It was great talking with you guys about Sega. Your knowledge and passion is every bit as strong as my own. I'll join up anytime you want to do it again.

@SEGAGuys

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, Mel … appreciate the kind words, mate. And absolutely, let’s do this again soon, it’s always great to catch up and chat SEGA. Speak soon. - James.

@samfrito

Ай бұрын

Amazing to hear you speak "live", Mel. You carry the name Sega Lord X so well, I appreciate your honesty and smarts to this day. You turned me on to the Sega Guys now. Thanks

Sega Lord X is an absolute legend.

@SEGAGuys

2 ай бұрын

He is indeed! And a good friend too, we’ve done several crossovers with him over on SHIRO’s Editors Corner if you haven’t checked those out yet. We’ll have him back on here again in the near future too.

This is a BIG crossover

This was up there for one of my favourite chats with you all - keep saying that a lot don’t I ❤

Great chat lads. That IGN no Sega list is shocking.

I’m 25 and can tell you that most young/younger than me people don’t know anything about Sega. They know sonic and nothing else. At least some people my age are still collecting sega games and hardware

@brianpbillingsley3687

2 ай бұрын

True. My kids' knowledge of Sega is Sonic and Streets of Rage. That's about it.

@Stubzgaming

9 күн бұрын

Well done mate 👏

Nice one guys, great seeing Mel on the channel. Great channel and a great guy.

Loved what he said about beating Phantasy Star IV and IGN. Man kept it real.

Two of my favorite class Sega content creators together under one roof; this was quite the treat. I really hope for more collaborations between you all in the future.

This is Awwsome!! 10 years ago, no one was talking about Sega Saturn on this level. I am happy that the console is getting all this attention and new content. The system with one of the best controllers ever, is finally getting its due.

@SEGAGuys

2 ай бұрын

Glad you’re enjoying it, mate! 😃

@CarlosElDiablo1774

2 ай бұрын

I was happy when Saturn was the black sheep, games were unsought and cheap. Sorry I did a rhyme, won't do it next time.

Nice to see you and Sega Lord X my fav Sega people on youtube joining forces very good!

even on a podcast mr. lord x sounds like he's giving us a presentation. he's got a great voice for this stuff.

Thank-you for this discussion. On point, gentlemen, 100% on point. I'm in my late 40's too and I miss that special 1986 to 1997 "Sega magic" that we all know and love. Greetings from Canada.

Been waiting ages for this collaboration. Cheers!

I believe I had Virtua Fighter 2, SEGA Touringcar, Sonic R and House of the Dead for Sega pc. Played the last two a lot. It made me choose House of the Dead 2 as one of my first Dreamcast games.

I remember my Windows 95/98/ME gaming years. They were just as difficult to get running back then as it is now, but I learned everything I know about PC and PC gaming starting on my Windows 95 IBM Aptiva

So for me I had one afternoon with the Dreamcast as I bought it brand new full price the day they announced Sega was existing the console market. When my dad came home he tried to make me take it back because he got a bulletin on his pager about it from the stock market feature he had. I didn't care it had the demo of Sonic Adventure 2 and that was literally the only game I cared about that year

Great listen guys, gonna have to check out some more of these chats as this was a lot of fun. It's great to see the Saturn get more attention and I agree that the homebrew coming out of this console is one that has me the most excited along with the 32x. Amazing that fans can get so much out of this old hardware and see some effects we were hoping to see back in the day come to life. Have a good one folks.

@SEGAGuys

2 ай бұрын

Cheers Joezep! We’ve been on SHIRO’s editors corner with Dave and Mel, so if you check out their page, you’ll find those on there. There’s also crossover chats with ourselves and SHIRO on our channel that have a similar depth of discussion to this one. Glad you enjoyed the show, thanks for watching!

Great seeing you guys chat together! Love it!

Great video lads! Your point about Sega failing to nurture their franchises across generations is spot on I think. Even compared with Nintendo, Sega made the hardest bit look easy - they spat out franchises in every genre that paired distinctive, enduring iconography with great gameplay like it was nothing. But instead of evolving them over years, and carrying them to successor platforms, they would launch a new console with new franchises. It's easy to imagine a world in 2024 where Shinobi is bigger than Devil May Cry, Shining Force is bigger than Fire Emblem, Ecco is synonymous with the underwater sub-genre, Virtua Fighter rules 3D fighting games, and so on. Sega not bringing their games forward with them leaves people with no frame of reference for interpreting their consoles.

Hey it's my birthday. What a wonderful gift to get to hear some of my favorite podcasters wax nostalgic about the good old days of video gaming, when we dreamed about tge 3D and realism that was to come. Before the dark times, before the PlayStation.

Man, I love SLX! Great vid! (also I subbed!)

@SEGAGuys

2 ай бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

The Dreamcast version of Soul Calibur was far better than the arcade original. Was a great fun podcast BTW 👍

The voice of SEGA Lord X is like therapie, I got into the Saturn because of him🔥

Yup Sega and Sammy are a different beast and we are all that is left of their legacy. In regards of Sega's legacy they have made re released and enhanced ports. Lets see if they can deliver a Saturn and Dreamcast Mini.

I'm 28 and grew up with playing the SNES long after it was obsolete and then the GameCube. It was in 8th grade when my friends started telling me about the Dreamcast and the Saturn, and I was a little shocked as I didn't even know there was a 4th contender for the GC/Xbox/PS2. I went to a used game store and bought a Dreamcast for $50 and Sonic Adventure. I played Sonic Adventure 2 on the GameCube and loved it, and was glad to play the first one. Loved it even more tbh and played it till 100% complete. From there I went offy friends recommendations and one by one, downloaded and burned Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, Space Channel 5...bought typing of the dead and a keyboard, and also bought Seaman and the microphone. That was a decent part of my 8th/9th grade experience in 08/09 playing the Dreamcast and learning about these fantastic games that were swept under the rug. I've gone backwards in time since and have come to love the Saturn.

@matthewhainer189

Ай бұрын

Im not really a contemporary of these old consoles and games, but they are part of my childhood and my current life as I go through this retro renaissance with the Saturn and Sega CD. I hope in time, more people will enjoy the games and the consoles of Sega.

100 best games ever list and not a single SEGA game in there?! That's blasphemy! Or only Sonic and Shenmue? Really?! What about Panzer Dragoon II (for me PDSaga will always be extra magical), Sega Rally, Streets of Rage 2, Shinobi, Virtua Fighter 2 (what? it doesn't have cinematics? I'm here to play), Phantasy Star Online or...Virtua Tennis? Yes, Virtua Tennis, I adore this game and it's so underrated and forgotten by SEGA. And how can someone forget SEGA at the arcades? They were BIG! Sega Lord X said everything about the legacy of SEGA. We, gamers...are their last legacy 😟

Nice collaboration

Great discussion guys. I'd add one part of their cosole legacy, at least in regards to the Dreamcast, is what impact/influence they had on their competition-specifically the original Xbox.

i actually only ever played Bug! on my neighbors windows 98 pc until recently when i got a saturn. due to how it was labeled on the box we called it Sega Bug.

The DC had so much untapped potential. It could have been the console of that generation with segas ips

@maroon9273

2 ай бұрын

If the saturn suceeded.

I feel like twin trigger buttons on controllers as Sega made mainstream on the Dreamcast controller might be Sega's most tangible legacy on gaming as a whole (if we're ignoring the games themselves). For racing games, if you're like me and don't have the room for a full wheel and pedal set up, triggers for acceleration and braking were a game changer over using face buttons, leaving the thumbs free to steer with the analogue sticks.

@sandman8920

2 ай бұрын

Also the Hall effect sticks that are becoming more common now

Man had so many 3dfx and even tnt2 cards that I tossed out back in the days.

Finally got through this it's a great one 😊 thanks james ,dan and sega lord x

Really good chat guys i enjoyed that. i love hearing from Mel, he always has good insight. But yeah good chat

We had a GameCube growing up I wanted sonic adventure but it didn’t get the best reviews so I didn’t get it. I played it a few years ago and it blew my mind and I was kicking myself as to why I didn’t play it sooner but I didn’t know any better so from that day on I’ve mostly ignored mainstream reviews because there’s always some kind of bias there or hidden agenda. I don’t know. Absolutely love sonic now. I prefer sonic to Mario now. Hate Mario wonder for example. Currently playing through the sonic advance games which I somehow missed growing up. I did have the rush games for ds though.

My 5 year old loves sonic. We play Sonic Mania regularly and have played some Sonic 1-3 on my phone and PC as well as Sonic Adventure 2 Battle mode and sega and sonic all star racing transformed. It's great that Sega has been releasing a lot of it's old content on PC but a huge disappointment that we don't see quality ports of Virtua Racing, Daytona and Sega Rally or many of their old library on modern systems with the exception of Virtua Racing on the switch. We need to see the outrun games brought to modern systems and Sega would do well to get more of their Arcade, Sega CD, 32X and Saturn games ported properly, possibly their Master System and Game Gear games too.

Sega Genesis is Sega best console how nobody can pick up on that!😢

Agreed about Virtua Fighter on the Saturn , just like Virtua Fighter 2 you actually don’t notice the graphics difference compared to the arcade games when they absolutely nail the mechanics so accurately to the arcade game, you could could get to a high level playing on the Saturn and instantly be great at the arcade game when you play that, that in my mind is what an “arcade perfect” port is

@SEGAGuys

2 ай бұрын

Spot on, Gary!

Crazy Taxi on the PS2 was a PC port from what I understand, which is what made me get the Dreamcast version... same with Virtua Cop, if it isn't from the Saturn or DC, I'd rather go direct to the source than a port of a port.

Recently became a paid member to the channel. Well done guys and thank you for the content

Sega Lord X and you guys talking anything to do about Sega I’m all in really enjoyed and great video boys

Sonic Adventure 2 got mediocre reviews on GameCube, but that port was way more successful than the Dreamcast version; it basically got a whole generation of Nintendo fans into Sonic. I think porting that was an overall good decision.

What about "GAME GEAR" CONSOLE "TYPE C?!" SHALL BE A "VERY BLUE DREAM"...

Its so true what Mel says about gaming media just isn't objective now. History is written by the "winners" as they say and Sega only won once in the US and that's where most of these gaming media businesses are from so that's where it seeps in. Dans also right. We planted our flag at the time and even though I had to deviate in the 32bit generation due to not being able to get a new console until the Saturn was dead in the West already, I was still a Sega fan and I wouldn't change my choice of getting a Megadrive, or starting out playing a Master System or enjoying those Dreamcast games when I was able to then getting my DC and Saturn a bit later. Great chat with the 3 of you as always.

"Find me something like Nights" ... I'm good dude. Nights blows ess.

We had virtua fighter virtua cop sega rally sonic R on pc and loved them. I think most sega games actually came with the pc some kind of bundle at the time. Interesting how you talk about graphics cards as i never bought one till i got cod 4 and it wouldn’t work on our new pc that’s when I found out about graphics cards and you had to keep upgrading them. So our old original pc must have had something decent in it when my parents bought it 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’ve been playing a lot of the original Xbox sega games lately. They are awesome but I think the problem with them is sonic. Most people heavily criticise sonic heroes shadow the hedgehog etc so dismiss the sega games of that time. How foolish. Some incredible exclusive games on the Xbox. And like you say outrun 2 does feel like the last real sega game. Only modern game that kinda feels old school sega is maybe super monkey ball. New one out soon.

Sega's console legacy will always be tied to Nintendo overall. Where Sega truly shined was (is?) the arcade and how they brought it home on their own systems.

@urbanmidnight1

2 ай бұрын

Absolue bloody nonesense! Any Sega fan agreeing with this shit isn't a fan.

I remember when the PlayStation 2 came out i was expecting it to blow the Dreamcast out the water, I waited… and i waited and waited for a game to look much better then Soul Calibur and it just never happened

@SEGAGuys

2 ай бұрын

Likewise, I’d got Soulcalibur on import but when I got my PS2 two weeks after launch, I would buy everything that came out hoping to see this power that Sony promised. I even bought The Bouncer! 😂🤦🏻‍♂️ PS2 eventually came good of course, Gran Turismo 3 and MGS2 finally showing what was under the hood, but those first 12/14 months were hard going.

Those missing ips from the genesis, master system and game gear were badly needed on the sega saturn. Sega kept cancelling games due to ego and not giving developers any resources. Sega need to leave sammy and rejuvenate the company back to its software glory days. So the company can gain respect. Upcoming sega next generation titles need to release. With more sonic mania, streets of rage 4, shenmue, yakuzo, valkerie chronicles, beyonetta like games using past ips (phantasy star abd ect).. Sega pc games were huge improvemrnt over the home ports. We can still play them till this day.

A 100 best games of all time list without one Sega game is automatically invalid.

The saturn was better than the N64 in everyway as far as i eas concerned.

I think SEGA changing it's key franchises was a mistake....but....I'm also glad that they evolved and tried different stuff. Nintendo's "good ol' Mario" philosiphy is boring AF. SEGA should have found a better balance though for sure.

@maroon9273

2 ай бұрын

Nintendo ips and sticked with them. That's why Nintendo is sucessful and still going strong due to creating spinoffs which turn into major ips especially the Mario universe.

@falksi3182

2 ай бұрын

@@maroon9273 The Simon Cowell of gaming. Soulless, boring, regurgitated dross for pre-teens. Successful but shit.

IGN's Top 100 are an utter joke. Not only do they disrespect SEGA, but their top 100's disrespect entire genres too. That Top 100 which SEGA Lord X talks about also has not ONE Beat Em Up, not ONE SHMUP, and very few arcade games on there, yet it's full of slow, overrated beginner games like Chrono Trigger and Earthbound. Like, the 80's were built on SHMUPS, BEUs and Arcade games! I mean, how on earth Afterburner 2 the full arcade cab doesn't get a spot is unreal. I've seen queues of people fighting to get a go on that cab, I've never seen that with bloody Earthbound lol. Seriously tell me that if someone put Donkey Kong (which is on the list) and Afterburner 2 full cab in front of you, you'd play Donkey Kong lol. Because I spent hundreds of hours in the Arcade (and still do), and no-one was fighting to play Donkey Kong. But Afterburner 2? Yep.

@heilong79

2 ай бұрын

Literally no one talked about earthbound until like 2004.

Biggest disasters in gaming are sega going bust and Microsoft buying rare. Industry has not been the same since.

@maroon9273

2 ай бұрын

Microsoft killed rare. I wish rare stayed with nintedo.

Great chat, but to much commercial between it.

@SEGAGuys

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the heads up, mate. KZread is far more automated when it comes to ads these days (you either tick on or off on a checkbox), but when I checked the settings it said it was adding an ad every 3/4 minutes … I was actually quite taken aback, so I’ve disabled the mid-roll ads. However, KZread still says it will add them at “natural breakpoints” in videos longer than 8 minutes, but it shouldn’t be quite so aggressive. Glad you enjoyed the chat nonetheless. Cheers.

One cool bit of news on the Saturn front is that it’s finally being brought over to FPGA on Mister so even more people will have access to the library and its logic is being preserved for the future. I’ve tried it and it’s pretty great.

"You can't talk about Sega without mentioning Nintendo" - "Sega are the company Nintendo beat" - I see Nintendo Lord X is on fine form bashing Sega and talking absolute shit as usual, You agreed with him becuase of his clout, shameful.

F%%k IGN!