Thank you for this!! There’s way too many positive review videos, and it seemed kinda fishy to me. I appreciate the honesty and how detailed/in depth you went-definitely will not be wasting almost $400 on that lol

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Angielic! Glad to hear I could help :D

@seanerer

2 жыл бұрын

What did you end up buying?

@angielic

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanerer staples dexley! I was on a long chair search & this one fit my needs. It’s great for taller people too (I’m 5’10)

I very much appreciated this honesty and detailed review

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear I could help!

Almost bought the chair myself. Thanks for the good and honest video!

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! What chair did you end up buying?

@johnny-swbf1141

3 жыл бұрын

I instead went for the "interstuhl JOYCEis3". Can definity recommend it

Huge thanks for this review. Its nice to have such a thorough and objective guide. I hope you get your hands on more chairs and make reviews on all of them ! hehe

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear you found the video helpful! If you have any recommendations for future videos be sure to let me know!

Great and honest review. Thank you. I do have the chair and I experienced the same problems. Needed this video to share.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear you enjoyed the video! Unfortunate that you have the same issues... How tall are you? Sharing the video would be greatly appreciated! Thank you :)

Fantastic video! I learned so much with it, including why my chair (not the one you are reviewing) started to give me awful lower back pain. Thank you.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear I could help!

You have verbalised very well all of the problems I have with this chair. Good luck with your return/refund, they made my return so awkward that I didn't even bother. I'll just chalk up the wasted money to experience.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark! Happy to hear you found the review helpful :) However not so good to hear they made your return so awkward! What happend? For me the return experience was great and I had no issues with their customer service (which I mentioned in the description). I'd love to hear back from you. Kind regards, Sunny

I actually own this chair and find it to be very comfortable. Nevertheless, I find your video to be an excellent critique of the chair. Well done.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! Every person is different, so glad to hear you're happy with your Ergochair! Also heart-warming to hear you enjoyed the video :D

@TheHewmunga

3 жыл бұрын

Just out of curiosity are you on the tall side as well and still found it comfortable? I just ordered it but im afraid its not the chair for me given the criticism. Im 6' 3"

@samuelkuegler

3 жыл бұрын

@Farscape How tall you are? Are you also around a 6ft2 (188cm)?

@andreas-v-1098

3 жыл бұрын

How tall are you

@jakemangahas8081

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHewmunga how was your experience?

Great review, a lot of common sense. I can't comprehend how the idiots behind the creation of this chair did not think of that stuff or completely ignored the issues for years. To now, the chair did not have any adjustments based on so many reviews. Thank you for one of only few REAL reviews and not the typical fake positive reviews. This is a cheap $200 chair that is hyped to $500.

As a fellow 6'3 person, I appreciate this review

@picb

2 жыл бұрын

Hey David! Awesome to hear I could help, good luck chair hunting. Let me know if you find something which fits you well!

@DavidReyes0224

2 жыл бұрын

@@picb will do!

Thank you so much for this. I keep seeing recommendations but it just didn't look worth hundreds of dollars to me. Glad to see some thorough feedback.

@picb

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the late reply, thanks for your comment! Awesome to hear I could help!

Ok regardless of whether I get this chair or not, probably not, I just wanna say you're awesome! I love your dispassionate, calm, clear, well spoken, sweet demeanor! Thank you for making this video! Now, if only I could get someone around the 5 foot 5 (1.70cm) height to sit on it and talk about the cons the same way you did. Subscribing.

Thanks 🙏🏻 man appreciate your honesty!

@picb

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear I could help!

I have a hyken and the lumbar support is very similar to this chair, and my headrest is on the floor. I have an embody being shipped to a dealer right now. If you're able to, give the aeron a shot - it sounds like it's what you were expecting out of this chair. Also, solid review! I watched the whole thing. I'm a chair reviewer watcher now.... (edit: I just heard your $300 price point, so I lied a second ago about watching the whole thing. Good luck on the search!)

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, awesome to hear you enjoyed the review! I *had* a $300 price point, but after realising that what I'm after costs 6x that I've decided to save up for a Herman Miller. Thanks for the recommendation! I've had my eye on the Aeron even before I ordered this chair so hearing you say it gives me a bit of extra confidence. Why did you choose to buy an Embody instead of an Aeron?

I bought this chair today, your reviews was very understandable, from the 100videos i have watch about this product yours was very accurately and honest which i liked. So i will let you know in few days my experience.

@picb

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear! Curious to see if you like it!

@David-uq1qb

2 жыл бұрын

did you like it?

@johntsanis

2 жыл бұрын

@@David-uq1qb I haven't received it yet, it will arrived soon. I will let you know

i have seen a lot of chairs and this is one of them

Thank you so much for the detailed review! I think I will pass on this and go with something else..(due to unadjustable backrest height, and headrest)

This was a thorough and well presented review. 5'10" here! I'm thinking of giving this a try anyway to see if it really is for shorter people. Will update with my experiences if I do.

@MuzeecX

3 жыл бұрын

How is the chair?

Exactly the issues I was afraid that this chair would have. Many thank's

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear I could help!

Now this is what you call an honest review! You should review secret lab titan!

Thanks for this honest review!

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

@HeangKoing

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb Great review and pretty much one of the only negative reviews I've seen. Everyone else loves it but they are shilling for the company. Thanks for the video!

Thank you for your review! It was very useful and truly an honest review. I think the whole discomfort and disappointment that you had is due to the fact that "the chair is made for shorter people and Autonomous didn't specify the height range" for this product. I think what would be best for you would be to try a gamer chair. Although it not truly ergonomic, it is usually built for taller people in mind. That's also the reason why I didn't choose a gamer chair in the first place because of my medium stature.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you've got a good point. The height issue, along with the wobbly adjustments make this chair a no-go for me. I've had my eyes on a taller gaming chair like the Secretlab Titan but for that price I think there are better alternatives by smaller brands

I live in Portugal and here is not very easy to find good ergo chairs. For this price range ( even tho ppl say its a bit overpriced ) I don't think there is many other options in this price range that give you this quality. I wanted to get the staples hyken but from what I've seen they only sell in the US or CA. Anyways thank you for your honest review. I bought it yesterday and I hope I will enjoy it since I am switching from a gaming chair ( secret labs titan ).

Gosh I wanted to buy this badly and now seeing you're the similar height to me and seeing the problems you encountered just Damm saved me loads of money. Also idk if that's a bigger size chair. Last time I checked was that there were two different sizes a small and big but I'm sure u got the big one

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Oscar! Happy to hear I could help! From my knowledge (and their website) there aren't two sizes. Where did you see that listed?

You know you cant trust a review if discord is in white mode ! Just saying, be careful guys

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

😂 Easier to read in bright sunlight on my phone

@fns58

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus christ, thank you for the heads up

Great review, was looking at this as a cheaper option but think I'm going to splurge and go for the Herman Miller Mirra 2 - had one before briefly and was very happy with it.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Aweome to hear I could help, enjoy your new Mirra!

Very good, I have this chair and I completely agree with you. The height of the arm rests are quite annoying where they lock into place. The spacing is too far apart. I wish there was a way to lower them more like what you said or rotate them upwards.

Thank you for this video, I was about to pull the trigger until I came to the same conclusions you found after looking into Reddit. It seems like all the KZread videos are paid ads basically and doesn't come across honest.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! I too was really dissapointed in the 'online community' for not being honest or at least hilighting some of the major issues people may have with this chair. Let me know what chair you decide to buy too!

Hey, nice video, love honest reviews. Btw, did you find a decent chair since the making of this video?

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear the video helped you! I haven't found a suitable replacement in the same budget yet, so I'm starting to save for an Aeron or similar high end chair. Let me know if you find something too! I'm always interested in hearing what else there is on the market :)

thanks for the review, almost bought one based on the hyped reviews

Almost bought it..glad I cam across your review.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear I could help!

Bought this chair only to find your video after I put it all together. Initially I liked it except for the lumbar and it was just driving me crazy after a couple of days. So I said F it and got my tool set and took it out. It was a total pain in the rear to get the tiny little screw out because I not only had to disassemble the chair but the screw was at a really weird angle and had to use a mini screw driver. Now I am much happier. Ps I am 6'2 and you are definitely right that this is not a perfect chair but for the price I am okay with my decision. Great video man, I really enjoyed it.

I spent literally 2 days watching and reading all those positive reviews and finally found an honest and very detailed review. Thank you so much! I also am 190cm (6'2") and 95kg (210lbs). I also am looking for a chair. Did you find one? I'm between the 2022 Evo Softweave (it is a Gaming-Chair, but it doesn’t have a Racing style bucket seat) or an office chair.

Thanks for your time and effort on this video, it is very informative and saved me a big headache. But I'm curious as to what chair you decided to buy and keep?

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Dee, awesome to hear I could help! Glad I saved you some trouble 😄 As for your question, I'm waiting for the right time to buy an Aeron or similar high-end chair. I'm sick of cheap shit by now... for the time being I've been using a surprisingly good foam padded chair I got for free which was made in 2002. Goes to show good designs age well 😉 Cheers, Sunny

I loved your review and agree with you in many things of the chair. Did you find another chair that pleased you and made you feel comfortable? I'm curious as I am looking for one too! Thank you!!

love that key board from the 80's

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks! Still going strong

It is true it is better suited for smaller people. I got it for my husband (5'11 or 1.80m) and, although otherwise he loved the ergonomics, he always felt it was too short for his home office desk. He ended up giving it to me (5'7 or 1.70m), and it's been nice (it does take some time getting used to, though). However, I find it hard to imagine adjusting it for someone shorter than me, since I already have it mostly set to the "lower" settings.

I own and love my ergo2, but thank you for the detailed review.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video, and your chair! Definitely a great value chair if it suits you well. How tall are you if you mind me asking? Kind regards, Sunny

@elian6019

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb Hi, I'm 1.72m tall

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

@@elian6019, Thanks!

@derdunzen

3 жыл бұрын

@@elian6019 Great to hear, I'm 1,75m tall and will buy it. In Germany there is absolutly no other option...

@seika5663

3 жыл бұрын

@@derdunzen how'd you found the ergo2 with your height? Im about 1.70~1.75m

I own this chair since August 2020. I love your lumbar support explanation exactly how i feel it. It wasn't really have good lumbar support. I feel like those cheap $99 office chair in old day have better lumbar support.. My favorite chair would be Humanscale Liberty Freedom. i dont own it but my office have it since 2014. I have been using it. It have better lumbar support.

20 minute review of a chair... class

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

The original recording was over half an hour long! It's hard to fit so much info into a small time period xD

I was going to buy this chair, but not anymore, solid review

@zchrisb

3 жыл бұрын

Ended up getting the Nitro Concepts S300, it is long person-friendly for me

@SirAser.F__k.you.Google

3 жыл бұрын

@@zchrisb Thats a "gaming-chair" right?

What would you recommend as an alternative, though? Unfortunately this chair has a lot of hype because it's in a decent price range, where a lot of the competing chairs are deceiving crap from amazon.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn't tell you sorry. I haven't tried many other chairs from competing brands due to not having hundreds of dollars to spend just for a review. I'd love to review different alternatives in the future though, if the are companies that are willing to loan them for example. Best to read the other comments, there are some experiences from others in there too with different brands/models. Let me know if you find something you're happy with!

@Nigel__

3 жыл бұрын

Hello, did you ever find a good alternative?

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Not in this price range sorry. I'm currently looking into Aeron or Steelcase offerings.

@locklear308

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb I don't recommend the steelcase leap V2 just to save you from wasting time. The back and seat do not have enough cushion.

@yusofplayed

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It's not perfect, but it's essentially the only halfway decent choice that won't homicide your bank account. It's overall a good chair!

Thank you for this honest video. After seeing this I realize this chair is not for me too as I need the arm rest to go really low so I can slider the chair underneath my desk and I am a short person so I need the chair to be raised as highest possible and have the arm rest underneath the table for max comfort.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear I could help!

TY for the review. There measurements on their site are also super weird. I'm 5'9 and not sure wether this will be a good seat.

I wish I had seen this review earlier, I purchased this chair and I have the exact same problem with the lumbar support, I like to sit upright and with this chair this means getting my kidneys stabbed at all times by a thick pillow. It's so bad I am getting back pain after only an hour no matter how I adjust it. This chair is only comfortable if you like to lie back, which is exactly the problem I had with the chair I bought this to replace! Time to deal with the messy process of repackaging it for a return... It came with soo much packing material

I've seen a number of negative reviews, but I haven't seen anything comparable at this price range from those reviewers. Those reviewers are basically comparing the chair to a $1500 Aeron.

I've had this chair for nearly 4 months now. I have never been more uncomfortable. Going to staples this week to get a 2nd Hyken chair after the first one died after 6 years of service. RIP

@xxxjdgamingxxx7688

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, I stand 5'6" tall. do you think it would be uncomfortable for my height? considering of buying this chair but now having second thoughts. THanks!

@jakus68

3 жыл бұрын

@@xxxjdgamingxxx7688 your height should be fine. I'm around 5'8" and the size of the chair was never an issue. The seat cushion was the worst part about it, along with the feeling that I'm always going to fall out of it.

Many, unfortunately, also aren't fully or properly disclosing (as legally required) that they were sent the chair, for free..... & that they are part of the 'influencer' &/or 'affiliate' program, which.... gets them a commission paid, in return for each & every sale. That bias MUST be disclosed & in a certain way.... to protect the very viewers/customers who, without.... those opportunities, wouldn't even exist to begin with. Something more imho, truly need to keep in mind. Plus, I mean.... integrity. Really sucks imho that the majority, if/when they can.... don't disclose things at ALL. Any connection to, bias or gain, should be made crystal clear... transparent to anyone watching. Thank you for sharing your (actual) HONEST review & thoughts. It is greatly appreciated, esp considering. :) Glad to see you had a good experience w/ refund too. Stay safe & be well.

Im 5’7’’ and this chair is the best for me, sorry it was not good for you man; hope you find something better.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear you're happy with it!

Thank you! You saved me C$700 today.. I almost took the leap of faith.. Thanks again!

After watching the Gamer's Nexus reviews I kept this chair on my mind. I came here to expressively say THANK YOU for saving me 500 dollars, a couple of weeks, a lot of pain and inconvenience. I'm so thankful that youtube still allows for this type of videos, more akin to the original website 9 to 12 years ago and that you decided to do this in a well organized, concise and demonstrative manner. I didn't have to go through the entire video but the format of it allowed me to quickly find what I was looing for. EXCELLENT Job!

@picb

2 жыл бұрын

So heart-warming to read this! When GN's video came out I was honestly shocked that they enjoyed the product, but it's not hard to claim it's good when they're comparing it to other cheap 'gaming' seats.. Either way, really happy to hear my video helped you! Good luck on the search of a new chair, if you find one feel free to let me know! Always good to find underrated designs which most people can afford.

Thank you for this review. I recently purchased an Autonomous Kinn Chair. Though the design is slightly different, I experienced many of the same issues you described with your ergochair. Since I am 6'3", this video really resonated with me. In the process of returning my chair. Have you had any luck finding a chair that works for you?

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Scott, thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed the video 😊 Unfortunately I haven't found a suitable replacement. It seems like most of the chairs in this price range suffer from similar issues. I've heard good things about the brand 'Interstuhl' (however I haven't tried myself), a friend of mine who is also around 6'2" bought their joyceis3 and he likes it very much. They seem to be just over the €400 price range but are still way more affordable than say a Herman Miller which I'm thinking of just saving up for. I hope this helps! Let me know if you find yourself a new chair too, or if you have any other questions.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

thanks! really thanks for this vid!

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful!

Bedankt voor de video man, had bijna de stoel gekocht. Welke heb je uiteindelijk gekocht?

GREAT review. I just bought the chair, my husband assembled and it is sooo NOT comfortable. My neck shoulder and back hurt after sitting in the chair for 1 hour only. wished I could have read your review earlier. But i am returning it. Just a lot of assemble and disassemble T_T

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Unfortunate you have to send it back, but their support was great in my experience. Let me know how it goes!

@michaelmaaba5463

3 жыл бұрын

what chair did you end up with? currently looking around

to be said as I was doing research , at least in Europe under in under 500 usd all chairs basically have quality issues and mechanism issues and things like that, full mesh ones with saggy mesh in few months and so on. Apart from those 1000usd + ones ( or if getting used it can be very good deal ), Im 5,8 , but I feel you tho. The one similar to this, just that can be adjusted fully is Mosh BS-702 , but its mostly being offered in Europe for around 450usd

I got this after using a cheaper Amazon chair and I like it, but I do well with the stiff cushion some people I think want to sit on pillows, but I find that can cause my hips to get too tight. Though I also use this chair with a footstool so I don't have issues with it tilting forward. Pretty interesting how people react. I know some chair snobs though that won't use anything except Herman Miller, but I'll say this feels like my old office chair when I had to go into an office. As for the price, I do think some reviews don't understand why the price is as is and a year ago the shipping issues made sense. I ordered this year and it took 7 days it would have taken less time, but UPS messed up the delivery. Though I will say I think some of the production may have changed on this chair in a year.

This is the kind of review that I was looking for.

@BitsOfInterest

3 жыл бұрын

Well, when you see that keyboard and a PC housed basically on a bare bones MoBo tray with back I/O you sorta have a feeling what's coming... Imagine what Wendell from Level1Techs or Buildzoid would say, LOL 😋

I feel eactly te same, returning mine today, it tilts forwards a bit and makes my back hurt

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Let me know how the return process goes for you!

15 mins and bam I was done. Never had an issue assembling the chair. But again, I just use power tools. The hand tool the give you is nice. But I had a bit that would work for the screws

The pillow cushion is so thick that it blocks the lower half of the back, making the ergonomics obsolete. I could definitely see that. If you could move the back up that would make a huge difference but you can’t, good job pointing that out.

@picb

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear I could help!

10/10 review.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it :D

@safran4588

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb :))

Good quality video. For the full retail I’d probably steer away but I just found the black and white version in a pawn shop new in box for 250. That may be worth the risk. 😂

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear! The benefit of buying it from Autonomous directly is their refund policy, allowing you to return the chair if you don't like it.

The main problems that I have with this chair is the headrest. I’m 6 foot tall and the headrest doesn’t reach my head. I will have to tilt my head really hard to rest my head on the headrest which that already defeated the purpose of the headrest. And I bought this chair just for the headrest.... I think this chair is for smaller people. My wife is 5’3” and she feels good sitting in that chair. I’ve already got the return label to return this chair.

Damn it i was considering to buy this chair lol ...I really like sit straight and most chair have tilt backwards so they are not fully straight .I hope some chair company will look at your video and comments and finally will make solid comfortable chair in the future

liked this video for a honest review

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you found it useful

I’m 6’3” and 310 lbs but I have shorter legs but long torso. I’m a 31 length so yea mostly torso but i love this Chairm long back nice leg length and the head rest fits perfect

Thank you very much for your words on this chair. Also a 1,90m (6,2 feet) guy who just decided to not buy this chair after watching reviews on this and other chairs and others for hours. Maybe you can write up your height somewhere in the description.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Realpy happy to hear I could help! Great idea! I'll add it now. Let me know what chair you decide to buy and what you think of it!

@niklast.7099

3 жыл бұрын

Same problem for me i'm 190cm too but have a very long torso also Do you guys know a better alternative ?

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

@@niklast.7099 Not necessarily, what country are you in?

@niklast.7099

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb Germany

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

@@niklast.7099, a friend of mine (in Germany) bought the 'Interstuhl JOYCEis3' and he really likes it. There are heaps of smaller country specific brands (especially in Germany) so if you look for something less known but still very reputable it could work out since I assume the prices would be lower then too

After only one week of using it, I agree with 95% of what you said. Here my extra bit of information : first bit of information im 6.7ft tall and about 300lb. - the armrest : moving around and not locking is actually nice as you can move them away from you to sit and stand. their position is way too foward! if you slide the seat frontward the armrest follow leaving your elbow kind of just hanging and as soon as you lean a little bit backward it might as well not be there at all. - the seat : its kinda not as cushiony as i would've liked. the fact that it doesnt lock properly is indeed fucking anoying and the most backward lean would be considered the "neutral" position so no way to tilt it more backward. that whole tilting the angle of the seat is completly useless. - back support : the mesh is nice while standing straight only problem is when you want to lean. the shape of the back support makes it that you kind of sink in in the middle making it a bit uncomfortable. the lombard support cant be adjusted high enough. indeed no depth adjustment. no way to move the back support up!!!!!! just this would make this chair so much better. the back lever is completely useless, ive use it to lean backward and thats it. - the headrest : just doesnt go high enought. instead of resting at the bottom of my skull its actually at the base of my neck... pretty much only usefull when leaning back, then again it doesnt go forward enought so its kind of only usefull if you are planning on sleeping in an uncomfortable chair... fun fact : i destroyed the box so im stuck with it

Great review... I just got this chair and thought maybe I was crazy because I don't love it and all the other reviews I've seen are glowing. One question though... have you found a replacement chair? Looks like my search continues as well!

@Fondleburg

3 жыл бұрын

I am about to purchase a chair myself, but if not this chair, what else is there?

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Whoops, sorry Kate. Missed your comment. To answer your question... no, I havent found a replacement yet. I'm always open to trying new things so if you find something you like let me know and I might give it a try!

This chair is either a love or hate relationship. I got it recently and it feels fine. Definitely have a few issues such as headrest and armrest don’t feel right, but for the price, it’s the one that stands out in that range. Just another thing, for your headrest, does it snap or moves smoothly? Older reviews have tge headrest snapping, however, yours look like it’s moving without snapping like mine?

my brother just got this in...ugh....and I wanted the kind chair but im going to wait now...ty

Great review, thank you. Would you recommend another the Kinn?

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Treyu, thanks! Glad I could help :) I haven't tied the Kinn chair so I can't really say much about it. Apart from it looking like a Herman Miller embody rip-off (which makes me question how 'innovative' Autonomous really is), their refund policy is excellent so if you don't like the chair within 30 days you should be able to send it back and receive a full refund. Let me knownif you decide to pick this one up and what you think of it!

I am 5"11 and I sit with the seat closer to the back of the chair, lowering the lumbar pillow to the lowest part of the curve of my spine. Locking the lumbar in default so it wont move with the backrest. I leave the back loose and unlocked and sit back on it allowing it to keep me afloat. Feels like im on a cloud, so many ways to adjust this chair did you try like this? Are you getting another new chair?

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Joe! Thanks for the comment I tried keeping the back loose but didn't like how it didn't apply any pressure to my back. Glad to hear it works for you. I'll definitely be getting another chair, just don't know what one yet xD Might save up for an Aeron, or if someone recommends a different budget chair I'd be happy to give it a go :)

Ended up getting the avochair from them instead of this one because of your video, i’m very pleased with that one.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear you found the review useful!

I love the chair to be honest but god that stupid lumbar support is so bad. Trying to find a way to remove it.... Edit: For those interested their is a Philips screw at the bottom of the rail that prevent the lumbar support from falling when adjusting it down. To remove it just use a small screw driver or some 90 degree angle screw driver or plier with screw driver bits or ratchet with bits. It does not require any force at all to remove it. Once done push the lumbar support down until it is off the rail, you will see that their is 2 locking pin you can remove them and put them aside with the screw in a secure place. Finally wiggle your way out to the left or right side and then the lumbar support will be removed. PS: If for any reason you struggle with the final step, you can remove all the screw from the rail which will allow you to move it straight up.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that! Awesome to hear you enjoy the chair after removing the lumbar support. I am curious though, does the mesh get kind of sloppy where the lumbar support was? (since now it doesn't have anything pushing against it)

@kill95

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb I would have to compare to other mesh chair without lumbar support but so far it feel like a regular chair.

@t-e-s-a

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I saw this comment months ago, the lumbar support is criminal.

Hey I'm around your height, have you found an alternative chair around the same price point?

Huh... I did not have the same experience as you via assembly. Mine was a breeze and all components worked great. Entire chair assembled in 15 minutes.

@picb

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear! Even though the assembly didn't go as smoothly as I had hoped, I was willing to accept that (especially at this price point) if it was actually comfortable to use, which I found wasn't the case. If you love the shape then you've got yourself a pretty good deal!

one of the things that appealed to me about Steelcase was the snap together no tools, and no screws assembly and their 12 year warranty where they'll replace any broken part.

@BitsOfInterest

3 жыл бұрын

That alone would be a reason for me not to buy it. Snap fittings get loose and fail. You have to either glue or screw stuff together or it won't hold...

Thank you 🌷🌷

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you found it helpful!

I got the chair and it’s great, but I see where you are coming from

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you enjoy it!

Good review, one thing though: ergnomically you want your armrests exactly the same height as the table to be able to rest your arms on them while typing

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And yep, that's true. However my issue isn't that they can't go high enough to sit flush with my desk, but that I can't move them low enough to fit under. Sorry if that wasn't made clear.

@TheXylezz

3 жыл бұрын

Bathtub360 all good! Yeah I usually adjust my armrests to fit under the table when I’m not at the desk as well, really annoying that you can’t fit that with the ergo chair. Your review was really the last nail in the coffin for me and I will spend the extra for a Herman Miller and be just happy

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear I could help! What model Herman Miller are you going for? I also decided to bite the bullet and almost have enough saved up for one :) Don't know if I'll go for say an Embody or Aeron though, I'll have to try them out and see what I like more. I'm curious to see what you go for ;)

@TheXylezz

3 жыл бұрын

I am leaning towards the Aeron in size B, I am 180cm and 105kg but have really short and muscular legs, the C will have too long base for me. The aeron might not be the most comfortable but the best for your posture most likely

Thank you. I was considering buying one, but was reluctant to buy one without trying first. Many You-Tubers are sponsored, so of course they are giving the chair a good review. Did you find a chair you like? I tried an Aeron chair. I thought it was decent, but I didn't play with the adjustments much. I didn't think it was worth $1,300.00 (US). Now looking at a Steelcase.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! I completely agree. Since this incident, I've definitely lost my trust with almost every random 'techtuber' reviewing whatever gets sent their way. I haven't gotten a permanent replacement yet, however I'll be trying out some Herman Miller chairs soon to see what I like. I've had my eyes on the Aeron for a while now, so thinking of biting the (expensive) bullet and getting a quality product in return. I've heard from many people that it took them a few weeks to get comfortable in their Aeron due to it correcting their posture which after years of 'incorrectly' sitting can be a massive change. I'll also definitely try out what Steelcase has to offer. They've got some high quality chairs too, and seem to be Herman Miller's main rivals when comparing office chairs. Be sure to let me know what you end up going for! Like I said in the video, everyone is different. So trying a chair first hand is miles more important than what someone says on the internet. Best of wishes, Sunny

@nerdstrangler4804

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb As an Aeron owner it definitely takes some getting used to. The mesh is quite hard at first and needs a break-in period. Additionally figuring out how to adjust everything properly can be a painful process of trial and error. I was trying to use the forward tilt function since I paid extra for it, turns out that was what was causing the bulk of my back discomfort. If you do go that route feel free to save the money and avoid that "feature" imo. Also I think I had the lumbar support dialed in too aggressively. Like you after messing around looking for cheaper alternatives I just got fed up with chair shopping and decided to bite the bullet. Spending that amount of money on a chair was hard to justify. However after getting everything dialed in and having used it for about a year it is hard to complain. Which for me, as a natural cheapskate dropping $1300 on a chair, is a pretty remarkable feat. Its really only when I had to go through the process of chair shopping all over again for for my girlfriend that I realized, it was money well spent. Personally I wasn't considering steelcase offerings. Simply because I don't expect foam + fabric to hold up as well over time as mesh. And in this price range, I don't want to have to buy another chair for a looooong ass time. I always recommend people look for something cheaper. But if you use your chair a lot, and have the money, an Aeron isn't a bad bet. Their reputation is legendary for a reason.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerdstrangler4804 Thanks for the comment! Couldn't have said it better myself. Glad to hear you're happy with your Aeron! When I spec mine I might skip on the forward tilt feature then, but I'll be sure to test it in advance ;) Hope you found the video useful! Cheers, Sunny

I've been searching a while for a new chair and have decided on the uplift pursuit. I haven't received it yet, but I think it addresses many of your issues with this chair. Similar price as this, but it seems much more ergonomic to me.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Nice, definitely let me know what you think of it!

@chrisr5675

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb So I received the chair today and have been using it for a few hours. I like it alot, but I dont think it would be useful for anyone taller than me. Im 5'11" and while the lumbar is adjustable by moving the back seat higher, I need to have it all the way up for proper lumbar support. Its really a great chair, but not for taller people unless you can do with lower lumbar support.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know! Glad you like it :D

@CaseyHardman

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisr5675 You're probably the only other person in existence that's also 5'11" and bought the Pursuit. I've been wanting to buy one, but there aren't many reviews online so I'm still a bit wary. Would you recommend it over the ErgoChair?

@chrisr5675

3 жыл бұрын

​@@CaseyHardman I haven't tried the ergochair, but I think the uplift will last you longer. Other chairs I had, the armrests would go first, but on the uplift its some kind of hard grippy rubber/plastic material and i dont see that wearing ever. This whole thing just feels like it will last a while even tho its mostly plastic. BTW after using the chair for a few days I think the backrest doesnt need to go up as high as i had it. I think taller people could use it still. I just wish the headrest could go forward a little. I dont regret getting this over the ergochair.

I think it's going to mostly come down to the individual, but like they always say, " you can't please everyone, all of the time". So I guess its the type of chair that is going to make a lot of people content, but like most products, there will always be a portion of customers that will struggle to enjoy the product.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Well said! That's also why their return policy is likely "too good to be true". However, even if the chair fit me well I'd still be dissapointed for the bad build quality and overally wobblyness of the chair.

After watching this review and realizing it's not just me that has a hard time with this chair, I decided to return it. The biggest gripe, I think, would be either the fact that my upper back doesn't sink in far enough to offer the proper support, Or it's the fact that the lumbar support is too small. In order for me to sit in this chair without back pain I have to arch my back well above an inch or 2.5cm from the lumber in order to get the proper support of my upper back. When I get the lumbar just right and I rest my back on the lumbar I feel like I have to force myself to sit up; If I let my muscles relax I just fall forward. The neck rest is useless as well. When I sit in the chair the head rest is like an inch away from the back of my head; it's only usable when leaned back.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly the same problems I had. Glad you found the review useful! Let me know how the return process goes for you!

@EliteMuppet

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb Just got my packing slip and my return is a go. Only took maybe few hours after leaving a voicemail.

i bought this chair several months ago and wanted badly to like it. Most expensive chair I ever bought. I share your opinion of it... it's lacking in function and I hurt when I sit in it for long periods. Unfortunately the packaging is long gone and it's been more than 30 days. I'll be trying to shlep it on the used market soon I guess.

Was just going to click at 'Place Order'. Came here and passed it on. So expensive and faulted!

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear the video helped you! Thanks for sharing

I have this chair as well and I respect your opinion, but I do not share it. I'm 1.98m tall, just shy of 100kg and I find it rather comfortable. It's not a Herman-Miller of course, but the chair is a complete different price point. Right around the traditional "gaming" chairs, of which one I owned before I got my Ergochair. I must say that the Ergochair is Miles better than the gaming chair in terms of comfort and materials, I don't stick to the chair during summer and the seat is still very cushiony. The lumbar support is perfect for me, again I'd like to iterate on the fact that this is my personal experience, but I do share your frustrations about the headrest... The only time I use it is when I'm leaning back and if I try to use it while sitting straight, I feel like I'm forcing my body in angles that makes me go see a physical therapist. The chair is also a static electricity magnet to the point where I can't work in the chair with shoes on or I'd shock something. In verdict: we're not all created equally. Some people might experience this chair to be the God of chairs, some might wanna return it after a day. It's a, in my honest opinion, good deal in terms of pricing (especially when you see all these gaming chairs around the same price point). It's really up to you whenever you like it or not. P.S. Hallo daar mede Nederlander o/

So what chair do you recommend?

I understand that for a taller person the chair is a big compromise but if your just an average male is it recommendable? Because its really hard to find a ergonomic chair for less than 500 $, taking into account I'm from Europe and its hard to find a good chair at a reasonable amount and also there's a lot less availability

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I really can't say xD Every person is different so you might love it or hate it just like me. The only option is to try it out. Do you have an IKEA near you? If so, try out their new VALLFJÄLLET. It came out a few weeks ago so there aren't any reviews out yet, but that shouldn't be needed since you can try it out in store :) Let me know if you've found something too! I'm still on the hunt for a new chair so if you find something you like I might give it a go too.

These kind of chairs used to be only less than $200. But they probably thought "hey, if they can sell those gaming chairs for $500 above, we can, too, yeah?"

Hey BT360 - I would have to agree with you. I am sending mine back. Can you tell me how you got the base off so that I would all fit back in the box? Good review!!

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Nick! Glad you found the review helpful! In their disassembly video they suggest using WD-40 to make it slightly easyer to get the base off. Unfortunately I tried everything I could with no success, so I had to put the inner layer of the box upside down in the outer box making the overall box a lot bigger which allowed me to fit the chair in there with the base still attatched. I also had to use some other sizes of strong cardboard boxes to fill up all of the empty room created. This did work, but I really don't recommend it. Try your hardest to get that base off. Let me know if this helps! Kind regards, Sunny

nearly bought.. i think i may try the nouhaus ergo3d.. hard to find good reviews though.

The cycle: look at gaming chairs. Find one with good ratings. Community says gaming chairs are shit look at ergonomic chairs. Look at ergonomic chairs. Find one with good ratings. A few people say it's terrible. Doubt yourself. Do more research. Community says ergo chairs under $500 are shit. No one provides alternatives to Herman Miller chairs. Now more lost than when I started.

@NERDSGONEBAD

3 жыл бұрын

Save up for Herman miller

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel your pain 😄

@jetjaguar72

3 жыл бұрын

These chairs ain't it chief. I've used these, Aeron, and a wide variety of gaming chairs. This was definitely the worst along with Ikea crap. Cheap gaming chairs were crap as well. Aeron chairs were pretty comfortable, but honestly the arms always feel loose and jiggly. Trying upper tier gaming chairs this month 😑

@kenjifox4264

3 жыл бұрын

@@jetjaguar72 I used Aereon chairs at work. Did NOT like them for long hours of use. The chair is basically a basket, and you are hanging in that basket, it does not support your body. After a while of sitting on that basket, the U-shape of the seat starts to push your body to the center and you no longer feel like your weight is evenly distributed on the seat. I need seating with padding. Ordered a Steelcase Gesture, coming in 4 days.

@fanpandatastic

3 жыл бұрын

@@kenjifox4264 lemme know how it compares

I'd be interested to know the height, from floor to the under side of your desk top. That way I could check how it would go with my desk, which is either 65cm or 70cm from the ground, depending on which desk I'm using. I'm weighing up between the Ergochair 2 and the Ergohuman Plus Elite. Not sure where you bought your Ergochair 2 from, as I couldn't figure out which country you might be in. I think you nailed it when you said it's no good for someone 6'3", I'm 5'10, so maybe it would just be okay. Great review and time stamps, thank you!

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey bld, I try to respond to as many comments as possible, which pretty much ends up being every single one 😄 The bottom of my desk (which is the height that the armrests would have to be lower than to fit under) is 72cm from the floor. The chair could not fit under that at the max seat height and lowest armrest height possible, which made it really annoying since you'd have to change the height of the chair every time you want to sit in it. I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions and I'll do my best to help :D

@-bld-

3 жыл бұрын

@@picb Thank you! I've liked three of your videos, all very helpful. : ) Could you comment on how supportive/comfortable the bottom cushion support is, as another reviewer said it bottomed out easily, like you could feel the hard base underneath the cushion. Otherwise, great to see a reviewer that is honest and helpful.

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

No worries! It probably depends on your weight too. I think I'm around 80kg and the cushion felt fine for me. Is it a little on the firm side? Yes, but you'll get that with almost every seat made from foam in this price range. I only tried the chair out for a few days before sending it back and I didn't feel it bottom out, but that may become an issue if: a) you're heavier b) over time the foam gets squashed into a thinner form. c) you sit in the chair for longer periods of time in one go (without breaks). This is generally bad for health anyway, so if you're starting to feel it bottom out after sitting for 6 hours straight it's a helpful reminder to stand up, streach and take a walk for a few minutes before returning back. As always, I hope this helps and feel free to ask any other questions or join the Discord :)

Im now 13min into this Video, and it seems to me, that most of the ergonomic issues you described shouldn‘t be a problem for me, as I am only 1,77m (or kid size, as you mentioned... no offense, just a joke 😁) Regarding the build quality, I‘ll edit my comment when I am done with the video... but for now, I think in that price range I can not expect wonders. I am happy enough to get a chair with many tilting and swiveling options. Because I know the very high quality options we got in our office are 3-4 times the price and I wouldn’t spend that much on a homeoffice chair. (edit) Now at the end of the video, just like I imagined, I think the build quality sounds ok for a ergonomic chair like this in this price range. Even my incredibly expensive office chair at work wobbles a bit when you try to rock back and forth in the locked position... much less than yours, but hey, it costs 5 times as much. I think I will order one and take a look if it suits at least for people my size. But most important: very very good video! I like that you really go into the details

Agreed with the review but Id have to reference your point on JaysTwoCentz. He did also say it wasn’t perfect. I’m in agreement in this sense of both of you.. its decent but its not perfect. The problem is good chairs are very expensive. My Herman at work is great but its hard to justify the price tag so one does not have many options unless they’re buying used.

Gods. Thank you for this video. I only have enough money for ONE Chair and this really does not look like the chair for me either as I'm 6'3 myself as well, I'd likely have all the problems you're mentioning and more. Real shame because I don't want any of those fruity ridiculous looking gaming chairs, I want something that looks professional and ergonomic and it looks like the long, long hunt for such a chair has not come to any conclusions yet

@picb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad to hear I could help :D Let me know what chair you decide to buy instead!

@lorenzop8022

3 жыл бұрын

What did you buy ?