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@Ian-qf5ny

4 жыл бұрын

Hahah this is wild man! Im just learning about fancy knives, but i am the worst of the 20%! Construction worker living in rural coastal Canada im not even half a mile from the pacific ocean, living in a damp forrest haha! My main knife is currently a 1045 chinese folder hahaha! And its honestly the best ive had! Had it a few years and no rust, i even take it in the woods and up the mountain, ive gutted fish with it in a pinch! I hardly maintain it! My axes are both nice swedish carbon steel, just with the forge scale still on them. I oil them about once a year and i mean, the one that lives in the box of my pickup gets a little surface rust now and then if i dont use it for a while but always cleans up haha! Anyways hope that was a neat perspective for you, this video was for me! Going to get a real knife finally, dont think itll be m390 for me though hahahah! Probably go with good ole 1095 hahaha. Cheers from Canada!

Böhler M390 is made by Böhler Edelstahl GmbH & Co KG in Kapfenberg (Austria). Greetings from Vienna 😜

@metal_complex

4 жыл бұрын

Spoke with someone else about this. They are merged companies. One actually did originate in Sweden 😊 but yes, you're correct.

For me it's all about how cool the name of the steel is. Maxamet, Rex, Elmax, Cru Wear all sound really badass. Lol I enjoyed the video and found it very entertaining. I love your weekend videos where you delve into the madness of us enthusiasts.

@pandatobi5897

4 жыл бұрын

idk man, elmax kinda sounds like elmo to me

@spammcgee9893

3 жыл бұрын

Ginsu

@manifestgtr

2 жыл бұрын

Cruwear is awesome, especially if you’re a freehand sharpener. It takes an unbelievably keen edge and feels great on the stones.

@YukonJack

2 жыл бұрын

I like tool steel given I'm an absolute unit.

@TheBootyWrangler

Жыл бұрын

Magnacut tho

Man, I don't know. I'm a user, and that vg-10/154CM/cpm154 range is what I go to. Doesn't matter if its hip, it just strops real nice and stays sharp even with "work" use.

@rangerjonoutdoors6429

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@TechieTard

3 жыл бұрын

VG10 all day.

@JustIn-op6oy

2 жыл бұрын

Acuto+ is a great steel along the same lines. I would also put ats-34 in that list. They're all quite capable steels at reasonable prices.

@iceman5117

2 жыл бұрын

Bohler n690 and Sandvik 14c28n as well.

@DinoNucci

Жыл бұрын

CPM154 ftw @ daily edc

Great video!! I started laughing when you said you just purchased another knife in 20CV, I bought a WE knives Deacon 901E 4 days ago and I was seeking M390 when I bought it haha! I knew it would be comparable to my Native 5 S110v in edge retention so I pulled the trigger on a $245 knife. Everything you said is really on point about choosing a blade steel and style of knife for specific uses and applications. I’ve been into folders for about 12 years, it all started with my BM Griptilian (154CM) and that grip is now my official glove box knife in my car. My tastes have changed in that time and I’ve learned a lot about different steels and lock types and which knife to use for what task. I have a spyderco sharpmaker and it was like banging my head against a brick wall trying to get my s110v back to its factory edge so I sent it off in the mail to a friend for sharpening. One of my all time favorites that I carry at least a couple days a week is my green micarta Steel Will gekko mini in N690co It’s a killer steel, it holds a nice edge and it’s super easy to touch up/sharpen. The ergos of that knife are amazing too. After buying/selling/trading knives since 2008 I’ve settled on 3 keepers that I rotate in and out of my pocket. Native 5 LW S110v Steel will gekko mini N690co ZT 0808 S35vn The WE Deacon will get into that rotation also, I’ve been carrying it for a day and a half and it’s super nice, the fit and finish and QC is worth the price tag and I know it’ll hold its edge for a long time, I just need to buy a strop, everyone on the various FB knife groups keeps telling me that. Oh and my 6 year old daughter keeps wanting me to take the WE out of my pocket so she can touch the carbon fiber!! 😂 Cool video, you’ve got a new subscriber! Cheers and stay safe out there.

I’ve got or had quite a few m390, 20cv, 204p knives. For normal carry use it’s pretty decent. For use on my job though it takes damage pretty easy on the edge. I tend to prefer tool/carbon steels on my knives for overall performance.

I have knives with these super steels such as 20CV, M390 and even RWL34. But my primary edc knife is S35VN and is the most prominent steel in my collection.

@MetalRush666

4 жыл бұрын

S35vn is prob the best edc steel out there.

@ryanoconnell4938

4 жыл бұрын

Northern Ninety7 after this quarantine and when I’m able to make some more money I will try to pick one up

Over all my favorite edc steel is s30v. I find it holds an edge among the best and is still easy enough to sharpen without losing my mind. My spyderco ceramic stones have been a game changer for sharpening these harder premium steels though.

@z33thr33

Жыл бұрын

Vanax for me, I see saltwater fairly regularly

My favorite M390 model is the Manix 2 in brown G10. That thing is a PERFECT example of every element coming together into a package. The blade geometry is spot on, Spyderco processes their steel well, the ergonomics are fantastic and it’s a “user knife” that you’re not afraid to throw in your pocket. The Manix is a great platform for pretty much any steel and the ones I have are truly top tier.

@maxschechterman7460

2 жыл бұрын

Do u prefer the option in m390 or s30v

@manifestgtr

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxschechterman7460 I like em both but the m390 version is highly weight relieved…so if there’s anything that’s gonna make a real, tangible difference in your day to day use, it’s probably that imo

I find myself gravitating toward premium steels for sure. And if I'm being honest with myself, with the way that I am, it's not all that necessary. The reason being is that I prefer starting my day off with a really sharp edge. And regardless of the steel, I have to touch up the edge at the end of the day. Even if I only cut 1 cardboard box. I gotta have that initial sharpness.

Great video! I would love to see this in a series of something. Talk about why everyone love D2 or how s35vn is better than S30v. I love these rambling informational videos to basically podcast

Good video. The best line in to me was " there is no best steel" they all have there place from 8cr 13mov to d2 to m4 or m390. Different steels for different price points/ uses. 8cr is a fine steel for edc and learning how to sharpen. D2 is tough as nails, but can rust a little easier. S35vn is probably the best all round. Its good for edge holding, toughness,sharpenability, and corrosion resistance. But not fantastic for any of those.

@truthlight2816

2 жыл бұрын

Finally a little 8cr13mov love. And paired with a pocket sharpener is a great beater. I personally use the camillus brand and a diamond rod.

I am part of the collector/enthusiast boom in the knife industry....I was buying sub $100 knives around 2011-2013 when I committed to buying Benchmades Spydercos Microtech......and then Vintage Microtech.....and SOG GerberAl Mar.....I went through the fit and finish school and was driven to buy every new steel out there.....NOW all I want is a 2006 D-2 Socom Elite...manual, not a auto....I have a serratedexample but I NEED a p/e.......Microtech heat treat on D-2,🥰

And then CPM 3V stepped into the ring.

Very cool! I love hearing your perspective on this! I also really like 154cm and cpm. But one of my absolute favorites atm is 14c28n!

@abc456f

4 жыл бұрын

14c28n...my favorite "budget" steel. Bats above its pay grade.

@mikefiles2087

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

My favorite steel is f 150 coil spring, especially if I'm going to be opening packages. I've only seen one though specifically custom made for said task....it's probably priceless, money means nothing when a goal that lofty is pursued.

@dimmacommunication

3 жыл бұрын

f-150 ... the truck ?

@thaknobodi

2 жыл бұрын

5160 steel.

@michaelvoorhees5978

2 жыл бұрын

@@dimmacommunication yes

I don't mind sharpening 20cv but S110v is an absolute nightmare, I took my XM-18 down to 36deg inclusive and it really didn't take as long as I thought it would

Great informative video. I was worried I had screwed the pooch with my s35vn knives cuz I started to hear all about m390 being so much better. But now I know that s35vn is perfectly fine for what I use it for. Great content

@iceman5117

2 жыл бұрын

For 90% of people, 8cr13mov is perfectly fine for what they use it for. Opening letter, cutting tags off, maybe cutting some food in the field

@theone76779

2 жыл бұрын

@@iceman5117 yeah, I’ve got several in that steel now. I just didn’t understand the difference in the steels but I’ve done a lot more reading in there 11 months

Is microtech M390 Blades good blades ? And which is the one thanks for sharing your videos

I really like 14C28N... Looking at other steel and been eyeballing Elmax, m390, and Magna cut.... I wanted to get one good knife that was premium... But wanted to put some logic behind it before deciding and right now Elmax looks pretty good for the price.. been eyeballing giant mouse and LionSTEEL knives.... (fixed blade wise)... But joker has some great one's in 14C28N sandvik stainless steel... because it's pretty close to what I need and I live in a very wet environment thusly, Stainless is at tge top of my list but still don't want to over pay for something like Magna cut... And already have a few knives in 14C28N, which is a great balance of all the different things you talked about here in the video, but the edge retention is a little sucky, but I make it easy peasy with my work Sharp Field version😎✌️

OMG...☺️.....I want to pick up a new CTS204P Socom Elite to round out 3 other Socoms I have.... Those being 1. 2011 Duratech 20-CV SCElite 2. 2012 CTS204P SCElite, Microtech made a run of about 50-100 of them only I n drop point, but satin, stonewash (I think) and blk coated blades....I think they serrated a few...I’ve only seen plain edge🤔 3. 2019 M390 SCElite A few years back I figured hunting for the original 20-CV Elites would be tough...but over time I’ve accumulated 3, never paying over $475 for any one piece. The 2012 CTS204P model was one that I didn’t even know existed until I saw the one I bought for sale on Arizona Custom Knives, $345, a very good price... One thing Microtech did in the past was use a variety of steels during a run of one particular model ...ATS-34 still popped up in runs in 2014....

Well put! It depends upon who you are... I went for the M390 for a while and found that the hard steel like ZDP189 was more to my liking for use day in and out. LC200N is my favorite for fishing in the ocean or food prep. (Spidie Cheif) People who use the knives as tools have more of a intended use perspective. I like 154CM and VG10. It just depends on what the use for the blade will be. I like to experiment with thinning out the blade and generally like to keep my knives super sharp. All the discussion is just about having fun with the hobby. Thank you for taking the time to make the video. : )

@bennyc409

4 жыл бұрын

barkingspider2007 for food prep I prefer a chefs knife.

@everydaycarry1328

4 жыл бұрын

barkingspider2007 Well said. I have a ZT0450cf in zdp189 and it gets incredibly sharp! Different steels for different tasks.

@iceman5117

2 жыл бұрын

@@bennyc409 this. I don't understand people trying to do food prep with a 3" folder. That's like making a dish with nothing but a paring knife, but worse. A servicable 6" chefs knife and a filet knife can be had for $40 together, and should be all you need in the field, and both will prep food better than the best folder

@michaelvoorhees5978

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer a good for fishing

@peen2804

5 ай бұрын

@@iceman5117 cool story

All steel aside, that Microtech hellhound in the middle is sick!!! I want that!

@j0s3phfranc1s5

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a combat troodon

Thanks for some metal talk from Metal Complex... Always enjoy you "rambling" LOL!

One thing I like about this channel is that you are not biased with the knife designers u mention.

Any advice on s90v. Or 20cv for benchmade 940? I have a worksharp so not worried about sharpening just want the better one

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

20cv would be my preference. Less chippy

I knew an old custom blade smith who studied under Gil Hibben and Harvey Draper decades ago. They used to love 440c because it was stainless and easy to sharpen. He later embraced 154cm also, those were his 2 blade steels, and by the time I met him and had a couple knives made I went that direction, 154cm that is. His opinion was like "yeah 154cm is great, it stays sharp longer than 440c but when you do have to sharpen it, it's harder to sharpen. Feels like the s30v vs m390 debate in a nutshell. BTW I want to buy a Shirogorov that runs on washers with s30v steel and use it to dress out an elk.

20:56 Never say never; apparently a lot of people, from what I've heard, seem to think CPM MagnaCut might actually be the "best" steel. I have no idea though, because I've never seen it or used, nothing. But people definitely seem stoked about it after Blade Show 2021. Wish I could've been there! Someday I'd love to attend for the first time! 😃

@windowbreezes

Жыл бұрын

its near end of 2022, have you had a change of opinion on cpm magnacut?

@anthonyf9965

2 ай бұрын

It’s 2024, magnacut maybe the best pocket knife steel :)

Its interesting in a small fixed blade about 4mm thick. I have a lionsteel M4 in m390 and as long as you keep in mind its not for hard use then its amazing as a general user. 3V is the beater steel

My favorite daily carry knife is my ZT 0450 in S35VN. I don't mind sharpening it. I recently got a Smock but I haven't had to touch up that lightsaber of a knife just yet.

I got a Microtech Ultratech a couple of days ago in M390. It’s my first with that steel, up until then S35VN is the highest grade steel I have owned. The M390 has saw little use so far. I have an ESEE 5 with 1095 carbon steel and I’m a huge fan, it holds an edge pretty good despite being used fairly hard, but honestly I think splitting wood isn’t as hard on the edge as repetitive cutting of paper for example.

@bayouboys5008

2 жыл бұрын

I mean once you get the wood started splitting the pressure moves from the edge to the sides of the blade like a wedge so yeah I’d agree with your statement aside from knots….

@appalachiangunman9589

2 жыл бұрын

@@bayouboys5008 yeah I suspected the same thing.

Been learning a bit after being underwhelmed by my Benchmade Freed in S30V. Not a bad knife by any means, just didn't meet my expectations. Mind you it's my EDC so for that purpose I prefer higher edge retention. Looking at a fixed blade this time around. Considering the Bradford Guardian 3 in M390

@ashleycarey3190

2 жыл бұрын

Great choice but personally I'd choose cpm 3v instead as its a tough steel as it was made for competition

It retains an edge while not being that hard to sharpen with today's wide availability of pro level sharpening kits, and it sounds coooool. M390 sounds way better than 420HC 😂

@bodombeastmode

3 жыл бұрын

@Emerald Lx Exactly! It has that broad crossover appeal 😊

I love my Para 3 LW M390 DLT Trading Exclusive. I was about to get a Manix 2 M390 Brown G-10. But now, I don’t know if I will still go for it or the Para 3 CPM S35VN Brown G-10. Need your help sir. **By the way sir, I sweat a lot 🤣.

I have knives in supposedly much lesser steels and the geometry is kicking their asses in tasks of any sort without dullling based on geometry, and perhaps coating. Also certain serration types have their own ideal steels. I am seeing legit VG-10 and 154CM or its CPM counterpart and insane Damascus versions of some badass blades for $40 to $60 compared to the same models in M390 over $200. I am on the same steel snob pathology without anywhere near the money to have these knives in front of me. I had to have some M390, and got an Artisan Cobra for 80, M4 Blur for $100 and will jump on the Dividend for 80. Knife goals drive me toward a Rike M3, want that M390 4" beast with wave opening for treasure, but their 154CM has exceeded parameters at at least $100 less, and it makes way more sense combatively if necessary and to fidget and marvel at and use on basic everyday. I know this, but get caught up in all of these games and dissenting charts. The 440C Lansky world legal blade that came with a field sharpenr for $20 and l can't let go without, but it's the only knife I have that has such an ultra practical versatility for anything, it serms made for martial and defense use, and the ONLY blade shape I've not quite lot fully seen ripped off by all

Funny thing is I finally bought a socom in 204p and the reason I held off is steel toughness but it's STEEL, this things a beast

You are exactly right, it all depends on what you intend to use the knife for.

I bought the ZT 0562cf m390 when it came out too. Lol the hype was real! Also just bought a Troodon Combat Tactical m390. m390 is definitely not a tough steel compared to some of my other heavier purposed knives. And it is definitely not easy to sharpen. But I have been able to keep a mirror edge with it. And I do enjoy showing my m390 blades off when I carry them. It certainly makes a great edc long as you dont plan on beating the shit out of the blade.

Could you review the Dark Star by:Vespa? Its around 180$ titanium with 390 steel blade. Not sure if the internals are premium also

What steel is used on the Benchmade Bailout knife?

A perfect kitchen set Chef, boning, santoku -- M390 Paring -- ZDP Shears and cleaver -- XHP

I fall into that same category. Thanks for the great vid.

I have a Chris Reeves Sebenza with S35VN that costs as much as any of my other folders, some of which have M390. My Chris Reeves is my favorite folder and love the blade. Also have a Reate Horizon D w M390 that I do love but my CR is my favorite. Thanks for the presentation.

Recently, I've seen some reputable Blade Testers stunned by LC200N's and Vanax's edge retention ( Steels known for corrosion resistance but not edge retention/ hardness).

Shit idk man my first “nice”(ish lol) knife was the kizer deviant in m390, prior to this I didn’t really believe in super steels having all that much use in real life situations where the knife will end up ruined regardless (I work manual labor) but this knife was the first time I really questioned some of my beliefs. One of the first things that happened with it was that while cutting waterproof covers off of wireless radios at the back of the truck the knife cut way quicker than expected and I slammed it on the steel tailgate along the flat of the blade. Pretty fucking hard too. It still push cut through paper after. I was astonished. Not even a roll. So even if it breaks under extreme impacts that a softer tougher steel might only warm under it’s still tough enough to not shatter under normal impacts + hard enough to not roll the edge when hitting harder materials. The main problem I’ve had with a lot of the cheaper steels focused primarily on toughness is that they roll any edge under 22dps incredibly easily when cutting hard materials. I need my knife to be able to sustain mishaps such as hitting metal embedded into a material I’m cutting, slipping out of a cut and hitting hard objects in tight spaces, and being dropped from time to time onto different surfaces. I do find that a hack to get around this issue is to make the knife thick as fuck at the stock but then give it a decent thinning grind so it’s still quite slicy. The extra material further up in the blade seems to help a ton with edge stability regardless of the steel and there are geometrical ways to mitigate whatever loss to slicing ability comes with thicker blades

Me personally I prefer the edge retention all while having good corrosion resistance, I work in a place where I am constantly putting my knife in contact with ice and frozen cardboard, so when I need to grab grab food from a box In The freezer and the boxes are stacked to where it makes it time consuming to unstick them in a rush I need to be able to cut through that cardboard consistently throughout the day without worrying about the ice damaging the blade, the corrosion resistance comes into play because I don’t always have the time to dry my knife off if I’m in the lunch or dinner rush so I need to be able to put it in my pocket and not rust over time. For my use m390 is ideal keeps a sharp edge so I can cut through the ice and cardboard without damaging the blade and resistant enough so I don’t have to dry it off after every use.

The two knives that I have with M390 blades are my Viper Storm and my Real Steel Puukko Skandi.

What strop would you use for 20cv or 390? Honing tool?

@Treeguy-ny6vb

2 жыл бұрын

Sharpmaker

what are your thoughts on the bench made 535bk-4? will you be getting one?

@Amirul_Zahin

2 жыл бұрын

I need to know the answer, been thinkin about gettin this one.

What is better overall m390 or elmax?

Most of the ”three sisters” are under baked. That trio needs 62hrc to perform well as a cutting edge that lasts more than average midrange steel. To heat treat M390 to 62+ takes more energy, more focus and more time... Time spent machining/finishing when a great steel is taken into its sweet spot. *K390 supposedly fixes some of the three sisters weaknesses/flaws (edge retention when soft) and truly gives *magnacut a run for its money. If the price of m390 comes down and its heat treated properly then I will try some, however I own a Kershaw 'Link' in 20cv so maybe K390 Spyderco Police will be the one however I dont like the cheap looking scales and we should be offered a micarta option in a knife that costs $200. Great video thanks for sharing.👍

I'm glad this video came out. I just ordered a heretic cleric in cpm154 and was feeling cheated it was not in m390. I feel better now.

@metal_complex

4 жыл бұрын

Cpm 154 is my favorite user steel EVER! Great stuff!

Is there a better value than that bareknuckle in 20cv? When I got mine it was $110 and I thought it was a good price. Then today i see it on Smokey Mountain Knife Works for $78! They are still in stock so if you're looking for an excellent edc knife, I'd go and grab one quick. One of Kershaw's best imo.

@azhawk516

4 жыл бұрын

mr. jinks totally agree the Bareknuckle 20cv is hard to beat for the $’s.

@everydaycarry1328

4 жыл бұрын

Right now? No! It’s THE best value as an American made KVT bearing flipper in 20cv!

@jslaughterofthesoul4939

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, Bless Kershaw. I got a 3V Blur for a bill, I will jump on the Dividend.

I just bought the Malga 6 multitool and it comes with m390 which is pretty cool 😎

Can you change the Cage from plastic to aluminum or something else on a Manix 2 LW since it’s riveted?

@iceman5117

2 жыл бұрын

You have to drill out the rivets and try to do the screw replacement. If you're going to get a manix, just get the g10. It's a better knife

@Treeguy-ny6vb

2 жыл бұрын

You can get titanium ball cage to replace the plastic one but only on the G10 model (not the LW). I think Flytanium makes them.

Hey I just bought a Kershaw bareknuckle in 20cv is Kershaws 20cv on par with other companies 20cv

@metal_complex

4 жыл бұрын

I believe so! You can always have your knife sent off to be tested. Ask SuperSteel Steve about it 👍

I have a Benchmade 555-1 20cv... It's my fav and most used EDC ... I literally use it for everything from cooking to work(wearhouse ton of cardboard)... I have a fallkniven fine stone and ultrafine stone ... I never understood why people hate sharpening 20cv I sharpen once a month for like 5 min and my knife is razor sharp ... I will admit it is easier to chip then my esee 4 1095

@cfltitan

Жыл бұрын

I’m the same way. As long as you stay on top of it and don’t let it get full blown dull none of them are that bad with a good sharpener (I personally use a Spyderco sharpmaker). Don’t be lazy and just touch them up often and keep them razor sharp

I'd like to see someone test maxamet on rusting. With all the tungsten in it I don't think rust will get into the blade other than surface discoloration. I could be wrong but I'd like to see a test

@nschepis

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. It’s a very interesting steel. I have a maxamet native 5. Very cool knife and heavy steel with all of that tungsten.

Im still stuck back here in s30v and s35vn steel...then i purchased a Super Freek. Then i purchase a Maxamet Para 3. What the hell did I get myself into?

@jessejames4774

3 жыл бұрын

I love my super freek! M4 isn’t terrible to sharpen if you keep it touched up often!

Technically if one is looking for a “hard” steel then I would suggest a fixed blade with something like 3V

@metal_complex

4 жыл бұрын

Hard? You mean "tough". Optimal hardness on 3V is 62ish. Same as m390. ZDP 189 would be a "hard" steel (optimally). But ya, 3v would be my choice for fixed 👍

@oinnsheathen5684

4 жыл бұрын

Metal Complex yes

@oinnsheathen5684

4 жыл бұрын

Metal Complex I miswrote 😂 love my ranch

@patricksmatrick6193

4 жыл бұрын

@@oinnsheathen5684 I prefer blue cheese

@eggersm.r.5752

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say that all depends, for a fixed blade with a 4" to 5", maybe 6" blade that I plan to do hard work with I'd go with 3V, for over 6" to 9" I stick to 80CrV2, honestly 80CrV2 is great for 4" to 6" hard used blades also.. For a fixed under 4" it will be more an EDC knife and M390 or S35VN will be fine for 99.9% of what I'll use it for. V3 is great steel but for such a short blade it would almost never be needed.

I just retired my benchmade in 154cm, picked up a MT Hera 2 in m390mk, week in my pocket, its already been through its share of london broil and NY strips.

I can appreciate all the super steels but in my opinion S35vn and s110v are prob the best edc steels out there.

@REDNECKROOTS

Жыл бұрын

S110v is a nightmare to sharpen. Idk bout that but s35vn makes sense

I rinse my whole 0562ti under the faucet CPM 20CV all good

I have mpr benchmade sibert m390. If to sharp and strop at leather with compound vandium ..i try to slice meat and its blunt ...due to no toothty edge ...

Could you do a review on heretic wraith they have recently come to my attention and I’d like your opinion

Kershaw bareknuckle is not a m390 steel. Everywhere I've looked they use Sandvik 14C28N.

Do you still have that brass sigil

There is no "Best steel" because nothing is perfect in nature. However, I consider ballbearing steel, to be the best steel for an outdoor fixed blade knife, AEB-L for the same and IFit has to be more stain resistant. As for these kind of folders, I would agree, that CPM 154 , is a better choice than any super hard steel.

Dude that reate jack 1.0 you made me buy 😆 is really thick at the spine but man that edge looks like once slicey beast man! I had it a week today and I still haven't cut so much as a piece of paper with it im trying to keep it pristine condition its a safe queen or my current Excalibur for sure and I want it to keep re sale value im hopping it really goes up so i can tell my wife hey it may have been a 450 dollar knife but now it worth 550 or whatever convince her my collection is an investment and not a collection and she buys maybe 1/4 of thst bs but really she knows I just like them lol

This was a great video I hope to see this become A Series

There is the factor of knowing you have the best...whatever it may be..whether it makes a difference or not.

I have the paramilitary2 in m390 with blue g-10

Love the information, appreciate it as always

What steel holds up best to cardboard? That is the question.

How do cts-xhp and elmax rank against m390? I have a couple of cold steel's in cts-xhp and my ultratech and zt 0562 in elmax. Seems these two steels are being used less and less.

@metal_complex

4 жыл бұрын

Less edge retentative and less stainless, but tougher. Especially Elmax. Both great!

@abc456f

4 жыл бұрын

@@metal_complex Thanks!

@MightyRude

4 жыл бұрын

mr. jinks Well hardened elmax that has a lower HRC compared to well hardened m390 will outperform it in real life a cut test It acts a lot like cpm 20cv in that aspect

@Outpost_76

4 жыл бұрын

There are way too many variables to say one way or the other. Example, Shirogorov Elmax tested better than most M390 and equal to their own M390 in testing. Heat treat protocol, the specific steel batch, the place in the oven when talking production heat treat where hundreds or thousands of blades are done at a time. Why, in a production setting it's rare you will get an optimally treated steel if ever. Look at variance just in small run knives and you can see it. On top of that how its ground makes a huge difference, not geometry but the actual process to get a finished blade. I've had many instances where XHP out performed M390, 20CV and 204P so there is not one fit answer to this.

You can send it back to the OEM for sharpening.

While you might be standing on the shoulders of giants with the info, you have condensed it nicely within one video. I’m inclined to agree with everything you said here.

It's like if you own a Porsche 911 and a chevelle 95, I wouldn't drive the 911 to go for the groceries... Let's be honest if I own a 200+ dls knife I wouldn't use it to cut some cables, cardboard or stuff, for that I'll use a 20 dls blade... it's more to impress, to show off or start a conversation than to work with a M390, 20CV or S35VN blade, at least that's what I thnk... Great review as always, thanks!!

Great video, loved you in transformers age of extinction btw

The Least of my concerns is corrosion resistance. EVERYTHING where I live and work corrodes and must be properly cared for. Ramble on brother!

M390PM is pretty expensive as raw stock. The PM stands for Powder Metallurgical, which means that is compressed as a powder. It's also rather difficult to machine, it eats specialized tools for tough material for breakfast. Great material, tough but great

If 154cm or cmp154 is good enough for a $3k custom, then I feel it's still plenty relevant in my favorite brands that know how to hear treat.

My new favorite knife is my Shaman Exclusive in 204P/Forest Green!!

The Bareknuckle in 20CV is nowhere to be found anymore, and the 14C28N variant also costs $70+...

I'm here because I really want a Lionsteel M4. I do use my knife and m390 doesn't give me butterflies. Doesn't necessarily sound like the steel for me but I suppose I can make do and not destroy it too bad.

Can u make a video about n690, there’s not much Ernest reviews about it on KZread, and European knife makers really like to use this steel.

Thanks, great info ! That we all are curious about..Kerry

For my budget Bohler N690, VG-10 and CPM are the best I can afford. Still think I'm doing just fine

I’d like to get a blade in m390 or a different super steel. Unfortunately I just can’t afford it especially now. This virus sucks

Unless made in small batches....and without the right heat-treat ... nothing. Great video though 👌👍

i love the look of that Benchmade... man, i wish i had money... if i had tons of cash, i would buy: 1 car, basic food, 1 awesome guitar, and a sht ton of knives... just the bare necessities.

@Phlfwlr

3 жыл бұрын

It’s probably my next Benchmade. I love it

Hey man I'm pretty sure you said you have the KME well i have a edge pro apex same kinda deal as the kme really and the 20cv sharpens like all the other steels I have sharpen on it but it just takes a little longer with edge stone then I spend a little more time with polishing tapes and it takes one heck of a polished edge if you already know how to sharpen everything else you got then itd the same exact motions jist more of them lol and I go thru my stones faster for sure i needn't get the diamond stones I think but the regular stones will work just go thru them faster is all i watch appstle p and j Davis on how to use the machine

So how do they achieve $600 for a knife with D2 blade? Is the heat treat that good?

@metal_complex

4 жыл бұрын

Its exactly like I explained. The steel isn't anywhere near the main thing you're paying for. Most of it is the human time and effort (not all machine work) that goes into each knife, and the fact that it's done in the USA. This is beside the point, but if you're talking about Medford, theirs are actually CPM D2.

@KnifeCursed

4 жыл бұрын

jake legg I have one very expensive knife in CPM-D2. It’s a Medford Praetorian T. It was a gift from my wife and $850 🤪. I carry it every single workday as a repairman and honestly it has performed great for 7+ months. Most of the cost of that knife though is in the hand fitting, sculpting, ano, etc. It’s literally the only knife I’ve beat on that still has zero blade play. The edge Medford puts on is absolutely ridiculous too. Best factory edge I’ve seen. So in a roundabout, rambling way, D2 can be a perfectly useful steel when done well.

M390 is my favorite for EDC. 1095 for fixed blades. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤘🏻

the only difference between the m390 and cpm 20cv is the m390 has a bit more silicon.

What’s a cheap alternative to M390. Is there any? I own a M390 and it was quite expensive. But I like the blade very much. Is there a cheaper steel similar to M390?

@thaknobodi

Жыл бұрын

S30V at 60 hrc is just as good as meh M390

Thank you for the well packed summary of information. I agree what you said. It’s not steel or brand first it’s use first. I will get cv20 but for reason of wanting to retain an edge and achieve greater sharpness. Going to woods I will bring a fix blade or solid axe cold steel made or friskar for the reason they know working edge geometry and good heat treatment. Heat treatments would be my request to you do you know who makes solid heat treatment works? Would you be willing to find more and share on that?

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

Generally speaking, most popular "high end" knife manufacturers do a good job. You're usually safe with Benchmade, spyderco, cold steel, etc. Its the less expensive stuff you need to be wary of. A company boasting an m390/20cv knife for less than $100 can sometimes be a red flag. Cedric and Ada does some awesome steel testing videos that will definitely help you make the right choice 👍

Spartan blades has it right, they use s45vn all there knife models. It's a great steel that can be worked in the field

@diezelvh4133

Жыл бұрын

I don't know.. s35vn is pretty sweet too. .

@REDNECKROOTS

Жыл бұрын

@@diezelvh4133 it is. Just 45 is just slightly better

M390, 20CV ans 204P are the premium steels that are most ideal steels for EDC knives imo. Holds the edge longer, stainless steel and tough within reason. S30V or 35VN don't hold the edge as long as that premium class of steels.

it is 100% accurate to say that there is no best steel. Too many variables. Can you imagine a Cold Steel SRK in S110V? Somebody would ask, why did you get it serrated and I would say, I didn't. But I also think that is accurate to say that preferences are a real thing and for knife enthusiasts, I can guess that a lot of thought and research and some trial and error goes into developing a preferred blade steel. Of course, then the knife enthusiast is likely to come across a Cedric and Ada vid that says the blade steel is less important than the heat treat and the blade geometry. Then...that knife enthusiast will be devastated and question all of reality as nothing makes sense any more. Is nothing sacred?!? (there is a small chance I am not talking about me). (Sorry, I am on vacation and I have been drinking). (shit, my wife might read this).