Go in-depth into Jonathan’s ideas in his ARC Research paper co-written with Jordan Peterson: “Identity: Individual and the State versus the Subsidiary Hierarchy of Heaven”. www.arc-research.org/research-papers/the-subsidiary-hierarchy

@chocolatesugar4434

7 ай бұрын

To treat a rich person better than a poor person shows your intentions aren’t pure. I say all this to say, ignoring every single comment but one says a lot about your position.

@donnafoster5215

7 ай бұрын

@@chocolatesugar4434 Define “better.”

@robertortiz-wilson1588

7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@ordermind

4 ай бұрын

How is this a research paper?

@StudentDad-mc3pu

4 ай бұрын

Since Heaven does not exist this is kind of moor, surely?

I am an Atheist that has doubts. I have been looking for the 'intelligent design' behind humanity and, life for that matter for quite some time now. Jonathan's talk was powerful. It came to me at a time in my journey that made me ready to hear it. It's funny......it may turn out that a 17 minute video becomes a turning point in my life. Thanks Jonathan.

@mtlicq

7 ай бұрын

@daveascoli - I'm sending respect your way. You are intelligent already, and wise indeed. I hope and pray wisdom stays with you and that you will find the Lord, and avoid cults & off track & New Age spiritualism bunk in the process of your journey.

@daveascoli

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the support and encouraging words.@@mtlicq

@pierremeshreky4331

7 ай бұрын

I understand brother, modern religion has failed us in giving us the answers our souls seeks

@charissepk

7 ай бұрын

You won't be alone in that! My husband found God in a moment of suffering, and he's a pastor now. Praying God reaches your heart today.

@spaak3465

7 ай бұрын

That's awesome, and you ain't alone. A few years ago Jonathan made a believer out of this atheist. Good luck on your way.

Years ago I started listening to this guy as an atheist with a science major. Now, I will be baptized next month into the Orthodox Church. Thank you, Jonathan!

@samiahanna9118

7 ай бұрын

God bless you

@EvansEasyJapanese

5 ай бұрын

Welcome home!

@CRUCIFi777

4 ай бұрын

Denominations are unbiblical, try proving me wrong.

@3cpeter

4 ай бұрын

Congratulations!

@kc_woodsman7504

4 ай бұрын

Glory to God! ☦️

This was such a brilliant speech!

@thomasletke2615

7 ай бұрын

Agreed Ruslan! Much of the vocabulary and concepts he discusses on his own channel was concisely interwoven through this entire speech! It was truly neat. Have you ever considered reaching out to Jonathan to have him on a podcast?

@ClassicsandChristianity

7 ай бұрын

Ruslan and Jonathan Pageau were the 2 KZread channels that really got me through my faith crisis / deconstruction in 2021. Thanks guys 👏

@RuslanKD

7 ай бұрын

@@thomasletke2615 I'm working on having him on!

@anamariaaraya5060

7 ай бұрын

This was just beautiful

@rafaelsakarya

7 ай бұрын

agreed.

When a man spends countless quiet hours carving beautiful icons out of wood he gets to spend countless beautiful hours in deep contemplative thought. And it is good. Thank you Jonathan for your thoughts, voice, and carvings.

@martnijkamp2076

7 ай бұрын

wonderful comment

@freezie411

3 ай бұрын

Man, I was not expecting to see you in this comment section! I loved your videos when I was a kid and watched them all the time. Thanks for doing what you do, brother

@epicfantasy

3 ай бұрын

@@freezie411 Wow, great to hear from you. Thanks :)

@orangeblue01

12 күн бұрын

.

Thank God for Jonathan

@ChadTheAlcoholic

7 ай бұрын

Much love bruv

@stephenmacdonald4005

7 ай бұрын

Thank God for Jonathan!

@LeeMarieHarder

7 ай бұрын

Man of God.

@gregorywitcher5618

7 ай бұрын

And Mattheiu Pageau. More people need to hear his brother’s words too.

@gregorywitcher5618

7 ай бұрын

@@ChadTheAlcoholicHowdy Chad! How’ve you been bud?

This made me think of something my aunt who is a Catholic nun told me. She said that when the Sisters go into poor communities and are able to help them get materially stable, not wealthy, but stable with enough food and shelter, they are the happiest communities. They don’t focus on getting more stuff. Instead, they focus on worship, on family and community and spending time together and helping each other.

@Seliz463

7 ай бұрын

This illustrates something I think a lot of people don’t grasp-our current economic and legal institutions have a pretty big incentive to break up family and relational ties because that’s how they get us to turn to consumerism. There is no money to be made from people in stable, loving families and communities. So we need to keep in mind that there is a very intentional push to harm and discourage those bonds. It’s not a random or coincidental thing. It’s an targeted agenda. Individual people have to make the choice to prioritize their marriages, families, neighborhoods, parishes, and other positive (non-consumer based) social ties. It’s okay to want material things and went wealth, but it’s important to see it as a means to an end, not a source of personal fulfillment itself.

@mikebrunt4099

4 ай бұрын

Best response here thank you

After watching all these great speeches so far...I believe that this one might be the most significant.

@lindamock4612

7 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@alvareo92

7 ай бұрын

And no completely unprompted enthusiastic support for Israel either!

@mtlicq

7 ай бұрын

@@alvareo92 correct, and neither for the headchopper majority surrounding Israel either!

@PhonoDirect

7 ай бұрын

@@alvareo92LOL, you clown 😅

@Marlene-oy6sd

7 ай бұрын

I think you are right.

I say this all the time, Jordan Peterson got me thinking of this stuff with a fresh set of eyes but Jonathan Pageau was instrumental in really bringing it home.

@spaak3465

7 ай бұрын

The two JP's make quite the dynamic duo in this regard.

@arminoleg1624

7 ай бұрын

@@spaak3465 They sure do

@geofferylangley3099

2 ай бұрын

This 💯

8:13 - That part about our values breaking down when we have the most stuff in history really resonated with me. That is powerful!

@ChadTheAlcoholic

7 ай бұрын

This is probably the most overlooked and poignant point of our age. Having and getting isn’t bad. Only when it becomes our god, wether we recognize it or not, is when it’s bad. Ironically I have felt for a long time, these devices were using to consume these videos are the most subtle of snakes. When each of us were offered crystal balls in the palm of our hands we were made sleeping Wizards of chaos. May God help us all.

An incredible speech... Pageau brought so many of his ideas into a compelling concise presentation... Wonderful stuff.

@gregorywitcher5618

7 ай бұрын

These ideas are from his brother Matthieu Pageau. His book, The Language of Creation, is Jonathan’s well.

@lkwalden7

7 ай бұрын

@@gregorywitcher5618That is overly simplistic. He has mentioned many times he and his brother discussed these things growing up. It’s not like the book came first.

@gregorywitcher5618

7 ай бұрын

@@lkwalden7 Not according to Mattheiu…

@pogoratul

7 ай бұрын

@@gregorywitcher5618bro find something to do with your life other than commenting on everything that johnnathan does.

@jaysunrickards

7 ай бұрын

@@gregorywitcher5618 can you prove you are not a bot trying to sow seeds of discord?

One of the best Jonathan's speaches, if not THE best. Well done Jonathan! ❤

@sonicgems

7 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@businessdevil7094

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, but it's "speech".

Jonnie boy is getting more concise and compelling - mastering his ideas and the art of conveying thought. To see men grow is such a gift

@spherinder5793

7 ай бұрын

It's odd that you call a grown man with a beard Jonnie boy

@thiagonunes4294

7 ай бұрын

he is our jonnie boy

@zazhou

7 ай бұрын

Why is it that we, and I include myself, have a tendency to pat someone on the back and say well done, you did excellently, with the underlying premise that we have the skills and talent to do similar? I am making a general comment/observation/question and not directing any criticism towards the original commenter here.

@j.p.westwater2334

7 ай бұрын

​@@zazhouI think admiration involves a process of taking a part of the admired person into yourself. It's as much a participatory and reflective feeling as it is an external one. The negative manifestation might be a kind of condescension or over familiarity. The positive is probably quieter. What do you think?

@zazhou

7 ай бұрын

@@j.p.westwater2334 you sound quite learned and certainly wiser than me. I agree with your thoughts, if I understand them properly, and thanks for asking. I mostly find that these type of forums tend to become mere echo chambers(?).

Wow All our kids need to hear this speech

@sanpotkins4705

7 ай бұрын

Keep your kids out of politics

@mtpruden

7 ай бұрын

@@sanpotkins4705 this is about religion, not politics

@ognard

7 ай бұрын

​@sanpotkins4705 Keep your kids out of politics, kids are too young for that, but not too young to consent for genital mutilation. What a weird world.

@Seliz463

7 ай бұрын

@@sanpotkins4705it’s absurd that so many people think discussion about values is inherently political. When you take away metaphysics, all you’re left with is politics-a cheap, shallow, empty understanding of human beings. Why don’t YOU stop reducing everything to politics and try to expand your ability to grasp theological and philosophical concepts?

@thomashammer9641

7 ай бұрын

A family is applying it's governance to it's child. Politics is the science AND art of governance. So, "keeping your child out of politics"...a good example for the term "impossible". "Keeping one's child out of irresponsible politics"... a possible maxim.

This was the most succinct and powerful talk I've ever seen Jonathan give. Totally clear, massively impactful, and pulled no punches with respect to the Truth. Definitely the best talk of the conference so far.

@leonidfro8302

7 ай бұрын

Talk is cheap. Even most "powerful" talk won't turn on a single light bulb. "Massively impactful" is sledgehammer. Or General Relativity. Not this load of demagogy.

@jeffreykennedy5953

7 ай бұрын

@@leonidfro8302 I started making changes to my life about 4 years ago following ideas like what Jon presented here. It’s bearing fruit now. My wife, who always loved me now looks at me with such amazing love in her eyes. I’ve gotten closer with my kids. I’ve gotten further from people who aren’t good partners. And I’m running my business better than ever.

@AluminiumT6

7 ай бұрын

@@leonidfro8302 Funny, I thought by talking we could get others to do stuff, including changing lightbulbs. So weird that the great men of antiquity highly valued the skill of rhetoric as well. But Billy the simpleton on the YT comments says otherwise, so...

@leonidfro8302

7 ай бұрын

@@AluminiumT6 Oh, I'll explain you slowly. Even most great rhetoric won't help you to change a lightbulb if you have no idea how to do it. That's why I find "motivational" talk cheap - anyone can do it. You want massively impactful talk - listen to Feinman lectures.

@AluminiumT6

7 ай бұрын

@@leonidfro8302 I get that you're a fan of physics, Billy. That's ok, people have that phase. When you grow up, you'll realize there are things more important than that, that the grown-ups talk about.

Most important moment of ARC.

This was an incredible closing speech Jonathan Pageau gave at ARC and perhaps it should be heard by thousands more who are trying to make sense of these insane times. I now see why Jordan Peterson holds this man in such high esteem.

Finally, Jonathan came in with a breath of fresh air I thought I was going to suffocate.

@perperson199

7 ай бұрын

😂

@zazhou

7 ай бұрын

Try not to arc your breathing!

Merci monsieur Pageau!

One of the best short lectures I have listened to from Jonathan Pageau and, in my opinion, the best so far in Arc Forum. I wish he continued talking about this critical issue, and attempting to bridge materialism and theology.

@sampearson8651

7 ай бұрын

did you see the speech bishop robert barron gave yesterday? I thought he hit a real home run

@dewijlr

7 ай бұрын

Wonderful!

@iankclark

7 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking: people need help unpacking what he is talking about. Hopefully he will get more time in the future.

@perperson199

7 ай бұрын

ARC has been a mixed bag, certainly. At least he good speeches are actually very good

@caseyhart4406

7 ай бұрын

​@@perperson199I was so mentally invested in ARC I fell into the trap of being a little disappointed at some of the content of some of the speeches. I had to actually tell myself to take a step back and look at the event as a whole. Of course I am not going to agree with everything. But like I said I was so jazzed up going into it I was primed for some disappointment. It just occurred to me that one of Jonathan's short talks somewhere else was about disappointment. Wow, I really appreciate him.

Excellent! This speech requires significant meditation and deliberation. This is one of the most important speeches I have heard in my life. I hope many people will listen to it and wrestle with the ideas and challenges presented here.

Best speech so far. Truly the voice of reason in a time of insanity. Based Pageau!

The core of the conference

On fire Jonathan, may God continue to bless you and your family ❤

Excellent. He really found the right words to put it. So therefore: kudos from me, an old school atheist bewildered by what things some secular people chase after nowadays - not religious but fallen for a cheap and fast substitute. And like most fastfood, quite unhealthy, for the mind.

@mtlicq

7 ай бұрын

@Ardathair - Those are words of GOLD! _"fallen for a cheap and fast substitute."_

@redhead8777

7 ай бұрын

Amen to your observation!

@quantumpotential7639

2 ай бұрын

I just drove by a McDs, the masters at creating substitute food that imitates real food. The line for the drive through was around the block. People love ❤️ their cheap counterfeits. They need it. They want it. They crave it. They can NOT not have it. This is the reality. Now let us pray that the Supreme Good reigns down on all the French Fry eating masses who are married to the counterfeit reality. Thanks 😊

Very good idea to have Jonathan included in this. Hopefully, they stay on a good track… 🙏

@redhead8777

7 ай бұрын

Pray GOD'S WILL BE DONE THROUGH ARC ALWAYS IN JESUS NAME. Amen! THis was wow. Respect to our scientific friends b/c their power/gift of observation comes Directly from God himself (Bible). Time to stop worshipping the self (self idolizing/worshipping) and realize Who it is that equips you with your talent(s)! You should not be using gifts of God to try and disprove God - that is where they/we (imho) are going off the rails in All Institutions, and it is grave now (here) and eternally (there). Same to All Leaders of society/institutions Including those who profess Ordination. Time to get Humble again. Only a Total Fool would bet against This higher knowledge and The Word. Praying. Remember Love is the Greatest of these - and GOD IS LOVE.

This is wisdom

Thank you Jonathan Pagaeu for sharing In straightforward manner of the highest eternal truths from yes the Christian holy gospel, without using terminology that the secular world isn’t familiar with and so cannot relate. This is a must share far and wide.

A truly GOOD talk by Pageau! Just the right words with just the right tone to communicate just the right concepts at just the right level and intensity for this audience at this time. Jonathan, may the Holy Spirit continue to enlighten and inspire you! Καλό παράδεισο! ☦️

To have the ability to put this into words takes a stroke of genius. The most important and impressive talk I've heard in years.

This is by far one of the most powerful descriptions of good and God that has ever been spoken by man. 🙏

That's the thing about the two clubs here, secular belief and the religious. Good chance we all want the same thing in the end, and we just speak a different language and have different rituals about it. We need more people like JBP and Pageau who are bilingual, so to speak, and can help translate this humanity across both languages. Great uniters in a time of division. We can all have our own purpose within this, scientists studying the material world, and those who's efforts are on understanding ourselves. Let us continue to take time and stop to ask ourselves what progress is.

@caseyhart4406

7 ай бұрын

I am reminded by the Exodos seminars where they discussed the need for several layers of mediation, as in Moses and Aaron, needed to bridge the gap between the worldly and the Divine. One thing of note is that I became aware of and I am still trying to digest is, after reading 'The Master and his Emissary' by Iain McGilchrist, when he described in detail how up to about 2 or 300 hundred years ago there was no such thing as a secular world. So this is rather new and still hasn't been worked through.

@ProfesserLuigi

7 ай бұрын

Uncontrolled, directionless progress is the definition of cancer.

@Seliz463

7 ай бұрын

@@caseyhart4406yeah, the Protestant insistence that there is no need for any mediator between man and Christ is false. Then why do we need a Bible, or pastors, or seminaries, or all the millions of Protestant lay ministries and workshops and books? Christ did not come to abolish teachers or communicators. We absolutely need help from our fellow brothers and sisters to understand Scripture and doctrine, and we need a single authoritative body to keep the interpretations and teachings from going off the rails, and to provide good training to clergy. And that allows room for multiple layers of mediation to help people slowly grow towards increasing complexity

@caseyhart4406

7 ай бұрын

@@Seliz463 I very much agree. I also have started to realize that it is even worse than at first glance. It is not just human mediation that the Protestants rejected, it is also the physical mediation. The mediation of actual physical embodiment through increasingly complex ritual. The relationship with the Divine is not only between the ears but in the body as well and the loss of structured physical touch, smell, even taste in our worship creates an ever widening gap between us and God's creation around us. We are ever increasingly an island left to our own devices to relate to God's works and God himself. Pushing individualism over the edge into isolation. Nietzsche claimed that ultimately the reformation would result in each of us being their own individual Church. In which they would invent a god for themselves. It is so clearly playing out before us now.

@Seliz463

7 ай бұрын

@@caseyhart4406you nailed why the real presence of the Eucharist brought me to the Catholic Church. Because it is so logical-that’s what human beings need. We are composite creatures, material and spiritual. We need the mediation to be both of the body and of the soul. The Incarnation of Christ itself represent this. It took this stubborn, over educated atheist a lot of study to realize that the most elegant and coherent anthropology of the human person is perfectly captured in Catholic doctrine. Human beings have a basic and incontrovertible nature, needs, and set of operational parameters. And the perfect conditions include both spiritual and material nourishment both from the Word as well as from the Body of Christ. Protestant doctrine takes it all out in the name of “freedom.” But what you’re left with is nothing except your own will to power. Which is a spiral right into subjectivism, meaninglessness, futility, and despair.

I will listen to this again. Maybe several times. Lots here . Fundamental.

This is what needs to be told. ✝

Beautiful, needed to be said Jonathan. As God says to Daniel "I will make your name great." Not, "You will make your name great."

That was GOOD, Jonathan. 😉 Thank you.

Most important speech I have heard on what is going on in every metric of our existence. Home run Jonathan. I will save this to listen again and share with those I hope will listen.

@Shemale_Barbie

7 ай бұрын

No it’s really not. You’re just Christian or religious so you agree with him because you belief system match. The fact that it has been proven that existence and the universe is probabilistic refutes the idea of an intelligent design which implied predetermined and intentional creation by a creator. Even more, everything we have in our body right now is evolutionary and evolution is trial and error and took us millions of years of trial and error that is randomised to get exactly what we have today. Everything you just mentioned like function is already explained with the scientific theory of evolutionary which has more evidence and better reasoning than the philosophical theory of a creator. So it only makes sense for anyone with reason to believe a creator does not exist, at least based on currently what we are aware of. The TRUTH is, (as you guys love to self proclaim to be of truth so much) is that God only exists WITHIN your belief system. And your belief system isn’t a objective reality. It’s a subjective man made construct you perceive the real world as and project on the world such as when you try to tell others of different belief systems as yours to adhere to yours. In other words, no disrespect but you are delusional.

Man, that is an incredible speech. Amazing job Jonathan.

Seeing Jonathan talk makes me have great hope for the future. This man is an underappreciated Gem.

One of Jordan Pageau's greatest speeches! Thank yo Jordan! 🙏🏻💕✨

Bravo

Love Jonathan. Such a grounding man and a great contrast to Jordan. Interesting him speaking of 'care'. Heidegger speaks of this aspect of being which is similar to attention and perhaps love. Let's care for our highest values.

The "supreme good" is God because none are good, but Him.

Great speech

At the beginning, I really was not sure why Jonathan would join the ARC but this talk said it all. Wow! Thanks Jonathan!

Excellent!!!! Thank you

Been waiting for this one!

amazing summary of his main thoughts

Brilliant! Truth to power!

This is the kind of stuff we need.

Thank you for Jonathan Pageau and God Bless!

An amazing talk! I'm very proud of my friend, shining on the big stage. Yet, he makes time for the little guy. God bless, ARC.

A great warning about 'stuff'. Pageau is brilliant.

Johnathan is a brilliant man. God bless him.

I enjoy the wrecking ball and this speech, finally saying the unspoken word that must be spoken.

Some talks have you hanging on every word - this was one of them!

Man, our Jonathan has grown up in front of our own eyes. Am so proud of you, this speech is lovely.

great start to ARC..... Thankyou Jordan Peterson and all the others involved in bringing this alliance to the world. This (ARC) is what we desperately need. Genuine facts and leadership. Now it is up to us, the public, to do our part. Spread the word, help grow the "Alliance for Responsible Citizenship", and do YOUR part to help bring about a better more positive world for all of humanity. Put an end to the distopian vision offered by the elites of Davos and the WEF gang. Bring individual Freedom and responsibility back to the forefront of a free and prosperous society. Thankyou.

Wow. Brilliant. Sharing this with my family.

THANK YOU. THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS ARE LONG OVER DUE. WE must wake up. We must see with new eyes and good hearts. WE just understand ourselves more deeply and clearly.

Simply excellent!

Way to go Jonathan!!!

That blew my mind. I heard Pageau a few times before but this was special.

I’m glad to see how other commenters are cheering this call to higher good. There no way forward through stuff alone! Thank you Jonathan! The grail just moved down the field. 🎉

Great lecture

BEST speech of the conference hands down

All the minds blown and all the confused people set on a new journey after this talk

Brilliant!

Thank you Jonathan for the speech of reorientation so much needed . God bless!

Thank you for being a thoughtful and respectful bridge builder Jonathan.

“The kind of attention it will receive is indistinguishable from a god” Jonathan you have understood this beautifully and potently.. as ever. “To even posit other goods meant you had to be run out of the public space”. Yes- it’s all about what you worship. Thankyou for putting the Top at the top. Commandment number one. You’re such a blessing. Preach it brother! The language of heaven..- “The love that moves the sun and the stars.”s You remind me of the Pole who said that one day there will come a time when every poet needs to be a Saint. That time has come. We’re hearing it. We’ve prepared for it. Our Holy Hope is dawning like the daystar from on high if we keep looking up. Thankyou for having made it so beautifully clear.

From my perspective this is profound existential logic articulated beautifully.

Wow Jonathon! This was incredible!

What's beautiful is that Jonathan began by addressing the atheists of whom none self identified, but undoubtedly spoke to even the self-purported followers of religion reawakening us as we all need to from our idols and to the elusive good that transcends always. Truly a shamanic call 👏

@larryjake7783

7 ай бұрын

True true, and while my next words may come off as contentious, he also really was trying to make it clear without saying it so harshly, but still he said it nonetheless, Christ is that truth and Big G, GOD. Pageau isn't an ecumenist and he is very much and Orthodox Christian, the man spoke to believers and non believers alike very precisely.

Even more masterful than usual, monsieur Pageau. God bless you.

This is perhaps the best and most succinctly I’ve ever heard Pageau talk about the most important things. Absolutely awesome, Jonathan. Bravo. ❤

@logoimotions

7 ай бұрын

It was a wonderful building on the dialogues of the last years. So many phrases and ideas so familiar to TLC suddenly put in front of a reasonably influential group with no water poured in the wine

excellent connections here, well done Jonathan

Jonathan has a great way of turning people from the horizontal way of looking at the world and reality, and directing them to the vertical. Wherever we are at - look higher (and deeper).

Great speech Jonathan! This was a great organized and precise bow on top of his very deep and rich theology 🙏

Got me in 30 seconds, my absolute fave

Great speech.

What a speech!🫶🏼😮

@mtlicq

7 ай бұрын

🙂

thank you, Johnathan! Thank Our Lord for him❤

My man!

Excellent talk!

Well said.

Powerful talk. Loving JP's conference!

Fantastic speech Jonathan. Lyn

What a eloquent way to tackle this subject in a deft and concise way. Simply beautiful. Amen

Brilliant insights.

Great talk. I think Jonathan Pageau just turned me into an Omnist.

Magnificent!

Best one yet! Jonathan did an amazing job!

This was a shining moment for Mr Pageau

Marvelous speech my friends. Thank you.

Wow, John! You are really stepping up and delivering exceptional wisdom. Thank you!

A powerful speech, lighting up my brain. Thank you.

This is the most coherent and therefore compelling of Jonathan’s talks I’ve heard. This was great, thankyou Jonathan.

God bless you Jonathan and grant you many years, brother! That’s a vision that I can believe in for generations to come.

Thank you Jonathan: you powerfully reminded us that the world is not merely an assembly of matter, atoms, and impersonal forces, as postulated by Democritus. The more material goods we accumulate, the less contentment we seem to find. As humans, our nature is to partake in the divine goodness of God, which transcends all physical or fleshly desires that fail to quench our thirst for joy and purpose. Set your sights high, and then elevate them even beyond what is currently visible to your eyes.

@mtlicq

7 ай бұрын

Best comment!