All spiritual calisthenics and suppositions aside: YOU, sir, obviously do a massive amount of research when gathering facts and points for your presentations. I can only imagine the herculean effort (and countless hours) you go through to produce each one of these videos! Hat's off to you! Thank you! God bless.

@jerrywhitler3569

Жыл бұрын

You oneness people are evil wicked liars and idiot hypocrites

@elmerfudd1883

Жыл бұрын

@@jerrywhitler3569 - Hello Jerry. I am definitely not a 'Oneness' person. I solidly believe in the Holy Trinity: God the Father, (who gave the most precious thing he had: HIS ONLY SON, to redeem mankind): God the Son, (who willingly laid down his life to save us sinners): and God, the Holy Spirit, the Comforter who Jesus sent to abide in us forever the minute we become born again. As Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17: 21: "Let them be ONE even a WE are ONE". That said, my hat is still off to the 'Ready to Harvest' guy for the enormous amount of legwork he does to produce his videos. Great job, Mister Harvest!! May God bless you mightily!

@metapolitikgedanken612

Жыл бұрын

It seems also that they try to micromanage their adherents, which I find concerning.

@maryhelencampos9964

Жыл бұрын

My Father And I Are One/You see Me you see The Father (Oneness) (In Unity) /1John 5:7 :There’s 3 that bears record (Witness) In Heaven ( Trinity)❤

@FatLittleOldLady

11 ай бұрын

Amen!

As a Oneness Pentecostal who has grown up in the UPCI, attended Indiana Bible College 2 years and is currently a Youth Pastor in a UPCI Church as well as other ministry roles I think this was the best and most accurate description of Oneness Pentecostalism from a non-Oneness person I have ever heard. Thank you for just stating information rather than bashing our beliefs without understanding them like most people do. You actually quoted from people I have literally been taught by, from books I own and from people I have been in the same rooms with. I would say one thing- we have shifted through the years on TV & sports. Many UPCI churches are much more relaxed on those issues. Other than that, I think you are up to date and did a good job.

@joshuapearson9950

Жыл бұрын

I would say the ALJC also is very similar to us. The PAW deserves more attention as well- they are the oldest Oneness Pentecostal organization. They have changed in regards to certain things over time, but still hold to the Oneness. The WPF is another growing Oneness fellowship.

@jch77

Жыл бұрын

have you heard of Evangel Life Ministries/Homestead Heritage?

@joshuapearson9950

Жыл бұрын

@@jch77 I can’t say that I have

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

I'm a church attender in UPCI in central valley town of Delhi CA it's friendly we have white people and Mexicans Americans and Chicanos hoping we get some black saints or black people as well as Asian God's church should have people of Color God bless all saints I'm just a layman I've never been ordained yet but I love the lord

@theodoreritola7641

Жыл бұрын

How come the Lord Jesus said You can blaspheme the FATHER AND SON But if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit You can never before given ,

As someone who has seriously looked into Oneness Pentecostalism and at one point been heavily influenced by their theology, I must say this is a very well researched video that covers everything important. Good job

@Joao-ty4nq

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mind sharing why you stopped looking into it? Also, what do you believe today?

@MrDoctorSchultz

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joao-ty4nq I was with a girl who was Oneness Pentecostal- she had introduced me to it, and after looking in to it I became convinced that it was the correct view. About 6 months ago we broke up, and as I've been growing more and more interested in theology, I decided to take a step back and start comparing the claims of Protestantism, Roman Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy. Now to seriously consider every other denomination besides Oneness Pentecostalism I have to give serious consideration to the doctrine of the trinity, and at this point I honestly couldn't tell you what I think. I think David Bernard argues convincingly that the oneness view is correct, however at the same time it seems to me that it could be argued that if the first 7 ecumenical councils were guided by the holy spirit and thus correct in what they declare, then the doctrine of the trinity follows necessarily. The trinity is the main detail that I am hung up on the most. Second to that would be the doctrine of absolute divine simplicity, which Catholics defend and at one point I also thought was correct, however I need to look in to objections to it brought up by Eastern Orthodox theologians. It doesn't help that I am busy with other things and it takes me forever to do any sort of research on these topics, so I have essentially been in denomination limbo for months and will probably continue to be for a while.

@theunknownone2189

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrDoctorSchultz hey man, I've been where you are. I strongly suggest you look at church history and look up what the ancient Christians believed. The UPCI or other oneness believers will point to what the Jews believed. I don't need to repeat that part. I also strongly suggest that you look into the Greek old testament because it is very different than the Masoretic texts. I'm still doing research myself. I was in oneness for nine years. There were things I liked and things I hated. The number one thing I hated was the lack of grace when you messed up in any kind of way. Part of me would love to go back, but at the same time, I know way too much church history to go back to that view only. It would literally have to be a big revelation that oneness was correct to make me forget all of what I've learned and go back to that view. Anyways, do your research, visit other churches, and be open minded.

@MrDoctorSchultz

2 жыл бұрын

@@theunknownone2189 Thank you Leslie, your comment means more than you could think

@christianwalton7080

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing brother. I suggest you look up the word "echad" and it's use in the "Shema" in Deuteronomy (as opposed to "yachid") for a good understanding of how the Trinity maintains God's oneness whilst also honoring the distinct persons of the Father, Son, and Spirit. I'll try to link a paper I wrote on it for a class when I'm off work. God bless friend!

I keep forgetting you're uploading more than once a week this month then suddenly i see a new video lol. Thanks for the early Christmas Joshua!

@ReadyToHarvest

2 жыл бұрын

Hope you can keep up!

@jackemmakem

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest i try! Lol

Joshua, you've done a lot of work. Thank you. Now I need to take a shower.

I noticed that first Corinthians 14:1 was misquoted by the upci. Paul did not encourage the church to specifically pursue tongues, but rather to prophesy. I also noticed that at UPC churches everyone speaks in tongues at the same time, but Paul also talked against this. The veil is definitely being lifted from my eyes, as I was part of the UPC Church for 12 years

@kristy3380

Жыл бұрын

I noticed the same things, glad I'm not the only one, lol.

@kylesamples8332

Жыл бұрын

You need to come back to the Apostolic truth. No veil is being lifted from your eyes, only one is being placed on them. You probably done heard some cringe Trinitarian KZreadr “debunking” Pentecostalism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. We see very clearly that Paul was referring to the spiritual gift of Tongues and interpretation, which is described in 1 Corinthians 14:2 “For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.” ‭‭We see clearly, that this says NO MAN UNDERSTANDS him. So Paul describes this gift as being a tongue no man understands… this is very different than what happens on the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts 2:1-6 KJV And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. WE SEE CLEARLY, The tongues they were speaking on the day of Pentecost? EVERY MAN HEARD THEM SPEAK IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE. Summary: 1) You Aren’t “having some unveiling of truth take place,” you’re rebelling against the true church of God. 2) The gift of tongues and interpretation- UNKNOWN TO MAN, NO MAN UNDERSTANDS. Baptismal tongues that occur at baptism of the Holy Ghost- EVERYONE HEARD IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. We see that they are two different things. One is one of the 9 gifts of the Holy Ghost, the other is the accompanying sign that someone HAS received the Holy Ghost. If you ever did receive this sign, I pray God has mercy on you and that you come back to the truth. If you spoke in tongues, hopefully you haven’t grieved the spirit too much, listen to him and come back, in Jesus name.

@AllThingsNew1723

Жыл бұрын

@@kylesamples8332 I’m not denying tongues…and I know the verses, I was part of UPC for 12 years…but what they never preached was 1 Cor. 14:23-33…it’s a legalistic “organization”….cherry picking verses and making up their own doctrine to keep people bound…I’m free now…not living in sin as they may think…loving Jesus more than I ever did…actually reading my Bible and not just UPC books about their doctrine. The veil definitely been lifted…and God showed me the truth, not some “Trinitarian youtuber “…sorry you’re still bound 🙏

@kylesamples8332

Жыл бұрын

@@AllThingsNew1723 I am not bound to anything, you’re really misunderstanding Paul’s writing here. It’s not uncommon, even Peter himself said in 2 Peter 3:15-16 that Paul’s teachings are hard to understand. I just read the passage you referred to. Please note that verse 23 is talking about the gift of tongues. How do I know this? Because Paul is addressing the spiritual gift of tongues a majority of this entire chapter, even at the very beginning. Well how can I decipher verse 23 was specifically referring to the gift, because in verse 24 he mentions prophesy again (another spiritual gift) please note in my last comment I shown you the difference between the gift of tongues and what occurred on the day of Pentecost. Paul does not forbid anyone from speaking in tongues… you missed his entire point. Read verse 39, and 40. He was simply trying to create order for the early church on how to operate. If their is an assembly gathered, and let’s say there happens to be NO visitor is it wrong for everyone to begin to speak in tongues? Of course not, that wouldn’t even be addressed by verse 23 because your whole point was people from the outside looking in and calling us crazy, well if there is no outsiders in the service, then who will be stumbled? No one. Okay let’s look at another example, UPC and other Apostolic churches have many youth rallies and conferences. In these conferences you’re usually only having spirit filled believers, if there may be some who aren’t, they already understand what it is and they desire to have it. If they decide to start speaking in tongues there’s again nothing wrong. You completely misunderstand Paul, because he’s talking about disorder, a church that can’t even function or move in any progress. This would be like a church that could never dismiss, or never get everyone to settle down for worship, and just a mess. I’ve NEVER been to a disfunctional apostolic church. Even when we are all speaking in tongues, if there comes a tongue and interpretation, EVERY TIME without Fail every one gets quiet. And one interprets, how does this happen? Because we ARE following the spirit. If you are actually humble and willing, contact me on discord if you have it krosministries#7535 if you do, I can get you back on the right path. Stop listening to all this garbage and come back to truth, in Jesus name.

@willgold9705

Жыл бұрын

@@kylesamples8332 What makes Upci any more authoritative than any other of seemingly countless groups that claim exclusivity of truth. It just comes down to true interpretation of the Bible as led by the Holy Spirit. A general reading of scripture indicates Christ is Lord, follow him. Obviously there is more to say about conversion. But Upci adds a bunch of useless half truths and reading into scripture it's own tradition.

Awesome I've been waiting for this one!

One of my good friends goes to a UPCI church, and she & her family have invited me to go with them to the UPCI's General Conference this year; I am EXTREMELY EXCITED 💚👍😁!!!

@wjdyr6261

8 ай бұрын

​@@Robert-55name 1 baptism in the NT where they quoted Matt 28:19?

@mikef6063

7 ай бұрын

@@Robert-55 It seems you missed the point of the argument. Jesus commanded baptism and the church practiced it. The question is, in what name are we to be baptized? The commenter's argument implies that only in Jesus's name does the New Testament record any actual baptism being performed. Therefore, the early apostles rightly interpreted Jesus's Matthew 28:19 command by doing so. Either the apostles were wrong or the Trinitarians are.

I really like this channel. Thanks for making these videos

@ReadyToHarvest

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael!

In all the videos I have now watched, you have always been thorough, truthful, and without bias. Thank you.

Big thumbs up, Joshua! Another great video! 👍

Professional as always, Joshua. I appreciate it! I’m grateful to be a minister associated with the UPCI.

@mynameis......23

6 ай бұрын

God the Father is not God Jesus & Trinity in Old Testament. (Oneness pentecostal) (( Trinity in Old and New Testament Isaiah 48:12,13,16 12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. 16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.” ( Notice verses 12 says I am the First and I am the Last meaning in verses 12 God is speaking, in 16 God said He was there from beginning and The Lord God And His Spirit have sent Me. Brothers there is the Trinity Father, ,Son, Holy Spirit in Old Testament). Btw the First and Last is Lord Jesus Christ because He called Himself The First and The Last in Revelation 22:13, 1:17-18. Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (Trinity in New Testament )) - John 17 Lord Jesus prayed to God the Father. - John 1 says 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. (Notice how verse says the Word was with God and the Word was God as well. Jesus is Word John 1:14. So Lord Jesus was in the beginning with God the Father). Lord JESUS CHRIST is sitting at Right Hand of GOD THE FATHER (Mark 16:19, Romans 8:34, Hebrew 1:3, 1 Peter 3:22, Lord Jesus Himself said that Luke 22:69) John 20:28 "Thomas answered and said to Jesus, "my Lord and my God". In John 20:17 Lord Jesus said "I'm going to your Father and My Father" notice two persons. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His Only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ( Notice God gave His Only Son, two persons). God The Father is the Head of God The Son Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is the Head of man 1 Corinthians 11:3 .( Notice again God The Father is not God The Son) Matthew 26:63-64, Luke 22:27 Lord Jesus said He is the Son of God. ( Two persons) Matthew 16:15-17 Peter's confession that Lord Jesus is the Son of God ( two persons) God called Lord Jesus His Son Mark 1:9-11, Mark 9:7, Matthew 3:17, Luke 3:22. 4 times God the Father called Lord Jesus Christ His Son. _ Even angel Gabriel called Lord Jesus Son of God Luke 1:32 _ Two persons 1 Corinthians 8:6 - “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.” Philippians 1:2 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:2 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:7 7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:3 3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Galatians 1:3 3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, Ephesians 1:2 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Philippians 1:2 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Colossians 1:2 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 1:1 1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 1:2 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 1:3 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead __ Full Defence for Trinity in Old Testament Genesis 1:26 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Psalm 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” Genesis 19:24 24 Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens. The Messiah is worshipped Daniel 7:13-14 (Son of Man) 13 “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed Genesis 31:11-13(The Angel of God is the God of Bethel) 11 Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ 12 And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. 13 I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ” And in Genesis 35:1 35 Then God said to Jacob, “Arise, go up to Bethel and dwell there; and make an altar there to God, who appeared to you when you fled from the face of Esau your brother.” (God said go and make altar to God who appeared to you in Bethel and we know Angel of God appeared to Jacob, which means that the Angel which appeared is God In Isaiah 10:21 YHWH is called Mighty God, but in Isaiah 9:6 Lord Jesus is called Mighty God. Isaiah 10:21 21 The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, To the Mighty God. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. __next topic__ God coming down as man in old testament. In genesis 32:24 we see God coming down as man and wrestling with Jacob, we can read that in genesis 32:30 when prophet Jacob says "I have seen God face to face" God appeared to Abraham in a form of Man. Genesis 18:1-3 1 Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. More evidence judges 13:10 we can read, a man comes down to talk to manoah' wife. And in judges 13:22 manoah (Prophet samson' father) says "sure we will die because we have seen God face to face. In Zechariah 12:10 God said they will look Me whom they have pierced. How can God be pierced of He Don't have Body. Zechariah 12:10 10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. God being born from a woman Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Praise God that you are a blessing to all of us. I appreciate you for the good research you do and your apt articulation of these researches to laymen

Wow...thank you for all your well researched information...I cannot tell you how much this video will help me. God bless you.

This is very well researched as a Oneness Pentecostal myself

@theodoreritola7641

Жыл бұрын

Who does the Lord Jesus pray to ? Him self ?

@hargisP2

11 ай бұрын

@@theodoreritola7641 The Man Christ Jesus prays to the father. Jesus spoke as a man and other times He spoke as God. Even McGee understood that better than you. He said if a God prays to himself he un-gods himself. He was man 100% and God 100%.

@theodoreritola7641

11 ай бұрын

@@hargisP2 Are you kidding me ? The Lord Jesus Christ has all ways been God , YOU ARE WAY OFF,

@hargisP2

11 ай бұрын

@@theodoreritola7641 God has always been God. Jesus the man christ was born at a certain time. There is no such thing as a eternal son. He was born at the fullness of time, born of a woman under the law. 1 Timothy 3:16 God became man, Emanuel God with us. God is all powerful He doesn’t need help from two other beings, if He did He wouldn’t be God. In the OT when it was said a type of Christ it doesn’t mean He existed in person from the beginning. It was a fire shadowing of the coming Christ.

@theodoreritola7641

11 ай бұрын

@@hargisP2 The Lord Jesus Christ Says I AM The Begging and the end AND BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM Jesus has ALL WAYS BEEN GOD Your very deceived , Jesus all so says UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IAM HE YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS , So repent, ALL CULTS DENEY THE DEITY of The Lord Jesus Christ And that what you are doing ,

As always, unbiased and well researched

Thank you for giving a truly accurate and unbiased rundown of Apostolic Pentecostal teaching. While you centered most of your commentary on the UPCI (and a lot of Apostolic Pentecostals such as myself are not in that particular organization), your explanation of our views was refreshingly accurate and unbiased. Thank you for that!

As a young conservative classical Pentecostal believer, I'm concerned with the increased acceptance of the Oneness heresy by Trinitarian Pentecostals.

@tonystout1545

2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about it with this person. I saw through their lies immediately and got out.

@TheGeovany7

Жыл бұрын

Agreed oneness Jesus is not the same Jesus from the bible.

@csmith80

3 ай бұрын

@@TheGeovany7 A 3 persons God is certainly not the God of the bible.

Fantastic job. Very well researched. Devoid of editorial comment. This is my go to place to learn about different denominations and fellowships. Well done!

This was a very accurate representation of us UPC folks - thank you for doing a great job! If anyone has any questions about our beliefs, ask away! I would love to answer (licensed UPC minister here).

@theunknownone2189

2 жыл бұрын

I was once UPCI. My question to you is, why would you reject the very councils that helped put together the scriptures that you go off of?

@theosteven3362

2 жыл бұрын

My question to you, if there are not 3 persons, explain me how on heaven there were voice of the Father on the scene of jesus baptism while jesus literally on earth? And, explain to me how in Daniel 7:13 that son of man approached the ancient days and was given the authority along with the ancient days himself? And, how on earth do u baptize in the name of jesus only while on the gospel jesus CLEARLY said to baptize in the name of Trinity??

@billmartin3561

2 жыл бұрын

@@theosteven3362 also, how can Jesus pray to the Father if the Father isn’t a separate person???

@jayt9608

2 жыл бұрын

@@theunknownone2189, because the councils only confirmed the Canon of Scripture not created it. The New Testament quotes, cites, or references nearly every book of the Old Testament, and the New Testament was confirmed repeatedly nearly as we gave it now with few exceptions for some books included or included. Thus before A.D. 150 the Canon was as we know it today. Thus the Canon preexists all church Councils.

@theunknownone2189

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayt9608 as we know it? You mean the KJV bible with its 66 books right?

Good overview of their beliefs and practice.

I think this is an overall great and unbiased explanation of the Oneness view! I'm thankful to be a Oneness Pentecostal and have the biblical revelation of the mighty God in Christ!

@HeatStrokeV2

Жыл бұрын

Explain 1st John 5:7-8

@maryhelencampos9964

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a personal relationship with The Father? After all Jesus came to show us The Father And to destroy the works of the devil(sin & death).My Father And I Are One (Oneness) One In unity...There’s 3 that bears record in Heaven (Trinity)❤If King Jesus has a Relationship with The Father shouldn’t we? Afterall King Jesus Yeshua is our Redeemer HighPriest Intercessor Mediator etc where we can approach The Father’s Throne with grace and boldness all because of our Mediator King Jesus❤ No man can come to The Father Only by The Son Messiah Yeshua King Jesus ❤From a Former UPC/just dialoguing

@baileyfervin1999

Жыл бұрын

@@HeatStrokeV2 oh you mean the verse that doesn’t show up in any manuscript until the 12th century? I’ll play along. v7 says these three are one. v8 says these three agree in one. The phrasing in v8 implying one in unity proves that the phrasing in v7 alludes to one in totality. But this verse most likely isn’t even in the original text.

@baileyfervin1999

Жыл бұрын

@@maryhelencampos9964 when the father came down and reconciled the world to Himself He enabled me and you to have a relationship with Him. A relationship with Jesus IS a relationship with the Father. Jesus is our everlasting father. That’s cool that you used to be in the UPC. I’m not in the UPC but I have many wonderful friends in that great organization!

@HeatStrokeV2

Жыл бұрын

@@baileyfervin1999 ok now do John 1:1, the 17th chapter of John, psalms 110, Jesus's baptism (ventriloquist act?), and let us make man in our image.

Six minutes in so far, and you communicate our views better than many of our pastors do... I don't know if I should be honored or embarrassed. Thank you for taking the time to do this video. Many of my favorite non-oneness preachers do nothing but bash us as heretics and fools. I think Trinitarians and Oneness believers can and should have fellowship. I have grown up my whole life in a Oneness church, and even went to a prominent Oneness Bible College. Whereas I do not agree with Trinitarian views on the Pre-eternal Christ, we share the same views on the pure deity and manhood of Jesus Christ. Oneness and Trinitarians would both say that Jesus is fully God and fully man, and most of our other views are identical. We are not Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses who have to warp scripture to be able to form a doctrine. If I have learned anything, it is that this difference is not a salvific matter. This statement may be inflammatory, but I do hold it. Do I think the Oneness view is correct? OF COURSE. But do I think Trinitarians are barred form Heaven? Don't be ridiculous. I put my faith purely in the one true God, Jesus Christ, our Lord, through whom we have grace and redemption. I think many Trinitarians agree with me, but people who are higher up in the organizational world keep us separated. I have seen many Trinitarians outreaching to Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses to free them from their doctrines. I have never seen Trinitarians outreach to Oneness believers though. So either they do not think we are lost heretics destined for fire, or they care about us so little that they think we are not worthy of discipleship. I think it is the former. I have many great friends who are GODLY trinitarians, and most of the greatest preachers and expositors I know are Trinitarians. So please, let's stop slinging mud and praise the one true King who sits upon the throne. Jesus Christ, Son of God.

Thank. You UPCI preaching around the world watching phillipines

Very interesting video. I joined the UPCI over 15 years ago. So thankful for the changing power of the gospel.

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

The trinitarians make another god out of the voice of God for example at the baptism of Jesus the word says they heard a voice of of heaven saying this is my beloved son in whom I'm well please Matthew 2:13__15 the Saul of Tarsus was on his way to Damascus he fell to the ground he heard a voice who art thou I AM Jesus One voice of God

@rijoab

9 ай бұрын

@@davidortega357nope. Three persons and one god.(not three gods) Paul continually puts it. And so does Jesus Matthew 28:19 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

@JoshD8705

7 ай бұрын

In the NAME not the titles the name is Jesus! ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭AMP‬‬ [9] For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].

@JoshD8705

7 ай бұрын

If you've been baptized in the Trinity you aren't baptized.

@LotswifeLost

4 ай бұрын

Learned 60 years to late...and 100"s of books later that The titled "gospel of John" is a fascinating anonymous book that wasn't quoted by any church leaders until the end of the second century. It's a memoir, meaning the untitled apostle of which Jesus allegedly loved was long dead. Mary, Zacchaeus nobody's quite sure? If it was John, then why didn't he mention the "mount of transfiguration"? Anonymous scribe, reiterates the reason they wrote this Memoir. “Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah,🫴 the Son of God, and that by believing you may have Life in His name” [John 20:30-31] “This is the disciple who testified to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true. Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written” [John 21:24-25] An unknown community of believers finished the book for someone titled" apostle Jesus loved"? Scholars note the Gospel of John came with multiple authors, unfortunately addition/dates ect... is ALL unknown. Top best conclusions I've come to understand about that unusual prologue, it was an early church Psalm as follows: In the Beginning there was Wisdom/Reason All things were made by it etc and Then John 1:14 Wisdom dwelt among us. It was was an Just an early Christian Psalm, however since "Wisdom is Feminine", yet word is neutral.

As a Oneness Pentecostal or, as a growing trend of us likes to be called, an Apostolic Pentecostal, I deeply appreciated this examination of the UPCI, my former church affiliation for all my life until the age of 24 years. I will only add one small caveat to what he said, most churches will NOT cite I Corinthians 14:26 is support of our mode of worship as the context shows a church without order contrary to the command of Paul in verse 40. This is not to say that we do not believe in these things, but that there are better means by which we may prove them in Scripture.

Thank you for keeping the comment section open... as far as youtube videos go, (no matter what the content is) the video is always better if you can see other people's reactions and comments, again, thank you

Interesting and nicely done!

Very well done. Some may comment that the UPCI focuses more on "rules" than perhaps other organizations, but a more apt interpretation or explanation would be that, in pursuit of a closer walk with our Lord and Savior they drawn are closer to His identity and values, and drift further from things that "the world" finds attractive to themselves. This is not a bad thing. There is spiritual safety in staying close to what pleases Him.

From my experience in teaching a family of Oneness Pentecostals at my school, the Oneness guys not only despise Trinitarians, they also despise other Oneness churches. Legalism is a downward spiral that gets smaller and smaller as you go down, ending with just just enough room for yourself and all the personal sins you excuse. Also, denial of the Trinity immediately causes problems for the incarnation, for the so-called "literal" reading of Scripture, and the nature of grace.

@jayt9608

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to know more of the members of this family and whether they stayed in the Church, especially as I can not, and will not, dispute your perceptions (they are after all your perceptions of the situation which may have been subjective unto itself.) I would encourage you to not take everything you might have heard to heart as the reality is often different in the ground, and perhaps sometimes grievances are aired publicly when they could be settled privately or people speak out of turn about matters that they were told in confidence. This seems often to happen when two churches with differing standards are located in near proximity to one another. Externally no one else might tell the difference, but from the inside the differences might well be an insurmountable chasm, especially if the "liberal" church is growing or members are leaving the more conservative assembly. The reverse may also be true. This may lead to...strained relations that become manifest to others leading to your perceptions. There are still yet other reasons related to the failing of our humanity. Feelings can be hurt or misunderstansings had. Sometimes people are not ethical. I do have instances in mind, but they are not for me to publicly discuss because the issues are now long settled and in some instances the parties have gone to be judged and are no longer present to defend themselves should I blemish unfairly their reputations. There also is almost always, especially among conservative circles, the dreaded fear of compromise and those who would temporize with sin and worldliness. This is especially true if a conservative church chooses a liberal pastor. Again this is most obvious when the churches are close together. There may also simply be personality differences or styles. Pastors of larger churches or who are better connected may receive more fellowship that a smaller church or less connected pastor may not. Also rural churches often struggle with fellowship not felt by more urban assemblies, and this also may engender difficult feelings. This is not to say that there is no truth to your perceptions either, as that has also happened where two churches or pastors truly have it in for one another, but I believe for the most part this to be a more rare occurrence than someone airing dirty laundry publicly. Also, many of those who spread word of such divisions are often former Oneness Pentecostals who have decided to grind an axe.

@davidortega357

2 жыл бұрын

We should have more home church where we sit facing each other become more friendly church tradition sit facing forward back of the head

@ttmatt_8250

2 жыл бұрын

I like how you make assumptions. Who said we hate anyone? Friend, when I got baptized in the name of Jesus Christ on December 30th, 2018, I came up from the water speaking in tongues! This experience is real and it’s just like the book of Acts! My family is also from Zimbabwe, honey, this is going WORLDWIDE! Praise GOD! Amen! So you best believe I’ll tell SOMEBODY that they ought to obey the JEWISH GOSPEL! PRAISE JESUS!

@markbrooks8623

Жыл бұрын

The biggest problem is a lack of salvation. Denying Christ's Eternal Sonship is to deny Christ. Very unfortunate.

@MargoThomas

Жыл бұрын

@@davidortega357 you may have something in a nutshell there.

Great video. Thanks for sharing. New subscriber!🎉

Love this, thanks!

I am a 5th generation Apostolic Pentecostal I have been a Christian for 54 years, and a preacher for 46 years pastor, evangelist, and missionary. You have done a great job researching our doctrines and theology and bring understanding. One way we convert trinitarians is by explaining their doctrine to them and then compare our doctrines and beliefs to history of the first generation church and Judaism.

@charlestiraco8634

2 ай бұрын

Hello. I've gone from Trinitarian to Oneness. Have you ever noticed that Jesus never calls himself God?

@optres

2 ай бұрын

@@charlestiraco8634I’m not a oneness but, Jesus said” before Abraham was, I am,”and the legalistic religious Pharisees picked up stones to stone him.

Nowhere in The Holy Scripture is 'speaking in tongues" inecessary for Salvation! We are only saved in the name of Jesus Christ. Acts 4: 10-12

I’m Very surprised you only have 41,000 subscription! I bet that goes up you offer a good comparison!

As of now the UPCI does fellowship with other churches, including COGIC and until recently we were part of the World Pentecostal Fellowship which was a group of Holiness Pentecostals trying to move the word of god forward. But overall this is. a great explanation and review.

"Come let us reason together" So let me get this straight. When Holy Scripture says "one" it means "one". Got it. So in Scripture when it says Husband and Wife are "one" so that means a married man and woman are absolutely the same person/body. *face palm*

@mcgheebentle1958

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent connection and parallel.

@jlar1984

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try…if you believe this you don’t believe in one God.

@Klein-Morretti

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlar1984 Wrong he does.

@theunknownone2189

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlar1984 that’s called tritheism. No one who is trinitarian believes in three distinct gods.

@sumthinfresh

2 жыл бұрын

@@theunknownone2189 so Genesis 1:26 God is not speaking to 2 other beings? How many Spirits does Christ have according to 2 Corinthians 3:17? Most trinitarians believe in one God but don't understand how these things can be.

Another version of modalism.

@iagoofdraiggwyn98

2 жыл бұрын

Modalism 2: Electric Boogaloo

Come Lord Jesus! I look forward to glorification when Christ will unite all true believers and all truth will be revealed. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. May God continue to reveal to us all that this means.

What a legalistic denomination

@debbieboudreaux390

Ай бұрын

Yes most demonstrate arrogant behaviors ....the men ignore leviticus 19:27 and impose rules to women based on deuteronomy 22:5

Modern day Montanist. Speaking of which can you please do a video where you mentioned about old Christian denominations(many deemed heretical) and they're modern equivalent. Such as how Arius proceeded Charles Russell Taze and the Jehovah's witnesses. Or how many Protestant denomination seem to have a similar attitude towards Mary as Nestorius. Or have the gnostics and the medieval equivalent Hermeticism/occultist were essentially the predecessors of New age religion. I hope I don't offend anyone but I do find it very interesting how many religions that you would think is modern was founded antiquity.

@nickmoser7785

11 ай бұрын

@@wully8411 In their refusal to venerate the Virgin Mary, modern Evangelical Protestants deny the use of the term Theotokos. In defending this, many Evangelical Protestants argue that the Virgin Mary could not have given birth to God but only to the man Jesus. They thus again separate in the Theandric God-man Jesus a human and a Divine person and teach Nestorianism. The error of this thinking lies in the failure to understand the intricacies of Christology and the doctrine of Incarnation. A proper understanding of the Virgin Mary is required for a proper understanding of Jesus Christ. If Mary is not Theotokos, then Christ is not God-man. Likewise, if Christ is God-man, then Mary is Theotokos. If Mary is not Ever-Virgin, then Christ did not become God Incarnate. If Christ became God Incarnate, then Mary is Ever-Virgin. If Mary is not the Queen Mother, then Christ is not King; if Christ is King, then Mary is Queen Mother.

Ahhh a new r.2.h video and me just getting off a bad day at work. Its a good thing.

I appreciate that the content creator doesn't just bash all of us Christians who follow biblical oneness in doctrine One thing I would note that UPC and ONENESS are interchanged throughout the video but UPC is just an organization who follows our same doctrine WPF, UPCI, PAW, ALJC PCAF etc all all ministerial or organizational I've often gotten from others "ohh your UPC" although possibly well meaning education can help to break this down on understandable and biblical terms

This was an awesome, and perfect explanation of the UPCI and our beliefs. I just recently came into the UPCI about a year and a half ago. I was Trinitarian but the Lord gave me revelation of the Mighty God in Christ. I will forever uphold the Gospel, and our Apostolic doctrine. Great video, Joshua!

@thetraditionalist

2 жыл бұрын

the trinity is real

@kobymccarty6682

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetraditionalist I beg to differ there.

@Madison2002_

2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain more?

@kobymccarty6682

2 жыл бұрын

@@Madison2002_ what do you want me to explain?

@Madison2002_

2 жыл бұрын

@@kobymccarty6682 how you were trinitarian and now oneness. I’m just curious about your story. Like how did you know the trinity was wrong and that oneness was right?

There is a serious problem in American Protestantism in that many ministers never study/studied the true history of the Church, and sometimes don't even know their own theology well. Part of this was due to the situation in in the US, which is cut off from much Old-World history, and where even basic education might be difficult to come by in frontier areas. Added to this, of course, was the fact that the doctrines of both Catholicism and especially Eastern Orthodoxy were respectively often misunderstood/stereotyped or (for Orthodoxy) completely unknown EVEN among Protestant seminary professors. In the frontier setting, the "pastor" might simply be an intelligent or worse, charismatic, person in the community who simply "felt a calling." At times there was even a strong anti-intellectualism in some denominations, possibly bolstered by the insecurity some untrained pastors felt when confronted by educated theologians. No one can judge those who were doing the best they could in a frontier setting, but the damage this has done to Protestant theology can't be overestimated.

@mynameis......23

6 ай бұрын

eastern orthodox refuted yt I'm more blessed than mary Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary Amen. _ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” There is only One Mediator between God and men, LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by One Spirit to the Father John 15:5 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. Colossians 1:19-20 19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. _ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these eastern orthodoxes will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Christian should not cover their head 1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. (The head of man is Lord Jesus Christ). So the priests and bishops should not cover their head. ALL Believers of JESUS CHRIST are Royal Priest 1 Peter 2:5,9. Revelation 1:6. Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 Breaking 10 commandments by having statues, carved images, idols, changing the Sabbath to sunday Music instruments are allowed for Christians Revelation 14:2 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. Revelation 5:8 8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. Jeremiah 31:4 (GOD speaking in this verse) 4 Again I will build you, and you shall be rebuilt, O virgin of Israel! You shall again be adorned with your tambourines, And shall go forth in the dances of those who rejoice. Even in Heaven with their perfect voices they had instruments then why not us _ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles Even old Old Testament says Christ intercedes for us Isaiah 53:12 12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors. _ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. The context is not calling pharisees, sadducees and PRIESTS father and teacher. _ Whenever a eastern orthodox argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _ Humans when with Holy Spirit and apostolic succession still go wrong. And eastern orthodox is not immune to that 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20, 1 Corinthians, Galatians. 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 15) Paul and Barnabas both had a sharp disagreement on John Mark( Acts 15:36-41). And remember that both were Apostles filled with Holy Spirit. 16) Church in Revelation 2:1-6 Lord Jesus Himself said to the church of Ephesus that "I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" but guess what that church still had problems and Lord also pointed that out "Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love......" So as you can see Churches can do Biblical and unbiblical things at the some time. If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.

@mynameis......23

6 ай бұрын

papacy debunked (youtube) I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” There is only One Mediator between God and men, LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by One Spirit to the Father John 15:5 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. Colossians 1:19-20 19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. _ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop All Believer of JESUS CHRIST are Royal Priest 1 Peter 2:5,9. Revelation 1:6 Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad. A verse against the position of pope, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. _ When a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all Gal 4:21-26. _ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles Even old Old Testament says Christ intercedes for us Isaiah 53:12 12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors. _ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit) 10)King Soloman messed up 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20, 1 Corinthians, Galatians. 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 15) Paul and Barnabas both had a sharp disagreement on John Mark( Acts 15:36-41). And remember that both were Apostles filled with Holy Spirit. 16) Church in Revelation 2:1-6 Lord Jesus Himself said to the church of Ephesus that "I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" but guess what that church still had problems and Lord also pointed that out "Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love......" So as you can see Churches can do Biblical and unbiblical things at the some time. _ Breaking the 10 commandments by having statues, carved images, idols, changing the Lord's Sabbath to sunday.

@mynameis......23

6 ай бұрын

Continuationism is Biblical. -People doing miracles who are not apostles proof-Luke 9:49-50, mark 9:38-41, Acts 6:8, Acts 8:6, Acts 10:45 Acts 21:9, Zecharias filled with SPIRIT prophesied in Luke 1:67 ... 6 examples. - paul said that you lack no gift until the second coming of Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 1:7) - Peter said in Acts 2:16-21 in the end days God will pour His Spirit on His people and they will all prophecy, see visions and dreams, sun will turn dark, and moon into blood until the coming of the Day of the Lord. ((Notice how the ends days begins during acts 2 and is still going on because the Day of the Lord has not returned which also means God is still pouring out His people so they can prophecy, see dreams and visions.)) -Paul in 1 Corinthians 1 is speaking to all Christian (1Cori 1:2). And he also says that you DO NOT LACK ANY GIFT UNTIL THE DAY OF THE LORD.(1Cori 1:7-8).(notice says Christians should lack no, not one gift. 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 tell us about the Gifts and we can see that teachings and healing are said together so you can't say we Gift of teaching is present but not healing) -Pray in SPIRIT Jude 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit Ephesians 6:18 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit Ephesians 5:18 18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit In acts 2:4, 4:31, 10:46 when they were filled with SPIRIT they spoke in Tongues. -"Unknown tongues" accusations from cessationist debunked" - 1 Corinthians 14:2 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 1 Corinthians 14:28 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. -And remember paul said in 1 Corinthians 13:2 "though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains". -Ephesians 4:11 "And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers". Now if there still are Evangelists, Pastors, teachers, there also must be Apostles and Prophets. - and no the Gifts were not fading away in Acts 28 Paul was close to going asleep in the Lord (dying) he went on the island of Malta, and a poisonous snake bite him (the islanders thought he was gonna die) but nothing happened to him rather he healed all who came to him through the Holy Spirit. Second example is John when he was old wrote the Book of Revelation way after the Apostles were martyred. So you can see the Gifts were not fading. -Bible says not to neglect Gifts that is in us 1 Timothy 4:14. Bible says keeping using the Gift of Holy Spirit like a small flame that grows into fire. -There is difference between Apostles and miracles doers( Apostles do perform miracles as well) - 1 Corinthians 12:28 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.( As you can see first are Apostle and around 4th are people with Gifts of Holy Spirit, you don't have to be Apostle to do miracles). Futher proof, John 14:12 12 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. Mark 16:17-18 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” Mark 11:23-24 23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. Acts 21:9 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied. James 5:14-15 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.( Notice prayer of Faith will heal the sick, not pray of Apostle) -Now my main argument ,if the New Testament says not to commit adultery and I say commit adultery then what will you call me? A heritic right, because I'm going against the New Testament. Same way the New Testament says do not forbid speaking in tongues(1 Corinthians 14:39) , not to despise prophecies (1 Thessalonians 5:20), desire Spiritual gifts(1 Corinthians 14:1), Lord Jesus Himself said that these signs will follow them that believe (mark 16:17-18),and you(cessationists) FORBID speaking in tongues, you(cessationists) despise prophecies, and you(cessationists) insult those who desire Spiritual gifts which means you(cessationists) are going against New Testament and Apostles and most importantly you are going against Lord Jesus Himself which concludes you(cessationists) are heritics. _________________________ The same Jesus which said "father take this cup away" is the same Jesus who said "ask anything in my name and I'll do it", is the same Jesus who said "if you have faith of a Mustard Seed, you can move mountains", is the same Jesus who said "23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. . Is the same Jesus who said "the thing that I did greater than these you'll do" is the same Jesus who said "17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”. Same Jesus who said," if you leave wealth, wife , family, in this life will get 100 folds back in the same life(mark 10:29-30)". Same Jesus who said "all things are POSSIBLE with God",. Same Jesus who said "nothing will be impossible for you(Matthew 17:20)". I hope you get the point One more thing in Isaiah 53 with forgiveness, healing is also given. And if you think that only forgiveness is given then you are wrong. Isaiah 53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. _ Elijah, Elisha took few tries 1 kings 18:43 and said to his servant, “Go up now, look toward the sea.” So he went up and looked, and said, “There is nothing.” And seven times he said, “Go again.” 1 kings 17:21 And he stretched himself out on the child three times, and cried out to the Lord and said, “O Lord my God, I pray, let this child’s soul come back to him.” 2 kings 4:33-35 33 He went in therefore, shut the door behind the two of them, and prayed to the Lord. 34 And he went up and lay on the child, and put his mouth on his mouth, his eyes on his eyes, and his hands on his hands; and he stretched himself out on the child, and the flesh of the child became warm. 35 He returned and walked back and forth in the house, and again went up and stretched himself out on him; then the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes. 2 Kings 5:14 14 So he went down and dipped seven times in the Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God; and his flesh was restored like the flesh of a little child, and he was clean. Mark 8:23-26 23 So He took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the town. And when He had spit on his eyes and put His hands on him, He asked him if he saw anything. 24 And he looked up and said, “I see men like trees, walking.” 25 Then He put His hands on his eyes again and made him look up. And he was restored and saw everyone clearly. 26 Then He sent him away to his house, saying, “Neither go into the town, nor tell anyone in the town.” _ Being charismatics doesn't mean you're not Sola Scriptura - Sola Scriptura means Scriptures are the Sole infallible authority for doctrines. Doesn't say only authority rather only infallible authority. There is Church authority as well but it's not infallible. Rather cessationism is unbiblical because there is not one verse that say Gift of the Holy Spirit ceased. Bible do not forbid speaking in tongues 1 Corinthians 14:39 , don't despise prophecies 1 Thessalonians 5:20, desire Spiritual Gifts 1 Corinthians 14:1, Lord Jesus said signs and miracles will follow them that believe Mark 16:17-18. -There were 50 prophets in the time of Elijah but their writings were not there. - Same with Apostles Barnabas. His writings are not there. Where as Luke who is not Apostle his writings are Scriptures. - Prophetess Anna in Luke 2:36-38 (her writing are not there). - Paul said if any thinks he is a prophet let him acknowledge that my writings are Commandments of God. There were prophets in the time of Pentecost but their writings are not there.

@dannyjackson5189

Ай бұрын

​@@mynameis......23Right then you agree that God has not ceased to work: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKGLsNmelsjTZdI.htmlsi=Xp7iarw3ziJIRZdv

I'm supriesed you have done this yet, but you should do a video on modern day Gnostics.

I m from India. State tripura, northeast in India. I belong upc North East India. Praised the lord

Joshua, do you find that doing this type of video genre has, strengthened your existing doctrinal convictions, challenged your existing doctrinal convictions or had no effect?

@Avery_F

2 жыл бұрын

I’m commenting here because I’m interested in his answer.

Thank you for this respectful, accurate, and well-researched presentation. I'd be interested in your research about the growth rate of the Oneness Pentecostal movement as compared to both Trinitarian Pentecostals and all Christian denominations. I have seen some research that has shown the rapid growth rate of pentecostalism worldwide, but every study I've seen lumps Oneness, Trinitarian, and even Charismatic Catholics into one "Pentecostalism" boat.

@mikef6063

7 ай бұрын

What is your sense on the growth of for example the UPCI? I have been in the UPCI my whole life, as has my wife, and both of us have observed a steep declines in attendance in both of our local districts (two different states).

@jacobwjones

7 ай бұрын

@@mikef6063 From 2010 to 2020, the UPCI grew from 2.8 million to 5.3 million. I have the stats from 2022 somewhere too, and it is now closer to 6 million worldwide. Churches went from 34,550 to 42,440 during that span.

@mikef6063

7 ай бұрын

​@@jacobwjones I wonder if we can separate out the USA from the rest of the world. While the global constituency may very well have grown, I find it VERY difficult to believe that the USA numbers have. My hunch is that the USA numbers have either stagnated or declined. That has certainly been our experience. While there may be more churches, they are mostly small around 20 people, while many large churches have diminished significantly and turnover rates have been astronomical.

@jacobwjones

7 ай бұрын

@@mikef6063 The UPCI is an international organization, and it has more than doubled in size in less than 15 years. Some local churches may have declined, but I've been a member of two districts in North America over that span and have seen growth in both. Not only in the size of congregations, but new congregations as well. Overall, the USA and Canada have added over 2,000 ministers in the last 13 years. The current estimated constituency of the North American region is over 611,000 as of 2022 reports. However, that number is already stale because, in 2022 alone, the UPCI added over 400 works per the NAM department. Works are defined as preaching points, daughter works, NAM churches, Metro Missionaries, or standalone churches. The weekly attendance from 2021 to 2022 in North America increased by 7%. Therefore, I would estimate that by the time the next report is released, we will have surpassed 650,000 in North America for 2023. By every metric the UPCI is growing at faster and faster rates, even in North America.

@LotswifeLost

4 ай бұрын

🤗Ex UPC here... Proverbs 30:4 Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name, and what is his Son’s name? Surely you know! John 5:43 I have come in my 👉Father's name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my 👉Father's name bear witness about me, Yeshua=Yahweh Saves. Jesus came in his "father's name" . Jesus quotes 2 Esdras dozens of times. 2 Esdras 2:42-48 42. I, Ezra, saw on Mount Zion a great multitude, which I could not number, and they all were praising the Lord with songs. 43. In their midst was a 🤴Young Man of great stature, taller than any of the others, and on the head of each of them he placed a crown, but he was more exalted than they. And I was held spellbound. 44. Then I asked an angel, “Who are these, my lord?” 45. He answered and said to me, “These are they who have put off mortal clothing and have put on the immortal, and they have 👉 confessed the name of God; now they are being crowned, and receive palms.” 46.Then I said to the angel, “Who is that young man who places crowns on them and puts palms in their hands?” 47. He answered and said to me, 🤴 “He is the Son of God, whom they confessed in the world.” So I began to praise those who had stood valiantly for the name of the Lord. 48. Then the angel said to me, “Go, tell my people how great and many are the wonders of the Lord God which you have seen.” (🤴John 17:4-6 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. “I have manifested👉Your Name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.) Yeshua was called Son-of-Man, 88 times in the New Testament, AND favorite self-designated title. Again Enoch & Esdras were in circulation, hundreds of years, BEFORE Jesus/Son-of-Man, stepped on the Israel scene & preserved in Dead Sea Scroll's ⭐Enoch 46: 1-6 -1.And there I saw One who had a head of days, 👨‍🦳And His head was white like wool, And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,🤴 And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels. -2.And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that -3.🤴🏼 Son-of•Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the 👨‍🦳Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me: This is the son of Man who hath righteousness, With whom dwelleth righteousness, And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden. -4. And this 💡Son of Man whom thou hast seen shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats, and the strong from their thrones and shall loosen the reins of the strong, and break the teeth of the sinners. -5.And he shall put down the kings from their thrones and kingdoms because they do not extol and praise Him, nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them. -6.And he shall put down the countenance of the strong, and shall fill them with shame. [🎯Daniel 7:13-14. “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a 💡Son-of-Man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to 👉Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."🌠] [Jesus/Son-of-Man/Lamb is presented to: Ancient-Old/God-of-Spirits, after leaving his Apostles on a cloud in Galilee.] ⭐-Enoch 48: 2-6 -2. And at that hour that Son-of-Man was named in the presence of the "Lord-of-Spirits", and his name before the Head of Days. -3.Yea, before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of the heaven were made, his name was named before the Lord of Spirits. [JOHN 17:5] -4.He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall, and he shall be the 💡"light of the Gentiles, and the hope of those who are troubled of heart. -5.All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him, and will praise and bless and celebrate with song, The Lord-of-Spirits. -6 And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him, before the creation of the world and for evermore. [Isaiah 49💡I will also make You a light of the nations, So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.” John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the 💡light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.] ⭐Enoch 62: 1-3 -1.And thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, and said: Open your eyes and lift up your horns if Ye are able to recognize the 💡Elect One. -2.And the Lord of Spirits seated Him on the Throne of His glory, and the spirit of righteousness was poured out upon him, and the word of his mouth slays all the sinners, and all the unrighteous are destroyed from before his face. -3.And there shall stand up in that day all the kings and the mighty, and the exalted and those who hold the earth, and they shall see and recognize How he sits on the throne of his glory, and righteousness is judged before him, and no lying word is spoken before him. -4.Then shall pain come upon them as on a woman in travail, [and she has pain in bringing forth] when her child enters the mouth of the womb, and she has pain in bringing forth. -5.And one portion of them shall look on the other, and they shall be terrified, and they shall be downcast of countenance, and pain shall seize them, when they see 💡"that Son-of-Man" Sitting on the throne of his glory. -6.And the kings and the mighty and all who possess the earth shall bless and glorify and extol him who rules over all, who was hidden. -7.For from the beginning 'the Son-of-Man was hidden", and the Most High preserved him in the presence of His might, and revealed him to the elect. [Isaiah 49:2.He has made My mouth like a sharp sword, In the 👉"Shadow of His hand", He has concealed Me; And He has also made Me a sharpened arrow, He has hidden Me in His quiver.] -8.And the congregation of the elect and holy shall be sown, and all the elect shall stand before him on that day. -9.And all the kings and the mighty and the exalted and those who rule the earth shall fall down before him on their faces, and worship and set their hope upon that Son of Man, and petition him and supplicate for mercy at his hands. Rev 3:21 KJV To him that overcomith , will I grant to sit with me on 🔥"My Throne"; even as I also overcame, and am set down with 👉"My Father" on his throne. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the 👉"Son Of Man🤴 will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. AGAIN: Acts 7:55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the "Glory of God, and 🤴"Jesus standing" at the right hand of 👉God.👨‍🦳 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and 🔥"The Son of Man, "Standing" at the right hand 👉of God.” We we're grafted into a Messianic & Monotheistic ancient religion, with a rational functioning hierarchy and meant to assimilate, so Trinitys False and Jesus is the son of God PERIOD. 27NT Book & 9NT Author's unanimously agree that Jesus has a God 🧐

Speaking nothing but God's truth!

Were these quotes taken by any speeches or writings? I know he has books.

I use to be oneness Pentecostal. I remember asking ministers there about the Trinity because when I was a new believer, I would read the scriptures and see the Trinity. The answers I got was very shallow. I also remember pastors coaching people on speaking in tongues during alter calls. I also recall women shunning women who wore make up or cut their hair. I've seen people roll on the floor and recall the pastor saying one time that if you don't pay tithes, you're going to hell, nevermind he and his wife drove brand new Cadillacs. I also didn't like how they would add to the gospel the words "with the evidence of speaking in tongues" but reject the Trinity because that word isn't in the Bible. After 20 years, I had enough and left. There were positives, for one, the were strongly family oriented and I made some great friends there but when I left, those relationships ended. But overall, I would not recommend this church as the historical church in any way.

@willgold9705

Жыл бұрын

Very well said. I'm former Upci too.

@sunnyd4734

Жыл бұрын

When I attempted to defend Matthew 28:19-20, I was shut down. Why would UPCI deny the words of Jesus regarding 🤔 baptism? The "tongues" they claimed to be speaking was all jibberish, very cult like. I've heard real speaking in tongues and it's clearly spoken and interpreted. I left the UPCI cult.

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

Matthew 28 19 was Changed by or altered by the RCC in second century it originally written in this way go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in my Name. See Eusebuis and early church historian they had copies of Matthew original manuscript but many were destroyed by the heretics to hide the truth of original Apostles doctrine mos christians believe the voice at Christ baptism was the Trinity it wasn't it come from Jesus divine nature speaking same Damascus road when Paul heard a voice he ask who are thou the voice said I AM Jesus Acts 9:5

@andys3035

Жыл бұрын

@@davidortega357 sure pal

@JWatts-gc4zw

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnyd4734 If you read Mat 28 it says, to be baptized In the Name Of ,what is the Name of the father son and holy spirit ??? Its Jesus.Christ. acts 4:12 theres only one name whereby we must be saved. father son and holy ghost are only title words, Not the Name. acts 2:38 commands us to baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ

Of all the non-trinitarian heresies, this one bothers me the most. Perhaps that's because it's the one that's easiest for people to fall into without realizing it. Arianism and other forms of unitarianism are obviously distinct from orthodoxy, as are binitarianism and tritheism. But modalism sounds "right" on the surface to those who don't know better, even if it makes various moments in the Gospels nonsensical in a way that none of the other aforementioned heresies do.

@CDC39A

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo bango bongo. It's just orthodox enough by not denying the divinity of Christ , but as soon as you start peeling off layers.....

@CDC39A

2 жыл бұрын

@@BiblicalTeachings oh believe me, once set free I saw all of this. All thanks be to the Holy Spirit and His work of illumination. The immutability of God is totally disregarded there.

@theunknownone2189

2 жыл бұрын

@@BiblicalTeachings very well put!

@msolav63

2 жыл бұрын

@@CDC39A Oneness are TRINITARIANS! Trinitarians believe in ONE GOD THREE PERSONS or TRINITY of PERSONS. Oneness believe is ONE GOD THREE modes or TRINITY of modes.

@luelzone7474

Жыл бұрын

@@msolav63 exactly 💯 basically trinitarians

Could you do a video on the Pentecostal Churches of Christ denomination?

If for anything, what is with denominations placing great importance on 1914 or years in that decade? Is there a social factor?

As someone who goes to a UPCI church, Youth Rallies, and other UPCI functions I can say this quite well researched but in the majority of the UPCI body, at least in my state of Louisiana, the way that Holiness is approached is quite different than described here. Holiness is something not really expected of new converts who don’t know or haven’t been taught the standards. Visitors or people just starting out with their walk with God are not expected to just being a model “Pentecostal”. Now, the elephant in the room are the churches, mainly rural, who actively preach that you will go to hell if you do not wear the length skirt or this length sleeve. This has been rebuked many times by our General Superintendent, David Bernard, and the majority of pastors in my area. A perfect example of standards gone wrong is that having a TV was taught to be a sin for a LONG time. Literally just having one was a sin was what some preachers taught. Now, everyone with a brain in the UPCI knows that a phone is way more damaging than a TV, and that it all depends on what you watch. Most Christians would agree that watching porn, or TV shows with nudity or sex is wrong. Now days, that teaching has been relegated to those rural, very conservative churches.

@creekochee3592

2 жыл бұрын

And on legalism, most churches don’t actually believe in legalism as it has been attributed to the UPCI. At this point, it’s almost character assassination because if you just paint it all legalism, you don’t have to take them seriously.

@kevinwall2882

Жыл бұрын

When it is deemed pertinent to one’s salvation,or looked at by a UPCI adherent as unholy then yes,it is legalism. It is what it is. We are save by grace through faith - nothing else,that is it. Accepting Christ as your Lord and savior,His finished work of redemption.

@kevinwall2882

Жыл бұрын

Unholy without a tie?? Wow! I wore ties all along during my days in UPCI but never thought it was a condition of holiness. Smh

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

This post is very informative thank you for informing us

@Omatimestwo

Жыл бұрын

As someone who was raised in the Pentecostal faith I’ve been on the receiving end of all the the many standards the church added to the doctrine of oneness and the gift of the Holy Ghost. They finally let go of the television standard thank God but there are so many other standards they refuse to give up, teaching the doctrines of men as commandments. There were so many things that could send you to hell. Do they not yet realize that legalism needs to go? It has oppressed people for far too long and sent many people out of the church and away from God altogether. What should be taught is discernment. Too many Christians are still babes in Christ because they cannot discern what is sin and what is not sin. They need all of the fences (standards) that the UPC puts up lest they fall into temptation and potential sin. That is no way to live as a child of God.

Years ago, c. 1980, I was involved on weekends with a "coffeehouse" ministry much like many that had come up during the 1970s. There was a UPC man who would come there repeatedly and badger people with his stances. He was told to leave and not come back a few times but after a few weeks he would return. Finally a public announcement by leadership told everyone to ignore him on the basis of Titus 3:10-11 which says to reject a factious person after two warnings. Years later when I was reminiscing with one of those leaders he described this man as "a persistent rascal". Very accurate.

@billymimnaugh3998

Жыл бұрын

Well that settles it .One guy means everyone is the same .Obviously then all Catholics molest kids

I love both sides really, as long as the foundations are based on truth. I really love the body of Christ

So cool man, excellent research and presentation. I was raised Oneness Pentecostal and learned more about "us" here than anywhere else:) LOL! Today, I wouldn't consider myself part of the UPCI or others, and out of all the standards most of which I vehemently disagree with. However, the one that makes my "blood boil" concerns divorce, specifically for ministers. I'm no minister, but I pity mnister's who've been divorced from unfaithful wives man. I've never understood that stance. If a husband (male) is a preacher and his wife (female) cheats on him and he decides to divorce her, or if she some how becomes an unfit mother because of drug abuse or something, so to protect himself and their kids he decides to divorce, that man has to surrender his minister's license. CRAZY! Guarantee you they'd be people with attitudes like, if you'd have been a better husband and had a closer walk with God none of that would've happen to her, bless her heart:) LOL!

Me, God! Me, God! Why hath I forsaken myself?

@johnjacobjingleheimerschmidt4m

Жыл бұрын

I know this is quite late. Jesus says these words in reference to Psalm 22 which parallels Jesus’s crucifixion. Psalm 22:14 KJV “I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.” John 19:34 KJV “But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.” Psalm 22:15 KJV “My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.” John 19:28 KJV “After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.” Psalm 22:16 KJV “For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.” I think this one is self explanatory. The council of the wicked is the mocking crowd and of course his hands and feet had to be pierced to be crucified. Psalm 22:18 KJV “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.” John 19:24 KJV “They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.” If this makes no sense read Psalm 22 and John 19 and make your own comparisons.

7:25 I always wondered why they did it “in Jesus Name” when there are multiple Jesus’s in the Bible and they never baptized “in Jesus Name” in the Bible; they baptized saying “Jesus Christ” or “Lord Jesus” not even “Lord Jesus Christ”

@wjdyr6261

2 жыл бұрын

Acts 2:38 is the fulfillment of Matt 28:19. Whether it's Jesus or Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus...it's the name of Jesus that's the point. Any other name is not salvation

The UPC bypasses the Councils. Imagine people telling the apostles that in Acts 15 when it says "It seemed good to us and the Holy Spirit" at the Jerusalem council.

You should make a video on First Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ, a oneness organization that does not affiliate with Pentecostals nor Apostolics

Jesus is God!

@TheGeovany7

Жыл бұрын

saying Jesus is God is not enough anymore.

@TheGeovany7

Жыл бұрын

According to Oneness doctrine Jesus or the Son is not God, and if he is God then is a temporary God that will stop his existence once the Father abandon the Son body, once that happens Jesus will cease to exist and enter in inexistent.

The main problem I see with the Oneness doctrine is their salvation view. Either salvation is entirely a free gift of God, and it is complete as given, or we seek to add to it because He has not done enough. Which is it? Blessings

@JWatts-gc4zw

Жыл бұрын

Acts 2:38-39 is completely Free. This is what they believe and how to be Born Again and saved. The entire bible explains there is only One God. and God was manifested in the flesh 1 Tim 3:16

You can receive the Spirit at Baptism, repentance or later in the UPCi like other Pentecostal churches

Can you compare the Potters House Christian Church Fellowship, they are a Trinitarian Pentecostals and UPCI (Oneness).

Whew! Mind blowing. After all this, I'll have to go outside and play some competitive sports, and maybe go catch a movie. But I'll wait unit my significant other finishes up piling up her hair, lest she trips over it.

@camillegrazier7188

Жыл бұрын

The whole “holiness” standards are ridiculous. They get any scripture related to holiness completely out of context.

It seems my comment with the link did not go through. This was a good, overall surface view of the UPCI, but doesn't touch on many aspects of the organization. For more info, click on my screen name and then the about section and you will see a link to my website. I have a great deal of info on the UPC regarding their beliefs. The site contains all the position papers, information on their affirmation statement that ministers must sign every two years, details on their holiness standards, some of the splits they have had, controversies in the organization, abuse cases and much more.

@theunknownone2189

2 жыл бұрын

Did you cover how much the ministers have to pay to keep the licenses?

@CKoinonia1

2 жыл бұрын

@@theunknownone2189 In the blog section, there is a six part series on rules and licensing. The link to the series is on the main website page. The cost to become initially licensed has raised quite a lot since my time there. But it is still rather easy to obtain a license as compared to mainstream churches.

Ive been a christian Apostolic since 1971 43 years in the faiths im not an ordained yet still just a servant disciple of the lord been raised all my like since birth in apostolic faith my parents were born in mexico as catholics but got rebaptized in jesus name became apostolic

In my home town we don't have a UPCI church the closest is in Torrance CA under pastor W D Smith his now passed away good pastor and singer we had an AAFJC Oneness and independent there's now a PA W in Carson ca

The affinity for the KJV is odd to me since it preserves the (i) Comma Johanneum and (ii) the textual gloss in Jude that says “the Lord led his people out of Egypt” rather than “Jesus led his people of out Egypt”. From a Oneness perspective, both of those are Trinitarian textual corruptions of the Bible. As far as I know, the KJV is the only one that preserves both.

According to the UCPI I wouldn’t be saved because: 1. I wasn’t baptized by immersion 2. I wasn’t baptized in the name of Jesus Christ 3. I’ve never spoken in tongues I don’t meet their policies for holiness either. I also reject the inclusion of bodily healing is included in the atonement.

@billymimnaugh3998

Жыл бұрын

Jesus decides who is saved .The UPCI makes no such judgements .

1:31, 3:20, 4:19 - oneness Pentecostalism 5:10, 6:30 - eternal Sonship

Didn’t the UPCI spokesman (Sabine?) who debated with Walter Martin become trinitarian before he died?

I belonged to this cult for many years. I am glad God opened my eyes to many things that were wrong

@camillegrazier7188

Жыл бұрын

If they say they’ve “studied the history” of the upc/apostolic/Pentecostalism, I cry FOUL. Cause if they did, they’d find out that 1 of the so called fathers of the Azusa street mess(yes, I’m calling it a fallacy), was a child pedophile, Charles Parham. And, he also confessed later that what happened during the Azusa street, was NOT of God. He said “it was a horrific, awful shame what was being seen at the meeting. In other words, things got out of hand with all the “emotions” “. Things had gotten out of hand and it became a horrible sight to see where Satan began working his way into peoples life, spiritually. Basically, Pentecostalism began with false tongues believed to be the tongues of acts 2:38; it wasn’t. Apostolic/Pentecostals joined their “own” ideologies w/scripture and created some of their “own” doctrines(apparel, facial hair; to name a few). Experientialism: emotionalism/fanaticism dominated their services; instead of order, their was chaos. Dependence on feelings/outward sensations believed to be the Holy Ghost took precedence. They take so many scripture references out of context. So many so called “pastors” use fear to control their people while using those out of context scriptures to “keep them in line”. They manipulate, dominate, control. I’ve been doing more studying the last 8 weeks verses the 29 years I got in(at age 20). That’s all because I finally googled spiritual abuse and found an article: spiritual abuse with a secondary look at the UPCI. That’s when it started. Finding lie, after Lie, after LIE. I’m glad you got out of this cult. I’m right there with ya.

@IGNATIUS914

Жыл бұрын

like what please let me know the difference according to the scriptures

@hargisP2

11 ай бұрын

@@camillegrazier7188 They are speaking of the History of the Church. You obviously haven't done that. You are following pagan belief. So is Fabian.

@hargisP2

11 ай бұрын

It wasn't God that opened your eyes, it was Satan closing them.

Wow, I grew up in the UPCI and never knew women could be ordained!

@CKoinonia1

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they have been licensed since their inception and some have even founded UPC churches.

@jayt9608

2 жыл бұрын

@Zachary Lawson, how did you miss Sis. Eastridge, Sis. Freeman, Sis. Ellis, Sis. Bernard, and Sis. Mangun among others? I went to church in Kansas and the pastor's mother was an Ordained minister of many years and still preached occasionally. I heard another on Mother's Day this year in Kansas City.

@ZacharyTLawson

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayt9608 My dad asked me the same thing, lol. I guess I wasn’t paying attention. I mean, I knew about them and had heard them speak but I suppose I didn’t realize they were ordained. I was also a kid at the time, so, kind of clueless.

@jayt9608

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZacharyTLawson, lol I should not be harsh as I was raised in a preacher's home and had access to that information, and I occasionally forget that others may not know things that I assumed were common knowledge. 😁

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

I grew up as a Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal I did not know about the UPCI until I was 21 years old in my Oneness denomination it's call Apostolic Assemblies of the faith in Jesus Christ mostly. Hispanic founded in Los Angeles CA 1916 it came out of the Azusa street Revival 1906--09 I know a lot about the UPC and other Oneness deninations I got Baptized in UPC good fellowship

Praise God I am proud to be an Apostolic Christian I was once a baptist youth minister trinitarian and all. But I was re baptized in Jesus name Holy Ghost filled!

@PassportReasons

Жыл бұрын

And so you ignore and reject the relationship between the Father Son and Holy Spirit. While Jesus spoke to the Father and the Father replied you just ignore that. Or when Abaraham saw the three and called them Lord God... There was no "them" to you?

@Paisios77

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I was raised apostolic oneness but returned to orthodox christian faith.

@camslevin5534

Жыл бұрын

@@Paisios77 You returned to catholic tradition congratulations my friend

@Paisios77

Жыл бұрын

@@camslevin5534 you reek with ignorance

@PassportReasons

Жыл бұрын

@@camslevin5534 what does tradition have to do with it

Hi sir? Can i ask? Foursquare church is a Good church? And also the Seventh Fay Adventist?

@MgaTalunanKayo

2 жыл бұрын

Hi! Foursquare is recommended. SDA is mixed bag.

@magicwizardfrog2497

2 жыл бұрын

He has a video on foursquare here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mHqezdmLmdTQZMo.html I don’t believe he has a video on seventh day Adventists yet.

@henryjoseph3584

2 жыл бұрын

Seventh Day adventist adds a lot of non-scriptural and poorly interpreted doctrines to their faith and practice. I would recommend a Baptist church, specifically and independent baptist church if you'e looking for a common set of practices. No one group or denomination is perfect, but look for the ones that uphold the truth of scripture above all other doctrines.

@thetraditionalist

2 жыл бұрын

defiunitely don't join the seventh day adventists

@dsheppard8492

2 жыл бұрын

Dont join any church. You dont need a church in which to be misled by tithe taking con men called pastors. Serve God as the early church did. Home churches will help you some but the real work is on yourself to accomplish. Todays churches will feed you as steady diet of pablum and whatever pleases the ear. Jesus came to bring divisiona and a sword among the elite religious big wigs, he put them all down.

The information was fairly accurate. The UPCI only represents some Oneness Pentecostals tho. There are a lot of other Oneness Pentecostal organizations and Fellowships, and a large Independent Apostolic movement. You should make a video distinguishing between the different groups.

@jayt9608

2 жыл бұрын

That could get...interesting. A starting place would likely be the appendix of Our God Is One by Talmadge French, though that work will now be out of date by the formation of the WPF. But it would give him a few hundred to work through though. 😁

@jeramilltua-requena1497

2 жыл бұрын

This would be very interesting

@mikef6063

7 ай бұрын

Hi, I am interested in learning more about the independent Apostolic churches. I think that while the fundamental doctrines of Oneness and the gospel plan of salvation are unassailable, the UPCI has adopted other beliefs that diverge from scripture or go farther than scripture does, erecting unnecessary boundaries to the spread of the gospel.

@Michael-ow2gb

7 ай бұрын

What do you want to know?@@mikef6063

Why is there so many man made rules within the UPCI? The Bible says God sees the inside, man sees the outside. I choose Gods holiness. Not man made holiness. Other than that, I agree with Jesus name baptism. I also believe those who were baptized according to Matthew are saved as well. You must be baptized, filled with the Holy Ghost, and live a holy life. Not UPCI standard, but Gods standard.

One day you should do a bloopers video😂😂

The UPCI is a piece of doctrinal work at almost every turn! WOW!!! 👌👌

I was a oneness Pentecostal, UPCI, 5th generation, born and raised, bible school, licensed and ministered as one. I am now a trinitarian Dutch reformed, thank God for illumination and truth!

@floridapanhandling3136

2 жыл бұрын

I watched your interview with the Cultish guys a while back, very interesting. Out of curiosity, what are your current views on Spirit baptism and the various gifts? Especially since I'd assume you no longer believe that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation, as trinitarian Pentecostals would affirm.

@CDC39A

2 жыл бұрын

@@floridapanhandling3136 I certainly believe that the events in Acts and throughout the epistles took place and were a glorious demonstration of the power of God, but that they were purposed for the promotion, proclamation, and proof of the Gospel message that always proceeded or preceeded them. These events were descriptive but they aren't prescriptive. The primitive church is not the end all be all as some would ascribe. The church then is not more holy or better than the church now, if it were, then the gates of hell did triumph over Christ's bride and kingdom. Can God still heal? Yes. Can God still deliver? Yes. Can God still do the miraculous? Yes. He does every single day, even when we are not able to see or hear the proof thereof. Yet, this charismatic, emotionally fueled, incoherent chaos is not of Christ and certainly not of His body.

@AaronVriesman

2 жыл бұрын

@@CDC39A fellow Dutch Reformed here (CRCNA). Glad to have you!

@CDC39A

2 жыл бұрын

@@AaronVriesman URCNA here. It's glad to be had, I know some wonderful CRC here

@a.kamileon

2 жыл бұрын

yessir we love to hear it!!!

Luke 23:34 says “ Then said Jesus, Father forgive them for they know not what they do” KJV How do the oneness people view this passage? Every Penecostal church I have ever been in uses the KJV 🤷

@henryjoseph3584

2 жыл бұрын

Also 1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one It is clear that there are 3 distinctions in the Godhead, which throughout scripture, commune with each other and play distinct roles in the redemption of man. They each can bear witness to and for one-another, yet are all considered and worshipped as God in the scripture. To claim that it's just one God manifesting Himself differently at different times, effectively talking to Himself, ignores the very obvious relationship they have with each other. I don't think one-ness works when you get past a very surface level reading of scripture.

@mutsvaiv

2 жыл бұрын

@@henryjoseph3584 note that the 1 John 5:7 verse is only in the KJV. Not in other translations. That's because scholars agree that this verse you've just mentioned was fabricated (it wasn't in the original or copies of the original manuscript). So the verse put there mistakenly. So it was removed in modern translations. Check this for yourself.

@henryjoseph3584

2 жыл бұрын

@@mutsvaiv my least favorite thing is when people point to scholars and their spurious claims and say "go look it up" as if that is advancing discourse any further. A front page of Google headline does not make a strong argument. So here is my counter to you, God promises to preserve every word in scripture. Go look it up.

@mutsvaiv

2 жыл бұрын

@@henryjoseph3584 as noted in my previous comment. 1 John 5:7 is only in the KJV and not in other translations. I am not referring to google articles. It's clear as daylight when you open the Bible for yourself and compare and contrast 😉 It also seems like you may be struggling with cognitive dissonance. I.e Hearing another perspective may be uncomfortable. I don't disagree with you that God preserves the "scriptures". But what you call scripture may be different from what's being intended as scripture. For example, Jesus referred nearly everything he did back to the scriptures (basically the TanaK, the Hebrew Bible, not the NT obviously) So some verses on 1 John technically isn't "scripture" but it may refer to it in commentary form.

@henryjoseph3584

2 жыл бұрын

@@mutsvaiv you're question begging. I can say "just open the scripture and read and it's clear that it belongs" what is your evidence that it is not preserved, God inspired, scripture?

I just recently came out of the UPCI and this is an extremely accurate to what their beliefs are. Only thing I’ll correct is you seem to emphasize the foot washing but that’s honestly much more rare within the last 20 years that seems to be almost non existent

@hargisP2

11 ай бұрын

I was always oneness before I heard the term. God spoke to me through the Bible and in fact caused letters to rise up off the pages to speak to me. I never went to a Church until 6 or 7 moths after. I knew that God was directing my reading. Not once did I think of God as a trinity, or two. It wasn't till after going to a Church did I hear of a trinity. Who's right God or man? Unbelief is the problem. Everyone wants to make God smaller than He is, they want to make Him like the greek mythology gods.

@rijoab

9 ай бұрын

Jesus words Matthew 28:19 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I was raised United Pentecostal from a wee little one. The women wore their hair up in a bun and everyone wore maxi length dresses and skirts. They even swam in them. I did not. I swam in a swim suit and was told by my peers I was gonna go to hell for it. Eventually I broke away because my parents were wife swappers with this couple from 2 streets over and my dad took off with that man's wife, and my mom moved in with that man, whom I had known as 'Uncle Bill.' I was now to call him dad. My United Pentecostal preacher performed the wedding ceremony. Even at the age of 6 I knew it was sinful on everyone's part and I cried. When they asked me why I was crying I said it was because I was happy, but I was devastated. My father was extremely violent toward my mom and my little brother, though, so I guess it was for the best, but how is it I am the only one who understood at such a young age that our parents were wife swappers and they just traded permanently? My little ex step brother asked me life questions about our childhood a year ago. When I told him the truth he had such cognitive dissonance he just couldn't handle it. He stopped speaking to me. He's gone gray rock. I only told him the truth and explained to him that no matter the reason we became siblings for 12 years, I still considered him my brother. I don't think he agrees. I tried to reconnect with my old church but they have another banner instead of United Pentecostal. They call themselves the Evangelicals. I tried to talk to an old 'friend' from that church. No response. Oh, well. I don't trust churches. I trust God.

@hargisP2

11 ай бұрын

You were either in a Holiness Church, or lying. Holiness will tell everyone they are going to hell for all kinds of things.The Methodist were holiness. And your story about your dad and your mother is a lie, or again you are talking about a trinitarian church. You keep lying you will go to hell.

Came out of Upci years ago. Not a small doctrinal heresy

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

The only heresy that UPC and rest protestants teach is the tithing doctrine of old testament the Apostles never mention u must pay tithes 10% they took up offerings yes but churches today make it a heaven or hell issue it should be Voluntary if you can afford it some saints have good paying jobs others struggled with low paying jobs I'm on ss not pension

@willgold9705

Жыл бұрын

@@davidortega357 I wish you well with finances. Yes I agree tithing is not what New Testament giving is. When Christ told the Pharisees to tithe but not forget mercy, this pertained to provision for the theocracy. Paul taught the standard for us. Give in proportion as God has blessed you and cheerfully. Most definitely not tithing. I could not agree more. As for core doctrines of UPCI, may you continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ dear sir. 😊

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

Tithing was a commandment in old testament LAW it was FOOD , SPICES , CATTLE, PROPERTY, WOOD PRODUCT FIRE WOOD ANIMAL for sacrifices

So appreciative of the excellent work presented here! Glad to stand with the Apostles Peter and Paul, Baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus! They were right! There is none other name whereby we must be saved!

@a.kamileon

2 жыл бұрын

ya let's just casually ignore Matthew 28:19

@creekochee3592

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.kamileon Yes let’s just casually ignore Luke and Mark which both reference Jesus’s name. Also let’s ignore Acts, where the same disciples who just heard Matt. 28:19, start baptizing in Jesus name for the remission of sins.

@MrSuperKhotta

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.kamileon God is One, His Name is One. That's why Lord said to baptize in the 'Name' not 'Names' of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And The Apostles understood it and baptized people in the name of "Jesus'.

@theunknownone2189

2 жыл бұрын

@@creekochee3592 question: who did the baptism in “Jesus” name when all the baptisms took place?

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

Matthew 28 19 was Changed by the RCC in the second century it was originally like this go ye therefore and teach all nations in my Name that's why the Apostles went and did it in his Name of Jesus Christ no other name given among men where we are saved Acts 4:12

As others have said, their legalistic views are what I don't get. I also believe in the Trinity. Otherwise, they believe exactly how I was raised in the COG (Cleveland, TN). I attend a Baptist church now. Nice overview of Oneness groups!

HOLY BIBLE is inspired and infallible word of God. Holy Bible is without error.

The Oneness viewpoint confuses me because I have questions concerning to whom it was that Jesus prayed, the statement Jesus made concerning the end of the world where he clearly relates that the time is known only to The Father, and also the occurrences in Scripture where The Father identifies Jesus as His Son (Psalm 2:7, Hebrews 5:5 and Mark 1:11 come to mind). In John 1:1, The Word (The Lord Jesus Christ) is said to have been WITH God as well as being God. There are also verses where Jesus Christ is said to be at the right hand of God.

@kobymccarty6682

2 жыл бұрын

Do the prayers of Christ indicate a distinction of persons between Jesus and the Father? No. On the contrary, His praying indicates a distinction between the Son of God and God. Jesus prayed in His humanity, not in His deity. If the prayers of Jesus demonstrate that the divine nature of Jesus is different from the Father, then Jesus is inferior to the Father in deity. In other words, if Jesus prayed as God then His position in the Godhead would be somehow inferior to the other “persons.” This one example effectively destroys the concept of a trinity of coequal persons. How can God pray and still be God? By definition, God in His omnipotence has no need to pray and in His oneness has no other to whom He can pray. If the prayers of Jesus prove there are two persons in the Godhead, then one of those persons is subordinate to the other and therefore not fully or truly God. What, then, is the explanation of the prayers of Christ? It can only be that the man Jesus prayed to the eternal Spirit of God. God did not need help; only the man did. As Jesus said at the Garden of Gethsemane, “The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak” (Matthew 26:41). Hebrews 5:7 makes it clear that Jesus needed to pray only during “the days of his flesh.” During the prayer at Gethsemane, the human will submitted to the divine will. Through prayer He as a human learned to submit and be obedient to the Spirit of God (Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 5:7-8). This was not a struggle between two divine wills but the submission of the human will to the divine will. As a man Jesus submitted Himself to and received strength from the Spirit of God. Some may object to this explanation, contending that it means Jesus prayed to Himself. However, we must realize that, unlike any other human being, Jesus had two perfect and complete natures-humanity and deity. What would be absurd or impossible for an ordinary person is not so strange with Jesus. We do not say Jesus prayed to Himself, for this would incorrectly imply that the man was the same as the Spirit. Rather, we say that the man prayed to the Spirit of God, while also recognizing that the Spirit dwelt in the man. The choice is simple. Either Jesus as God prayed to the Father or Jesus as man prayed to the Father. If the former were true, then we have a form of subordinationism or Arianism in which one person in the Godhead is inferior to, not coequal with, another person in the Godhead. This contradicts the biblical concept of one God, the full deity of Jesus, and the omnipotence of God. If the second alternative is correct, and we believe that it is, then no distinction of persons in the Godhead exists. The only distinction is between humanity and deity, not between God and God. This verse (Matthew 27:46) cannot describe an actual separation between Father and Son because Jesus is the Father incarnate. Jesus said, “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30). The Bible states that “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (II Corinthians 5:19). Jesus was God the Father made manifest in flesh to reconcile the world to Himself. The cry of Jesus on the cross does not mean that the Spirit of God had departed from the body, but that there was no help from the Spirit in His sacrificial death of substitution for sinful humanity. It was not one person of the Godhead being deserted by another, but the man feeling the wrath and judgment of God upon the sins of humanity. There were not two sons-a divine son and a human son-but there were two natures-deity and humanity-joined in one person. The divine Spirit could not be separated from the human nature and life continue. But in His agonizing process of dying, Jesus suffered the pains of our sins. Dying became death when He yielded His Spirit. In other words, what Jesus meant when He cried, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” was that He had taken the place of sinful humans on the cross and was suffering the full punishment for sin. There was no abatement of suffering because of His deity. Since all have sinned (Romans 3:23) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), all humanity (except for the sinless Christ) deserved to die. Christ took our place and suffered the death that we deserved (Romans 5:6-9). Jesus was more than a courageous martyr like Stephen and more than an Old Testament sacrifice, because He died in our place and experienced for a time the death we deserved. On the cross, He tasted death for every person (Hebrews 2:9). This death was more than physical death; it also involved spiritual death, which is separation from God (II Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 20:14). No one alive on earth has felt this spiritual death in its fullest degree, because all of us live, move, and have our being in God (Acts 17:28). Even the atheist enjoys many good things such as joy, love, and life itself. Every good thing comes from God (James 1:17), and all life originates from Him and is upheld by Him. But Jesus tasted ultimate death-the separation from God that a sinner will feel in the lake of fire. He felt the anguish, hopelessness, and despair as if He were a person eternally forsaken by God. So the man Jesus cried out on the cross as Jesus took on the sin of the whole world and felt the eternal punishment of separation for that sin (I Peter 2:24). We must not assume that the Spirit of God departed from the body of Jesus the moment He uttered the words, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” The divine Spirit left the human body only at death. Hebrews 9:14 says that Christ offered Himself to God through the eternal Spirit. Moreover, Jesus told His disciples with respect to His death, “Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that he shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me” (John 16:32). Thus, the eternal Spirit of God, the Father, did not leave the human body of Christ until Christ’s death.

@kobymccarty6682

2 жыл бұрын

In speaking of the Second Coming, Jesus said, “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father” (Mark 13:32). Again, as a man Jesus did not know all things, but the Spirit of Jesus did. John 3:17 speaks of the Son as sent from God. In John 6:38 Jesus said, “I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” Jesus did not come of Himself, that is of His humanity, but He proceeded from God (John 7:28; 8:42; 16:28). The Son did not teach His own doctrine but that of the Father (John 7:16-17). He did not teach His own commandments but taught and kept the Father’s commandments (John 12:49-50; 15:10). He did not seek His own glory, but He glorified the Father (John 8:50; 17:4). All of these passages describe the distinction between Jesus as a man (Son) and the Spirit of God (Father). The man Jesus did not originate by the operation of the humanity, nor did the man Jesus come to display the humanity. The Spirit formulated the plan, conceived the babe in the womb, placed in that flesh all the character and quality of God, and then sent that flesh out into the world to manifest God to the world. In the end, that flesh will have completed its purpose. The Son will be submerged in God’s plan so that God may be all in all (I Corinthians 15:28). These verses describe the relationship of Christ as a man to the indwelling Spirit of God. If we interpret them as making a distinction between two persons called God the Father and God the Son, there would be a contradiction. We would have God the Son with the following characteristics that are not of God: He would not have any power of His own; He would not have full knowledge; He would not do His own will; He would have someone greater than Himself; He would have His origin in someone else; and He would eventually lose His own individuality. These scriptural facts contradict the concept of “God the Son.”

@kobymccarty6682

2 жыл бұрын

The term “Son” refers to the manifestation of God in the flesh. As a man Jesus is the son of God the manifestation of God in flesh because the Spirit of God caused the conception to take place in Mary’s womb. As to His divine nature, Jesus is the One God revealed in the Old Testament. As to his human nature, Jesus is David’s descendent begotten of God and born of Mary.

@kobymccarty6682

2 жыл бұрын

John 1 beautifully teaches the concept of God manifest in flesh. In the beginning was the Word (Greek, Logos). The Word was not a separate person or a separate god any more than a man’s word is a separate person from him. Rather the Word was the thought, plan, or mind of God. The Word was with God in the beginning and actually was God Himself (John 1:1). The Incarnation existed in the mind of God before the world began. Indeed, in the mind of God the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world (I Peter 1:19-20; Revelation 13:8). In Greek usage, logos can mean the expression or plan as it exists in the mind of the proclaimer-as a play in the mind of a playwright-or it can mean the thought as uttered or otherwise physically expressed- as a play that is enacted on stage. John 1 says the Logos existed as the mind of God from the beginning of time. When the fullness of time was come, God put His plan in action. He put flesh on that plan in the form of the man Jesus Christ. The Logos is God expressed. As John Miller says, the Logos is “God uttering Himself.”1 In fact, TAB translates the last phrase of John 1:1 as, “The Word was God Himself.” Flanders and Cresson say, “The Word was God’s means of self disclosure.”2 This thought is further brought out by verse 14, which says the incarnated Word had the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, and by verse 18, which says that the Son has declared the Father. In Greek philosophy, the Logos came to mean reason or wisdom as the controlling principle of the universe. In John’s day, some Greek philosophers and theologians influenced by Greek thought (especially by the Jewish thinker Philo of Alexandria) regarded the Logos as an inferior, secondary deity or as an emanation from God in time.3 Some Christian heresies, including an emerging form of Gnosticism, were already incorporating these theories into their doctrines and therefore relegating Jesus to an inferior role. John deliberately used their own terminology to refute these doctrines and to declare the truth. The Word was not inferior to God; it was God (John 1:1). The Word did not emanate from God over a period of time; it was with God in the beginning (John 1:1-2). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was none other than the Word, or God, revealed in flesh. Note also that the Greek word pros, translated “with” in verse 1, is the same word translated “pertaining to” in Hebrews 2:17 and 5:1. John 1:1 could include in its meanings, therefore, the following: “The Word pertained to God and the Word was God,” or “The Word belonged to God and was God.”

@kobymccarty6682

2 жыл бұрын

Numerous passages in the New Testament tell us Jesus sits on the right hand of God. Peter used this expression in Acts 2:34, quoting Psalm 110:1. According to Acts 7:55, Stephen looked up into heaven while being stoned to death and “saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God.” What does this phrase mean? Does this mean that there are two physical manifestations of God in heaven, God and Jesus, with the latter perpetually stationed on the right hand of the former? Is this what Stephen saw? A physical interpretation of “the right hand of God” is incorrect. First, no one has seen God at any time, nor can a human see Him (John 1:18; I Timothy 6:16; I John 4:12). God is a Spirit and as such He is invisible (I Timothy 1:17). He does not have a physical right hand unless He chooses to manifest Himself in a human form. We know Stephen did not literally see God apart from Jesus. If he saw two persons, why would he ignore one of them, praying only to Jesus? (Acts 7:59-60). If he saw separate physical manifestations of the Father and the Son, why did he not see the Holy Ghost as a third person? A careful reading of Acts 7:55 will support the statement that Stephen did not see God apart from Jesus. Verse 55 does not say Stephen saw the Spirit of God but tells us he saw “the glory of God” and Jesus. In verse 56 Stephen said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” The only visual image or person Stephen actually saw was Jesus Christ. Other problems arise if we take “the right hand of God” in a physical sense. Is Jesus sitting on the right hand of God as recorded in Acts 2:34, or is Jesus standing on the right hand of God as recorded in Acts 7:55-56? Is Jesus sitting on top of God’s outstretched right hand or is Jesus sitting next to God’s right hand? Is Jesus in the Father’s bosom? (John 1:18). What about Revelation 4:2, which describes one throne in heaven and One who sits on that throne? Does the Father sit on the one throne and does Jesus sit beside it? What about the fact that Jesus is the One seated on the throne? (Compare Revelation 4:2, 8 with John 1:8, 18.)

Nope. I will never be UPCI. This is very helpful!

@willgold9705

Жыл бұрын

Good call!

@hargisP2

11 ай бұрын

Who are you going to see in heaven? Three persons? If three persons that's tritheism, if only Jesus that's Oneness. There is only ONE thrown in Heaven, and only One who sets on it. This is what you are following...Colossians 2:8 (KJV) 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

@davidortega357

9 ай бұрын

Matthew 28 19 was Changed by the RCC in second century it was originally written go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in my Name. That's all we need to know the rest is history 2. Groups of believers Jesus name. And Trinitarians

What do they do with what the bible says "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word God"?

@wjdyr6261

6 ай бұрын

Logos or Word meaning God had a plan and thought to be fulfilled. Not a 2d person

"What distinguishes an expert scholar from a mere academic will always and forever remain the number of Scattergories boxes he keeps in his office." -Abraham Lincoln

I was at one time a member of UPCI, and even got a 2nd baptism in “Jesus name”. What concerns me is that the UPC teachers that all Trinitarian Christians are going to hell. Also, their beliefs about the Godhead contrary to what the Bible teaches. For example when Jesus Christ got baptized, the Holy Spirit descended upon him. If oneness beliefs were true, this wouldn’t be possible. I’m currently a Wesleyan Christian that passionately believes in The Trinity.

@samuellundin5328

2 жыл бұрын

God is omnipresent. This is a simple scripture for Oneness doctrine to explain.

@scm98

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuellundin5328what do you make of the two thrones in the book of Revelations? One for the Father and the Lamb, Oneness view makes God schizophrenic talking about himself.

@samuellundin5328

2 жыл бұрын

@@scm98 There are no two thrones in the book of Revelations. The ONE same throne is the throne of God and the Lamb. And his servants shall see his face ( singular) One face, Serve him( singular). The Trinity is later development. Codified in the 4th Century, this is the doctrine, that Moses, Isaiah and all the never knew about and never taught that you Trinitarians want to shove through the necks of everyone if not you brand them heretics. Not so, when God told his Covenant people in Deuteronomy 6:4 That hear of Israel the Lord our God is One. Did he in any way lack words to define the Trinity. Why will he teach them One God and not the Trinity?

@dsheppard8492

2 жыл бұрын

The holy spirit fell on "them" (autos ) as viewed by those looking on. They heard a voice,,, they thought came from heaven. Did it??? No.... the spirit felll on John adn Jesus proclaimed in a majestic voice, "this is my son in whom I am well plseased" Jesus was pleased with his servant John and called him a "Son" as he will all who are manifested as sons. Those who go on to fulll maturity. bringing forth 100 fold as John had done. The spirit then drove "him" into the wolderness to fast, which Jesus did not do as he stated himself. The devil tested the son,,, if you be a son of God then,,,,, What a joke this would be for Jesus the mighty God to be tested by a serpent creature he knew well. Jesus needed no angels to minister to him. rediculous. think about it.

@hanklhayes

2 жыл бұрын

You realize that Trinitarians believe that oneness Pentecostals are going to hell, right? It’s stated in this video.

There's a reason that modalism has been consistently rejected for the last 17 centuries. 😬

@MrSuperKhotta

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, Because WIDE is the WAY that leads to Truth! not!

@ttmatt_8250

2 жыл бұрын

Heretical according to the Europeans lol. How is it that this European Christianity barely reached anywhere else but Europe…? I guess for 1700 years only Europe was saved even though Jesus Christ said that the true gospel would reach every single tribe, nation, tongue, and language. The true gospel is: “REPENT (death), and be baptized in the name of JESUS CHRIST for the REMISSION of sins (Burial) and ye shall receive the gift of the HOLY GHOST (resurrection). For the promise is to you, your children, and ALL WHO ARE AFAR OFF.” (Acts 2:38-39). Friend, let me tell you something: when got baptized in the name of Jesus Christ on December 30th, 2018, I came up from the water speaking in tongues as the Spirt gave utterance! PRAISE GOD! This goes along with this: “And there are three that bear witness on earth: the SPIRIT, the WATER, and the BLOOD.” (1 John 5:8). That blood can only be applied through the water by calling on the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST (Acts 22:16) and the SPIRIT OF GOD bears witness to these two as well as He gives the utterance! PRAISE GOD! THANK YOU LORD JESUS! Amen.

@willgold9705

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

@davidortega357

Жыл бұрын

Satan hates the truth his the father of lies

If God is absolutely and indivisibly one, then who did He give to the world in John 3:16, who did Jesus pray to in Gethsemane and who appeared as a dove after He was baptized by John?

So they're basically modalists?

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