How do you like science fiction and cyberpunk? What are your favourite works? Do you enjoy silent films or film noir style films? Have you red Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep or seen Blade Runner? How do you like Blade Runner 2049? Tell me in the comments ^^ (feel free to post new comments instead of answering to this one; if the video will get older it's hard to see answers to existing comments) ► Social Media: ➥Twitter (@PhilosophGames): twitter.com/philosophgames ➥Twitch Channel - twitch.tv/thephilosophersgames ➥Discord Server - discord.gg/SPW68vh

@cyberpunkdarren

3 жыл бұрын

I read Neuromancer long time ago and was hooked after that.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I can imagine. It's a fascinating book. I also enjoyed reading "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?". Found my self thinking a lot about that book.

@alfredbass

Жыл бұрын

well, a few years ago, that i really appreciate the genre, i was more hooked to it, since kid, I always have loved the sci fi, i think i wasnt hooked before, cause Im a person that likes a lot of things, and sometimes i cant go deep enough in only one theme, right know, ivbeen trying to recreate the blade runner cinematic look in my photographs, and also got a pair of short films thas has some cyberpunk look that i hope this next 2023 i can finally film , I like the video a lot. keep it good!

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

@@alfredbass thank you and good luck and all the best with your project ^^

I watched Star Trek in 1966 when I was 16. I saw Star Wars 4 the first Saturday it opened in 1977. A pleasure to hear your insights.

Clear and comprehensive breakdown of the biggest influences. Metal Hurlant in particular gets very little play in these things normally and I was delighted you took the time to really show off Metropolis. Another great film from the 70s, although a flop I believe, was Logan's Run; Brilliant miniature-work for the time, dystopian control and ideological rebellion, implants, I always thought it was very proto-cyberpunk.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ yes totally forgot about that one, have seen it at some point, but it did not cross my mind 😅 Thanks for the hint though. Yes Métal hurlant is really impressive in that regard. I also found it really fascinating how some artists behind it are connected to the Scifi genre in film.

This is a really good well-researched video. Great job keep it up.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :) Happy you liked it so much. Was a ton of work too 😅

Thank you for creating this content. Such a thorough and interesting analysis. I also really enjoy your Tolkien content.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you too, happy you like my content ^^ Yes most people are here for the Tolkien related content 😅 But sometimes I also cover other topics.

@robertsambell3402

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames from one Tolkien fan to another I hope you continue what you are doing. The fact that English is not your first language is also crazy👍🏼👍🏼

I’m so glad I found this channel. Content like this makes my day I’m not kidding

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Happy you enjoy my content and found the way to my channel ^^ Just out of curiosity how did you find it? Was it suggested by YT somewhere?

@Wingedmagician

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames honestly I don’t remember. Must have been recommended.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

no problem, the possibility is high that is was due to some suggestions on the YT home page or next to a video, if I look at the data.

@MikaelKKarlsson

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps Sauron lured you here, as he did me? 👁️ 😁

@Wingedmagician

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikaelKKarlsson lol yeah that’s the one I remember but I couldn’t be sure so I didn’t say haha

Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? and Neuromancer are two of my favourite stories. Both novels pretty much defined the Cyberpunk Genre between them. The Cyberpunk Neo-Noir detective Video Game Snatcher was very much influenced by Blade Runner both visually and thematically. Cool video 👍

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ Yes both (+Blade Runner Visually + the Heavy Metal Magazine) were huge influences for the genre.

I have been a huge fan of cyberpunk since de 90s. I have seen most of the animes and movies you mentioned, read most of the seminal novels, I got some Metal Hurlant colletions back in the day, and little by little the cyberpunk infection has gotten into my system. I have read anthologies, literary criticism articles and essays, as well as numerous video essays on KZread, but no one ever mentioned the connection between German Expressionism-Film Noir-Cyberpunk. That was a piece that was missing until now. Thanks for the tip buddy, it may be crucial in the solving of this mystery that Cyberpunk is...

You are an inspiration and the quality of your videos are masterful. Keep it up !!!

Wonderful analysis I only usually only watch your Tolkien videos but I'm very glad I gave this a try.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, that means a lot to me :) I knew this video would be not as popular as a Tolkien video, but I really wanted to make it. I'm happy that some people still enjoyed it, even though the usually only watch my Tolkien related content.

When I was a young lad I watched my VHS Blade Runner video virtually every week! I've no idea how many times I watched it. Always though about reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep but never got round to it!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha sounds awesome ^^ I only watched it on TV first (don't ask me what version) in the early 2000s and then later bought the DVD with the Final Cut and started looking deeper into it, but that was in the late 2000s or early 2010s I think. So I was late to the party 😅 I really liked the book too, probably not for everyone, because it's more about ideas, but it's really thought very provoking (and different from Blade Runner).

@DavetheNord

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Also, it was most amusing to see a ref to that old Flash Gordan movie because that was one of the films my mother would keep me and my 3 brothers quiet while she made dinner with! :D Both films have fairly outstanding soundtracks too!

Hi TPG, Erst einmal ein großes Dankeschön für deine unglaubliche Arbeit und Zeit, die du für diese Video erbracht hast! Hier schnell auf deutsch, ich jage den Text gleich nochmal durch einen Übersetzer, da ich keine Zeit habe, auch noch alles zu übersetzen ;-). Cyberpunk ist neben Science-Fiction, Horror und Fantasy eines meiner eher seltenen Lieblingsgenres und ich freue mich, dass du dich den geschichtlichen Hintergründen in der (von dir gewohnten) Tiefe angenommen hast! Cyberpunk (und auch die Subgenres Steampunk, Biopunk, etc) fristen nach wie vor ein Nischendasein, das hoffentlich von Cyberpunk 2077 jetzt ein wenig aufgewertet und in das Bewusstsein der Konsumenten gebracht wird. Wundere mich sowieso seit Jahrzehnten, dass es nicht viel mehr Fans, vor allem im Internet gibt. Auf der anderen Seite zeigt Cyberpunk eben auch teilweise recht realistisch die dystopische Zukunft der Menschheit, versklavt unter Megakonzernen, NGOs und total kontrolliert, überwacht und untersdrückt. Diese möglichen Zukunftsaussichten wollen wohl nur wenige Menschen hören... Ich persönlich kam an das Thema als Jugendlicher heran mit dem damaligen Amiga-Spiel "Syndicate" von 1993, weiter mit System Shock 1994 und der Deus Ex-Reihe bis heute. Das Thema Games war in deinem Video leider ein wenig unterrepräsentiert, ist aber bei der Länge verständlich. Interessant waren die Ausführungen bis zurück zu Metropolis, was wenige Menschen überhaupt noch kennen werden. Weitere Filme (oder auch Serien!) mit Cyberpunkbezug kann man sich leicht aus Wikipedia ziehen. Gerne habe ich gesehen: Die Klapperschlange 1981, Robocop 1987, 12 Monkeys 1995, Gattaca 1997, Matrix 1999, Equilibrium 2002 uvm. Deine Anmerkung zu Westworld fand ich klasse, Yul Brynner war der Hit! Es gibt jetzt auch eine Westworld-Serie btw. Interessant auch deine Anmerkungen zu Anime (schön, dass du dich da auch auskennst!), in diesem Fall Akira und GitS. Mir fallen sofort noch Ergo Proxy und vor allem Blame! und alles weitere von Tsutomu Nihei ein, was unbedingt erwähnt werden muss. Fullmetal Alchemist ist auf jeden Fall Steampunk, wie auch weitere Animes und Mangas, in denen alte und neue Technologie vermischt wird -> Retro-Futurismus. Wenn man so will, dann auch in Teilen sogar beliebte Marken wie Naruto und weniger HunterxHunter, die solche Elemente aufweisen (und für mich damit noch interessanter werden). Ein großes und wichtiges Thema, das du gar nicht angesprochen hast war Musik! Musik ist einer der wesentlichen Träger von Spannung und Emotion in Medien und bringt eben auch genau dieses Cyberpunk-Feeling rüber, das wir so lieben. "Cyberpunk"-Musik (zB auch Dark Electro, etc genannt) fristet ein gewisses Nischendasein, daher sei für Liebhaber vor allem der Score von Cyberpunk 2077 empfohlen als sehr guter Einstieg. Ich habe übrigens unter anderem die Bücher von Philip K. Dick gelesen, fand die filmischen Umsetzungen aber teilweise besser, da diese auch story wise mehr auf die jeweilige Zeit angepasst wurden und ich soweiso ein Faible für CGI und gewaltige Bilder habe. Total Recall von 1990 ist einer meiner absoluten Lieblingsfilme, Minority Report konnte sich auch sehen lassen. Blade Runner werde ich mir noch heute nach ca. 20 Jahren mal wieder ansehen ;-) Wünsche dir noch einen schönen Tag und uns hoffentlich noch viele weitere (lange!) Videos. ---- Hi TPG, First of all a big thank you for your incredible work and time you have done for this video! Here, quickly in German, I'm about to run the text through a translator, because I don't have time to translate everything ;-). Cyberpunk is - next to science fiction, horror and fantasy - one of my rather rare favorite genres and I'm glad that you took care of the historical background in the depth (as you are used to)! Cyberpunk (and also the subgenres steampunk, biopunk, etc) still has a niche existence, which hopefully Cyberpunk 2077 will now upgrade a bit and bring into consumer awareness. I've been surprised for decades that there aren't many more fans, especially on the Internet. On the other hand, cyberpunk also partly shows quite realistically the dystopian future of humanity, enslaved under megacorporations, NGOs and totally controlled, monitored and oppressed. These possible future prospects probably only a few people want to hear about ... I personally approached the topic as a teenager with the then Amiga game "Syndicate" from 1993, further with System Shock 1994 and the Deus Ex series until today. The topic of games was unfortunately a bit underrepresented in your video, but that's understandable given the length. Interesting were the explanations back to Metropolis, which few people will even know. Other movies (or even series!) with cyberpunk reference can be easily pulled from Wikipedia. I enjoyed seeing: The Rattlesnake 1981, Robocop 1987, 12 Monkeys 1995, Gattaca 1997, Matrix 1999, Equilibrium 2002 and many more. I loved your comment about Westworld, Yul Brynner was a hit! There is now also a Westworld series btw. Interesting are also your comments on anime (nice that you know about that too!), in this case Akira and GitS. I immediately think of Ergo Proxy and especially Blame! and anything else by Tsutomu Nihei that definitely needs to be mentioned. Fullmetal Alchemist is definitely steampunk, as are other anime and manga that mix old and new technology -> retro-futurism. If you will, then also partly in even popular brands like Naruto and less HunterxHunter, that have such elements (making them even more interesting for me). A big and important topic that you didn't address at all was music! Music is one of the essential carriers of tension and emotion in media, and it also brings across that very cyberpunk feeling that we love so much. "Cyberpunk" music (e.g. also called Dark Electro, etc.) has a certain niche existence, so the score of Cyberpunk 2077 is recommended for enthusiasts as a very good introduction. By the way, I have read the books of Philip K. Dick, but found the cinematic realizations partly better, because these were also story wise more adapted to the respective time and I have anyway a soft spot for CGI and powerful images. Total Recall from 1990 is one of my absolute favorite films, Minority Report could also be seen. Blade Runner I will watch again today after about 20 years ;-) Wish you a nice day and hopefully many more (long!) videos.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Danke ^^ Very nice that you translated it to in English too, so other viewers know what is going on. Yes there are a lot of topics I sadly did not cover and I think I need to make a second part covering the time from the 80s to now. Esp. I regret not talking about William Gibson more, who also made one specific Cyberpunk style popular with Neuromancer (ofc inspired by the Heavy Metal magazine from the 70s) that is a bit different compared to Blade Runner. Cyberpunk 2077 is more in the style of Gibson using some of his terminology (Street Samurai, ICE, Night City, etc). Sadly Cyberpunk 2077's reception was not that great due to the technical problems and it being release while still in beta state. Even with current patch it still has problems, which shows that the game really needed another year of development time for a good release, though it's slowly getting better. I fear a bit that this might have a negative impact on the genre. I Also really love Ghost in the Shell, Total Recall (also written by Dan O'Bannon who also worked with Moebius on the mentioned the Long Tomorrow) and also Matrix. As you wrote there are also some great Cyberpunk games. Deus Ex (2000) is my favourite game of all time, but you also mentioned System Shock and Syndicate, etc. One could also mention Snatcher by Hideo Kojima from 1988. Yes as you say the 80s heavily influenced the music common for this genre, that's also a topic I could not fit into it. So I definitely feel the need for a part 2. Sadly the video did not perform too well to be honest, which I expected, but it performed even below my already low expectations, though I think it's one of the best videos I have ever made. Currently part 2 is not that high on my priority list as a result, but I definitely will make it at some point. I'm not looking too much at numbers (which is also a privilege), but ofc it's sometime hard to justify to put 1-2 months of work into a video while every thing else is on hold. This only works if the channels runs well and my passion for the project is there. As you say the Cyberpunk sub-genre is a bit Niche. One thing might be that it simply does not really provide "escapism" (it pretty much never does) like e.g. some fantasy stories and as such it's maybe not as appealing. Ofc there is also popular darker fantasy (e.g. A Song of Ice and Fire), but in fantasy you have a broader spectrum. Fantasy stories work with less, while in Cyberpunk or SciFi you often need a lot of exposition per definition and cover more "philosophical" topics. As a result fantasy can also be more character driven, while hard SciFi and Cyberpunk focus much on the "idea". As said Cyberpunk is really narrowly defined. So you always know what you get. If you don't like it, there is not much you can do. In e.g. fantasy subgenre's you find more variety I think. So It's a combination of a lot of factors and maybe only the fantasy/SciFi hybrid Star Wars manages to break out a bit (if they are not busy making abysmal films, meaning the sequel trilogy). I think in general (hard) SciFi is more niche. I think one can make the categories "focus on emotion" and "focus on the idea" for stories. And "focus on emotion" is always more popular, because the other one needs a lot of build up and a certain mindset of the viewer. If the idea is also so abstract or complex, you can easily lose the audience. I really loved Nolan's Tenet, but it's really difficult to think the idea of it through. The Transhumanism ideas of Cyberpunk are maybe easier to understand in cpmarison, but also can get really complex. While with "focus on emotion" stories you can be more character driven and create more relatable conflicts. For me a good SciFi story often makes me think when I red/saw the ending and in some cases the "thinking about the implications of the story" (the "idea") takes more time than seeing/reading it. I enjoy that, but that is different for other people, who want a more emotional experience (and there is nothing wrong with that). But I think this is why Cyberpunk (and to a degree hard SciFi in general) is niche and will remain niche.

This video was wicked good. Great work! You should be proud of this one :)

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, MasterRanger ^^ Long time no see (I think). Yes really happy with the video. Maybe I should have talked more about Neuromancer though 😅 (fee a bit bad for skipping over Gibson so much). But beyond that I really like it too. Was a ton of work though, but quite inspiring. I feel like I learnt something too, which is always great. I also searched for some free to use music, which I don't do for my Tolkien related videos. Was fun making the video ^^

I really enjoyed this! Great job friend!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Much appreciated :)

First of all, I love this video. You not only just flat out made a good video, but you also gave me some really good ways to describe to people what I like about the movie Bladerunner. Most of the people I know say that it’s boring, which although over all I think it’s great, but I see that too. But now all of the background, or I guess inspirations, that you added in here, I can give a batter description of why I like it. (I guess it helps that I’ve seen and read most of what you talked about in this video, ha ha.) You also showed me stuff that have slipped through the cracks of what I’ve experienced. Like The Long Tomorrow. I’ll have to find that and read it, I love Jean Giraud, or just French sci-fi, so I’m sure I’ll love this comic if I can find it. Before recently I never wanted anything cyberpunk. It was all hard sci-fi or nothing. Like Arthur C Clark, or something like that. Then that other video about the history of cyberpunk became visible to me. The four hour three parter. I’ve gone nuts about cyberpunk and your video is great like his, but I didn’t need to set aside time to watch it. I also like yours because of the attention to history of the genre you showed in here. I may be wrong about this, but if I was to add anything to this video it would be the story about how Scott showed Bladerunner to Dick and Dick loved it and said that he understood the book and actually liked the film better than his book. Which is funny considering how amazing all of Dicks books are. I may have that story all wrong though. Not sure. I’m sorry, I probably missed something. Seriously though, I loved it!!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Happy you enjoyed this video, thank you :) Yes I know there are some long and very good videos about cyberpunk already. I tried to add some interesting stuff for mine that's probably not in every video (like film noir, German expressionism, etc). I also plan to maybe make a part 2, where I focus on William Gibson and some martial (that I like) that came after 1982 (often films like Ghost in the Shell, maybe discussing Akria a bit more, later Matrix, etc). There is for sure a ton of stuff I missed, but you are right that would be an interesting addition. Also thank you for the long comment!

I really like this cyberpunk concept, along with the soundtracks, it's incredible... but I believe there will be a mix of ideas, cultures and technologies in the future, everything will depend a lot on the location, economic power, occurrence of earthquakes, etc.. .Middle Eastern cities like Dubai are the main candidates, but with this mix of old and current concepts...

In this context, one way to define the literary genre of 'science fiction' is to contrast it with its opposite literary genre 'Romanticism.' Science fiction stories spring from a conjectured reality in the external world that does not currently exist. Romanticism emanates from the internal, emotional world of a character. Genres can share features. It's where the emphasis lies that defines the genre.

"The streets find their own uses for things" - William Gibson

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes as said at the end, I feel bad for skipping over Neuromancer and Gibson so much. But I guess I mainly covered the time until Blade Runner and than had to come to an end. Maybe I make a 2nd part one day, where I will focus on Gibson's Neuromancer, Ghost in the Shell, maybe Akira and ofc The Matrix ^^.

@heinrichkornelius

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames one focused more on literature? That would be most welcome! 😀

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha true, but the motivation for the video was a bit to find an excuse to talk about films I like 😂

Well this is a surprise! Great video too as always ❤❤

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Eldox, happy you enjoyed it! Yes always wanted to make a video about Cyberpunk. it was kind of a passion process.

Highly informative and incredibly well researched video- thanks!!!!

My favorite Cyberpunk pieces are: Blade Runner Blade Runner 2049 Ghost in the Shell Akira Altered Carbon Psycho Pass Cyberpunk 2077

@ThePhilosophersGames

10 ай бұрын

pretty good selection ^^

Interesting video! It seems whenever we try to "distill" genres into concrete definitions, the more illusive they become. Although Blade Runner has elements associated with film noir, I don't think cyberpunk needs to have noir elements. The Matrix does not, but is still cyberpunk. One of the best definitions I've heard for cyberpunk is that it's a "combination of lowlife and high tech". This is mirrored in the the aesthetic, which juxtaposes technology against a grungy, urban setting where most people live in poverty and semi-squalor. Actually, The Batman (2021) felt like a cyberpunk aesthetic to me, although the tech/science fiction elements weren't there to make it legitimate cyberpunk. Interestingly, though, I think it might be considered a "modern noir" film.

@gawkthimm6030

Жыл бұрын

post-superhero noir...

Cool! Can't wait to watch this!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy, I hope you like it ^^

I finally found a video about Cyberpunk in general and NOT about Cyberpunk 2077 😇

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Have to admit the (at that time) upcoming Cyberpunk 2077 release inspired me to make it. Hope you enjoyed it ^^

Masterclass of a video 👌

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, much appreciated. I need to make a part 2 (covering the time after Blade Runner) at some point I think 😄

Pure SF novels: James Patrick Hogan, with the Giants series; starting with Inherit the stars. I like this serie very much. William Gibson with Neuromancer; cyberpunk novel. Also Mona Lisa overdrive by Gibson.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes sadly I skipped over e.g. Neuromancer so much =/ But I guess I only covered things until Blade Runner and than came to the end. A second part is needed ^^

Thank you for this profound and well researched (as far as I can assess :D) video! Very interesting! Are you from Germany by any chance?

@ThePhilosophersGames

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. It was a lot of work so much appreciated ^^ hah yes I'm from Germany. Can't hide the accent 😄

@charsy

10 ай бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames was rather for your correct pronunciation of the German terminologies and not as much about the accent 😁

@ThePhilosophersGames

10 ай бұрын

haha yes, there I have an advantage - for once 😂

Thank you for this video.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

much appreciated, glad you enjoyed it ^^ Still needs a part 2 to be honest 😅 But currently other projects occupy my time completely.

Amazing video, and a great overview on the cyberpunk genre. Since you mentioned Casshern, its likely that that series was inspired by 8-Man, which has a similar concept and protagonist. 8-Man was the "Robocop" of his day. And while Casshern is often called an "android", he is actually a cyborg. Other cyberpunk series Japan has given us include well-known titles like "Ghost in the Shell" and "Battle Angel Alita".

@ThePhilosophersGames

11 ай бұрын

Thank you ^^ Oh very interesting. I only know very few Japanese manga and co. from the 60s and did not know about 8-man. I guess there is always an older inspiration 😄

@MatthewTheWolf2029

11 ай бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames No problem. And yes; that is right. You see, 8-Man was created by Kazumasa Hirai and Jiro Kuwata (both of who are no longer with us now). The character debuted in 1963 with his own manga and a TV series. The series hasn't had as many reiterations as other older series have, which explains its obscurity. But 8-Man is very similar to Robocop, because he was a police officer before he became a cyborg. And he underwent the same procedure as Casshern in which he had his essence transferred from his human body into a robot body. So he and Casshern share that in common with Major Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell. And the reason why he's called 8-Man is because he's the 8th experiment.

Would be cool if u did a review of Cyberpunk, would love to hear ur opinion

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

yes maybe after I complete it or am close to it ^^ I definitely think about it.

cyberpunk seems like would coming true soon by the signal of the openai in early 2023!

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

haha true 😅

I have an alternative question. Does cyberpunk have to be set in a future setting? Could you have a cyberpunk setting in the 1930s, or would that just be film noir? And also, does cyberpunk have to be set in OUR future. Could cyberpunk be set in a world that’s not earth, and if so would that categorize Star Wars as cyberpunk?

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

It could be set in another world. Star Wars does not focus on the typical themes if Cyberpunk. In a way Star wars is a bit "punk", but it's not really cyber if that makes sense. Time is relative. Cyberpunk is not limited to the future, because from our perspective Blade Runner plays in he past (it plays in the year 2019 or Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep plays in 1992 ^^). Important are in my opinion themes and style.

@pogicus89

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames well that also opens the question of does cyberpunk have to be inherently pessimistic and dark? Basically what would it be called to have a lighthearted and optimistic version of blade runner or something with blue clear skies and happy androids. Like overwatch or something. Is that just classified as futuristic? That has all of the cyber but none of the punk.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

We have something like this with Star Trek (a very optimistic world at least in TNG), but that is just considered science fiction. The science fiction subgenre Cyberpunk is really about those dystopian worlds and the other ingredients I listed - as explained in the video. It's quite strict in that regard. Cyberpunk is just a sub category of science fiction. In a way cyberpunk is also a phenomenon of the 80s and we have today this hommage cyberpunk, but I guess the genre does not really develop much further, maybe one day that will change again. In the 80s it just happend that we got several works of that style in a row (it was something new and the works were similar enough to find a category for them -> Cyberpunk), but this is ofc different today.

@TallicaMan1986

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly probably not. One of the fundamentals in cyberpunk is Electricity. Literally everything in cyberpunk has electricity flowing through it. 1930s would heavily lean into Diesel Punk instead due to the lack of technological infrastructure world wide. In cyberpunk more often than not. The entire city is connected digitally electronically and its citizens reflect that by being just as entwined or artifical as the buildings surrounding them. Also it's in the name. Cyber. I dont see 1930s having sophisticated enough to operate on a digital level as they were all pretty Analogue back then.

@TallicaMan1986

2 жыл бұрын

@@pogicus89 this genre is called Solar Punk.

Considering the number of "cyberpunk" videos recommended to me on YT, it's clear that the genre remains hugely popular in visual mediums but I'm not sure there's much going on in cyberpunk fiction these days. Any recent recommendations?

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I think the biggest "recent" things were the film Blade Runner 2049 (which is really good) and the video game Cyberpunk 2077 (which launch was controversial due to all its technical problems, but is no with patches much better; it's heavily inspired by William Gibson and Neuromancer). Cyberpunk is nothing new though, I found the story decent and it fun to play, but it does not bring much new story wise or re-invents the genre. But it's a decent game with patches and the right hardware + visually quite impressive.

Imagine thinking star wars is science fiction. It's a space fantasy all day long.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Ай бұрын

It's a mix of a lot of things. It's not very focused on covering "SciFi" topics, themes and elements and has some roots also in mythology. But it's close enough to classic SciFi, to boost the SciFi genre as a whole. There was a long time (in Film) where SciFi was basically dead and Star Wars revived it. Films like Blade Runner or Alien or shows like Star Trek TNG are also results of Star Wars' success. It's not hard SciFi, maybe not even soft SciFi, if you want to make this distinction, but it has enough SciFi elements in it, that it is connected to the SciFi genre and had an impact on it. You could argue that other sources like the Heavy Metal Magazine (e.g. The Long Tomorrow) influenced Cyberpunk, as William Gibson (Neuromancer) would point out. But the attention and willingness by media companies (including book companies) to invest into this genre was for sure influenced by Star Wars and it's success. Even if one would not like Star Wars.

Anyone into The Amaranth Chronicles series? This shits gonna be big.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Not heard about it yet, is it good?

Neuromancer is way more like the matrix than it is blade runner…

@ThePhilosophersGames

6 ай бұрын

yes maybe. I think I say something like that both (Neuromancer and Blade Runner) are two different flavours of Cyberpunk. And William Gibson also changed Neuromancer to not make it look too similar. Both have though the same inspirations and both have their similarities. I agree though that they are also quite different in many ways.

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@ThePhilosophersGames

9 ай бұрын

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How do you just skip over William Gibson?

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I feel bad for that. I mention him ofc and some interviews and his inspirations too.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Just to add to my answer (I thought a bit about it, it also helps when you have slept a night after a video release): I guess in a way may video only covers the time until Blade Runner came out and then I had to come to and end only skipping through what came after it for completeness sake. I wanted to complete the video a week ago and worked like 2 month on it in parallel. Longer "editorial" videos are time consuming to make. Maybe I make a part 2 or a post Blade Runner video one day. In that one Neuromancer would clearly be a main focus. I also always wanted to make a The Matrix analysis video, which also borrowed ideas from Neurmancer. So I guess the topic cyberpunk will come back.

@morpheus24

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Your vid does have a focus on movies. Nothing wrong there. Gibson does represent a midpoint in the niche development, with the Sprawl books and his early short-stories. From Harlan Ellison, a big influence on Gibson, to many other writers influenced by Gibson. I like your stuff. I look forward to it.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, much appreciated!

So close to being first! I didn't get the update!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you enjoy the video ^^

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@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

thank you ^^ Happy you liked it :)

You do realize that the movie 2001 wasn't popular when it came out, since it's only real merit are visuals and even those are problematic due to have been plagiarized from 1950's Soviet sci-fi.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

It's one of Kubrick's best films, and it does not matter, if it was popular when it came out or not. Blade Runner was also not popular when it came out, still was influential. I also only mention it once I think. From what does it borrow?

@GeekFilter

2 ай бұрын

2001 was not a flop when it came out. It was a big hit ending up the second highest-grossing film of 1968. It was especially popular science geeks, budding filmmakers, people who used recreational drugs and people under forty in general. Critics love to pull out negative reviews and interviews of people from the time who thought it was obtuse nonsense but those do not represent the majority of the audience. And I think you may be confusing inspiration and cultural influence with plagiarism.

I always liked cyberpunk, but somehow, I never have had a real favorite in that genre. Early Deus Ex comes close to that, in terms of narrative especially. And it's not like later Deus Ex titles are scrubs in that regard. Then.... Serial Experiments Lain. A study of how Japan has handled the technological changes it helped spearhead. How lonely many have become. What it means for interpersonal relationships. It saw so much coming. And whether it's the pandemic or technology that makes one feel alone, Lain provides a musing, even if not a solution.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Deus Ex from 2000 is also my favourite game of all time with Final Fantasy VII. Also Final Fantasy VII, which is maybe closer Steampunk with some SciFi ideas too (some say it's Cyberpunk too). In this regard it seems i always loved SciFi and Cyberpunk. Doing research i really learnt to appreciate some other works again. Akria and Ghost in the Shell are fantastic, so is Metropolis (and M, but that is not SciFi ^^).

@Sublimeoo

3 жыл бұрын

​@@ThePhilosophersGames Touche, those are my two favourite old games too xD

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

you have a good taste it seems ^^ Also merry Christmas

@Sublimeoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Merry Christmas

Roughly around 39:54 you mentioned big companies care about money is an artificial and today virtual construct created by mankind??? That has been from the very beginning of the humankind, money and/or power. It is also at least naïve to consider government would force big companies to respect employees and customers. It is revolting how often politicians are left out of the equation while in reality their symbiotic relationship with big companies is quite evident throughout the history... Politicians couldn't care less!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes ofc money was for a long time a construct to allow easier trading and keep people's greed in check (I assume that was more a side effect though). But there were historically some partially "exceptional" times that could be debated, so I worded this a bit careful. E.g. when money was bound to an gold equivalent, etc. Depends where you are from I guess (and on the politician 😅 I know a lot don't care, some do though inside their limits of the political game). E.g. in my country (Germany) companies would treat people much worse, when certain laws wouldn't exist. It does not mean everything is perfect or that economy wouldn't takes a ton of influence on the law making side, but it could be far worse here. An example is: laws forced Valve to implement a 14 days refund policy on Steam, because in Germany (actually in all EU countries) it's your right being able refund online purchased things within 14 days (basically no questions asked, with some special rules) and they can't revoke that right by simply writing it in their terms of service, so if they want to operate in Europe, they have to comply with the law. Valve would have never done this without those laws in place. Same with other paid vacation days, healthcare, pension, etc. Ofc some laws are stupid, greedy, focus too heavy on corporate interests and greed or are poorly executed, but not all laws are that way - at least here.

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@ThePhilosophersGames

2 ай бұрын

English with their 1000 diphthongs 😂

@lukasaquino2226

2 ай бұрын

Had to create a "save point", but now I'm going until the end. Thanks for the highly informative and incredibly well researched video! I also really enjoy your Tolkien content. @@ThePhilosophersGames

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 ай бұрын

Ah understood ^^ I thought it was related to my strange pronunciation of a word Glad you liked the video and my Tolkien stuff ^^ The Cyberpunk video was a cool project, which took a long time to make (I always think about making a part 2 for the years 1982+ at some point). On release it did also very poorly view wise, but did then pretty decent over time.

Cyberpunk!! Bro u got it? Cool I would get it at some point but wait until it's a bit... polished. The bugs and glitches are annoying but for me the true disappointment is that it's not a rpg. It was advertised as 1 no?:/ I'm sure it'll still be great but when I heard it wasn't a rpg I wasn't happy

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it's a bit shallow I guess, if you expect an RPG. I still like it, though it would have needed far more development time. It has a ton of bugs. I'm not very far into the game, but so far the story is interesting, I like the characters and just driving around is fun. Visually really impressive, but there could me more interactions options with the world. On the other side CD Projekt games are usually more focused on a story and different from elt's say an RPG like Divinity: original Sin (or the new Baldur's Gate).

@philsoro491

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames The witcher 3 for me is still the greatest game ever made. I used to think skyrim was for a while but changed my mind. Cyberpunk needed another few months to develop in reality but I think it was a $ decision to release. I still have faith in CD project red they're great. By far best game publishers & the dlc is free. They're not like yucky companies such as EA, ew. Or Activision. Rockstar is going further down the corporate path too, it's sad. When they announced GTA 5 for ps5, before it, everyone was hyped because they thought it was something new & fans collectively held their breath for bully 2 (canis canem edit) but got GTA 5... oh joy... 😒

Csc here lol 🤖⚖️🧛🧟🌐🌎

What is Thyberpunk?

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

I'm not a native English speaker and my native language has no TH sound. So it happens that I sometimes TH an S sound, when there are a lot of S & TH switches. Believe me I hate that as well.

What is this? I subbed to you for YEARS! Before anyone even noticed you. This is a Lord of the rings channel! Cyberpunk is the farthest thing from LOTR! Please Sir, more lord of the rings!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but I do some other topics at times too (that was always the case). My channel is also a gaming channel and I personally enjoy a bit of SciFi. But don't worry more Tolkien videos are coming too.

@monkeytennis8861

3 жыл бұрын

Chill Winstan!

First

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

You and C Man-hack are pretty close ^^

Not first

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

almost ^^

@stalfather

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames can u make a video on assassin's creed* Just saying that it would be cool

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

The new one or in general? I'm sadly not really into Assassin's Creed, so that is very unlikely sorry =/

That accent LOL. Cya.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Ай бұрын

see you ^^

1:15 in and video didnt grab my attention. Sorry but . . . NEXT!?! *clicks next video*

@ThePhilosophersGames

7 ай бұрын

no problem ^^ Hope you found something, that you liked more

Cyberpunk the definition literally means "high tech ,low life" that's it it's not that complicated

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

To answer what something is, you also have to look how it came to be. If I would ask: "who are you" and answer: "a human", it is not really satisfying or interesting, actually redundant. There's more to the question and I wrote in the title that it's also about the origin of the subgenre.

@danInRealife

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames 🙄👍🍻

Bro sorry with all respect i couldnt watch thiswithout laughing Why dont you use some pc-generated voice?

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Computer voices have less personality and the feedback on my voice and accent are also not completely negative. Some people even seem to like it, though ofc being a natice speaker + having a fantastic voice for sure is a plus 😂 I have a couple of videos with more than 400k views and complaints about how I speak are usually small minority. Sometimes there are a couple of persons who don't like a voice, and that's fine, but there is nothing one can do. That's the way I talk and computer voice stuff imo only works on e.g. tutorials, less on video essays. And I would consider this niche video here quite successful and so far people seem to like it. So why should I change anything?

Over 2 minutes and the guy is still trying to define sci-fi 🤦🏻‍♀️

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

I think the definition part is almost 8 minutes long. Was imo a very interesting one.