Anybody else notice how Micah’s body changes over the course of the game? In the beginning he’s pretty slim, lanky even; at the end he has a huge gut.

@Yayface-fr4sp

22 күн бұрын

hes been eating good

@Skyguy87

18 күн бұрын

No he’s just skinny fat he wares clothes that make him seem slim he has a beer belly underneath

@allhailtheking9127

10 күн бұрын

@@Yayface-fr4sp Just like a rat.

In my mind Micah was never misunderstood, logical, or ever bright up there he was just a parasite living off the energy of others and getting rid of anything that stands in his way the survival aspect of his personality does not justify his acts

@farknado2930

7 ай бұрын

Best comment.

@iceluvndiva21

7 ай бұрын

That's because Survival is a baseline and easy to excuse. It's easy to justify horrific actions when you look at it as "Me against the universe"

@John.McMillan

7 ай бұрын

​@@iceluvndiva21To be fair, what did he do that was more horrific than the rest of the gang? People seem to forget he betrayed a band of some of the most wanted criminals in the country who have killed loads of innocent people.

@johnnysatanseed4770

7 ай бұрын

True he was no more a "rat" than the rest of them, but he was arguably the most volatile member besides dutch and from the gangs point of view they are "Robbin Hood" esque and out to live and bring about an end to tyranny as they see it. Micah kills for fun and the thrill of it​ and his own ends that justify his own means.@@John.McMillan

@theoutsiderjess4869

7 ай бұрын

​@@John.McMillan micah is literally the worse of the worse he reminds me of the odriscolls ths way he antagonizes everyone, the way he interacts with the women in the gang he is so far removed from the other members yet Dutch kept him around

Ben Davis said in an interview that Dutch shot Micah because Micah is a rat. That's pretty well easy to understand

@natebeare9978

7 ай бұрын

@@broKen73484 he did it all to keep the gang on his side could very easily get arrested with them then let go after like any undercover cop or ci irl he definitely did rat he ratted after the valentine shit or possibly ratted for the black water job too

@natebeare9978

7 ай бұрын

@@broKen73484 not even a single argument back to any valid points I made you don’t know how anything works in law when taking down a whole group clearly so stfu and fuck off no one agrees with you and your retarded views

@dat3rdsideboy386

7 ай бұрын

@@broKen73484he was trying to get Dutch bounty high as possible then turn him in

@BanzaiYoutube

7 ай бұрын

​@@broKen73484 Many flaws in your little "theory". Milton said that they picked him up after Guarma, probably sometime after they moved to the chapter 6 camp. Also Micah as he says himself will do anything to survive so instead of getting hanged he ratted on his gang. He also says that he likes a tight crew, 5 or 6 good gunmen so he obviously wanted the weak and the woman out of the gang.

@Alatsno

7 ай бұрын

​@@broKen73484 There wasnt a rat in the St. Dennis heist. Arthur, Dutch, and Lenny literally just hijacked a Trolly and wrecked it through the city, the pinkertons have been on their trail linking their crimes to them since the beginning of the game. Everyone thinks the Pinkertons are dumb but Dutch is dumbest one for thinking the bamk robbery was a good idea.

There is one thing that always bothers me about the whole "Micah is a rat" thing. Milton revealed Micah was working with the Pinkertons after Guarma. There is no, absolutely *NO* reason for Milton to lie in the situation when he tells Arthur. Arthur at this point was a dying man, held at gunpoint by Milton. At this moment, Milton thought he held all the cards and he's got nothing to lose by simply saying the truth here and revealing everything, because he didn't think he could lose in that situation. Micah wasn't a good person by a longshot, but until he got captured by the Pinkertons after Guarma, I do think he was loyal. Only when he's cornered and doesn't see a way out he sells Dutch/the gang out, to save his own skin by making a deal with them. I don't think he particularly fancied ratting on everybody because he loves the outlaw and gang life, but he didn't have a choice there. Either help the Pinkertons, or die.

@Bestow3000

7 ай бұрын

People failed to mention that the Pinkertons wanted to kill Micah anyway even after he rat them out. Micah returned back to the swamp hideout first after he was taken in by Milton...yet they still want him dead and shredded to pieces. So him being a survivor is true. But as a parasite in the gang with no sympathy? Still true.

@RicoHelms

7 ай бұрын

It’s most likely he did snitch, but it would be a good twist if he didn’t and Milton lied to make him angry/mock him

@zoogarium

7 ай бұрын

Exactly, Milton thought he'd be walking out of that situation with Abigail and Sadie captured, and Arthur dead or captured. Who would he be lying for in that situation? Why would he use a lie there?

@bbeboda

7 ай бұрын

​​@@RicoHelmsthat is a dumb fanfiction wish that would just be a plothole to the story. Save your what ifs.

@lukasfjellvaer2114

7 ай бұрын

Milton couldve been playing mind games

People failed to mention that the Pinkertons wanted to kill Micah anyway even after he rat them out. Micah returned back to the swamp hideout first after he was taken in by Milton...yet they still want him dead and shredded to pieces. So him being a survivor is true. But as a parasite in the gang with no sympathy? Still true.

@lordadmiralbokbok3499

5 ай бұрын

I just dont understand why Milton calls him a good rat when Micah pushed Dutch to kill Cornwall? The dude paying Milton

@DaleGribbleFitnessOfficial

2 ай бұрын

because milton lied about it, micah never was the rat. he killed arthur because arthur was trying to have him killed and kicked out of the gang.

@Bestow3000

2 ай бұрын

@@DaleGribbleFitnessOfficial Are you OK? Micah IS the rat. He did not even deny it even when Dutch wasn't around when they were fighting. In fact, he accepted it.

Micah is literally never in any of the group missions unless it’s a robbery. Not when they get attacked or when they are getting revenge like with the jack situation. Only time I really can remember him being with the gang that was not a robbery is when Sean got killed

@BanzaiYoutube

7 ай бұрын

Very true, but you can argue that the only reason hes not on the hunt for Jack is because Dutch ordered him to stay behind, but then at the same time hes not there when you go after Bronte either

@thetf8142

7 ай бұрын

I think a massive piece of dialogue for Micah’s characters is at the start of the game when he brings up “there’s too many mouths to feed” I feel Micah expected Dutch’s gang to be more of an actual gang than a family. Dutch said himself everyone that’s in his gang is seen as family compared to his rival colm

Micha is what an actual old west outlaw was like. A brutal killer with no conscience because life on the frontier demanded savagery in order to survive. I think he did care about Dutch and saw him as a directing force in his otherwise directionless life. Everyone Micha had run with had abandoned him. His family, Norman, and I'm sure others. Dutch had a soft spot for the outcast and Micha probably thought he had found a place that he could call home. But a life of savagery had left him a violent and sadistic creep. So he couldn't really fit into society, any society, like the camp. I think Milton gave him no choice, and he probably thought he could save Dutch and lose the dead weight.

@Minka-ot9xl

6 ай бұрын

Micah would've fit in with the glanton gang

@Lilmsjaymo

4 ай бұрын

​@@Minka-ot9xl I think he would make a great high ranking odriscoll

@hulkbelowall9532

3 ай бұрын

​@@Minka-ot9xlhe IS Judge Holden...minus the Strength and the...uhhh...EDP behavior

When micah said i need better from you arthur That infuriated me. Rockstar did such a good job making us hate him 😂

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

I KNOW, like bro you are talking to THE ARTHUR MORGAN. DONT DISRESPECT MY BOAH

@jakemcdonald4677

6 ай бұрын

@@NashTheInsomniac Arthur was the main man That's the only reason micah felt a need to prove his importance Arthurs respect backed that up, he wasn't fazed

1:40 Those ain't Schofields, they're double actions.

@Lord_Foxy13

7 ай бұрын

Beat me to it lol

@Skalesthegoat

7 ай бұрын

In fairness, there is one scene where he fires at the odriscolls, and they make the sound of a schoffield so you can see where he got it from.

@notyesah9909

7 ай бұрын

Okay so lets say I shoot an AK47, and it magically sounds like an M16, is it now an M16?@@Skalesthegoat

@Richtofen-gy9cj

7 ай бұрын

Double Actions with the damage of Cattlemans

@Skalesthegoat

7 ай бұрын

@notyesah9909 , I'm not saying it's a reason for it not to be double action. It's just where the misconception may have came from.

I think Micah is a bounty protector, someone who helps out a bounty target and waits for the bounty to increase. Micah likely saw a $1000 bounty, saw that he was in trouble, and saw a chance to befriend him, and betray him when the price was right.

@mechadonia

5 күн бұрын

This is a cool theory.

1:41 "Two custom Schofield Revolvers"... minor detail, but they're Double Action Revolvers- notice that they're not break-open but the cylinder releases and in that shot of him firing them, you can see him forego working the hammer. Small error, I'm not even a gun nut, just happy to finally have a little nitpick like that in a cool video. Like finding an animation error in you're favorite cartoon c:

@carnitan1285

7 ай бұрын

I was looking for this comment😅

@jacobbeaupre3940

7 ай бұрын

Me tooo

@TarsilyWasTaken

6 ай бұрын

same lol

@nobody-yk2hu

6 ай бұрын

Ditto

@watchmo2310

Ай бұрын

“just happy to find a little nitpick in a cool video” holy cringe lol

Hey everyone! Did you know that Micah had double action revolvers and NOT Scofields?

@john_something_or_other

7 ай бұрын

Lol That's KZread comments sections, people read something and the whole lot have to jump on the bandwagon..............

@CulunXTR11

7 ай бұрын

Ik I did too lol

The reality is that the story was probably never meant to be scrutinized to this extent so the writers may not have patched every doubt w/ regard to Micah being a rat. It’s a rather simple story. Just made with amazingly fleshed out characters. We all love Red Dead but I honestly think you can lose the overall meaning of the story and game if you keep looking extremely deep for clues and answers that are probably just not there. Micah was the rat. Period. He only became a rat after Guarma. It’s likely the Blackwater massacre "set-up" was just the improvement in law enforcement that is a main theme in the game. It’s also likely that Micah was an opportunist, choosing to turn in Dutch only when the moment was right.

@neowilliams

7 ай бұрын

I agree with you, even moreso to point out that there doesnt need to be a rat before guarma. If you're paying attention, all of the conversations between Dutch and Hosea are arguments. "We just lost folk and now you want to rob a train!?" "We need to lie low, I thought that was the plan!?" "They're coming after us because we're making too much noise dutch!!" Hosea is getting sick, hes weaker, and it isnt until chapter 3 that we see Hosea at his best, and gang members even comment that he seems like his old self again. Dutch comments on his health, almost patronizingly. The same way that omce arthur gets sick, he does to arthur. I think dutch replaced hosea with arthur around about the beginning of the game. He listens to arthurs advice mostly. And now Micah has replaced arthur as of chapter 6.

@blessedxxiii8908

7 ай бұрын

agree bro💯

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

idk rockstar did alot of work on little details, like the poster at Micahs camp in strawberry. I have a feeling they had a whole lore behind and then cut stuff out to leave it intentionally vague/confusing so that people could do exactly what’s happening now. idk they did the same thing with ATLA where some stuff was explained but there was also stuff that was up to interpretation. either way its fun and i understand and respect where you are coming from. there is definitely some stuff that doesn’t really line up

@imverycoolandfunny

3 ай бұрын

THIS

It wasnt micahs plan to rat on the gang. He saw what robberies he could do with a powerful gang like this and used it to its collapse just to get more money. You know he always mentions the Blackwater money and only really takes place in missions like robberies. It probably was an idea to turn Dutch in but he wanted more. If the Blackwater had gone good (at least get the money) he could just get his share and leave. Even from a robbery like valentine bank gets 2.5k to arthur. Would make more sense to get a few like 3-5k and leave or get lost. Even when we consider there was just too many members to share after dutch and micah getting the money back and even spending John gets a share as big as 20k. Dont forget sadie and charles. Thats more than 1k for dutchs head. He ratted because the robberies went bad and he couldnt really get much money.

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

i agree, or if the blackwater job went well, he would have probably pushed Dutch to do bigger jobs etc. Micah seems like the type of person to get a large sum of money but still want more, no matter how much he gets i dont think he would ever be satisfied.

Micah is the real cowpoke

9:40 Micah was in this cutscene when the game first came out, you can go back and check old walkthrough vids and see him. This must have been a glitch or something

@Jankywatermelon

Ай бұрын

Exactly (I saw that to)

Unpopular opinion but i think micha is one of the best characters in rdr (best as in well written and performed)

@thetf8142

7 ай бұрын

That’s because he is. He’s so hated because he’s a good villain

@MrDarksword123

6 ай бұрын

I agree. They wanted you to not like him and it worked.

@farhad2222

5 ай бұрын

Bro that’s not unpopular , i think all gamers are agree on this

@Outlaw1856-8

4 ай бұрын

Fr i don't like Micah but he is one of best written and preformed villian a and that makes me respect him

I can't see Micah as a parasite..he's the guy we love to hate however he had a point in the beginning. With those wagons, mouths to feed, your moving slow and working hard for those who dont or can't. Thats a good way to get killed. Would I watch him hang in strawberry? Yes..but would I also rob a bank or stage with him?..yes..he'd be a good gunman but you'd not trust him. He lives for him but he works hard at it. He dug his own grave years before rdr2, back when he rode with Amos and his father.

The gang didn't need a snitch, they snitch on themselves and any literally any competent tail would and could follow them without being noticed spying from a distance with a scope, just like we do as Aurther the gang isn't quiet they hardly hide and dutch is a virtual peacock wherever he goes and having people like bill and Micah with the go ahead to "make noise" they basically light a beacon straight to themselves, ultimately the rat was the gang themselves maybe Micah ratted or it was just a ploy to make a dying man feel worse. Remember almost all of the spots the gang hides out is open air extremely visible with members that are constantly coming and going AND they're hiding out in well known locations of previous gangs of the areas and they had the gual to believe they didn't have eyes on them the ENTIRE time.

Yeah he was playing both the gang and the pinkertons for himself

Micah was not even with the gang long, he didn’t owe them loyalty. Blame Dutch for allowing it. Dutch had a way with words, but I’d argue so did Micah. He always knew what to do or say to keep Dutch on a string. Micah was far more intelligent than credited. He used Dutch’s mental weakness to his advantage. It’s always safer and smarter to roll with a gang than alone, no matter how tough you are. As long as he kept feeding Dutch’s ego, he had little to worry about. He quickly climbed his way up the ranks and was Dutch’s preferred man. He was calculated and more intelligent than given credit for.

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

I agree, Dutch had such a Messiah complex/ if he didnt go crazy and jus had an act from the start, probably assumed nobody could see through his act/ complex. so Micah was able to exploit that pretty well

Very well put together, really enjoyed. There's 2 scene where the Pinkertons turn up at camp, one of which Micah is standing with the gang. For the life of me I can't figure out how to trigger it

@matthewlacey4198

7 ай бұрын

It's after the Blood Feuds, Ancient and Modern mission, in the cutscene between finishing business at Braithwaite Manor, and where Arthur and John ride out to Shady Belle iirc

I agree Micah is a survivor and plays all possible sides for his personal benefit. Maybe he had some bright idea about Dutch vs. Colm, or Dutch vs. Pinkertons with him right in the middle, but didn´t have abilities to execute things that way. Anyway, I noticed that Micah is really afraid of death When Sean died, he talked too much and overacted his carelessness, and as Arthur's disease progressed, Micah became pretty scared of him. He knows he will meet a bad end, but he also knows, deeply inside, that he is a coward. He wants to be a calm psychopath (probably like his father was), but he isn´t. Micah is a ruthless killer without principles, but I (kind of) pity him because he never had a chance to be anything better.

@josephstalin2606

6 ай бұрын

Nah I disagree Micah doesn’t fear death at all. He obviously doesn’t want to die but he lives strictly by “kill or be killed” and loves chaos. When Sean died he’s the only one who immediately eliminated the threat while Arthur stood there shocked and Bill got shot in the arm. Even when Micah gets shot by Dutch he literally laughs and compliments Dutch before going out in a blaze of glory, and even after that he just turns around and shrugs before going down. He’s a psychopath through and through and never showed cowardice but never put himself in situations where the odds weren’t in his favor, like targeting Arthur until he was sick and weak

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

@@josephstalin2606i agree, he definitely didn’t fear death, he knew what he was, and he knew that eventually he would die because of his lifestyle he just didn’t know when.

1:40 Micah had two engraved double-action revolvers, just so it's out there Schofield top-breaks have a very distinct humpback look

Micah Bell dont have schofields revolvers but He has double action revolvers. Nice vid

Arthur should have left Micah in the jail in Strawberry. I did after my first playthough

It's pretty obvious that Micah was the rat. That's the whole entire purpose of his character in the story. The devs would have no reason to lie, and there is no evidence to suggest that Milton was lying about Micah. Micah's entire character is based on manipulation. He was smart to be the first person to suggest that there was a rat within the gang to Dutch, because Dutch would have eventually picked up on that anyways, and by being the first to bring it up, it somewhat takes Micah out of the pool of potential suspects in Dutch's mind. Molly also helps by suggesting that she was the rat, but in reality she was just in love and desperate for attention from Dutch. I'm sure after she did that, Micah was probably feeling really good about his hidden intentions. Micah would have been loyal to Dutch and the gang as long as it favored his way of life, and his safety. Once the Pinkertons start threatening to turn up the heat on the gang after the train heist, Micah is forced to make a deal to save his own skin. His loyalty only goes skin deep. If his skin is at risk, Micah will sell out his own family to survive.

@stevepalpatine2828

7 ай бұрын

You can find Dutches wanted poster in Micahs camp near Strawberry, I think Micahs plan originally was to get Dutch to run up his bounty as high as he could by suggesting all these crazy jobs to him that just brought more and more heat right when the gang should have been laying low, and then he was planning on collecting the bounty himself.

I hear so many people thinking Micah told the pinkertons about the bank robbery and honestly that makes no sense to me and I’m glad to hear someone not echoing that same idea and bringing new information to the table

Micah had posters of the gangs bountys. He was waiting for the right moment to strike.

If you don't have a choice to kill someone you don't laugh after killing that person

I always assumed Micah knew about Dutch before meeting him and found him to join the gang, and convince Dutch to do bigger and worse heists to increase the bounty on Dutch because$1000 wasn’t enough and he wanted to make the bounty go up to turn him in

@tigerrclaw3772

7 ай бұрын

That’s a great deduction. I was always wondering why a parasite like Micah wants to be around a Gang that fights for an ideal and care about people. Not to mention that is the perfect reason why Micah wants to work with Dutch again at the end. Not only Micah can turn Dutch in at a higher bounty but also keep the Blackwater money.

I think something that's not talked about enough is how dutch manipulated the Indian tribe in the game and how much that effected arthurs views on his redemption I would love to see a vid about that

@CynicGTA

7 ай бұрын

I was actually just going over that part of the 2nd game. Then I started debating on holding off on it to make it a bigger video showing Dutch’s continued manipulation of the natives in the second. Honestly, i may break em into two separate videos because the second game has enough to talk about for one

@JT-ev5jh

7 ай бұрын

@@CynicGTAtwo vids‼️🫱🏾‍🫲🏽

The biggest flaw in the story is the mission when Micah has Dutch and Arthur with Cornwall and Milton in Annesburg and he inexplicably fights his “teammates” as opposed to turning them both in and running off.

@JT-ev5jh

7 ай бұрын

Because why tip his hat then? The game would be over at that point. It’s to stretch out the gameplay and story

@knar43v3r5

26 күн бұрын

For his credibility.

Micah is in this scene where they all surround Dutch did the mission last night on a older version. I think they removed him in later versions.

11:12 idk why that made me laugh so much 😂

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

Rip Van Winkle :)

tbh I don't blame micah for ratting out. we play as arthur of course so we see the gang as family but they are dangerous criminals and losing faith in dutch after guarma isn't exactly unreasonable. the reason we all hate micah is just that he's a terrible person lol

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

thats why hes such a good villain we all hate him but because of who is as a character his actions make sense. you can see where he is coming from to an extent

I think we should have left him in Strawberry.

I don’t think Micah even really knew what side he was on. I mean all of the gang’s problems can explained without Micah even being a rat. The Colm mission you can see that Colm had scouts on them, and clearly saw 3 riders. Of course they would be looking for the third guy when only two show up to the meeting. I think it just worked out in Colm’s favor, and he just said it was his plan to catch Arthur so that if it worked out in the end Arthur would get hanged and die feeling abandoned, like his loyalty to Dutch meant nothing. I think Micah getting caught after Guarma, Milton just says he’s been a “good boy.” I’m sure they questioned Micah, but I don’t think he gave them any information they didn’t already have.

@freedomgangrdr

7 ай бұрын

God, thanks, have the same opinion on this whole bullcrap. As Arthur said "We don't need a rat".

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

why would Milton lie? what would he have gained from that, i know this is more towards the beginning of the game but they didn’t even know Johns name who has been with the gang since he was a young boy. Milton probably knew his full name because they were working together. i could be wrong tho

I think he had the poster before he met Dutch. He was possibly looking to turn him in for the bounty or heard of him and was looking to team up like he did. I do definitely think he always kept an escape plan ready where he could play whichever side he needed to at the time. I agree with you on how he played his rat card. Not necessarily giving up how high up the chain he was in the gang and just feeding enough information to keep him in their good graces. I think in the end he wanted to get his hands on the money and by placating Dutch and driving a wedge between Dutch and Arthur or anyone else not blindly following he felt he could accomplish that goal. I do believe Micah is the true villain in the story.

What drives me crazy is that we save him in the story from being hanged then he does us like that 😡

So my guess for the thing after escaping Colm and Micah walks away in the cutscene is that the mocap scene was only for the actors who interact with Arthur and whoever was actually editing the final thing thought that Micah being there would make the scene better however they can't just animate another character interacting with Arthur as the time on that would be insane. Just a thought but who honestly knows. The Canon reason as you state in the video is very interesting and far less boring of an answer lol.

dude this video is f****** good!!

I love this guy's videos black lung

IMO when Micah says "I'm a survivor' is all the proof I need for him being a rat.

I don't think enough people realize how after he egged Dutch and Arthur to meet with the O'driscoll Colm literally said the plan was for the whole gang to roll in and the Pinkertons capture Dutch that was a little fishy to me when I was doing another play through

@ashtonhaggitt216

7 ай бұрын

​@@broKen73484If Micah did do that, that would give the Pinkertons Colm and Dutch and both their gangs. Far more valuable than Micah hanging.

@ashtonhaggitt216

7 ай бұрын

@@broKen73484 it's not at all. Which part are you having trouble with? The context? Or your own stupidity?

@KipChipperley

7 ай бұрын

@@broKen73484 nah the way micah walked away when arthur returned to camp after escaping colm, he obviously made a deal with colm to kill arthur because he was the biggest obstacle when it came to his original plan to kill dutch

@KipChipperley

7 ай бұрын

@@broKen73484 him having dutch's wanted poster makes me think he wants to kill dutch but idk tho

@crimsonking440

7 ай бұрын

Idk just cause that was Colms plan doesnt mean that Micah was in on that part. Could be that the double crosser got double crossed himself and Colm was intending to betray Micah.

How does Milton know to Blame Micha as the Rat? If he doesn't know the names of the gang members that we'll that assumes he doesn't know the inner workings of the gang. Perhaps Milton was trying to make them feel safe by pretending he didn't know who they were? Or was pertecting Micha?

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

yeah it’s strange that he didn’t know Johns name someone who has been raised by the gang since he was a young boy but knew Micahs

micah making this video like: theyll love me after this

If there's one thing that would've made Micah more interesting is if he had a redemption arc and a different, more likeable character turned out to be the traitor so that the betrayal actually surprised and shocked players.

@thatenglishgentleman

7 ай бұрын

I feel John's the traitor. Look at the situations he finds himself in, he always survives AND he is the only one taken alive after the bank heist, Abigail and Jack also magically escape unscathed .....think about it

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

@@thatenglishgentlemanokay Dutch

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

@@thatenglishgentlemanit is kinda sus tho i wont lie

What if Dutch was the rat the whole time? Like the guy in The Departed

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

Arthur: DUTCH YOU’RE THE RAT DUTCH!!

Micah is my favorite character, definitely the most realistic outlaw in the game.

@raulpetrascu2696

6 ай бұрын

True outlaw looking out for himself yeah but I don't think the word is realistic, actual irl criminals especially in those days had irrational levels of loyalty for their gangs. Micah is smarter, thinking longterm and more selfish

@kamemesg2083

6 ай бұрын

@@raulpetrascu2696 youre right I think

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

what about uncle 😂

Micah is the only realistic outlaw in the game, at least among the main characters

@LUNARBL00M

7 ай бұрын

Not true, Micah was just the only one that didn't try to pretend he was anything more than a lowlife murderer, like dutch.

@pitbullthedog668

7 ай бұрын

No. A lot of criminals have morals believe it or not . Lines even they don’t cross. But there are also pure savages like Micah. All the outlaws are realistic

@VivianaSilverback

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely not. Many outlaws had morals and moral codes in real life. Sure, some savages like Micah did exist, but the majority were like Dutch, Arthur, or Hosea.

I was wondering if Milton only wanted Dutch, and micah was a rat, then when how Micah and Dutch got the money from blackwater and how the hell Pinkertonsfor all this years between charpater 6 and epilogue haven't got them? I know that in the end they stayed on mountains by in the end of the game there's a scene that showes us that Pinkertons tracked dutch and micah (micah body) so if they still were chasing them what was the Micah's position? I don't believe that he was playing both sides for 8 years.

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

probably jus tried to disappear and distance himself after the gang fell apart and i think the pinkertons were probably looking for Dutch. since at the end of the game Micah says “a whole lotta folks making social calls” or something like that which makes me think Dutch came to him later and wasn’t with him the whole time. also dutch says “same as you i suppose” when John asks why hes there.

Kieran literally tortured will stand by the gang I trust him more than Micah ever

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

poor Kieran didn’t deserve to die :( he just wanted a place to call home

I honestly believe Micah agent the whole time after he was broke out of strawberry I believe when he leaves Arthur saying he needed a gift for Dutch is when he was approached similar to how Arthur was and as he said he’s a survivor I also believe in the epilogue the Pinkertons knew if Micah created a gang and made a lot of noise it could draw Dutch out as agent Ross never gave up looking for him and was gonna use Micah as a lure

Everyone has their reasons and upbringings for being who they are. But we shouldn’t excuse others for the bad things they do for solely those reasons. Someone who has endured some type of trauma is still capable of harming others. Whether it’s their intention or not, we cannot use our bad experiences as excuses to make certain choices

Also we can’t say whether or not Micah and Dutch looked for Arther after he was captured because it never showed what they did while he was gone. I think it’s more likely they did look for him but had no idea where he was or if he was in danger.

I am starting to think that Miach is a lot smarter then we give him credit for. I already thought that wanted poster for Dutch was before the events of RDR2 but the double agent part would make sense for someone who claims to be a "survivor." Either then that it's possible Micah had an elaborate plan the whole time.

I like how you conveniently ignore the fact that Micah was nowhere to be seen when the O'Driscolls attacked Shady Belle

@WreckedPanzerschreck

6 ай бұрын

True enough

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

he probably jus forgot, but yeah Micah is definitely up to no good

Great Vids

Those weren't Schofield revolvers that Micah had. They were the RDR2 version of double action revolvers which, unfortunately, do not allow you to fire as fast as you can pull the triggers on the controller the way the ones in RDR do.

@BanzaiYoutube

7 ай бұрын

Their not "Rockstars" version. They are Colt M1892 revolvers

@backforblood3421

7 ай бұрын

@@BanzaiKZread I didn't say they were "Rockstars" version. I said they were the RDR2 version as opposed to the RDR version and I explained the difference.

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

@@backforblood3421i swear when i see people come to their own conclusions about comments when what you were saying is very clear. jus dont read the comment fully and are already looking for something to disagree with.

Micah wanted to destroy the gang after chapter 5 in another chapters he tried to help the gang and in a camp event we can see micah giving money to pearson so he can buy some food

1:43 aren't those double action revolvers, Dutch is the one who has Schoefield revolvers or however it's spelled

They hate my boy Micah but his the perfect example on how real outlaws was irl they didn’t care about sht but then self

I've never bought the theory that Milton lied, and it's because he doesn't need to. Milton believes he's in full control of the situation and that Dutch's gang can never beat him. He has a sick and dying Arthur in his sights and has absolutely no reason to deceive, but the perfect opportunity to display his superiority before taking Arthur's life and reveal who the real traitor was, like a villain revealing his master plan. Beyond that, there's no way Micah trusted the law with his well-being over Dutch. He likely gave them no more information that what was necessary to survive. He's still the world's biggest rat but he wouldn't trust the Pinkertons to let him walk away either.

@rangerlicious2366

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. Milton didn't know he'd even die in that moment, and likely wouldn't have if Arthur didn't cut into Abigail's bonds. He knew for a fact that the only winners in that scenario were himself and the agency. Letting Arthur feel defeat right before sending him to the grave with that information was probably a form of displaying superiority, much like you said. If he was lying, why exactly would he just let Arthur WALK out of there? Especially when he's killed every agent in town, alone, and barely hanging onto life by a thread.

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

plus at the beginning of the game Milton doesn’t even know Johns name, someone who has been with the gang since he was a young boy. How would he know Micah’s name if he recently joined and didn’t have the same authority or presence in the gang as Arthur atleast not till the end.

When Milton asks “ who are you?” And John says “Rip van Winkle” that is one of the funniest moments in the entire game.

Micah wore white in the st denis bank job so that the Pinkertons would be able to see him and not shoot at him

My personal theory is that Micah had his own agenda well before joining the gang. I believe he was initially was going for Dutch's bounty of his own volition before his priorities changed throughout the course of the game. The bounty poster being the evidence. $1000 was a lot of money back then, but once Micah joined the gang the Blackwater money would probably seem more enticing to him. He constantly talked about the Blackwater money. Everything after the Blackwater Massacre would mean Micah was stuck with the gang. After seeing that the gang was going to be destroyed one way or another because of Dutch's own decisions (the train robbery), he likely shifted his focus from turning Dutch in himself to collect a bounty to *getting* Dutch caught to divert attention from himself allowing him to get out. The main reason i think Micah disapproved of the train robbery is because Arthur distinctly mentions "i didnt see you rushing to jump on that train" after Micah made a snarky remark. Not even Arthur or Hosea liked the idea of a train robbery. I think Micah influencing Dutch's self destructive decisions were him putting heat on him so he could get out, seeing as Dutch was running the gang into the ground anyways. Either that or he was trying to wittle down Dutch's defenses by getting as many gang members indirectly killed as he could. Assuming he even still cares about the bounty at this point Lastly I believe him turning rat was purely an opportunity for him to survive after being caught by the Pinkertons. We clearly saw with Abigail that Milton was done showing mercy to any of the Van Der Linde gang members if they were caught. He 100% would have been hanged if he didn't flip. Likely even tortured if Strauss was any example. A lot of people think Micah was a rat from the very beginning, but i dont think so. I just think he was intent on destroying the Van Der Linde gang for his own reasons. First money. Then survival.

I'd go on and say the main villain of the story is not him, it's Dutch as he was in the first game. Or, his delusion, to be exact. That wet dream of Tahiti is basically killed the chance for all of the gang to get out, not Micah's ratting. Him being stupidly stubborn forced everyone to face their karma.

No doubt in my mind Micah talked…but I think he was a rat at least as far back as Chapter 2. With the Blackwater Massacre going so badly Micah must have known that his only chance to avoid prison or the noose was to cooperate with the Pinkertons. It was no longer strictly about money (although a cash incentive may have been offered) it was about receiving a full pardon. This is only my speculation but the first time I played the game it struck me as odd that Micah was the only one wearing a white suit. Like he pops out big time versus anyone else…maybe when he told the Pinkertons about Hosea’s and Abi’s distraction the responding police would know their informant was the one wearing white. At least tell after the shootout at Strawberry when it was likely the Sheriff would have sent word to the courts that they had Micah in custody.

Naw. Naw! Micha is a punk. You can sacrifice. You don't torture, be malicious, or cause undue suffering. No one has a code anymore. These are reasons you give that give clarity. But there is no excuse.

Micah saw the writing on the wall and, yes, he is a survivalist, in a sense. He saw how Dutch at least feigned care for those around him, he saw the gang's earning potential, and everyone in the gang's proclivities to helping those around them. He knew there would be a moment he could seize to take the profits for himself, the men that showed up with him in the final chapter could have very well been following the gang the whole time, waiting for a signal to ingratiate themselves before they heisted the gang's money. The gang was a mark for him, pure and simple. Which makes him an even better wrote villain much deeper than the surface level crassness and racism. I think alot of players look at Micah as "racist man bad"; but, he is FAR more complex than that and as far as developed characters go, he's my favorite of the game: because I TRULY HATED HIM. He's a viper in a den of wolves.

Micah had no business being in a Gang that operated under the premise of Family; especially not one composed of Blacks/Native Americans, the Irish, Women and a Child. He liked Dutch's grand scheming, and wanted the rewards of any/all association with Dutch, for himself. Dutch's greatest folly was confusing Micah's saving his life (one time...) as being the same as Micah giving him loyalty or love. Dutch is a "Collector" of people; he thought he could "collect" Micah the same way he did Arthur, John or Javier, and it turned into his ruin. And the people he found he genuinely couldn't live without (Hosea and Arthur), he didn't find out until it was too late.

I'm not going to lie my first playthrough was dual Scofield's

@suyz9312

4 ай бұрын

It's a double action

I rhink the poster shows that even though micah didnt already turn in durch, ratting was always an option

Low honour Arthur is also much more concerned with trying to survive. funny thing if you help people im the world their are random encounters were Micah will warn Arthur about helping folk.

If he was just a "survivor" he could just leave in multiple opportunities Even after being captured by the pinkertons. He could rat to survive and then disappear But no, he went back to camp and stayed there. Getting himself in extremely dangerous jobs. Actually, he was the one who pushed Dutch on doing those jobs, jobs against Cornwall and the Pinkertons. Did he really thought the pinkertons would not shoot him in those chaotic shootouts? Or just bring on the fact that they made a deal? More than a survivor, Micah is a greedy, dirty and sadistic. Survivor is the last personality trait listed on his rpg sheet

1:45 quick correction miccahs guns are a pair double action revolvers not shofields like dutch

Milton would have no need to lie to Arthur because one he never lied the entire time they have talked and 2 Milton is well aware at that point that Arthur is dying which is why there is no need for him to lie because he holds all the cards Abigal he believes is tied up and he has a weakened Arthur morgan in front of him it would not be surprising that Milton with his ego would tell a dying man whats goibg on before he died

1:39 Micah had Double-Action Revolvers. Dutch had the Schofield

Bro really called Micah’s double auction a Schofield

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

simple mistake and many people have already corrected him :)

12:40 of course Milton could be lying

Micah has dual double action revolvers, not Schofield. Dutch has the Schofields. I've always said Micah needs Dutch to live & not get caught, in order to get rich himself. He only wanted to get rid of the women & the other baggage in the gang

I think Milton was only telling a half truth as he would gain nothing from giving up Molly oppose to giving up Micha. I think Molly HAD told them somethings but wasn’t an official “rat” as it just doesn’t add up that Molly told them absolutely nothing but she clearly is eaten up about what she had told them along with the ability to cling to that lie in a drunken angry guilt fueled speech and Milton I believe doesn’t know Molly is dead so no point in giving up a living valuable asset so he keep that lead potentially open when he told Arthur about Micha because why not, as we see the Pinkertons don’t see Micha as useful anymore no harm in telling the dead man who betrayed him if you are also planning on killing the betrayer to.

His two customized schofield revolvers. Bro double action revolvers

Never play both sides, that can get you knocked off. He 100% was looking out for number 1, and in doing so led him to be the true antagonist

Micah is the epitome of a rat. Snitches aren't just people who see something bad being done and inform the police. A snitch is someone who helps commit a crime and then tells on others when HE gets caught. I originally just assumed Micah was always snitching the whole time which is why the Pinkertons always found them, but I'm not so sure after multiple playthroughs and hearing other opinions. I don't think Micah is loyal to anyone but himself. He probably saw a lot of opportunity that benefited himself in following and using Dutch and his gang. Once he got caught though, he folded up like a bad poker hand

He admits it though he straight up days during the fight scenes it’s survival there isn’t good and bad just survival. That to me is an admission he seen the gang was going down and talked on them

4:00 its "path of least resistance" genious

I never truly understand why aurthurs bounty is higher then dutch's is, I guess cuz aurthur did more of the work then dutch, but idk it's weird lol

@NashTheInsomniac

6 ай бұрын

on god, unless Milton was lying jus to get Arthur to cave

You presume that Micah has possessed the wanted poster for Dutch, found at his camp, since before he ever met Dutch. You argue the best opportunity Micah had to betray Dutch was "right there in that bar during their initial encounter." But if the poster came later, then Micah would not have known at the time Dutch was worth $1000 during their initial encounter. And thus, could not have been motivated by it. It is even possible that Dutch had no price on his head at the time, or a far smaller one closer to like $50 - $75 where the vast majority of the bounties you chase in the game sit. The leader of the Lemoyne Raiders gang was only worth about $250 as I recall. None of the bounties come anywhere close to $1000. The poster could very well have been, and probably was, a later addition to his possessions, along with the notion to collect on it. After he joined the gang. He might have had it before Blackwater, I believe, but I am far less confident he and Dutch meeting up with each other initially had anything to do with that poster. It's possible I suppose, but I think it improbable. Here's why. What did Dutch do, and when, to get a $1000 price on his head? That's huge. Two orders of magnitude larger than almost every bounty you come across while playing. It would take a monstrous event of some kind to get that. Something on the scale of Blackwater. That poster is evidence that Micah may have potentially returned to Blackwater after the massacre and picked it up there. I conclude this because of the real possibility that there existed no posters of Dutch offering that kind of money before that boat. Did Arthur have a $5000 price on his head before Blackwater, or only afterward? And then again only after taking out Cornwall's train in the Grizzlys too. I suspect it got raised that high because of Blackwater and nothing else except maybe also after hitting Cornwall who had the cash to put up such numbers. So, like maybe the gov't put up $1000 and then Cornwall bumped it up even more to $5000 when he got involved. Likewise for Dutch and Hosea too. The premise of this part of your argument relies completely upon a probable mistaken presumption. The one thing that poster tells me is that Micah definitely courted the idea of collecting on it at some point. Whenever that was, it had to be after Dutch did something like Blackwater to earn it. And I don't think that was the case when Micah & Dutch first met, or frankly at any time before Blackwater. Dutch is special and unique among all the outlaws because of Blackwater alone. It's the only event where he could have earned a $1000 bounty. Having said all that, there is also the possibility that Micah had another poster for Dutch that wasn't lucrative enough for his tastes, and so the whole manipulation of Dutch regarding Blackwater was a scheme to convert Dutch into a much more attractive bounty target. And the poster is an indication of his progress in that scheme, replacing the lesser one that originally drew him in. One thing Micah was very proficient at was wrapping Dutch around his fingers. Dutch, on his best day, could not out scheme Micah on his worst. He recognized this from the start. I think it also likely that Micah was surprised by the size of the Blackwater score. I think they all were, even including the citizenry and the law and the other gangs. It was ten times more than anybody imagined any gang would ever get. And he changed his plans accordingly to obtain as big a piece of it as he could manage...eventually succeeding in getting it all, and rendering the wanted poster valueless. Blackwater kicked off a lot of stuff. It would not be surprising to learn Micah formulated a new scheme because of it too. Who knows, if the Blackwater score had been crap instead of glorious, then maybe Micah would have just turned on the gang immediately instead of embedding himself like a tick into Dutch's good graces with all his phony loyalty. I believe the only thing that Micah was ever interested in throughout the entire story was the Blackwater loot. Even the final tally at Beaver Hollow was a mere fraction of the Blackwater score. Everything was a plot to let him get at it once the gang obtained it. I also think splintering the gang was a key component of that plot. Fewer mouths to feed also means, necessarily, more food for you.

He thought he was playing Dutch for the blackwater treasure. Dutch, though became mad saw through his scheme and shot him in the epilogue.

Micah was never loyal to the gang.

In some of michas missions such as the stage coach robbery in chapter 4, Micah explains how a crew of gun such as dutch and others would be enough to actually be a gang of outlaws, he explains on how most of the people in the gang are useless and he is right when he told his opinion to Arthur, arthur had nothing to say simply leaving micha to be correct when it comes to the gang having others dragging them down. Micha may be a traitor, and a rat but as he says he simply wanted to survive and anyone who wasn't uselfull needed to go. Most hate micha for his behavior and ideals but, he was correct when it came to methods on how to survive being outlaws. No matter what honor arthur remains a hypocrite and a bystander watching everything occur knowing how bad it is and how many dying without doing anything about it. Him and hosea were the same know what happens but doing nothing to prevent it remaining loyal to a leader that will get them killed. The only thing Micah was right about is how arthur complains when things go bad but arthur never did anything to prevent them and he knew such things could happen but he just remained loyal and followed the wrong ways of dutch. It seems Swanson was the only one to understand his wrongs and leave it behind instead of being a bystander and watching others dying. Micah was also the same in a content of doing what was needed in order to survive as he states he's a survivor. Meanwhile arthur remains lost in himself on how he is wrong and bad but at the same time does nothing to save his fellow gang members other than follow dutch blindly and help others he has hurt along the way in which the damage has already been done and only is helped due to his tuberculosis, without it who knows how arthur would have turned out.

Duh this is exactly what everybody already thinks about Micah this isn't a new take on it this is literally is a parent character and the interactions Micah had

A survivor doesn’t explain the unnecessary risks Micah takes. Look at the massacre at Strawberry after we unfortunately have to rescue Micah and try to write that off as “surviving”. Unraveling an at the time strong game is not survival either. He’s cancerous and parasitic.

Hello there friend! Thought I might chime in with a friendly correction: @1:42 you mentioned Micah’s revolvers which you referred to as “Schofields” but they are actually Colt M1892 Navy & Army double action revolvers. The Schofield was a single action break barrel revolver which was a modified version of the S&W Model 3 after a suggestion from Major George Schofield who wanted a revolver that was easier for the Calvary to reload on horseback. Much love from the South, friend! 🇺🇸

Milton and Ross come into the camp at Clemens Point, not Shady Belle.

I think the Pinkertons had a brief alliance with Colm, with the goal of Capturing Dutch only for Arthur to Unintentionally result in the backstab of Colm.

Another great video.

Micah carried a pair double-action revolvers, not Schofield's. This is otherwise a well constructed and edited video. 👍