nocturne of league.

  • @darklordstan6154
    @darklordstan61545 жыл бұрын

    Nocturne should take a page from DOTA 2's Bane. Bane has a quite unsettling character design.

  • @jyfoon5662
    @jyfoon56625 жыл бұрын

    15:00 I totally agree with you there, but perhaps a faceless creature instead, cause as mention in your earlier video about Xenomorph, we humans tends to look for eyes, mouth etc etc. SO went those are absent, fear will be there to fill that space. His gaseous face would be constantly and indefinitely morphing with multiple arms conjuring from his gaseous body. Arms that could be anything his prey imagines, may it be a enormous blade or Annie's bear. Anyways, thanks for reading hahaha been following ya for awhile now and I have to say Love all ya video!!!!! sorry, haven't been able to leave a comment till' now ahahh appreciate all your video! keep it up :)

  • @segafan2437
    @segafan24375 жыл бұрын

    i have an idea of how to make him a nightmare ingame. make his form alter based on his stats, give him resistance based on AD or AP. an "adaptive nightmare" (somewhat like kayn forms offering a playstyle change but less drastic visually) AD,---- gives him his current form with blades and enhances autoattacks, with a passive the same as the item "phantom dancer. AP,----becomes ranged focused,(empowering Q shadow trail somehow) doing magic damage grants him a shield that only blocks magic damage (roughly 20% of damage dealt as shield)...visual form changes, red blades change to blue "prongs" that tingle with magic effects. HP+defence stats but low AP/AD ---blades become two halves of a shield, greenish appearance, and nocturne's character model grows in size. gains 15% damage reduction perminantly, R now stuns,less range and empowered spellshield. might be a game balanced nightmare (heh), but with literally only his weapon on his model being altered, his silhouette will remain, his abilities do not change exactly, but are empowered based on his chosen playstyle. and choosing a specific enemy to counter in game, as his "prey". a counter to mages, as a midrange antimage, an AD assassin as he is, or a tankier bruiser that is non-specific will more survivability. when the game starts, nocturne's blades are smaller and white, the colour evolves his weapons, giving them colour to show his stat choice.

  • @cephalonsadistic9331

    @cephalonsadistic9331

    4 жыл бұрын

    So kinda like how kaisa's abilities change based on the stats she builds but more drastic

  • @josephgabriele8400
    @josephgabriele84005 жыл бұрын

    Hello! Big fan here, first time commenting. Nothing to say about Nocturne, but I think Evelynn (and maybe other demons) in her update got a pretty interesting motivation. From what I got out of it, she doesn't just torture humans to get pleasure out of it, I think that her "hunger" is tied to her sentience, that is if she does not feed on pain she starts losing her own self, since before being a demon she was barely sentient. I think that if she doesn't feed she just fades away into nothingness, so I think that's what motivates her and I thought it was pretty interesting, as I personally find non existence more scary than death; if you read this, please let me know what you think P.s. I'll try and join your discord with your next invite 😁

  • @LGSN96
    @LGSN965 жыл бұрын

    Boy.. That ending was a *roller-coaster*

  • @Yal_Rathol
    @Yal_Rathol5 жыл бұрын

    you could make him a humanoid shadow that's still as a statue and flickers from position to position when moving. his attacks could all be strange ripping and grasping motions, like he's not actually attacking physically.

  • @34alexray
    @34alexray5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Skyen, really enjoyed this video! Have you seen Ron Broyde's VU idea for Nocturne? Some of his concepts does seem like the things you try to explain

  • @frieden9068
    @frieden90685 жыл бұрын

    Well I'd say a very easy way to key in on your idea of delving into a champion's fear in game that'd also be likely is probably a sort of distorted voice line like in the short story, for example when he approaches Lucian he mimics his wife calling for help?

  • @practicallynoobish8693
    @practicallynoobish86935 жыл бұрын

    I always thought that Riot's aim for the demons of Runeterra was to have them represent one of the Seven Deadly Sins. Eve being lust and Tahm Kench being Gluttony. Nocturne should be wrath, but it doesn't feel like it. Fiddlesticks and Shaco just needs a rework...

  • @viridianfox6172
    @viridianfox61722 жыл бұрын

    To me, his realm isn't fear, it's nightmares. The realm of fear is Fiddlesticks' domain. And I think a really good inspiration for an entity embodying nightmares is The Elder Scrolls' Vaermina. And I think she's a better depiction, because she emphasizes the uncanny and unnatural and impersonal terror.

  • @rafabichels8148
    @rafabichels81485 жыл бұрын

    Kindred theme at the start 👌

  • @kevingriffith6011
    @kevingriffith6011 Жыл бұрын

    In my opinion, the most *interesting* move they could make would be to give him an uneasy alliance with Shen. Maybe in the twilight realm Shen isn't powerful enough to banish Nocturne, but Nocturne can't harm Shen either, Shen isn't afraid of him. It's even more interesting from a gameplay perspective as Nocturne's ultimate is almost a twisted reflection of Shen's, both teleport to the weak and vulnerable no matter where they are... but while Shen does it to protect, Nocturne does it to kill. You get this sort of Hannibal/Clarice thing where Shen gets value out of the relationship with Nocturne and the shadow demon gets to toy with him like a cat with a mouse, knowing that given the opening he wouldn't hesitate to tear Shen to pieces. It makes sense, too. The things Nocturne represent are valuable tools in the Ninja skillset, so harnessing Nocturne's powers makes Shen a better ninja, but he always has to be wary of letting the leash slip too much lest nocturne kill him or someone else close to him.

  • @joseantoniogomezrodriguez1724
    @joseantoniogomezrodriguez17245 жыл бұрын

    There's a story of lux and Garen fighting nocturne but he is fighting him physically because he controls a mage and at the end he escape his imprissment

  • @luantib
    @luantib5 жыл бұрын

    Riot needs to do a shot history with TK and TF talking about gambling and destiny card stuff...

  • @cephalonsadistic9331
    @cephalonsadistic93314 жыл бұрын

    Lmao, his deacription of an improved nocyurne is very mixh lile the new fiddle

  • @SR87Eagle
    @SR87Eagle5 жыл бұрын

    Edgy Haunter does feel like an rpg random encounter monster with the lack of depth. Not sure, but if it was up to me, I would try write in a demon that would travel to graveyards and old battlegrounds to gather fearful memories from the fallen, which he uses to project onto his prey to create his fear effects. I know he's supposed to be a dream-eater demon-ish being, but his character model makes me feel like he is coming at you physically.

  • @Greenknight3
    @Greenknight3 Жыл бұрын

    Well they can re texture pre existing models and also imagine if this is part of a taunt, for instance imagine if near fiddle sticks it takes the image of a little girl that fiddle sticks tries to scare but she doesn't flinch so sticks cowers in its own fear.

  • @Duskelion
    @Duskelion5 жыл бұрын

    What you were talking about here reminded me of the charecter double from skull girls

  • @rubiconprime1429
    @rubiconprime14292 жыл бұрын

    If Riot wants to maintain the whole “armoured spectre” design, they could reinvent Nocturne as the spawn of the collective Ionian trauma in the wake of the Noxian invasion. The armour and blades could be exaggerated versions of those used by Noxian soldiers, while the amorphous parts of the designs reminiscent of Singe’s chemical weapons. Plus, if you tie him to Ionia you can have the nightmare entity go up against Lillia, whose whole thing is not only to cultivate dreams, but to specifically fight the sickness of the dream tree caused by the Noxian invasion (which in this case would be Nocturne). A slight reclassification from a demon to an entity and a relocation from Demacia to Ionia would at least aid in the differentiation of Nocturne from Fiddlesticks.

  • @myriadofcolours9861
    @myriadofcolours98615 жыл бұрын

    Personally, I think it would be cool if they turned Nocturne into their very own version of a creepypasta. I do understand that it might isolate Nocturne from the rest of the story and the world of Runeterra. But the concept of Janna essentially being a mythological figure, and Braum being a folklore hero was super cool. Since folklores and myth is becoming more relevant to the world of Runeterra it would be nice to make a scary folklore, a scary tale all the adults tell the kids. Cultures in real life have this and I think the game should too. Basically turn Nocturne into a scary folktale that everyone knows about but few believe in, and even fewer have seen in person. And those few can be some of the champions. Ionians, with their spirituality, will likely have more run ins with Nocturne and will more likely believe in him and protect themselves against him with prayers and spells. The pirates of Bilgewater can also be a way to connect Creepypasta Nocturne because pirates also tend to be superstitious and believes in spirits and such. An unfathomable being of unknown origins, whose name is whispered in fear.

  • @user-nc8db9hu7n
    @user-nc8db9hu7n5 жыл бұрын

    After you're done with the old champions, can you do a video about tahm kench? He is one of my favourite champions and i'd love to hear you talk about him! Or, aternatively, since he and all the other demons really don't have deep characters, maybe make a demon video, mainly about the desighn of the demons of league of legends.

  • @BloodthirstyPikachu
    @BloodthirstyPikachu4 жыл бұрын

    I think it would be so cool if they really upped the horror of Nocturne with how Fiddlesticks was updated as well. Imagine a demon that could take possession of your body in your sleep and move your mortal vessel until it’s killed. Imagine for his base skin, you could keep the hand blades but have them be shadows coming out from some poor mans body.

  • @massaosaito4084
    @massaosaito40845 жыл бұрын

    I think Nocturne design suffers cuz it is too close like Spectre from Dota., but with the lore to sustain it's appearance. Spectre is a tormented soul, twisted by being lost in the infinite cicles of existance. Fans speculate that she is the grim future of Phantom Assassin, that was turned and twisted into a spectre by traveling through uncontable realities and losing herself in the process. But Nocturne is just a port of the abilities and like-alike of Spectre, so it really feels like just an empty shell.

  • @Greenknight3
    @Greenknight311 ай бұрын

    If they rework him, they should make him an angsiaty demon. He is the voice in your ear, the doubt in your mind. A being that feeds on the internal fear and dread would be amazing.

  • @ChinoWantan
    @ChinoWantan5 жыл бұрын

    The rat is coming! :D

  • @amandaslough125
    @amandaslough1255 жыл бұрын

    The problem with Nocturne is Fiddles and Shaco are better representations of fear, while Kayn already has the 'transform to better kill you with' approach. And Nocturne has a play rate where a lot of players try him, but then drop him, so his concept is popular but he terribly needs that in game update. So I'm assuming Nocturne will be one of the post Kayle/Morg updates next year, maybe after Mordekaiser and Pantheon. At least they already have Shadow Assassin technology for visuals. And I'm curious if post rework Noc will continue so much with the fear or if they'll implement some of the sleep cc from Zoe.

  • @EduardoKerrGames
    @EduardoKerrGames5 жыл бұрын

    Generic commentary to help with the algorithm, nice video

  • @amkamirin
    @amkamirin5 жыл бұрын

    So scary/evil champion for october. looks good looooks GOD something touch me! it just a hat an evil hat, it doesnt like you but you cant tell her that the hats evil. DID we have the same dream/nightmare?

  • @drdoctor223
    @drdoctor2235 жыл бұрын

    Do you think the "demon" champs are being associated with the 7 sins? Evelynn would be lust, Tahm Kench gluttony, ans Nocturne wrath? I think that's what Riot is going for as the theme for the demon champs.

  • @SetArk
    @SetArk5 жыл бұрын

    TB! What is the song you used on the first part of the video? I'm getting crazy trying to remember from where it is D=

  • @gabriellopes6536
    @gabriellopes65365 жыл бұрын

    a niec idea is have a dub for the champ that a character is fighting noc fear or do not want to fight Ex. garen hits noc then: the lux voice surges and says "garen....why..?"

  • @raxi9619
    @raxi96195 жыл бұрын

    Do Hecarim next pls!

  • @RayOfTruth
    @RayOfTruth5 жыл бұрын

    Isn't Shun Megumi Tensay Nocturne the game featuring Dante Meme from Devilman Crybaby?

  • @pistzmaster
    @pistzmaster5 жыл бұрын

    please do one on thresh when you get a chance

  • @Xedlord
    @Xedlord5 жыл бұрын

    103 likes and 0 dislikes? That's not something you see everyday.

  • @myaps1859
    @myaps18595 жыл бұрын

    7 people are having nightmares now

  • @ethanjulius2304
    @ethanjulius23046 ай бұрын

    🌵

  • @samminuano4305
    @samminuano43055 жыл бұрын

    So... Change his silhouette to that of Yasuo? Its both your team biggest fear and enemies' team biggest fear at the same time.

  • @thrall6647
    @thrall66475 жыл бұрын

    Greetings!

  • @alchemicpunk1509
    @alchemicpunk15095 жыл бұрын

    So Nocturne is Freddy Krueger now. Neat.

  • @dahuntre
    @dahuntre2 жыл бұрын

    I always watch to the end because of his dedicated well-crafted dislike tirades

  • @eboooo4
    @eboooo45 жыл бұрын

    Damn I was hoping he would take a look at Ron Broyde's nocturne VU concept :/

  • @226phil9
    @226phil95 жыл бұрын

    I agree on the difficulties regarding the character of a demon but couldn't you also explore storys how they "became" demons. The territory of "how to become a demon" is not explored in any ways in this game (to my mind) yet. A explanaition could open up immense room for new storys.

  • @FlubbedPig

    @FlubbedPig

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well, the assumption is that they DON'T "become" demons. They were born demons. They way they came to be would be like the inverse of Janna, where people's negative thoughts and emotions coalesced into a being, or maybe became attached to a mindless blank spirit or drifting mass of energy.

  • @pidgeonpatrol861
    @pidgeonpatrol8612 жыл бұрын

    Maybe this is too far out there and creepy, but what if Nocturne’s body was that of the mage who originally summoned him during the rune wars. A dreaming corpse pulled around by shadows.

  • @Danothyus1
    @Danothyus15 жыл бұрын

    So what about if Nocturne was like Alucard from hellsing when he releases his restrains? This big black mass of eyes, tentacles and sharp edges that transforms into strange forms all the time. P.S: my opinion but i like Nocturne looks, yeah cuz its edgy.

  • @Gralysin
    @Gralysin5 жыл бұрын

    wow that dislike story was awsome

  • @RainyBoyLV

    @RainyBoyLV

    5 жыл бұрын

    Are you sure it existed? Maybe it's your subconcious trying to wake you up

  • @AngelicDirt
    @AngelicDirt5 жыл бұрын

    ... Someone has had these nightmares before. :v

  • @zemidamebris8845
    @zemidamebris88455 жыл бұрын

    I think Nocturne transforming would probably too hard to implement in a fair way. Maybe just giving him a magic/physical dmg shield like camille or make his dmg always targeting the lower resistance would be one way to implement the personalized nightmare thing.

  • @asurafire5386
    @asurafire53865 жыл бұрын

    Hey TB Skyen can you do a female champion next? I want to see how they fair compared to the male champions because so far you have done Soraka and that’s it recently(I know you have done a ton I just want a new one)

  • @surprisednt
    @surprisednt5 жыл бұрын

    Can we have one for Katarina?

  • @QuestionableObject
    @QuestionableObject5 жыл бұрын

    Nocturne is what happens when Venom passes gas.

  • @awsd211
    @awsd2115 жыл бұрын

    Imo nocturn evelyn tahm and janna are forces of the world instead of actual characters

  • @dinodude722
    @dinodude7225 жыл бұрын

    hm... was nocturne the shadow demon thing lux fought in the story "for demacia"?

  • @mico77720

    @mico77720

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, it is comfirmed in the map

  • @FlutterSwag
    @FlutterSwag5 жыл бұрын

    There was a fan made visual update done on art station that you should check out TBSkyen All of your design improvements are in the concept art, likr venom nocturnes face opens up completely as a mouth and the blades are made of his black red shadow. He is much more Eldritch horror and fear that is hard to understand instead of a straight fear demon. www.artstation.com/artwork/XqmLy

  • @StellaStarfall

    @StellaStarfall

    5 жыл бұрын

    I REALLY like that. Like a lot. Thank you for showing me that

  • @absenteechild8542
    @absenteechild85425 жыл бұрын

    I think the best way to make nocturnes character design truly terrifying is make him a small male child that transforms, with current nocturne looming behind him as a shadow. Something like that? Idk

  • @augustoqueiroz6829
    @augustoqueiroz68295 жыл бұрын

    Well, they rework him to have a passive that grants him adaptive penetration.

  • @supernewbie694
    @supernewbie6945 жыл бұрын

    Cursed revenant nocturne does the job better to sell the nightmare aspect. but yeah, he really needs an update.

  • @julianvanteylingen7955
    @julianvanteylingen79554 жыл бұрын

    Maybe his attack range could change to what he is fighting

  • @vestah7177
    @vestah71775 жыл бұрын

    So this now makes Zed The deadliest assassing in the lore... nice

  • @silverblade95
    @silverblade955 жыл бұрын

    The 7 Deadly Sins of League Gluttony - Tahm Kench Lust - Evelynn Wrath - Nocturne Vanity - Shaco Greed - Fiddlesticks Sloth - ??? Envy - ???

  • @andrewanderson8315

    @andrewanderson8315

    5 жыл бұрын

    There is no confirmation that fiddle and shaco is sins daemons but tham eve and noc yes they are sins daemons

  • @useless3310
    @useless33105 жыл бұрын

    it’s the best smt game!

  • @javierrivera5834
    @javierrivera58345 жыл бұрын

    Could you pls pls pls do gnar and/or amumu I feel like they're forgotten and has so much potential going to waste

  • @generic_artist9527
    @generic_artist95275 жыл бұрын

    Correction: You can make interesting demon characters, example: Aatrox.

  • @its_lb
    @its_lb5 жыл бұрын

    I've never clicked a video so fast in my life.

  • @monsterhunter3P
    @monsterhunter3P5 жыл бұрын

    i agree to all the criticism but didn't the demons has a motivation to find that specific feeling that brought them to the physical world?

  • @TheLucky025
    @TheLucky0255 жыл бұрын

    You want him to be scary? Give him leg. Had you ever imagine what does he look like with leg? That what people see when he fear them.No?

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