Is it possible to legally share images such as these? How does Archive.org get away with it? Do I put them on a USB stick in my bin and wait for someone to take it out? 🤔 Join the discussion at discord.gg/rmcretro Neil

@tehf00n

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We have a human right to archive these things. It's never been proven, but it's facts ! Seriously though... I support archiving of computer games for historical purposes. I'd release it anonymously.

@tehf00n

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@@thomasrotweiler this is why a VPN and a fake name saves computer game history :)

@Bobbias

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@@thomasrotweiler Given how old these games are, and the fact that nobody involved with these games still stands to make any money off their sale, I'd say nobody has a moral right to keep us from distributing these things. Legally, someone might still have rights to these things, but IP laws are insane and make no proper sense, which is why I specified moral rights vs legal ones.

@thomasrotweiler

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@@Bobbias The copyright owners have a moral right to protect their property - users have no moral rights over other people's property.

@eddiehimself

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasrotweiler mmm those corpo boots must taste nice 😋

Microprose used many UK developers back then. Me and my two business partners were Sleepless Knights, based in Preston Lancs and the developer of Special Forces. The two coders I worked with (I was the artist in the team), previously did the AtariST and Amiga versions of Airborne Ranger (as a company called DMA Systems, not to be confused with DMA Designs of GTA fame). When I finished the graphics for Special Forces I was at a loose end while the coders finished the game so ended up doing an animated intro for Microprose's David Leadbetter golf game. We visited Tetbury once to visit Microprose. I can't remember exactly what for but we had started working on a strategy game for them based on 'Invaders', the black and white 50's US TV show. That game unfortunately got canned. It was probably too ambitious for the 486 Dos PC's of the time. We stayed overnight in a room above a nice, rowdy pub in the middle of Tetbury (wish I remembered the name of it). We got drunk and met a guy there who was an extra on the Highlander film. This triggered an epic road trip to the Scottish Highlands the next morning to see the castle featured in that film but I'm wandering away from Microprose now so I'll stop :) Thanks for the video. Triggered some great memories.

@willd6215

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A spontaneous road trip, sounds epic

@arfanmedni7294

Жыл бұрын

Encore, More more please

In the summer of 1995, I think... I was looking for a new job. I had quit working at The Bitmap Brothers (having completed work on Z), and a few weeks later, Microprose summoned me to the Chipping Sodbury office. They paid the rail fare from South Wales (and back!), so at the worst I got to walk the hallowed halls of "the prose". First Prose game I played was F14 Strike Eagle back in 1984. And of course there was Civ and Railroad Tycoon + many more. The campus felt VERY quiet. I put that down to summer holidays. The interview went "well" in that they were positive about my work, it seemed if this carried on, I was "in". But as the interview closed, the interviewer said to me. Sorry to say this Chris, but we can't in all honesty offer you a job, as we have been told this week, that this office and indeed Microprose is closing. And there we go, that door closed. I headed back home, in an odd mood. To have such a positive interview at one of my hero companies, but to find out during it, that they were gone. It was all a bit odd. Got to say, Microprose was a giant of 80/90ss game development, soo many excellent titles came from them. X-Com, Civ, Pirates and all the sim titles as well. I can't really understand, to this day, how they went bust... So many successful titles. I guess "operating costs" were just too high i.e. too much profit was skimmed off at some point and left it with cash flow problems. Who knows.

@Dark_eVader

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I believe you meant F15 Strike Eagle

@ChrisThomas-lt8jd

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@@Dark_eVader Yes, F15, not F14, to be honest, I at first thought it was Super Huey UH-IX, but it turns out that was COSMI. But I guess it does bear remembering that Microprose were VERY simulator focussed back at their start.

@daviddavies3637

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@@ChrisThomas-lt8jd Super Huey wouldn't have been one of theirs. Would never have got past QA. I remember renting it once for the Atari 8-bit. I played it a couple of times as it was goddamn awful and unplayable. The issue was the mountains which, as you closer, they'd get bigger but the gaps between them would get smaller. The limited 3D was way off.

Ahh yes, dumpster diving at Microprose in Tetbury, I remember it well, pedalling back with rucksacks full of stuff, I mostly wanted the 3.5" game disks they threw away to re-use as blank disks. The Microprose baseball cap currently sitting in The Cave is one I retrieved during such a dive, and to this day I still use their giant clear plastic snap bags which were for storing the manuals+disks in the game boxes, can't figure out why they threw away so many, they're very useful.

@dh2032

Жыл бұрын

I wander did they have thing using a fresh disk, every time, like never just delete the old stuff, and reused the floppies back then a good quality floppy would set us back £3 or so, and as that what there doing all day and everyday putting stuff on floppy disk backup master pre-releases, etc.

Neil: "I don't know anything about that piracy business" Also Neil: *building an industrial grade floppy copy station*

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

Shhhhhhhhhhh! you'll get us both in trouble

@razorsz195

Жыл бұрын

Should be nicknamed "Big Floppa" :p

@mwk1

Жыл бұрын

@@razorsz195 now quote "I love it when you call me Big Floppa" sounds really familiar 😎

Oh man! This is an incredible video, Neil! Those old street and buildings plus a Microprose specific store! You always bring the goods!

@RMCRetro

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Oh thanks! glad you liked it

"...that's the content you're here for isn't it so watch me drive you places and look at bins. That is some top-quality KZread content" Yes, yes it is. We all bow to greatness.

Microprose was by far my favourite games publisher back in the day. So many genuine classics.

@transkryption

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Civilization of course, but I think Lightspeed/Hyperspeed were underrated

For me it was UFO/XCOM and Transport Tycoon. These two Micro Prose games started a lifelong love for strategy games

As Tim and I were driving back to Heathrow today after the visit to the Cave yesterday, we - totally by chance - drove right through the town center of Tetbury and Tim immediately recognized the place from seeing this video, so we stopped and took a look ourselves. Really nice location, I can see how this would become the game development capital of England. 😄 Great to hear these disks are now safely archived and that you will have the chance to puzzle together a bit more of Microprose history over time.

Cracking video Neil! I did have some experience of using duplication services in the 1990s. A pre-production sample was made by the duplicator from the master and sent back to the customer for them to approve before you committed to a big production run. Most duplication services were also disk manufacturers.

SES - the occupiers of that building now - are a really interesting company. They service and maintain ejection seats, parachutes, life rafts, aircrew helmets and so on.

I can't think of the 90's without thinking of Microprose, as a combat simulator lover I still have dozens of big boxes of Microprose games, SSI and Microprose were (and still are) my favourites.

@desposyy

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I can

@handlesarefeckinstupid

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They were the kings on the speccy 128k as well in the 1980s. gunship took up an awful lot of hours of my early teens.

@daniel_lucio

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@@desposyy "Yes We Can't" Alfred E. Obama

Thanks for the trip down memory lane! My very first trip to Europe was to the Tetbury offices for a marketing trip for Gunship. Also first time at a real UK pub, driving on the "wrong" side of the road, roundabouts, etc. So many fond memories.

I am totally here for the driving places and looking at bins content! 🥰

I actually worked in the Hampton Street Industrial Estate building for several years, long after Microprose were gone, only realising it was the same location after coming across a compliments slip that came with replacement discs for Gunship 2000 that I'd been sent. It finally made sense why a girder, that ran above my desk, had a Stunt Car Racer sticker on it.

@mindexplorers

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I did a few days in the store at Hampton Street - racks piled high with Microprose boxes - and we had races on the pallet trucks up and down - happy days :D

I always loved their Manuals, so detailed they were a treasure in themselves.

@inhumanmusic1411

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Their manuals went into detail on the nature of their topic. Today, you get a blank stare when you mention game manual to someone.

Check the formatted disk image for data in case the disk was only quick formatted -- if so, the data is still on the disk and just the file information was wiped. In addition you can check parts of the game for checksums to make sure they're the same as retail or different, or maybe a rare early retail version (since games sometimes got updates).

@imqqmi

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Agreed, with amiga disks disksalv can recover files if they are still in-tact.

Gunship for the C64 was my first introduction to MP. Then later I had M1 Tank Platoon on our Tandy 1000TL. Thanks for the flash back with memories of this company.

Good stuff as always! Rick Dangerous was fantastic on the ST, not that I could get very far back in the day 😄

@zoid9969

Жыл бұрын

Glad it wasn't just me. Such an infuriating game!

@rosstee

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@@zoid9969 I didn't play it on the ST but remember Rick Dangerous regularly committing the game design sin of unavoidable death, and so it became a big memory test.

I played Falcon 3.0 a lot and I loved that game so much that "Falcon" in one form or another has been my gamer tag for years and years.

The two MicroProse games I spent the most time with were Lightspeed and Silent Service II. I never really did understand what the goal of Lightspeed was and just flew around either picking fights with aliens or or trying to peacefully negotiate with them. I may have come close to finishing the game one time but I'm not sure.

This takes me back - we all went en masse to check the studio out in Chipping Sodbury, after Psygnosis closed down in Stonehouse (not Stroud, but The Wheelhaus studio often referred to as being in Stroud...) where I worked at the time. 1999. I recall it resembled a Silicon Valley type building, confirmed by the footage here!

I just stumbled upon this video by chance and it has brought back so many memories. I grew up in the next town along from Tetbury and my neighbour was an accountant at Microprose. She had a copy of almost every game they produced, despite not actually being a gamer, and was the one who introduced me to the Atari ST. She also arranged it for me to do my work experience there where I spent a week with the testers and playing games. I must have been 15 at the time, so we're talking '90. So many happy memories! Thanks for uploading this video - I'm off to watch your some of your others now :)

We used to get on our bikes and cycle to Tetbury to go dumpster diving. Got a lot of good games. We even got caught once and got to see tbe inside of the warehouse. They gave us a stern telling off and let us go thankfully, so my parents were none the wiser. Happy days!

@RMCRetro

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Hah love that story, can you remember where the bins were?

@merseyviking

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​​​looking at that photo, I remember we didn't have to sneak past the windows, and I am pretty sure they were not even round the corner of the building, you just had to get past the loading bay and there they were. IIRC there were two bins that were more like big covered skips. The door we got taken through was round the back, which is how we came to go through the warehouse. I remember being really impressed they had a couple of arcade cabinets there too! The skips were used for general waste too, because I remember finding some coffee-stained boxes and stuff. But I allegedly got a copy of Gunship on the Speccy, Ultima V with the cloth map and everything for the PC, and a few other games. Allegedly. They must have been faulty returns I reckoned, but most of the stuff we got worked. This would have been 88 or 89, and I don't remember seeing any nails through discs, but then we would have just tossed those anyway.

@merseyviking

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Also, I ended up working for Julian and Nick Gollop at Mythos Games in Harlow. They tell of the time they were developing XCOM and in the latter stages of development they had their own office at Microprose, it was a tiny cupboard with no windows and just enough room for them to sit side by side. I had assumed it was in the Tetbury building, but now I have learned that there were several sites, it might have been in Sodding Chipbury.

@merseyviking

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Also also, I grew up in Stroud and used to frequent The Model Shop almost every day after school. We got to know the staff, and I even ended up doing a week's work experience there. So this video has been a proper trip down memory lane! Thanks so much for doing this.

@RMCRetro

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Brilliant I’m so glad you enjoyed the trip!

In the early to mid 1990's Microprose allowed Guildhall Leisure aka Acid Software to publish under licence a number of their classic titles including UFO Enemy Unknown, B17 Flying Fortress and several others. I have a few of these still.

Really loved a lot of Microprose games, UFO on the PC being probably my all time favourite. The sequel though, Terror from the Deep was easily the hardest game I ever played!

For me, "microprose soccer" (c64) was the first to come to mind. Spent countless hrs battling it out with my brother.

@ukcc1

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Same here, as soon as I hear the name Microprose its soccer and F1 Grand Prix that spring to mind. Gotta love those banana kicks in Microprose soccer where you can basically do a 180. No suprise though considering it was developed by Sensible software, and they were anything but sensible with a lot of their games

Thanks Neil, this video made me take out my a1200, now sitting on my workbench. Shown it to my kids (3, 6 and 8) 🙂 Even the 28 year old Western Digital Caviar 21000 still works. Now to check the two a500's, but i bought those a couple of years ago, bought the a1200 after lots of newspaper deliveries 🙂

@RMCRetro

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That's lovely to hear!

Thankyou for this video, I deliver to the co-op in Tetbury now and then and its nice to know something interesting and appreciate the area. I now admire the old shop as I go up and down on the tail lift :D also the Market house is a beautiful building and now I know what it is.

Transport tycoon! Probably the game I have sunk the most hours into and I still do play it. Or more specifically the open source remake OpenTTD. Thanks for another great video :)

@Tossphate

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My version has a bug where you start loosing all your money later into the game. I still played it again and again and just considered that to be the "end game"

Cool content … I still have my test diskettes fromTFTD I played looking for bugs. I also have source code diskettes I used to send code back and forth from the US to the UK and vice versa. I spent time at Chipping setting up the BBS system ( this was before the Internet) and Germany and it was the best time of my life. Great people to work with at all locations.

Antics in Stroud was a common destination for my brothers and I growing up - couldn't believe my eyes seeing it mentioned in this video. I even remember the sign/fronting of the cafe next door.

The Micro Prose logo meant for me mre than anything, cool Vector Graphics!

@stephenwilson5043

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Yes great to see it back now Microprose had been reborn, it will be quite something when their new versions of the old classics starting with B17 begin to appear in the next year or two

4:57 Exact issue I had on my 386sx. I used to just play the demo as didn't have the game. I was clueless back then and didn't realise it was taking ages per turn because the PC wasn't powerful enough.

The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear Microprose is the arcade version of F-15 Strike Eagle they had at a mall in my town. It was the first polygonal game I had ever seen, and the fluid, high-resolution graphics left a HECK of an impression.

I was hired at MPS in 1994, starting right on Valentine's Day at the Hunt Valley office. My first game was being added late to the Transport Tycoon Deluxe expansion, but my first full game was Colonization. Career-wise, it was the best time of my life by far. Looking back its almost hard to believe that it was one of the biggest names in eGames at the time and if not for a few bad biz decisions (and some questionable games), I would have likely worked there the bulk of my career. Ironically though, I was in the last batch of people hired at this office in my dept before the layoffs came again and again.

MicroProse made all of my C64 favorites, like Project Stealth Fighter and Silent Service. I used to take the manuals to school and pour over them repeatedly.

I used to work for a disk duplication company in Bradford. Pre-production samples tended to be a copy of a master that would a copy of the customers master. The customer would get a copy to check and approve and copies would also be held by the duplicator. The Pre-prod would be done from an image created from the original and when approved, that image would be used to write and verify production copies.

hi Neil, I’m coming to visit both the Cave and Arcade Archive tomorrow morning. I’m in Stroud now, staying a couple of days. I took the train in from London (I spent 5 days in London) after flying over from Winnipeg, Canada. This is a real picturesque area this Cotswold place. Cheers! I can’t wait to see the cave.

@RMCRetro

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Brilliant I hope you have a lovely time! I’m afraid I’m at my best friends stag event this weekend down in Cornwall so I won’t get to see you but Alex will be there and Holly will show you behind the scenes if you tell her I sent you 👍

@TransCanadaPhil

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@@RMCRetro I played Pyramid Patrol on your LaserActive on the cave. MegaLD was the only Sega format I've never played before so that was cool to see. Talk about an obscure expensive format and this is coming from a guy that owned the Sega Tower of Power (Genesis/Mega Drive, Sega CD, and 32X). I bought your book and tote bag.too. Met Alex and spent the afternoon in the archive, I really like that Nintendo Sherrif arcade cab with its bizarre knob control, it feels like you're controlling the game with a Barbeque 😄

Fantastic video, really enjoyed the preservation aspect as you never know what historical oddities will pop up. Spent so many hours playing stunt car racer and Gunship 2000 with my brother, and what can you say about x-com. Oddly enough my brother completed Tower of Babel, there can't of been many people to do that, one of his favourite games ever and rightly so, cheers for the great content!

I wish when you looked at the dress and said "Uh ten Pounds not bad" that the net shot of you in the cave would have had you wearing the dress without saying anything and the net shot in the cave you would have our normal street wear on again

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

Haha how do I hire you?

Microprose! Man those titles are my teenage years! I loved their products and have many fond memories of playing their simulations and games. Great subject and video! Thanks!

Oh Colonization, those soothing tones!

Woooow, great video..I love those old Tetbury Microprose boxes, I still have several of them in my stash. Great to have had a look into the old places were all the magic was going on in those days. You were buying quality software when you bought Microprose..so they're still one of my favourite game companies today...being long gone..!

Blimey, I've seen most of those microprose buildings and had no idea

That Dysan diskette case!!! I has one just like it!! Nostalgia overload!!!!

Thank you so much for this, Neil. I know it's a bit odd but I found the visit to old software houses really moving. My little TV in the 80s was influenced by those staff in those buildings. I really hope some of those people end up sharing their experiences with you.

What a wonderful collection, absolutely unique! 😮

Back in the day, if a box had Microprose on it, it was almost surely a good buy.

no one ever mentions golf when they speak about microprose....gotta be the best amiga golf game ever cracking video neil loved seeing the old buildings

Really interesting vid - liked the road trip too!

I've had fond memories of MicroProse in the 90's for PC and Amiga games.

This so4t of content is absolutely fascinating! Thank you.

Excellent video, thanks... I was having so much fun with the tour I forgot about the disks until you got back to them. Falcon was my main series but I always wanted M1TP2 (that 2 page ad in PC Gamer was amazing) so ended up buying a boxed copy a couple of years ago. The BMS team is supposedly working on a new terrain engine next, so Falcon is still going strong. It's a lot more immersive than DCS if you ask me, thanks to the dynamic campaigns. I find it very comforting, like maybe I'm not as old as I think and the past isn't completely dead.

It's hugely important to archive such disks. It's great to have the story and indeed history of the disks and company.

22:13 You look like one of the Off Roaders from The Fast Show. XD

Silent service took up hours of my life. Great game

Darklands is still my favorite Microprose game. I still play it fairly regularly. Lots of fun. I even designed and printed out my own US movie 24x36 poster for my wall. :)

First Games past the exit were Civ 2 Gold and Hellcat Ace. The latter was for 8-bit Atari and was one of the first games for the company.

Loved the Microprose games, spent hours on Gunship 2000, one of the best games i played on the Amiga and got me into flight sim which i still love today. Nice video Neil, really enjoyed watching this.

First title that I think of? Gunship 2000. I spent many happy hours playing that with friends back in the day.

The original Gunship copy protection was an interesting one. Apart from needing the manual they did something to the disc's which made them almost impossible to copy. I recall my copy had two 360k floppies with a silver hub. The box art was beautiful.

@retrosim4197

Жыл бұрын

The box art really was very nice. If you look carefully in the cockpit glass you'll spot my avatar. Mine came from an early promotional poster which was a little bit different. They darkened the cockpit glass in the final version that made its way on to the boxes.

@anakondase

Жыл бұрын

Same thing with my original Starglider 2. It worked perfectly fine in my A500 as well as a friends 1040 ST. Yes, it contained both the Amiga and Atari version. Neither of us was able to create a working copy of it though. I wanted to create a backup but it just wasn't possible.

When I think gaming in the 80s and early 90s, Microprose is what comes to mind. Pirates, Railroad Tychoon, Gunship and Civilization. Some of the best games ever. But there were so many more that I played on my Commodore 64.

My brother and I played Master of Orion so much we know the copyright protection ships by heart. Lol, we still know them!

I grew up in Tetbury (I lived on the very hill where the woolsack races take place for 18 years) and my mate lived literally behind the fence of the MicroProse building on Hampton Road, after school we really did try and find disks in the bins - (large blue bins if memory serves). We did find some disks and they didn't have nails through, but I don't recall ever finding anything that was really playable (I guess in reality it would have been pretty unlikely) but to a couple of 10 year olds the idea of free games was all we needed to give it a try! This would have been in the very early 90s I don't remember the dedicated shop in the MarketPlace though, may have been before my time..

My Micropose memories mostly started when I was in my year in industry at college in 1994/5. IN 1993 I had bought an Amiga 1200, and my YII allowed me to get a 1230 accelerator and a Multisync monitor. It also allowed me to buy a CD32, which I got from a local Tandy’s for next to nothing…

This is the best thing on youtube

Fab episode Neil! I could feel the nostalgia 😃

MICROPROSE is a legend!🎖🎖

3:58 response. . ."Drive on my friend!" :^D

I saw a lot of those disks as I did a stint in the testing dept at the Tetbury office (the one with the bins) :D

Even as a kid, it was obvious that MircoProse was an English company. My first exposure which will ALWAYS be my reference point was Rex Nebular. My mom would playthrough games with me and honest to God, thats the best memories I have.

@18:50, I'm now imagining Neil in a bright pink dress 😂

A great episode. Liked that you took the time to visit these places. Grand Prix was the first one I thought when you said Microprose but so many great classics from that time.

Geoff Crammond Grand Prix on the Amiga. Amazing game.

Loved this episode

Absolutely loved Microprose.

Gets me thinking I should image my disks. have hundreds of floppies here. Sooner rather than later too as they will not last forever.

UFO and Rick Dangerous. OMG. Spent months(?). no - years on these. So cool!!!

Remember playing gunship on my Amiga 500 I played it so much that my disk got bad after a while and I had to replace it with my receipt. But yes I found an option to copy it to hdd and then I could play it forever if I wanted. But also very fond memory´s of playing colonization, pirates, tank platoon, silent service on the amiga those days where awesome Microprose was a awesome game studio at the time. And yes I bought the originals at the time because you wanted everything in the box manual, overlay, extras and so on.

I had the original Stunt Car Racer on my ST-FM ad it ran very badly, but didn't crash. The Amiga version was smooth and great fun. I used to skip-dive at an industrial estate near home as a kid but just for electronics components from discarded gadgets.

Neil, I suggest you get into contact with the folks at Gaming Alexandria for more help onto how to correctly preserve and share those games.

What's likely happened with Gunship is it had a single-use system. You had to install to a HDD via the install tool, which would render the floppy unusable. You could "uninstall" the HDD install back to the floppy if you needed to move it to a different system. They apparently did that to make sure it would be on only one system at a time. I ran into this when I wanted to move off my Amstrad PC-1512 to a shiny new 386sx/25MHz

This was really interesting - I loved getting a look at Microprose. Thank you for making this!

The hat is awesome. I remember buying and cracking Special Forces for my buddies. You had to type in words from the manual as copy protection, but the words were stored in plain text in the .exe file and you could just erase them with a HEX editor.

I'd just like to say what an absolute joy it was being there in the cave this weekend. Loved the setup, atmosphere and general laid back approach. really enjoyed myself. Despite not playing Sam Fox strip poker on ANY platform! ;)

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

Great to meet you!

Fascinating video Neil. Loved it Greato see the old building they operated from Microprose on the box generally meant u was gonba get a great quality game

Excellent video

Brilliant content Neil although sad seeing 'the once that was', and remembering the demise of such a great company.

Fascinating!

When you mentioned going to the MicroProse location, I was thinking in Hunt Valley, Maryland. They were in the same area as where my father worked when he was with Texas Instruments.

Bin digging, hahaha, that cracked me up so much 🤣😂👍

Tower of Babel was one of the first Amiga games I played, as part of the Astra Pack that the dealer supplied with my A500. Many happy hours spent on that, good to see it again

Microprose also had an office in Chipping Sodbury in South Gloucestershire, they had a fairly big office there in the mid 90’s, I was lucky enough to do work experience there for 2 weeks as a teenager.

A quick plug for FluxEngine, which is my own flux level sampler --- it's intended for use with my own DIY hardware based on a PSoC5 board, but my client software works on the Greaseweazle too. It's more heavily weighted towards weird old formats and it's also capable of reading and writing files without having to image the disk. If you want to do anything with hard-sectored disks, then you'll want FluxEngine hardware rather than a Greaseweazle. I'm hoping to add support for other flux samplers, like the AppleSauce and the Kryoflux at some point.

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

Take your heart and everyone go check out FluxEngine

I live about 5 minutes away from their old office in Hunt Valley Maryland. They became Firaxis and moved like 20 minutes away to Sparks.

Amazing episode, just like the 8-bit guy visiting the old places. Maybe you can take a trip to other old software buildings or see if you can get your hands on more tapes or disks. This was such good content.

I loved Gunship back in the 1980’s and Silent Service has never been bettered.

With some of these old office buildings or industrial buildings you can't come too close because the workers will tell you to go away sometimes they even get aggressive. back when i was a teenager i saw some interesting equipment on the parking lot. i was just staring at it from the sidewalk and they where already coming out of the building yelling at me.