in cyberpunk 2077 it's not about saving the worl d, it's about saving yourself.

@squigglesmcjr199

Ай бұрын

BURN CORPO SHlT

@thrash2429

Ай бұрын

That’s cyberpunk in general.

@ShreddedSteel

Ай бұрын

Which is something we could do with more of

@jivepsilocybe993

Ай бұрын

​@@thrash2429 I second this. It's the point of the ENTIRE genre.

@mate53

Ай бұрын

I've been playing that game recently (not even done with it yet) and now I can't stop seeing the inevitable future happing all around me.

Me and my best friend jokes about how we live in a shitty cyberpunk world. We have the megacorps and social problems but don't have the cool cyberware ect.

@CuttinInIdaho

Ай бұрын

I say this all the time lol

@FlintTD

Ай бұрын

"We live in the stupidest of all possible cyberpunk dystopias."

@justinianthegreat1444

Ай бұрын

True!

@SpoopySquid

Ай бұрын

You'd think they'd at least let us bring neon lighting back but nope, can't even have that

@justinianthegreat1444

Ай бұрын

@@SpoopySquid we're starting to have neon lights, especially in Asia. We just have to wait and start the trend of neon lights

Cyberpunk is blowing up RN because it’s a relevant critique of our current society taken to its extreme. It’s a great Genre to reflect on.

@ifelse10110

22 күн бұрын

Spot on !

"Despite our unprecedented level of connectivity, we find ourselves more isolated than ever before" is so true. We are getting slowly detached with reality.

@ThePartisan13

Ай бұрын

I disagree.

@Obelg

23 күн бұрын

@@ThePartisan13 Loneliness is rampant all over the world. Small, tight-knit communities are thrown aside in favor of massive forums made of thousands to millions of strangers. The amount of true friends people have is dropping, the amount of loners with none is in the double digit percentages and rising depressingly fast. You might not feel lonely, you might not meet people who are isolated. It is because these people are not available to be met, sitting in their rooms, coming out only to do the bare necessities, whether it be for anxiety, lack of social skills or personality issues.

@Yuki2501-yh4ik

23 күн бұрын

We are connected, but the world wide web has become like a spiderweb, with megacorps at the center and we can't break free.

@ThePartisan13

23 күн бұрын

@@Obelg The last bit you said nearly describes me to a T. I am alone, but I am not lonely. I have a group of friends I game and talk with on discord that I wouldn't have ever met without it. Same with my gf. These are people I know and care about. The flipside is that there are people who are surrounded by others that they know from the time they get up to the time they go to bed and still feel absolutely alone. Despite what you think the introverts like myself are still in the minority.

@spacetang

23 күн бұрын

I also disagree. Some people are losing touch with reality. Others are deeply aware of the nature of reality, and are suffering way more as a result of that.

My favorite aspect of 2077 that goes over most people's heads is that it's a story about fighting for the right to chose who you are and all the characters are that way. Jackie Wells who had just done what he needed to in order to survive woke up in a hospital bed realizing how easily it can end. He would eventually chose to be a new man, deciding that being who he wanted to be for six months was better than being a person he hated for a lifetime. It was better to live as a man he wanted to be, even if each major step utterly terrified him. Yorinobu Arasaka had his life lain out before him and refused it. He refused to be a tool of domination and decided to chose who he would be. He was the sort of man who would walk in a doll house and find the living thinking woman inside. He tried to destroy his father's creation from the outside but failed, so he chose to feign submission wearing the mask of his demon family so he could destroy it from the inside. He never gave up who he was. The discovery of the Araska mass driver program, forcing Araska to murder some of the space council voting members? Clearly Yorinobu was the mole that leaked it. Panam Palmer, faced with conflict within and without her nomad family. Torn between her loyalty to those close to her and her refusal to submit and quiet her conscience. In the end her conscience won and saved all she cared for. Evelyn Parker, the living doll. A puppet for others to use. Even the Voodoo boys only saw her as a puppet to get what they really wanted. She was determined to finally cut her strings and be her own master. It was her determination to define herself against all of her oppressors that set the main plot in motion. Rogue... A woman who survived the death of Johnny by making a deal with the devil. She became jaded and used people just as she was used. In the end however, she was inspired to finally fight to break her chains and become a free agent again. And Johnny... Johnny who was so full of rage, hated and suffering bile that he went on a crusade. Instead of triumphing he woke up to realize he was the very thing he hated. He was devouring someone else self and there was apparently nothing he could do to stop it. So with great difficulty he chose to be better. Even if it would cost his life he would at least save one soul. If he could save the soul he was devouring then he could forgive and save his own. This isn't even addressing V which is a very clear and blatant "choosing who she wants to be." Story.

@Cyromantik

22 күн бұрын

That was very well written and poignant.

That's pretty simple: we're starting to live in a cyberpunk world. AI isn't a futuristic concept anymore; virtual reality is becoming a routine; everyone has their bank accounts, passports and overall personal data online; e.t.c. In my country you can even pay taxes through the government's official website, which is convenient, but implies things that are scary af if you think about it for a while. Cyberpunk is far closer to us than we'd want to.

What Is Driving The Cyberpunk Renaissance? The fact that people are realizing we are already living in the early stages of a cyberpunk dystopia.

The path to liberation is that technology is used to decrease the amount of time people spend at work, *not*, that the time they are at work is more productive. What it should be is that the work of 1 hour today reflects the work of 8 hours yesterday, and so, you are paid the same, and sent home with another 7 hours in your day. But that, wouldn't increase profit. That, wouldn't be advantageous. That wouldn't be the way to outcompete your competitors.

@05Matz

22 күн бұрын

Indeed, that's the fundamental problem here. Technological advancement isn't being used to do the most good for people, it's being used to increase corporate profits. Instead of each minute of labour shaved from the production of an item _saving the worker a minute of labour for the same total pay_ as a just world would, it's being used to increase the amount of profit the owners extract from that worker in the same amount of work, or to cut the worker's hours and pay for the same amount of profit extracted (thus a greater profit to expenses ratio), or some combination of the two.

I believe media always prepares humanity for the future the big companies are creating, so perhaps, we will live in a cyberpunk-like future, we are just being prepared, psychologically, for it

@konstantinrebrov675

17 күн бұрын

Yes, quite a lot of movies and video games are showing what's planned in the future. I think that your theory of psychologically preparing the masses is valid.

there's something deeply ironic about all the AI art used here

@Pneumanon

23 күн бұрын

There is a lot of irony in pop culture cyberpunk. The cyberpunk games (TTRPG & videogame) tend to unintentionally reinforce some of the most negative aspects of the genre. The most fun things to do in those games is get cybered up and kill people en masse. What should be an horrific side effect of living in a world of highly advanced technology and dehumanising moral decay turns out to be the selling point of these games. I know, because I have played them and, to an extent, enjoyed them myself. The irony is similar here, where an exploration of “high tech, low life” is coupled with non-stop images generated by advanced technology which steals work from human artists, impoverishing them in the process. On a meta level, these apparently unconscious contradictions only strengthen the critiques of society that cyberpunk poses, though they bode very poorly for the future.

@tarushdei

20 күн бұрын

I was going to say. It felt weird at the start, and then it just kept going. Was going to give this creator my support, but they are contributing directly to the problem.

@Karl_Marksman

19 күн бұрын

are you sure it's AI? It looks like mostly pretty good drawings to me, which ones are AI?

@dishcleaner2

19 күн бұрын

You’re right! He should pay royalties to Von Neumann’s family for using his computer architecture too! I bet he didn’t even wipe his mind. Think of all of the ideas he plagiarized! I bet his devices were assembled by pseudo-slave labor in China. What a dick!

@sperzieb00n

19 күн бұрын

@@Karl_Marksman probably AI based upscaling on some, though none of them looked purely generated to me

It does feel like most people are subconsciously aware of the cyberpunk future we're heading to. Everyone see's it but some haven't put the connection together just yet.

@ifelse10110

27 күн бұрын

Exactly, I think we will be missing the cool aesthetic but largely the thematic issues highlighted in cyberpunk are becoming true. At least I think so.

@Faminetheblack

26 күн бұрын

@@ifelse10110 Oh absolutely, I even expect the aesthetic of the country to kind of start shifting little by little to a more cyberpunk one. Some places in korea and china have already started looking pretty close. Regardless, I think even the most hardcore company man would admit to corps having too much power now.

Thank you for acknowledging Mr. Robot, it’s so underrated

The part where you refer to the return of slave labour in Cyberpunk, was good… It comes full circle to the video title… Because the hard pill to swallow, Is that we are in that same phase of humanity, Just preliminary, Indentured servitude, That is nothing more than slavery, Rebranded, Under another name. With extra steps, If you will We will decay into this

@jingbot1071

16 күн бұрын

You know that the suits don't have cyberware yet, right?

@ShreddedSteel

16 күн бұрын

@@jingbot1071 I don't believe we need to be physically hindrered or restrained to be in slavery ... If you don't subscribe to the idea of nescience and manipulation as slavery, though, That's understandable

@jingbot1071

16 күн бұрын

@@ShreddedSteel Certainly. This only amplifies my point. If servitude is the only option, why not avenge yourself?

simple capitalism is squeezing the working class hard and we're getting fed up with it.

@07wrxtr1

21 күн бұрын

Is it “capitalism” when 600 corporate monopolies payoff daddy government to not enforce antitrust (anti monopoly) legislation that’s been around for over 100 years Or Is it fascism - where daddy government and corporations collude in a symbiotic relationship to own and control everything? What we have is market failure when you nolonger have competition and there goes innovation as well… Worse: You’re forced to be apart of the problem by buying from or working for the very corporations that hate all of us. This is why they rebranded themselves as “stakeholders” so your typical adhd “cool story bro” types never look at the collusion happening What do you think Davos and the WEF and our state department is all about?

More and more of my cyberpunk short stories are getting published. I bring in “urban” voice to cyberpunk; Central American and Caribbean immigrants struggling in the setting, amplifying the now surfaced child labor found in industrial meat packing (it’s been that way for a decade now) and other exploitive practices and toning down the Asian stereotypes. Plus I add heart by adding elements of family.

I was around for the first wave. The joke for years has been that we're already living in the prequel to Bladerunner

In the cyberpunk genre, the powers that be, are too powerful to overthrow, and doing so would spit something nastier out of the vacuum. The genres main core for characters, is usually the need for self preservation.

that is because cyberpunk is becoming our reality in the 2020's back in the 80s it was dismissed as sci-fi,not anymore

Lol, I had you at 0.8x for a minute and was like 'why is this guy slow?' Turns out I was the slow one. I wrote a near-future sci-fi, which is very much in the cyberpunk genre which did not have the neon, but had many of the same themes. "We don't watch media, it watches us," is especially apt.

Renaissance? Cyberpunk has never left!.

@jingbot1071

16 күн бұрын

Amen (Break)

Good cyberpunk doesn't master end-of-history capitalism, it just makes the emotional reaction that much more relatable. It's the true literary meaning of catharsis being an intellectual engagement with harsh truths being taught by the gods of experience rather than the false idols of a better life when all that's good is absolutely dead. And that's our world and we know it.

Man I should rewatch bladerunner

Cyberpunk has always had climate change in the background. If you melt those ice caps where does all that water go? There's a reason it's always raining in the future...

But what resurgence? There has been no new major IP in this genre for almost 30 years. The cyberpunk 2077 is love letter to the tabletop game from 90’ - it happened only because CD Projekt founders were massive fans. Altered Carbon is not only based on older material but also released like 5yrs ago.

Back in the 90s it was cool escapism to a crapsack-y dystopia, intruiging but no more realistic than Back to the Future. Today, where we already had a Biff-presidency (and very likely will get another one) it's more like a trailer for what's to come... ...Probably without the cool music and the chrome. Because we can't have nice things, not even in the dystopian future.

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

Honestly, at this stage we should just go for it, aesthetic and all !

@miguelcondadoolivar5149

Ай бұрын

The nice music exists, it's just not mainstream.

I never knew the cyberpunk genre was *not* popular. But then again, I have been a fan since the early 80s, and played the RPG when it came out in 86 or 87.

@jingbot1071

16 күн бұрын

88.

@jingbot1071

16 күн бұрын

At least that's when 2013 came out. Can you imagine a more confusing sentence lol?!

@grr-OUCH

16 күн бұрын

@@jingbot1071 Yes, I started with 2013, then moved to 2020 when it came out in 1990 or so. I basically grew up with Cyberpunk, as I was a young teen back then. No wonder I am so cynical.

@jingbot1071

16 күн бұрын

@@grr-OUCH I was a little later than you. About two decades. Doesn't seem like much changed, choom.

Popular culture is representative of our current state of mind. Our fears and dreams.

the world of cyberpunk is terrifying. I hope we're smart enough to not fall that deep

@dustinmccollum7196

Ай бұрын

So true

@justinianthegreat1444

Ай бұрын

We're already there

@miguelcondadoolivar5149

Ай бұрын

We fell that deep, merely lack some of the tech.

@Cyromantik

22 күн бұрын

We just don't have robot limbs and implants.. well most don't anyhow. Body part and organ replacement is a little rudimentary at this time, but we're well on our way to the less flashy aspects of a cyberpunk dystopia.

@Dr.Harvey

20 күн бұрын

Of course we won't! We fall into low life, low tech world, hehe!

Another great video ! Will you ever explore anything other than cyberpunk ?

Love your videos man. I love this style of presentation. Will you be making more of this type of video and about similar topics?

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

I will, I'm looking into a few other books, one video game and potentially talking about the Ethics of AI. I am a Machine Learning Engineer, so I might have unique insights into that area ! Thanks for the nice comment :)

Cyberpunk is, at least to me, the genre that embodies punk in this age. Great video, now excuse me but I have a city to burn

@ifelse10110

15 күн бұрын

Wake up samuri

The only difference between full blown cyberpunk and what we have goin irl is the fact that common folks still have some power.

@notwhatitwasbefore

Ай бұрын

No they don't. If you disagree use your power as a common folk to change something. Anything

@WannabeGhost

Ай бұрын

@@notwhatitwasbefore Plural my dear Sir or Madam. FolkS. And if you want examples here are some: -Flop of the ring of power due to mass critique as well as (amazon owned) IMDb 5/10 and lower opinion deleting fiasco -Cancelation of green zones in Poland due to public concern and protest -NYCP funding reduction due to blm "peaceful" demand for it to happen The complacency you presented is precisely what power that be need to progress towards high control dystopia, so please stop spreading such poisonous ideas and believe in yourself. Believe that you can make the world better. Even if not on your own. Also i do have certain goal i chase that (hopefully) will make the change for the better. It will take decades to achieve, but it is worth it.

@henryaudobooks9678

20 күн бұрын

@@notwhatitwasbefore I mean, I’ve been protesting at my university campus for the past couple of weeks as have a bunch of others and we did get them to divest for Israel. Might not be much but it is a change.

One year ago I started joking about the fact that Milan is the Night City of Italy, now I'm realising it's heading towards it full send. Can't even imagine for people in actual metropolis.

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

It's such a problem, it doesn't just impact the big ones: NY, London, Milan , SF: smaller cities too are becoming more and more Cyberpunkish; look at Dublin for example. Tiny city with one of the highest cost of living !

@DavideAroldi

Ай бұрын

@@ifelse10110 exactly, the cyberpunk effect happens in the lifestyle for most international cities Milan has the same issue life cost wise, i can’t imagine living INSIDE the city. Didn’t imagine Dublin was that affected as well tho

I think what's so interesting and also appealing about Cyberpunk media, is that that peoples lives are hard, and they have scrape by, and survive because of high crime rates and few human interactions but there's cool cybernetics, VR Networks, super fast computers, AI that actually talk and effect things. There's also the possibility of becoming a tough merc or a highly skilled hacker. We just have that in our reality.

Where have did you find all these comic book style Images, Did you create them or are these comics already? Or AI? Very cool video 👨‍💻

Great video man, and incredible illustrations! Have you realized them with an AI? The quality seems handrawn pictures...

Really excellent videos. Thank you.

@ifelse10110

24 күн бұрын

Thanks :)

do you make your own graphics for the videos or use already existing? Great Video btw

Cyberpunk 2077 both feels like a more soulful world than the one I live in. But also it reminds me of the crushing soullessness of modern society where everything just feels wrong. From bad companies to bad government regulations. To just the general cost of things. The general pressure to not have too much since you usually have no hope in hell of owning anything like what your parents had. And either you kinda accept it and sorta try or maybe you grind for the best stuff. But regardless of what path you choose the reason cyberpunk Is so popular is Because life for the vast majority of young people feels like the worst most pay to win MMO ever... Without the chance to buy microtransactions

Simplest answer, because it's now real and the future we are headed toward. We can now see ourselves in it, because we are in it. The aesthetic is slowly emerging.

Awesome analysis!

@ifelse10110

13 күн бұрын

Thank you :)

Arguably it has never been really gone. More like it's rediscovered by a younger audience. There were shows and movies in the eighties and nineties both good and bad. Strange Days and Matrix around 2K. Regular pen and paper tabletop gaming releases in multiple franchises. We had gaming franchises like Deus Ex. Any place on earth I went there was either a movie or a game or a pulp novel in the bargain bin. And it was big in Japanese entertainment. I don't remember Cyberpunk being off the picture because we edged ever closer to that dystopian future. Maybe most of us don't live in dirty Bladerunner-esque slums and we don't have malware in our brains or full-sensory-cyberspace. But many of us feel modern lifestyle dehumanized us. Instead of interacting with humans or sitting on a mountain in nature we are doomscrolling and posting tiktoks. We work shitty jobs and our political views and private lives are manipulated by unseen algorithms and megacorporations. We feel like AI will steal our jobs soon with diseases and war on the horizon. Yeah I get why Cyberpunk is getting more relevant by the year.

Its because we live in a corporate dystopia already why not just change the aesthetic.

this AI art is well put together, how long did it take you to tweak it?

Also there's the Ai being used to replace people's artistic skills.

the interpretation of Cyberpunk as a possible futuristic outcome == materialistic determinism.

Great video, can you tell me the name of the source of the image in 14:38? Thanks

Cyberpunk is the rare case where Sci-Fi rapidly materializes as reality.

What’s the name of the track used at 0:01?

I think we should name the current technological/societal era the Cyberpunk Era, from web 2.0 to probably the AI singularity. (in line with the paleolithic, Chalcolithic, bronze age and so on) It has all the trappings of what we call cyberpunk. Only the physical corporate violence is mostly at the margins in under developed countries.

"You best start believing in Cyberpunk Dystopias, you're in one."

@ifelse10110

18 күн бұрын

I love a good POTC quote !

Incredibly insightful commentary and I’m happy I don’t feel alone with the whole isolated bit. While I’m grateful to have my family and friends in abundance.. sometimes this dark voice in the back of my head critiques society as if we’re doomed to this path. Maybe we’re not and the change you optimistically speak of is the truth :)

its kind of funny that cyberpunk2077 is one of the big reasons im now a punk irl. it was such an eye opening piece of art that thankfully came out around the time i came into adult hood. really put me in a whole new perspective

It’s because we can all clearly see our society speedinggggg towards this future

what is the title of Blade Runner comic book You showing?

This is a really good video. when watching thei i realized that the meme about "Ryan Gosling being Literally me" isnt just a meme but part of our current reality with the trend of societal atomization/ And as it happens Ryan Gosling pays a lot of roles of an isolated atomized individual in a connected society making the Ryian Gosling literally all of us))

@ifelse10110

19 күн бұрын

Grerat point, im going to try sneak that meme into a video one day on blade runner !

@cryptfs1030

5 күн бұрын

@@ifelse10110 Cant wait)))

For clarification and reference, Karl Popper wrote about "new tribalism", implying how this, as opposed to "globalization", would be the future society. ❤

We live there already but lack body mods of any worth. We’ve been ripped off

Really enjoyed this thought provoking piece. One thing that jumped out at me is the realisation that cyberpunk as a theme predates the name. Soylent Green in the 1970s and Metropolis in the 1920s certainly tick the relevant boxes of high tech low life corporate dystopias. I think you could even argue HG Wells' The Time Machine from 1895 shows a similar world for the Morlocks even if the main characters story diverges from the typical path we'd associate with a cyberpunk tale. I wonder if there are any older stories. 🤔

@ifelse10110

19 күн бұрын

There for sure are ! But I think the definition and combination of these themes becoming its own unique genre didnt occur till the 1980's along with the visuals tied to it. You're the second person to recommend Soylent Green, I'll have to watch it ! Thanks fo the comment.

Very good video

we are living it so

Imagine living to see the day that #Cyberpunk was a vintage genre .

I think the recent rise of the cyberpunk genre has alot to do with how its turned out to be an almost idealised version of our actual reality despite the intention of being closer to a dystopic warning. We live in a world ruled by the corpos just as predicted while those corpos lock down cyberspace and push this dystopia on the ever more powerless masses in a manner that makes many cyberpunk works seem prophetic the only things we are lacking from most of these works is the cool augmentations. Not that cutting off your limbs to get a replacement is actually cool but being super human does have a certain attraction when being a regular human doesn't seem to be enough anymore, yet more accurate prediction. Most weeks as I'm reading the news or catching up on some tech inovation I see something that might well be new and novel to the masses yet seems familiar to me through the cyberpunk genre. While those masses seem to miss the point about where the risk is in such advances or even that there is a risk at all I can see that pattern and direction is the same as many authors imagined decades ago. The current tech illiterate spewings around machine learing and its obfiscation with the term AI and in some cases even AGI is so on the nose I do wonder if the people pushing much of this (not the scientists but the corpos that control them) have actually read a bunch of cyberpunk works and took it as a road map not a warning. Popular fiction is often something that seems to mirror reality which in the 2020s is the dystopic warning of the 1980s/90s, If films like Jonny Mnemonic were released in 2021 (the year its set) instead of 1995 it would of been much easier for the mass market to grasp and would perhaps be seen as a bit too obvious even lazy. I imagine Musk might even try to sue the production for being negative propaganda against neuralink. Even that name neuralink is almost perfectly cyberpunk just change the A to an O and its there, I just googled that to check it wasn't a Willam Gibson term and I was just having a mental blindspot. I wrote this at the start of your video and its nice to see thats its not that far from where you went with it

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

Almost point for point we agree on it ! I think it's so interesting how so many in the comments have similar views, but differ slightly. I think the most interesting one stated that cyberpunk is our world just 'more interesting and fun'; which is sad but true.

"i just hope that we don't fall further into this dystopian society. This outcome is preventable." im not sure it is preventable, when *THEM Who Rule Over Us* , apparently keep using such dystopian works as user or operations manuals of how to make and run cities, nations, and society at large, rather than understanding dystopian and cyberpunk works as the cautionary tales of What Not To Do, that they were originally intended as.

Of course people in cyberpunk are isolated. It makes us easier to control and dependent.

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

Good point, the corrporations need to seperate people to keep them from banding together. This of course, keeps the corporations in power.

Cyberpunk is like every dystopia in that it doesn't predict the future because instead it reflects the present. It's just filtering the problems of the day through the lens of fiction. Cyberpunk is just now with cool technology and without the mask for corporate greed. Just satire that shows the truth.

dindt expect a video this good when I clicked on it !

@ifelse10110

15 күн бұрын

Thanks :)

@callips9550

14 күн бұрын

@@ifelse10110 I'm really looking forward to the next video cya

Great video! Does Warhammer 40K fall into the cyberpunk genre?

CP2077 was never a renaissance, it was final accord for Cyberpunk, because its no more about the future, its about reality. There is nothing new that cyberpunk can offer

I think we've reached the point of "what isn't", frankly

Cyberpunk picked up a lot of film noir ideas.

To what extent does cyberpunk today feed our isolation and apathy by offering us a dream world where the isolated individuals can fight and damage the oppressor.

If you listen to elo’s 70’s album Time I think you will hear the musical version of cyberpunk: loneliness and nostalgia in a tech future

There is one silver lining upon the bleak and that is freedom of expression being most prominent realized in cryberpunk world. It is the ultimate fantasy of cool kids dream where no limits on vulgarity and offensive gestures . Cyberpunk is in many ways the polar opposite to the authoritarian 1984. Both are dystopia in their own way, but it is interesting that in the West cyberpunk is accepted as a pliable vision of future while the 1984 model is seen as a threat you cannot compromise with. Because cyberpunk has an appeal of agency even if it’s fake or rendered irrelevant, it still is on the menu

@ifelse10110

29 күн бұрын

That's a very good point, autonomy and and a sense of self is at the core of much western philosophy. So it seems as if, so long as the future still upholds this belief it is possible, but if this belief is is undermined - that future must be avoided.

Awesome video, dude. High Tech-Low Life, guilty as charged...

good video

Solid analysis and argument. Unfortunately, I agree more than disagree.

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

Thank you !

the culture of the times plays into the stories of the real world that’s what.its no longer fiction it’s becoming fact more each day. 0:28

I'm not sure what we're mirroring in our world right now, but I honestly don't think it's Cyberpunk-esqe. Even Deckard met up with arms dealers and contacts in real space right? V Still had to sit down with Dex to do a job. Elliot's crew don't exist in some encrypted back channel, they all gather in a run down arcade which is def less secure than proper encryption messaging. You could wave these things away as just an issue of translation with the visual medium, but I think that they demonstrate something else, namely what I said before. What we're going through isn't a mirror of cyberpunk. And the comparisons that we can draw, like corps being greedy for money and power, that's just a universal truth, across time, political systems etc. I'm not 100% sure what I'm even trying to get across here. I think there's a missing element to this entire convo (and every variant of this convo) and I can't put my finger on it.

@mattrobson3603

Ай бұрын

Because those people are doing exciting things. People who do exciting things IRL still meet up and do those things in meatspace. There's probably a ton of people shouting at each other online in these various works, we just don't spend any time with them because that makes for an extremely boring story.

Probably because we are living in the dawn of the dystopian nightmare that is our future.

We look for cyberpunk in a westernised context while people in places like South Africa and Brazil are pretty close to experiencing it directly. I mean, you wanna see a face off between a fully equipped and jacked up police officers and a kid in sandals with a machine gun. You can have it.

Cyberpunk societies have many different people who coexist by looking for a way to escape their realities, be it body modification, AI companionship, videogame realms, social media, AR and many other ways to escape the cruel reality that is: your quality of life sucks and they are financially milking you out of your emotions. Do you understand why? One of my favorite bands made songs about shutting off and disconnecting but when Covid hit... Bastille said fuck it and released Futurescape because of how hard that dystopia felt like. That urge to escape that crude reality and cross into cyber space. That one is one of my most recent displays of cyberpunk in our reality. But our most recent one is my battle along many other artists agains AI art and the way corporations are stealing peoples art to give it to someone else to create with prompts.

Alexa play Blade Runner Blues by Vangelis

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

A classic late night drive tune !

I suppose you could class Soyant Green as cyberpunk? However i think cyberpunk is best described by looking at its name, cyber and punk. Cyber does represent high tech, but tech which is embedded within people bodies. There are a lot of high tech novels or movies which are not cyber punk, Brave new world is a possible example. The "punk" is harder to pin down, perhaps it means nihilism or rejection of society, or perhaps the technology. My favorite cyber punk is Ghost in the Shell, which describes a nihilistic world, but one with some hope. I suppose Judge Dredd is another classic cyber punk, as is Warhammer 40K.

@ifelse10110

19 күн бұрын

Much more concise take, and yea it got me thinking for sure. I will watch Soylent Green soon, I my liist is too long now but yea. Thanks for the comment !

personally, I think we are living in a proto-cyberpunk world

What genres aren't "retro?" I mean, of course besides adaptations.

Cause the fight against Technocrats is already here.

I'm still convinced Watch Dogs 1&2 is cyberpunk

You obviously weren't paying attention to reality since cyberpunk became a thing, because, like sexy, it never left.

I really don't know why people wish to use energy of the imagination to reinforce miserable realities rather than seek refuge from them. It's probably the reason for a lot of suicides. People should really give themselves a break during their free moments rather than wallow perpetually in misery.

@fast1nakus

Ай бұрын

Because it's a warning. Because a good author can shape the minds of entire generations.

No space behind the end of your sentences and your question mark ty.

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

Yea I edited them out to keep the video moving, is this an editing style you like or dislike ?

Sorry we’re already there.

@ifelse10110

3 күн бұрын

its ok, i dont think its your fault

People often interpret the "punk" in "Cyberpunk" as indicative of a revolutionary and counter-culture movements that fight the system and while it maybe true to an extent, "punk" in this case usually there to indicate moral decay of society and the "low life" aspect of Cyberpunk. The romanticized idea of a revolutionary who beats the corporation and changes the world is contrary to Cyberpunk spirit imho. Although it can be done right, like Johnny Silverhand for example, dude thought he could blow up the "bad guys" and save the world, but he just made things worse and in the end all he did was of no consequence, because that's not how the real world works.

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

That's an excellent point, for example in Count Zero most of the gangs belong to different counter-culture groups and seem to fight amongst each other more than against corpos as well ! On the point about Silverhand and the attack on Arasaka, I think Takemura sumarised it pretty well. Even if you did topple a huge corporation, the way society is set up means one will just take its place without any genuine change. Apart from the company logo.

@AYAKXSHI

Ай бұрын

Also bartmoss is a better example he literally caused the very future he tried to destroy and now he went from a revolutionary hero to a villain that ruined cyberspace

@ifelse10110

Ай бұрын

@@AYAKXSHI I need to give the lore and story of Cyberpunk 2077 a deeper review one day because it has tonnes of great stories within it that are perfect for reviews and analysis. This is a great point, and I'll actually go checkout that lore today !

@AYAKXSHI

Ай бұрын

@@ifelse10110 most definitely it would be awesome and it could also help for future retrospectives

breh becuz it cool

@ifelse10110

18 күн бұрын

You just made my whole video redundant :'( hahaha

Short answer. Because real life is not so slowly turning into one. A boring one but still a dystopian nightmare.

Mr. Robot is a masterpiece.

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Cyberpunk isn't vintage. If anything it's the most relevant genre right now.

#HostileUniverseTheory

Tell me u dont know about Heavy Metal, without telling me u dont know about Heavy Metal

@ReflexVE

Ай бұрын

Why do you assume they don't? This wasn't a comprehensive review of the literature, just a 14 minute overview of the genre and it's creeping into reality. They didn't name check Vinge and True Names either, so what?

@Real_badda

Ай бұрын

@@ReflexVE ........ the title lol

@BLKM4NTI5

Ай бұрын

Jesus, kid, who gives a fuck if they didn’t mention Heavy Metal? This isn’t about nerding out over your favorite fantasy, it’s about the theme, in case your gonk ass missed it.