Woah, never thought Every Nation would reach Ready To Harvest. Thank you for the informative video.

@xray342radio

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully the other groups involved with the Shepherding Movement (Great Commission/Reliant, International Churches of Christ) aren’t too far behind.

In the late 70s I was part of Maranatha Ministries at University of Tennessee at Martin. At first, I grew a lot in the knowledge and grace of the Lord, then the Shepherding Movement began to take over and we withdrew from the fellowship.

Wow! Extremely professional link index in comments and text and graphics in video.

It's so interesting that you brought them up because I first heard about them on my first day of university this september when I met them on campus and they invited me to several barbecues. I don't know about all churches but this one has a great community

I was part of their college campus ministry 2019-2021. In hindsight, it was naïve of me to join an organization without interrogating their beliefs, I thought non-denominational was good enough. What drew me to the campus ministry was its emphasis on evangelism (weekly cold approach evangelizing people on campus, offering rides to church, etc), and only months in was made aware of Every Nation's charismatic leanings, and with that falling into a few Prosperity Gospel traps.

@zeenkosis

Жыл бұрын

Same I joined on campus cause of the community

@user-eo7gl4yq2u

9 ай бұрын

​@rizzieannfelix9039 they endorse beliefs such as 'name and claim it' 'declare and decree.'

@nataliebogart1961

Ай бұрын

Just like any cult .... the promise of "community" is the product they sell. The "community" pays to attain this product through "involvement" or free labor. Other commenters on the matter have a great point that if you have no level of leadership or if you are the "bottom rung" you can attend and walk away probably unscathed by these people. I also, cannot understand why so many believers will attend a church and not look into the history and people who founded that church ect. After I realized I was raised in a cult, I realized so many of us have no clue about so much behind closed doors..... this is on purpose. N.A.R. people and theology are all linked publically and the "political drama" of very minor disagreements between the organizations that they display publically goes against the money that they clearly support one another in. Anyways...... Every Nation is connected to Ihopkc, morningstar, bethel and hillsong.

I love learning about different Christian churches Can’t wait till watch this after this morning Service

@varginabrown852

2 жыл бұрын

PROTESTant 🎃 churches are man made

@claryp1509

2 жыл бұрын

I too love learning about different denominations within the Christian religion. Personally, I’m conservative Baptist, but I’ve been to other denominations, which remind me why I’m still conservative Baptist by the grace of GOD. No denomination is perfect doctrinally. I must remind myself of this every day.

@varginabrown852

2 жыл бұрын

@@claryp1509 Jesus entrusted authority to the apostles and their successes. He told them whoever listens to them listens to Him (Luke 10:16) Whoever's sin they forgive are forgiven them (John 20:21-23) and WHATEVER they bind on earth is bound in heaven and WHATEVER they loose on earth is loosed in Heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19). Jesus built His Church upon Peter not John Smyth 1609AD (who founded the Baptist Church)

Very interesting. They have some Reformed and Charismatic ideas but also have Catholic tendencies like with lenting and its fasting requirements. Very interesting.

@metapolitikgedanken612

Жыл бұрын

"Special Rules" irritate me. But I recall that someone introduced fasting. I was however wondering is it what we eat that makes us unclean? Isn't it the other way round, like Jesus said?

@edizonjunior

Жыл бұрын

Fasting is not a requirement for salvation or even required for the members of the church. There is however a bi-annual prayer and fasting as a church that its member can voluntarily join.

@naugladur8534

4 ай бұрын

What’s wrong with catholics

I go to one of these churches and love it!

@Jesusbride515

Жыл бұрын

Hi there! Do you guys allow or include spontaneous worship? Like, do you guys have tongues during your services? Thanks! I love that kind of stuff!

@georgeramos3437

Жыл бұрын

They frequently speak tongues. Idk about the rest.

@nataliebogart1961

Ай бұрын

Every Natuon categorizes itself as a "conservative charasmatic" organization. Speaking in tongues is done, but, conservatively. At my church growing up we had "engage the spirit" worship services once a month where one might see some one rolling in an isle ....slaying in the spirit and running around wasn't the norm .... prophesying or praying for people and crying was more widely practiced at these services. The rest of the month would be norm core services where they rebranded dominionism into business casual christianese for the normies

@riahsrabbitry9268

Ай бұрын

@@nataliebogart1961 I guess the one I go to is an odd ball, I almost never see hyper charismatic stuff even at engage the spirit. Crying, and laying hands in a group prayer is about it. I heard some people have the gift of tongues, but I’ve never seen it. Been going there 3 years now.

@nataliebogart1961

Ай бұрын

@@riahsrabbitry9268 Every Nation is an organization of over 500 churches, each with varying levels of what works for each congregation. I was born into the organization and know the founding members personally. ❤️

I used to attend His People Church in South Africa which is part of Every Nation.

@nataliebogart1961

Ай бұрын

I was a "missionary" through T.I.C.s in potch and my family has been friends with the webs in Joburg for my whole life ..... they are the ones who started the orphanages there

Do a video on the potter's house also known as Christian fellowship ministries or the door.

Some of what was presented was representative of certain local churches and not representative of the whole movement, e.g. confessions, soul ties, etc. The same with the view of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, there are Every Nation churches that see this as concurrent with salvation.

Thank you! All of my suspicions regarding this organization have now been clarified and confirmed

@RonJohn63

2 жыл бұрын

Suspicions?

@zeenkosis

Жыл бұрын

They are actually awesome people and the church is really focused on discipleship

@vladimircsantos

Жыл бұрын

Hi. I was just curious about what suspicions you had that you believe were confirmed in this video?

@SSTM247

6 ай бұрын

Water baptism is my first thought...baptism in the holy spirit is what is written...

Please do the christadelphians!!!!!!

When I attended these churches as a kid, they had an entirely different doctrine; goes to show what churches will say just to survive.

Was a former member of this church. Interested for the resource and to learn more about the church's polity. Can the term "apostolic" also refer to the bishops present in the churches? Thanks Sir for your labours! They are not in vain!

@thetraditionalist

2 жыл бұрын

what are you now?

@jethrojamesachivida4083

2 жыл бұрын

​@@thetraditionalist Our church itself is non-denominational but I tend to lean on the Reformed Baptist side.

@thetraditionalist

2 жыл бұрын

@@jethrojamesachivida4083 ok

Can you do one on the NIFB. New independent fundamental baptist?

Every Nation is a pretty interesting ministry/megachurch. The local churches would differ on the spectrum of charismatic churches (but all believe spiritual gifts are still for today).

I have been to several Every Nation Churches in South Africa, Florida and Chantilly, VA. Its one of the few churches who believe in the active power of the Holy Spirit available to all believers and who lovingly engage community through coupled service and sharing the Gospel. God has ALWAYS got an agenda, so does this church... fish for men and women (evangelism), walking with any open and willing heart to become fully devoted disciples of Jesus( discipleship). One of their main focus areas are campus ministry. I am amazed also that some how Every Nation has been able to maintain its local and global sense of "family" even as the church grows and multiplies. They teach the truth about Biblical tithing and giving, so that God's blessings may be personally experienced. They are certainly no advocate for religious acts of service and obedience.

@metapolitikgedanken612

Жыл бұрын

I knew the South African branch, when it still was known as "His People". Mixed experiences there. There was a scandal with the leader/founder "Paul Daniels", which was handled strangely. I noticed levels of irritation with the Youth Pastor, which I could not explain first. So while the members were willing, there were issues. Thinking back, I noticed that the Gospel was never discussed in detail, it simply was assumed that those attending were already Christians (which nominally was true, but some people just 'grew up in a church' "baptized" into it as babies, which isn't the real deal.)

@filledemusique-18

2 ай бұрын

You need to tithe to be blessed?

@Monica_29

2 ай бұрын

@filledemusique-18 You will always experience God’s blessings when you are obedient to His Word and the convictions of your heart. Don't tithe with a religious heart, nor to receive anything back from God. That wouldn't be called a "blessing" then. And we wouldn't be giving with the right heart. We are obedient out of love for Him and gratitude for what he's done, considering and accepting the possible consequences and "sacrifices" of what it means to walk in His Lordship. Blessings are the unexpected favor and goodness of God over and above what He's already done for us on the cross. That can come in thousands of ways...

@nataliebogart1961

Ай бұрын

Classic EN and His People integralism ..... from the pulpit every Sunday ..... " We don't believe we are better THAN..... just Better OFF....." "Other churches and believers are lukewarm ..... they don't get it.... we are transformed through discipleship and sacrificing the flesh through authoritarian hierarchy and that makes us on fire" When churches speak ill of other christian's and churches constantly to puff up the "godliness" of their own ...... it's sus. Also, i find it so interesting that no one in the comment section has realized that EN is in fact on the cult registry for the u.s. 🤷🏽‍♀️

"Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away." [1 Cor. 13:8, ESV

@jackemmakem

2 жыл бұрын

Im not christian and im only playing devil's advocate so take this with a grain of salt. The passage you referenced doesn't say *when* tounges will end just that they'll end. It could be interpreted by charismatics that they'll end when Jesus returns. Also tongues doesn't exclusively mean speaking in tongues and could mean languages going extinct (such as ancient Egyptian and ancient hebrew). This could be backed up by the next statement about knowledge passing as knowledge is something that can be easily forgotten (ie passed)

@rev.stephena.cakouros948

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackemmakem Greetings, Please read the passage. Love is permanent. Tongues are not permanent. Immediate revelation or knowledge of that kind is not permanent. The canon of scripture was completed. Montanism and Gnosticism is divisive heresy. As I read the passage in the context of history tongues did pass away. What we now have is an imitation. Tongues is not gibberish it is language. What we now have is not language and what follows is just exhortation masquerading as interpretation. Fact is tongues, the real McCoy fell away from the primitive church. .

@rev.stephena.cakouros948

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackemmakem Please read the passage. Love is permanent. Tongues are not permanent. Immediate revelation or knowledge of that kind is not permanent. The canon of scripture was completed. Montanism and Gnosticism is divisive heresy. As I read the passage in the context of history tongues did pass away. What we now have is an imitation. Tongues is not gibberish it is language. What we now have is not language and what follows is just exhortation masquerading as interpretation. Fact is tongues, the real McCoy fell away from the primitive church.

@joefrescoln

2 жыл бұрын

@@rev.stephena.cakouros948 By saying "tongues did pass away" do you mean it doesn't happen any more, or do you mean it's not normative anymore? I've heard many events (especially) in missionary contexts where folks "hearing their own language" happens when sharing the gospel. Scripture doesn't say tongues "did" pass away, therefore it is not technically "scriptural" that it has ceased. Although one could better make a case that it is currently "passing away". It's hubris to claim one has the knowledge that "it has now completely ceased", unless one happens to be the pope, I suppose. 😉

@rev.stephena.cakouros948

2 жыл бұрын

@@joefrescoln No need to offend people. I was just quoting what Paul said and I was referencing history as it has come down to us. Accusing me of hubris or acting like the Pope demonstrates that Charismatics like you talk about gifts but lack the love of the Spirit. There is a reason why Paul talked of love in 1 Corinthians 13; he was dealing with Charismatics. I suggest you read the letter of Clement to the Corinthian Church. Clement shows that Charismatics are the people with hubris.

I grew up knowing these three men and their families personally. My family was second tier in leadership in several of the churches who held important positions in this organization. They are a very slippery slimey group of people and their claims of leaving the authoritarian leadership behind is a business move and not the truth. I was pushed towards an arranged marriage, a practice that was a big part of maranatha campus outreaches, i was best friends with caitlin brunel whose family was used to help fund the church in florida, and i have had many friends commit suicide from the isolation and public shame the entire "community" upholds as deserving punishment for anyone who has "fallen out of grace" with the "apostolic leaders" these leaders have been found guilty of adultry, money laundering, and spiritual abuse and yet have shown zero remorse or repentance whatsoever. The women thing..... not the norm let me tell you .... that has actually been a massive issue for entirety of my life within the organization. My mom was on staff for almost twenty years as a childrens pastor and under Russ Austin's leadership, she was not welcome to sit at the same table as the men in meetings, she and any other women were given chairs in the back, and she was NEVER referred to as Pastor ..... even though she had the full credentials and experience necessary .... You can barely find any information about this organization and that is due to the massive financial success of the individuals perpetuation this pyramid scheme disguised as a ministry. Just look into the tax issue these very same men have been desperately avoiding since the beginning of their church. Genius businessmen if you ask me! Brilliant in combining the supposed freedom of charismatic movements while maintaining the strict hierarchy of apostolic leadership ..... truly evil genius but credit where credits is due. Thank you to the creator for this video ....

@dayair1

Жыл бұрын

Hello Natalie: I sincerely hope you are wrong, as I find their theology really solid. I never heard of this church until I listened to this video just now. But it is clear you have some strong negative opinions towards them. And because of your experience with them, did that influence your opinion on Christianity in general? Unfortunately people and entire churches can stray from Christ teaching as we all know. I myself had a very negative experience as a young Christian, but I told the Lord then I did not, and would not ever blame him for man’s flaws. But I did stop going to “church” for decades until just a few years ago. Thank you for sharing Natalie.

@metapolitikgedanken612

Жыл бұрын

I recall "His people" - those with it changed their name after a scandal there. While they were a friendly lot, I found some things odd, although I didn't give that too much attention first. I didn't find them 'authoritarian' although I recall some people getting pushing there at times (had reason, though). But there was something manipulative present. Something that prevented feedback, when error may have been detected. This seems to be a problem with many churches. My impression was that this became something like a 'business model' providing income for leadership and staff, while milking the flock. Looking back... I can't recall them explaining the gospel thoroughly (or how they understood it).

@BlakemanTribe

Жыл бұрын

Very thankful for Ready to Harvest and Natalie for their very keen insights. Trying to understand the motor underneath all the acceptable furnishings is really what I've been trying to understand about EN network. It aligns with a lot of what my impressions have been. At the low or no tier of leadership you will most likely come away unscathed. However, as you venture nearer towards being "involved" or wanting to serve in any capacity, the Maranatha vibe of expectations is still very much present. Thank you again, very informative to know both the roots of solid theology (as mentioned elsewhere) as well as the tares that grow up alongside it. Makes for a lot less crazy making, and allows for better discernment for me and my family. I know the Kingdom of God will never be enclosed into a single community, but at least knowing when my "yes" or "no" does not have to be accompanied by shame, guilt, and condemnation when we don't measure up to the "local" expression/expectations of an EN church that has the liberty to have them according to the overall network guidelines. C'est la vi

@kelly4421

10 ай бұрын

I went to an Every Nation church from 2000-2007. I agree with everything you said. They ruined my life. Telling me who I could and could not date. They are evil in disguise.

@shadysteve374

10 ай бұрын

Please report these people if you haven’t already. ( I don’t know where you would report them, but def look into doing it)

I am grateful for your work to provide insight into the multitude of Christian "churches". I wonder how it is that you keep your sanity? It is logically impossible for all these "churches" to be professing Truth. Objectively speaking, I cannot imagine such diversity in the year 50 A.D. or even 100 A.D. It's difficult enough to live out the Faith let alone having to decipher what the Faith is.

@GWEBrasil15

2 жыл бұрын

Already there was problems even at that time, gnosticism and many other beliefs would enter into peoples minds. The disciples travelled very far so i would be normal for those far away places to adopt gradually differente beliefs (Example: orthodox church and catholic church).

@acekoala457

2 жыл бұрын

@@GWEBrasil15 distance doesn't differentiate belief. Russia is just as distant to Jerusalem as Rome is and they maintain the Faith Preached by the Apostles. Britain was Orthodox until 1066 when the Norman Yoke was put upon them. Norway was Orthodox until the death of Harald Harada. He was even rebuked by the Pope for following the Eastern Liturgy instead of the Roman one. Changes in belief come from mass delusions put upon people by the devil. The Reformation did nothing. Most of Europe is lacking Christ.

@Phill0old

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly the Orthodox went just as far away from truth as the Roman Catholics.

@Phill0old

2 жыл бұрын

How bonkers is that! Baptism, the sign of entry in to the church is only for believers but communion, the very thing that fills are warned about doing in an unworthy manner (that is without due faith and regard) is offered to the unsaved who have neither faith or proper relationship to it. Charismatics, theology like Swiss cheese.

@acekoala457

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phill0old Orthodoxy is the Church Christ Founded, the Apostles Preached and the Fathers continue to Keep. If Orthodoxy fell away that means Christ lied when he said the "Gates of Hell will NEVER Prevail against His Church"

My family and I attend Victory church sometimes here in Manila

10:40 But we *can* (and do) "understand where the wind comes from (and) where it goes." (Edited for spelling.)

@Phill0old

2 жыл бұрын

Rofl No, you don't. Tell me when and where the wind currently blowing outside my window right now began. You can't even begin to answer that question. These things are way more complex than you imagine. Being able to broad brush a thing isn't understanding it. If it is then I understand Quantum Theory and Quantum Gravitation. Of course I don't understand either but I can tell you some things about them.

@RonJohn63

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phill0old the quote is *"UNDERSTAND* where", not "have detailed and precise knowledge of every puff of wind".

@Phill0old

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonJohn63 I think you need to understand what is being spoken of, the word understand doesn't mean what you seem to think it does. If I say I understand QM do you think I know a little or a great deal about it?

@RonJohn63

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phill0old we understand why wind blows. Please tell me you're not so ignorant as to know that.

@Phill0old

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonJohn63 I know some stuff about QM. I don't understand QM. My father understood internal combustion engines and could fix them. I know some stuff about engines, if I claimed to understand them I worked be exaggerating. It isn't about what we know but about what you know. I asked a specific question and you couldn't answer it. You are claiming understanding that you don't have. You are equivocating.

There is an "All Nations" church near where I live. Is this the same church?

@ReadyToHarvest

2 жыл бұрын

Probably not. "All nations" is not a denomination name, so much as a common church title for a multi-ethnic focused congregation.

@jamest4659

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest Thank you. I enjoy your videos.

@daynehaworth9258

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest All Nations is a denomination run by Floyd McClung (books written- Father Heart of God). Also All Nations runs a mission organisation but can't remember the name...

@ReadyToHarvest

2 жыл бұрын

@@daynehaworth9258 That's a good call Dayne. Learning something new every day.

Sounds like every single denomination. Different page strokes but of the same voice of flesh. All doctrine and no meat.

Connected to NAR? Is Bethel church part of this movement?

@daynehaworth9258

Жыл бұрын

No they aren't

@user-eo7gl4yq2u

9 ай бұрын

​@@daynehaworth9258they are actually NAR. They have invited C Peter Wagner to speak at their theological seminary and they have an unbiblical practice of signs, wonders, leadership and the prophetic. I've been part of this organization for 13years. It's very destructive.

@kenson-real6280

9 ай бұрын

They are part of assemblies of God church

@user-eo7gl4yq2u

6 ай бұрын

It is a NAR. C Peter Wagner added Rice Brooks (former EN president) as an editor for his book "New Apostolic Churches." Brooks laid the Blue print of Every Nation under its former name Morning Star. The book is central to C Peter Wagner's development of the NAR.

@nataliebogart1961

Ай бұрын

NAR cannot be pinned down by who claims to be apart of it. It is defined by association, money and speaking deals, joined conferences (money) and books on theology .... who defends who, who speaks at each others churches or conferences? and one the the most telling is who has BEEN connected since before Maranatha?

Wonderful effort and the result of the host's diligence and praiseworthy research (not that I agree with him on some of his videos). I would not join the described church. A mature Christianity places scripture in the historical context in which it was written, in very different eras and influences. It is NOT a history book, but a book of teaching Godly wisdom and direction toward the divine and salvation. Thus, there are passages which are allegorical, and certainly not literal. Jesus himself spoke in parables. Those churches which have maintained an historic teaching authority through the ordained office of bishop can discern that which is authoritative and that which is allegorical.

It’s so eerie I was part of this church in South Africa. Lovely people. I joined when it was still called his people. Had no idea wow. Mostly loved the people but at times I felt like I wasn’t spiritual enough or doubted my experience s. I feel like a fish that just discovered it’s swimming in water

@_Palesa_M

Жыл бұрын

Which one specifically? I wanna try it out.

they sound just like catholics during the early church .Trying to answer questions about God without asking God for His input as if God stopped speaking to men .

@filledemusique-18

2 ай бұрын

Thr roman catholic church was started under pope gregory the first in 590 CE

@edwardhill7045

2 ай бұрын

@@filledemusique-18 so what for the Christian church was started in Jerusalem by Jesus Christ five hundred years before that pope was born. The real Christian church did not come out of the Roman Catholic church. Christ's church was never a part of the Roman Catholic church

Very interesting. This seems to be the only denomination where I agree with every thing they teach with only one exception: ordination of women. But apart from that, I'm surprised at how solid they are

Man am I glad I'm a cessationist!

@SiceloKhumalo-mx9fi

Жыл бұрын

That's an atheist

I saw as Pentecostal preacher pray in tongues on TV one time. I understood the language he was speaking. He was saying "Glory be to Satan"in Arabic.

@josephengel2091

2 жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️😅

@nintendonut100

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not surprised. If one opens oneself up to spiritual influences, then one opens themselves up to being influenced by evil spirits as well, that's why Paul says to test every spirit.

@abaddon2148

Жыл бұрын

aint no way robert waguespack knows arabic😭😭💀

They are false teachings