Special thanks to Cypher the Cynical Historian for helping out with this video. Check out his Soviet Myth video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2ulsZWgZbCtncY.html

@jasonbelstone3427

3 жыл бұрын

Dear AlternateHistoryHub, Do you ever look at history and how it turned out, and figure that there really is a God?

@acxesta2

3 жыл бұрын

I have a question: What if the Second Balkan War never happened because, I don't know, Bulgaria takes a few parts of Macedonia? I feel that that might make WW1 end differently because Bulgaria would probably join the Entente at some point during the war. Would this change the outcome of WW1? Would it be similar to what would happen if Teddy Roosevelt became president in 1912?

@RiggsBF

3 жыл бұрын

What if South Africa kept its nuclear weapons program?

@everettsalmans104

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Cody, I sincerely enjoy watching your videos and content and was wondering if you could perhaps dedicate a video towards the question of "What if Britain and the United States accepted Himmler's peace negotiations to help the Germans fight the Soviets?". I know Hitler and some of his still faithful supporters weren't aware and I think it would be interesting to see how the whole situation would turn out. I hope the question doesn't come off as idiotic as I did not do too much research into the peace talks, but I think it would still be interesting nonetheless. Thank you and keep making awesome content for everyone to enjoy!

@TheIT221

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I don’t like the last part. Until 1933 Germany didn’t have the N. in control. They would remain a democracy. Then if Trotsky helped the communists in Germany either they would take over and become an ally, or trigger a civil war. Then the western powers would likely work together against him like you said. Then there is the fact of the Great Depression, and that could spur communism in the west. Lastly, France had many socialist supporters, and Trotsky also could’ve demanded they trigger a civil war. This is very great tho, 10/10

Lenin: “I want Trotsky to be in charge” Trotsky: “Nice pick” Stalin: “Ice pick”

@_badger_9902

3 жыл бұрын

So dumb... I LOVE IT!

@Edax_Royeaux

3 жыл бұрын

"The world may never know if Stalin's paranoia was targeting the right people, or whether he made more enemies trying to exterminate every Trotsykist in the Party. What is known is that what he feared eventually came to pass. Today, Leon Trotsky reemerged as having returned from his exile, and with the support of several influential party members and NKVD officers, launched a coup overthrowing Stalin's rule. The former General Secretary was attacked in his home with an ice axe, and was swiftly executed along with several of his supporters. Tearing down the cult of personality he built up will take time, but the people know now at least that he was not immortal." - HOI4

@alexh4989

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@bruinironside

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@javierrivera9824

3 жыл бұрын

That’s gold 😂

I'm reminded of an old joke. A Soviet artist is told to design a poster for the film, "Lenin in Poland." He returns with a picture of a man and woman engaging in barely-acceptable-to-print behavior. The maker of the film is furious. "Who is this shameless man here?" "That is Trotsky." "And who is this loose woman beside him?" "That is Lenin's wife." "And where," cries the filmmaker, "is Lenin?!" The artist gives a conspiratorial smile. "Lenin's in Poland."

@HiromiyamotoDesuDesu

3 жыл бұрын

For some reason I read this in the voice of Slavoj Zizek

@amagiordi2615

3 жыл бұрын

@@HiromiyamotoDesuDesu *nose touching intensifies*

@oracle8192

3 жыл бұрын

@@HiromiyamotoDesuDesu PAH-URE IDEOLOGY

@HiromiyamotoDesuDesu

3 жыл бұрын

@@oracle8192 *sniff*

@prkp7248

3 жыл бұрын

That was not about Trotsky, that was about Dzierżynski.

The thing is, in this alternate timeline we’d be thinking, “man this trotsky guy stinks, if Stalin came to power everything would be better”

@Edax_Royeaux

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that, Trotsky was a military leader and history has a tendency to fetishize military leaders. Stalin being a complete bungler, really hurts him in history.

@theultimategodofgaming3200

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edax_Royeaux That's true, but you could also make the case that Hitler was a military leader, and I don't see many people fetishizing him.

@morningwoody4514

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edax_Royeaux Funnily enough, Nazi Germany's military was so effective directly *because* Hitler didn’t touch it. Most of the officers of WW1 weren’t purged, with promotions and medals still being based on competence. The problem was that having all political power consolidated into one man is a double-edged sword. While Hitler could promote skilled leaders at a record pace and make risky moves, it also meant that commanders would over-promise and grovel to Hitler for resources. Not to mention the fact that because France fell so quickly (a war that Hitler himself thought would cost over a million German lives), it made Hitler feel invincible and caused him to overextend his military until it broke.

@Edax_Royeaux

2 жыл бұрын

@@morningwoody4514 Hitler was Supreme Commander of the German Army. During the Battle of Stalingrad (before the encirclement), he sacked General Halder and Field Marshal List and took direct command of Army Group A in the Caucasus. And at least according to TIK, he wasn't terrible as Commander of Army Group A, because he was capable of thinking on a grand strategic level while his generals had tunnel vision. Even though Hitler could see the impending disaster at Stalingrad coming, there wasn't many forces left he could put in it's way to try and stop it. Also Hitler being Supreme Commander of the German Army and Commander of Army Group A created a weird chain of command structure loop

@questionmaker5666

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edax_Royeaux It shows that the German military was most effective when he provided a general overview and allowed the military to do its thing, but once he because overly involved in military matters things got worse. But Germany was bound to loose, and there was nothing Hitler could do about that.

It took me until now that you replaced the swastica with the KZread logo, and I have never been happier with a substitute symbol..

@JayKay-on2gr

3 жыл бұрын

Scrolled all the way down here to see a comment appreciating it as much as I did 😄

@pedrosilvaferreira2562

3 жыл бұрын

Swastica ? You confused hold east asian symbols with hammers and sickles.

@johnathangaminj8200

3 жыл бұрын

Aren't those the same thing?

@adamwathen5962

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnathangaminj8200 The difference is one of them has incorporated females into their regime, and the other one never had the chance

@adamwathen5962

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnathangaminj8200 Yes, you’re right, my apologies

A Soviet Joke: A man in the USSR is sentenced to ten years in the gulag. Upon his arrival, he is asked by another prisoner, “How did you get ten years?” He responds, “I did nothing!” The prisoner says to him, “Don’t lie to me now! Everyone knows that nothing gets you five years!”

@Cadu_Ferreira

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t get it

@daviddiaz4855

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cadu_Ferreira The joke is that people that did nothing get 5 years in the gulag, the man got 10, meaning he did something

@mycrobyte6063

3 жыл бұрын

Wow you are a comedy genius

@andrewa9694

3 жыл бұрын

@@mycrobyte6063 I think he gets the joke but is adding his own humorous layer. As perhaps are you.

@Roketsune

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny because it's true!

You’re telling me Trotsky was so leftist he actually annoyed other leftists?

@Maria29G

3 жыл бұрын

As a leftist, trust me when I say that all leftists annoy other leftists

@ravenwolf3715

3 жыл бұрын

Maria G as another Leftist, the anarchist kind, I can confirm

@tejasdhami8734

3 жыл бұрын

@@Maria29G No wonder Franco won the Spanish Civil War.

@ghostontheohio

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, all leftists are annoying to all other leftists. Have you ever met a leftist?

@poweroffriendship2.0

3 жыл бұрын

And the leftists are so obnoxious that they tried to each other alive.

I always assumed Trotsky rising to power would have resulted in a much more severe Cold War, because Trotsky really was committed to spreading communism ideologically, while Stalin only sought that as a means of promoting Soviet interests.

@SeattlePioneer

2 жыл бұрын

My guess is that had Trotsky wound up at the top of the heap instead of Stalin, it would have resulted in the failure of Communism any number of times. Trotsky simply lacked the political skills and iron determination to drive the Communist agenda with the talent and energy Stalin brought to it. Just as a possible scenario--- Trotsky was HOT to collectivize the land ---to take it away from the control of the peasantry who had grabbed it during THEIR revolution. Lenin took a shot at doing that. He failed and adopted the NEP. I can see Trotsky doing what Lenin did, and driving the USSR and Communism over the cliff when the peasantry revolted effectively. Trotsky was always hot to collectivize the land, while Stalin patiently accumulated the power to WAGE WAR effectively on the peasantry when the time came. So again I would expect Trotsky to have gone off prematurely, causing a rebellion he couldn't contain. Stalin DID begin his campaign to collectivize the land, right after getting rid of Trotsky! At that time he has the political means to wage WAR effectively against the peasants who constituted most of the population of Russia. He killed off MILLIONS in getting what he wanted. Trotsky was as brutal as Lenin or Stalin, but I don't think he would have had the political talent to carry that off. Just my guess and bias, of course. But while Stalin was successfully waging war on the peasantry, stealing their assets and collectivizing the land, Trotsky was first kicked out of the Communist Party, then forced into internal exile, then kicked out of the Soviet Union altogether. That's the measure of the difference between Stalin and Trotsky, in my opinion.

@notaspider4084

7 ай бұрын

being devoted to spreading communism as opposed to just advancing soviet interests is a good thing though. Stalin was such a controversial figure the USSR underwent an entire period of de-Stalinisation after he died. He was then replaced by increasingly liberal leaders who culminated in Gorbachyov & the destruction of the soviet union from the inside-out. I think it would have played out a lot differently if Trotsky did a good job of promoting communism, something that Stalin failed at.

@ahuman9100

6 ай бұрын

@@SeattlePioneeractually, by that logic, Trotsky would probably end the Bolshevik rule, prematurely freeing Russia

@SeattlePioneer

6 ай бұрын

Interesting speculation. I would suppose that Trotski would have failed to be willing to kill millions of Russians and Ukraineans in order to steal grain produced by peasants to selll on the world market to finance USSR's industrialization. That would have meant that USSR would only had a part of the industrialization needed to arms millions of Red Army soldiers with T34 tanks and aircraft to defeat Hitler. And he would not have flogged and terrorized a winning effort out of Red army commanders and soldiers, and thus the USSR would have been defeated by Germany. So PERHAPS the people of the USSR would not have been as enslaved by Stalin, and instead would have been enslaved when USSR was defeated by Germany in WWII. Stalin's main way of justifying all his murder and terror was the defeat of Germany. That really only happened BECAUSE of Stalin's murder and terror. So your suggestion that Trotsky would not have been as murderous as Stalin also suggests that USSR% would not have had the margin of power needed to defeat Hitler ---and even at that it was a very near thing early in Germany's invasion.

@alphagamer9505

5 ай бұрын

I would be suprised if the soviet union still exists in the 50s, at least in Europe

I don't understand why the post-Lenin period is always framed as a Stalin vs. Trotsky rivalry. It was so much more complicated than that, for example Nikolai Bukharin was very influential as well, surely more than Trotsky, but he is rarely even mentioned when this period is discussed.

@nickfifteen

Жыл бұрын

Speaking of Bukharin, another aspect I'm curious about is to what degree the Old Bolshiveks would have had Stalin not kill them off. I feel Trotsky would've kept them around to support his legitimacy, and in doing so, might have kept enough "carefully curated opposition" to help keep memory of the revolution alive... whereas Stalin basically killed everyone off who wasn't constantly loyal to him personally and therefore upon Stalin's death the USSR was basically drifting with a system that doesn't develop a system of leadership willing to take chances. Would the USSR still be around today had the Old Bolshiveks been left around to in turn keep that revolutionary zeal alive?

@seronymus

Жыл бұрын

Remilia elected as Chairwoman of the State Soviet

@railroading5726

Жыл бұрын

Bukharin didnt get a funny death

@redtexan7053

Жыл бұрын

Strange as it might sound, as far as the West is concerned at least, I think the reason might be George Orwell. For a long time, Orwell has been capitalism’s favorite anti-communist shill, and his perceptions of Soviet politics have become the *only* perceptions of Soviet politics for a lot of westerners who don’t study the subject with any interest. But while he might have been an irritating reactionary gnat, Orwell was a strange sort of Trotsky proponent. You see it over and over again, in his two most subsidized works especially. Snowball and Goldstein. Apart from Trotsky’s own writings, the idea that Trotsky was just a few years away from achieving “real socialism” really starts in most people when they read Animal Farm. None of it is true, of course. Trotsky was a political fool whose ideology was riddled with petty bourgeois revision. But the idea has gotten there none the less.

@Robert_Douglass

11 ай бұрын

​@@seronymusWho was Remilia?

"Tell the guy in charge of giving people jobs not to let that jerk Stalin take over. BTW, who's the guy in charge of giving people jobs again?" "That would be Stalin, sir"

@lordmiraak8991

3 жыл бұрын

I see you're a man of culture

@riccards

3 жыл бұрын

Thats too simplified

@oswald7597

3 жыл бұрын

@@riccards You could even say it's Oversimplified

@andresolmos8639

3 жыл бұрын

@@oswald7597 Roll the credits

@xanic3708

3 жыл бұрын

nice oversimplified reference

"He was extremely opinionated" Okay "even by leftist revolutionary standards" oh no

@lewisvargrson

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like he'd be right at home on twitter... Just saying.

@willblack7353

3 жыл бұрын

So, like AOC?

@EduardoEscarez

3 жыл бұрын

@@lewisvargrson Look no more than 18:27 😂

@sayvionwashington1939

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no indeed

@truedarklander

3 жыл бұрын

@@willblack7353 aoc bad bottom text

I think you're missing some nuances from Germany. The Russian Communists (including Lenin) never thought any revolution would work without at least one fully capitalist country having their own socialist revolution (the Bolsheviks are kind of like the dog that caught the car, in this way). Germany ends up with two competing groups of socialists: the Democratic Socialists and the German Communists (one wants to elect socialism into power, the other wants to revolt). Fascism gets going while these two (bigger) groups fight each other. When Hitlers says that in the early days, if his enemies had united fascism would've been crushed, this is what he's referring to. So the real historical question is: If it was Trotsky, instead of Stalin, would a more aggressive Communist Russia, create conditions in Germany where a socialist government (through either elections or revolution) would have come to power. This would have extinguished fascism in Germany before it began. Who knows. Additionally, Trotsky was Jewish and Russia post-revolution still had a lot of Anti-Semitic sentiment (even if it was illegal). He declined the offer to become Prime Minister after the coup, for this reason. He didn't think the country would follow him. Lenin would have had to over come Russian prejudice to get Trotsky in.

@just_one_opinion

Жыл бұрын

U kidding right!!!!! Uker famine holocaust in 30s was caused by zion komissars...lenin jew, marx jew, trotski jew...kommies were jews

@quack6292

Жыл бұрын

Hey, do you happen to have a source on the Trotsky turning down that position thing? Not doubting you but I'm doing a pet-project related to Soviet History and I wanted to know where you heard that he declined the position. Thanks!

@BlueRockBill

Жыл бұрын

@@quack6292 Sorry for the late reply: Revolutions Podcast by Mike Duncan. He's a journalist, not a prof, but he does do a HUGE amount of research and keeps a relatively neutral position as he goes through Russian History, Marxism, etc. He's also a good source for French, Haitian, American, and Mexican revolutions and the English Civil Wars.

@quack6292

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueRockBill Sorry for my late reply lol, Thank you very much! This should be very helpful to me

@SpaceMarine500

13 күн бұрын

National socialism and fascism are not the same.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I recall, Orwell's portrail of Snowball/Trotsky wasn't all unicorns and rainbows. He was in favour of pigs getting special treatment just as much as Napoleon.

If Snowball kicked Napoleon out from the Animal Farm and stayed in power, then he could've saved the windmills.

@mysteryjunkie9808

3 жыл бұрын

Everything Snowball wanted to do Napoleon did so the results would've stayed the same.

@notoriousgoblin83

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysteryjunkie9808 umm, no.

@al3xa723

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysteryjunkie9808 No, not really lol

@darjeelingoffthegourd

3 жыл бұрын

snowball was a fucking revisionist and you know it

@al3xa723

3 жыл бұрын

@@darjeelingoffthegourd not as bad as Napoleon, he was just a pig... Sorry

*Trotsky:* "This Empire is in...unacceptable...CONDITIOOOOOOOOOOONS! UNACCEPTABLE! One million years work camp!"

@LoopysLeftovers

3 жыл бұрын

Huh, you are here too

@joshelguapo5563

3 жыл бұрын

Is it wrong that I read that in lemongrabs voice?

@NeoakiraIV

3 жыл бұрын

Joshua Saffy saaame lol

@areszhu8198

3 жыл бұрын

You here too????? We’re are you coming from?

@How23497

3 жыл бұрын

Joshua Saffy no

Gotta remember that Fascism was adopted by the Eastern European nations BECAUSE it was seen as fervently anti-communist. It’s entirely possible that Britain and France could have seen large and even prominent fascist parties as communism is seen as more of a threat than fascism

@ratelarmonter4736

3 жыл бұрын

Fascism is not a threat to the bourgeoisie; on the contrary, it is salvation. Fascism was formed as a reaction to communist sentiments in the country, as a terrorist agony in an attempt to preserve the bourgeois system.

@alecmullaney7957

2 жыл бұрын

That's part of how the US's current fascist party came into power

@therainbowconnection6813

2 жыл бұрын

@@ratelarmonter4736 Communism is not seen as a threat to the bourgeoisie either. Those are the ones funding it. Communism is a threat to the middle and working class. To those with enough money to be hated, but not enough to be safe and to those who have no means of resisting tyranny.

@user-yj3ti9rg7n

2 жыл бұрын

@@therainbowconnection6813 lol. Tell me you're joking, because if you are then that's a good one.

@therainbowconnection6813

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-yj3ti9rg7n Explain.

Replace one ruthless dictator with another ruthless dictator that was supposed to be the original ruthless dictator that got replaced by the ruthless dictator

@thememelord2394

3 жыл бұрын

"I understood that reference"

@the_neo_crusader

25 күн бұрын

Communism in a nutshell

so trotsky was the first guy to say "But thats not real communism"

@dogguy8603

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@laurocoman

3 жыл бұрын

Nailed it.

@MacetazzOpina

3 жыл бұрын

That’s kinda true tho, Britain was supposed to become communist, not a pre industrial nation with less resources like Russia. And the soviets weren’t really following the whole Marxist theory because they really couldn’t. You could say it’s like in capitalism you have rotten countries like the Latin America and US and more balanced and fair countries like the nordics, Europe, etc. If the whole world was like Germany or Norway I don’t think many people would oppose capitalism so much, the same way, if Britain had developed communism in the vein of Marxist theory I don’t think it would have been as bad as it was

@rurak2727

3 жыл бұрын

@@MacetazzOpina You aren‘t levying the criticism Trotsky did

@te1327

3 жыл бұрын

@@n.m.8802 well we have a political party that flip flopped between centrism and socialism so it's not that strange.

“Long time fans might be thinking, didn’t he do a video about this already?” Dude, I still remember the old alternatehistorypt-style videos you used to make

@cgt3704

3 жыл бұрын

i rembered that

@grisha5051

3 жыл бұрын

I remember when the What if l Persia defeated Greece video came out

@Ekvitarius

3 жыл бұрын

Zoomer Imperator that was 2017. I’m talking about the 2013 era.

@mape7934

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@Tytoalba777

3 жыл бұрын

@Zoomer Imperator I'm pretty sure he still does it. The timing is just erratic.

To be honest I think that Trotsky would realize maybe after taking power that his thought of safety through elimination was not such a good idea.

@jerm70

5 ай бұрын

It didn't stop Lenin. If Trotsky had ultimate authority he would have used it.

@SeattlePioneer

2 ай бұрын

You are supposing that Trotsky WAS NOT A BOLSHEVIK? There is PLENTY of evidence that he was ----and none that he was not. Shucks ---even soft hearted Stalin gave Trotsky opportunities to LIVE after being expelled from the party. Stalin never made THAT mistake again!

Since so many different people have different reasons for portraying Trotsky in a certain way it seems ill advised to trust an account that attributes Animal Farm to Orson Welles

The true heir should not have been Stalin or Trotsky. The true heir was Tim Curry all along

@ghostontheohio

3 жыл бұрын

spaaAAACE

@idkwut4523

3 жыл бұрын

REEEEE

@schlabber9677

3 жыл бұрын

Red Alert ?

@burningbronze7555

3 жыл бұрын

@@pitipuziko3555 realistically no as anime would be near unrecognisable or never exist.

@croatianbolshevik3533

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong the people elected Stalin , Lenin didnt chose heirs in USSR people elected their leaders.

**points** Hey, I've seen this one a few years ago.

@PresidentAutumn

3 жыл бұрын

“This is a classic!”

@phasmas1803

3 жыл бұрын

New fans: What do you mean you've seen this? It's brand new,

@hunterv9983

3 жыл бұрын

Communism spreads beyond Russia, as well as becoming the aggresser in what would become WW2. And so after the Soviets are defeated, the Nazis and America enter into a Cold War. Which would ALSO mean, that instead of "The Nazis Were Right!" and "Neo Nazis" being in America, there would be far left "The Soviets Were Right!" and "Neo Soviets" would be in America.

@moonshinei

3 жыл бұрын

Hunter V and instead the left jeers and points at everything remotely right wing and calls it Nazi propaganda

@dimitriosdrossidis9633

3 жыл бұрын

@@hunterv9983 nah, even If the Nazis won (which No, but let's ignore that), they would still lose

Ironic that his willingness to listen to technical experts would have helped some problems but his ideological zeal even by revolutionary standards would have caused other issues

Having done Russian history from 1800 through the Napoleonic era up until the end of the Soviet Union, I found myself thinking about this same question and often found myself bemoaning the failure of Trotsky to take over from Lenin.

@grantflippin7808

2 ай бұрын

Then we'd bemoan the failure of Stalin to take over

"The Soviets might not just stop at Germany" "Hmm sounds familiar..." *Looks at China*

@mommat794

3 жыл бұрын

Japan already had China and most of Asia pretty well flatten by then (2nd Sino war).

@havanascp9602

3 жыл бұрын

Excuse his lack of knowledge in sure he thinks Japan was an allied 😁😁

@maxwellli7057

3 жыл бұрын

@@mommat794 a perfect vehicle to export the revolution across

@mommat794

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxwellli7057 look up William Blum on the internet archive.

@ycasto1063

3 жыл бұрын

Uh.... the CCP was waging its revolution since the mid 1920s

15:02 "Far less restraint than Stalin" is one of, if not the most terrifying phrases I think I've ever heard.

@liker-qd4fz

3 жыл бұрын

Well sh

@laurocoman

3 жыл бұрын

So Stalin was tame in comparison???

@littlebearoverlook

3 жыл бұрын

@@laurocoman As terrifying as it sounds I guess so

@Depipro

3 жыл бұрын

The same goes for Lenin himself. Simon Sebag Montefiore describes a scene in his biography of the young Stalin (until 1917, that is - he wrote about Stalin's later life and rule extensively earlier), in which Lenin, in an argument during a pre-revolution communist congress, began to call for the immediate exectuion of everyone who didn't agree with him. It was Stalin who told Lenin to calm the hell down and stop being so ridiculous.

@laurocoman

3 жыл бұрын

@@Depipro is there any communist who wasn't bat-shit insane?

Trotsky: propose Stalin to the general secretary post Stalin: exile Trotsky Trotsky: suprised pikachu face

Trotsky was a bit of a military genius but he suffered big time defeats externally and internally.

@spencer101

6 ай бұрын

He wasn't a military genius lmao, he was good at organizing and modernize the Red Army. He wasn't a strategist at all. The best thing he did was getting former Officers into the Red Army so it's a professional army instead of a Revolutionary.

So basically people romantacized Trotszky because he wrote fanfiction of himself all the time

@erikthomsen4768

3 жыл бұрын

Considering the alternatives: *Romanticizing Stalin* Yeah I can understand the blind hope.

@Journey_Awaits

3 жыл бұрын

Useless fact Stalin very rarely took a bath of course everyone was too scared to say something

@inmemoryofjstark7893

3 жыл бұрын

@Spartan 506 and the fact he killed 20milion people

@inmemoryofjstark7893

3 жыл бұрын

@Spartan 506 ? Stalin was estimated to have killed 20 million

@gabbo7101

3 жыл бұрын

@Spartan 506 tankie detected

A yes, Leon "I'm gonna start a revolution in every country that hosts me in my exile" Trotsky

@SplashTasty

3 жыл бұрын

Based

@ItsButterBean1020

3 жыл бұрын

Fuck he really did not think that one through

@jerm70

3 жыл бұрын

@@ItsButterBean1020 Mexican Ice Picks! Come get your Mexican Ice Picks!

Trotsky's willingness to use people from the old regime to train people in the USSR is kinda similar to what Mao ended up doing later

@zidorovichburblyatya2862

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but Mao ended up doing Lysenkoism which was done by Stalin's apprentice tho.

@zidorovichburblyatya2862

3 жыл бұрын

Not only Trotsky but Lenin too.

Stalin: We must prepare, for a great threat shall soon come. Trotsky: *WE ARE THE DANGER*

Ah, yes. The famous writer behind Animal Farm: Orson Welles.

@Doctor_Robert

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking maybe it was some sort of "fool-the-algorithm" thing, a bit like the KZread Party replacing the Nazis in all these videos...

@Mongolium

3 жыл бұрын

My family still thinks Orson Welles is the English socialist and George Orwell did the broadcast about aliens.

@CynicalHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

@@Doctor_Robert nope, just a slip of the tongue that neither Cody or I caught, LOL

@Doctor_Robert

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian lol, awesome. (Could've entirely fooled me)

@silentrevolver4600

3 жыл бұрын

In an alternative timeline where citizen Kane ran an animal farm in 1984 called Insoc

Trotsky was opposed to Lenin's change and move to the NEP. Stalin used this to isolate Trotsky. Trotsky also overestimated his popularity and underestimated Stalin's intelligence.

@JakobMusick

3 жыл бұрын

He also under-estimated the spinelessness and bravery of potential allies in the party.

@thomasprat7760

3 жыл бұрын

He was also an inconsistent and undecided leftist who had bad strategies and couldn’t make up his mind. Lenin called him a political slut in the newspapers, to make sure that he wouldn’t replace him.

@JakobMusick

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasprat7760 Whom are u referrıng to?

@thomasprat7760

3 жыл бұрын

@@JakobMusick Trotsky. He played a crucial role in the October revolution and in the civil war, but then his ideas were constantly changing and he wasn’t consistent. Then he fled in 1928-29 and started advocating for a US military coup in the SU.

@JakobMusick

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasprat7760 Stalins were also changing throughout the years. Stalin was the ultimate opportunist. It was charecteristic of State Socialism for the 'party line' to change. These people were forging absolutely new paths. Their ideas changed as the conditions changed, and their prospects of being in or out of power also changed

5:58 the memories this scene gave me. Ill never forget this series

I mentally jumbled Trotsky with Tchaikovsky when reading the title, and that sounds like a interesting scenario.

@gnas1897

3 жыл бұрын

USSR anthem: 1922 overture

Another scenario that could be interesting: what if Lenin was in better health and remained alive and in power a few years (or decades) longer?

@sergiowinter5383

3 жыл бұрын

Then, since Lenin wiuld be in, Stalin would be out, so he would become Stalout and maybe be related to Stallone.

@wonderfulwonderful8543

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Williams Search up Lenin's : Peaceful Coexistence It would have been the opposite

@PORRRIDGE_GUN

3 жыл бұрын

Churchill wrote that 'Russia's greatest misfortune was Lenin's birth. It's second greatest misfortune was his untimely death' Even an arch imperialist and capitalist like Churchill could see that the Soviet Union was ultimately a humanist ideology. He found it easy to be an ally of the Soviet Union because he argued 'Whilst Nazism can only get worse, Bolshevism can only get better' When your ideological opponents respect and agree with you, you know you are doing something right.

@handsomejas105

3 жыл бұрын

@@PORRRIDGE_GUN man fuck I wish Lenin didn't die

@Varun37251

2 жыл бұрын

Lenin would’ve accidentally been killed and Trotsky would’ve disappeared. Stalin would then reluctantly take power and eat all the grain.

On Hitler's armband, he replaced the swastica with the youtube Icon, subtle, lol.

@alexross1816

3 жыл бұрын

(Not making fun of you) It's been like that for a while, specifically since KZread's been flagging and censoring WWII videos.

@konigstiger3252

3 жыл бұрын

Remember the the left for their sins and vote come Nov

@xump4617

3 жыл бұрын

Königstiger what?

@Aeluron

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Qannon is healthy for you. Don't listen

@mage1over137

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I do remember that now, he made a whole video. I feel like an idiot.

Great video Cody, keep up the good work buddy!

Imagine knowing nearly nothing about Trotsky but making a video about it

George Orwell: "...who the bloody hell is Orson Welles?"

@MarcosElMalo2

3 жыл бұрын

You’ve never seen The Magnificent Burmese Ambersons?

@bradfordhatch5085

3 жыл бұрын

He was best known for the (largely fictional) panic aroused by his (actual) broadcast of a radio play based on War of the Worlds in 1938. But apparently this guy just had a brain fart when he said Orson Welles instead of George Orwell.

@JonatasAdoM

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradfordhatch5085 To be honest their names are quite similar.

@bradfordhatch5085

3 жыл бұрын

@@JonatasAdoM Oh, I know that; that's probably how the brain fart (or Freudian slip if you prefer the actual technical name) came about in the first place. I wasn't *dissing* the man, if that's what you thought. We *all* make such slips; God knows I've made my share. That doesn't mean the guy was dumb or anything. If anything the smarter and more educated you are the more likely you are to make such slips! Hence the common trope of the absent-minded professor. :-)

@piyo744

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradfordhatch5085 If I had a nickel for the times I've messed up Will Farrell and Pharell Williams...

Alternate History: What if George Orwell was a radio host and Orson Wells was a writer.

@ThePreciseClimber

3 жыл бұрын

"Snowball... That's right. Snowball Frozen Peas. Full of country goodness and green peaness."

@njb1126

3 жыл бұрын

I heard that and thought did I hear that right? Maybe that’s the same world where the president was Ronald Reagan, the First Lady was Jane wyman, and the Vice President was Jerry Lewis

@NoahBodze

3 жыл бұрын

Orwell WAS a radio host. For the BBC. He did anti communist propaganda. Look it up. His work as a broadcaster for the BBC is what gave him the details for the offices and rooms in the Ministry of Truth.

@robertjohnson1647

3 жыл бұрын

Citizen Smith (that's probably only going to work for UK readers).

@robertjohnson1647

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoahBodze and Wells was a writer. He co-wrote Citizen Kane.

>the USSR would be an ideological fanatical state So... just like the USSR?

@JohnDoe-mp1yn

3 жыл бұрын

when you're a radical leftist like me, you'd know that they were authoritarian social democrats who can't be brought to actually practice communism.

@susangoaway

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-mp1yn Same enemies to me.

@JohnDoe-mp1yn

3 жыл бұрын

@@susangoaway social democrats are plugging the holes of capitalism, so you better pray they get shit done. you will never be a billionaire and capitalists will always be private dictators.

@robertstan298

3 жыл бұрын

What world superpower across history isn't? Cause we all know US imperialism isn't fanatical at all. "they hate us because of our fReEdOm" *US proceeds to bomb another children's hospital*... Yep, that must be it.

@susangoaway

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-mp1yn Social democrats are the ones creating these holes in capitalism turning it into cronyism. They are the last ones I'd trust.

This is easily my favorite video of yours

"So basically centrist" Jreg wants to know your location

@Targisvear

3 жыл бұрын

For a handshake?

@randomuser5443

3 жыл бұрын

Targi Svear Centracide

@Targisvear

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomuser5443 I mean, Cody was criticising people who would take fascists side just because communist attack them by calling them "basically centrist" so Cody isn't being nice to them, unless Jreg would centracide at the mention of them at all... would he?

@JohnSmith-gz4fs

3 жыл бұрын

@@Targisvear I think we both know the answer

@Targisvear

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-gz4fs So like "Meet the Parents" it is: "You said centrism on an airplane" "I said I didn't like centrism" "You said centrism on an airplane".

19:07 did cypher really call George Orwell Orson Welles?

@cynthmcgpoet

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, he did.

@WinderTP

3 жыл бұрын

Orson Welles wrote Animal Farm in the timeline where Trotsky got to power

@col.nugget1524

3 жыл бұрын

I was so confused....

@cyberpotato63

3 жыл бұрын

At least it wasn't me having a brain fart. I'm getting old and thought I was having a senior moment, or maybe there was a glitch in the matrix.

@AP-hv9ll

3 жыл бұрын

Cypher, to me, can be a bit of a know-it-all pompous twat, so I find this especially funny.

*@ **19:00** or so;* Orson Wells didn't write Animal Farm; George Orwell wrote it.

3:20 On mobile, when I tap the screen to pull up the pause, previous & next video, CC, fullscreen, etc. buttons, the figures get an outline and little angry faces in light gray.

“He was extremely opinionated, even by leftist revolutionary standards.”

@Journey_Awaits

3 жыл бұрын

“Blow up the moon to empower black minorities”

@comissar8953

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah we leftists don't like trots

@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148

3 жыл бұрын

@@comissar8953 I can't think of a strain that LIKES trots. from anarchist, to Marxist-Leninist from Council comminists and syndicalists to Third world Maoists and Bordgists. Is there any actual kind of leftist that likes Trots?

@comissar8953

3 жыл бұрын

@@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148 maybe leftcoms but idk , he has Trotskyists

@comissar8953

3 жыл бұрын

@@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148 there is a kind of meme Trotskyism , posadism believes in permanent Revolution and nuclear war and aliens lol

"And they have aged terribly." *"OOOOPS."*

@AvsJoe

3 жыл бұрын

RIP Sequelitis

@creshiell

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I understood, alas I know nothing of history and only watch these because me likey the voice

@dakkarnemo1094

3 жыл бұрын

@@creshiell The picture was used on an old video of his on Trotsky, but it's not Trotsky there. I forgot what the guy's name was.

@creshiell

3 жыл бұрын

@@dakkarnemo1094 that's amazing LMFAO thank you

@th3d3storoy3r

3 жыл бұрын

@@dakkarnemo1094 Yeah, IIRC, it was Mikhail Kalinin

"Stalin is too rude and this fault become unacceptable in the office of the General Secretary. Therefore I propose to the comrades that a way be found to remove Stalin from his position and replace him with someone more considerate to his comrades" Lenin

I feel that Trotsky was the closest to fully embrace Marx's ideals. Lenin was ruthless, but he did think communism would help everybody, Stalin was just an asshole

I rmember reading one of trotsky's books once and he started it with going off about how the west are technically wrong with the months they use for the 1917 revolutions. The original umm acktually

@fanaticaltechpriest1002

3 жыл бұрын

What a stupidly pointless and irrelevant detail, definitely Trotsky

@jayayerson8819

3 жыл бұрын

It's not so much that the western dates are wrong, but that Russia used a different calendar. For example, in the old Russian calendar, the taking of the Winter Palace was in October 1917, but by the western calendar it was already November. LOTS of quotes give the dates in the original Russian calendar.

@jossaha

3 жыл бұрын

@@fanaticaltechpriest1002 Very relevant given that the topic was Russia's relationship with modernity. Moron.

@thaneofwhiterun3562

3 жыл бұрын

It's because Russia still used the Julian calendar and it's date differs by a week or so.

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

@@thaneofwhiterun3562 - By some 13 days.

RIP this comments section. May the tankie/red-baiter feud commence!

@merrittanimation7721

3 жыл бұрын

May the comments be stained red with blood and communism.

@rolanddeschain5161

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they'll cancel each other out.

@Edax_Royeaux

3 жыл бұрын

Adelante, Compañeros!

@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303

3 жыл бұрын

*munches popcorn in anarchist*

@Brandonhayhew

3 жыл бұрын

What if the Second Great Depression actually happens?

Despite his poor ideas, Lenin was a man who genuinely wanted to improve Russia. Stalin was just paranoid AF and only wanted power. Lenin didn't even want Stalin to succeed him.

That damn Orson Welles and his romanticizing of Trotsky in Citizen Kane

Trotsky takes power of the Soviet Union, accidently falls down the stairs onto 72 knives and Stalin reluctantly comes into power. There is always Stalin comrade.

@LydiaRavenQueen

3 жыл бұрын

😆😆😆🤮

@GargamelGold

3 жыл бұрын

AL S, Not if Stalin died before being able to gain power. That’s another possibility. Perhaps Trotsky only gained power because Stalin wasn’t around to take it

@als3022

3 жыл бұрын

@@GargamelGold Comrade I think you need to talk to these nice men with guns. They will show you how Stalin would always have been around. Good point though.

@joemama-qy4fb

3 жыл бұрын

*"reluctantly"*

@luskarian4055

3 жыл бұрын

Two self-inflicted gunshots in the back of Trotsky's head, Stalin had no choice but to step up

I love how he replaced the swastika with the KZread logo 😂

@antilinkpartyleader3239

3 жыл бұрын

Where

@CassDaMan1138

3 жыл бұрын

@@antilinkpartyleader3239 The fact that you didn't notice makes it even funnier

@antilinkpartyleader3239

3 жыл бұрын

@@CassDaMan1138 I was at 4 minutes while reading comments and I noticed it

@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou

3 жыл бұрын

always has been

@TomJohnson67

3 жыл бұрын

@@antilinkpartyleader3239 14:12

Stalin's greatest atrocity? Allowing Ayn Rand to learn to read and write.

Thought of this yesterday night, and just slept regardless.

"But *Orson Welles* had to stick his pen in it..." This is truly an alternate timeline.

@Akrafena

Жыл бұрын

probs because welles is similar to orwell

So, Trotsky would be my average Soviet run of Hearts of Iron

@sevret313

3 жыл бұрын

I tried being a nice Stalin and not purge anyone in one of my Russia runs, but then Trotsky attacked.

@talltroll7092

3 жыл бұрын

@@sevret313 Everything changed when... Never mind

@math3000

3 жыл бұрын

I always do a Trotsky run, I like the stage a coup buffs

I always feel slightly awkward about how hot Stalin was as a young man; I'm straight, Moustache Boy, get out of my brain!

In Orwell's Defense he did show some corruption before Snowball [Trotsky] was exiled. The Pigs all agreed to hoard the apples, Snowball [Trotsky] included. Snowball [Trotsky] also discouraged Boxer from crying over a dead man. Snowball [Trotsky] by all accounts was a fanatic. However Animal Farm's view of the Russian Revolution was still rather skewed in favor of Snowball [Trotsky] making him into a martyr for the Socialist's Theology. Old Georgie was a socialist himself after all. Therefore his work cannot be used to criticize Socialism, despite that clearly being what Animal Farm is about!!

Personally, I'm particularly interested in Cypher's alternate history Animal Farm, which is his universe was written by Orson Welles rather than George Orwell... :D

@vydave

2 жыл бұрын

I'm still not sure if it was a joke, or an oversight on Cypher's part. Either way, Citizen Kane but it's Animal Farm. Talk about a confusing crossover.

*holy crap he's wearing a budenovka, my life is complete.*

@thatoneportuguese6843

3 жыл бұрын

Russian civil war uniform goes brrrrrrrrr

@awkwardbound569

3 жыл бұрын

he just needs some telogreika and then our lives would be complete

@historyarmyproductions

3 жыл бұрын

@@awkwardbound569 And Sapogi. Don't forget the Sapogi

@awkwardbound569

3 жыл бұрын

@@historyarmyproductions Also the gimnasterka

13:55 another perfect opportunity to use the “OOPS!” sound effect

I'll admit that the history I learned painted Trotsky as the more moderate of the two. As stated, I imagine that came a great deal from his criticism of Stalin from exile (making him appear to be so), and Orwell's expansion on that in "Animal Farm".

Astronaut:"Wait Trotsky's regime would have been equally as bad as Stalin's and maybe even worse?" Astronaut with gun:"всегда был известен."

@photon4076

3 жыл бұрын

I guess they would be Cosmonauts in this case.

@vinimiominvinimiominominov3996

3 жыл бұрын

Братан, ты запостил скукожиться

OutKast: What's cooler than being cool? Trotsky: *ICE COLD*

@limeboiler5471

3 жыл бұрын

avery, my hero

@markhenley3097

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaaha ice pick go brrrr

@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo7315

3 жыл бұрын

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT

@talltroll7092

3 жыл бұрын

@@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo7315 HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY YAAAAAA

@Poffean

3 жыл бұрын

Avery go away

I just want to raise a point, the kulaks were not hard working farmers that earned their way. They took advantage of a 1910s program established by Stolypin to pull their land out of the village shared system, they basically stole the best land from everyone else. They were despised for this

@solthegamer3769

2 жыл бұрын

The Kulaks were just more successful farmers. Whether they got that success honestly or not is irrelevant to the Soviets

@SeattlePioneer

2 жыл бұрын

> Oh, boohoo! So you say they were plucky and self confident.

@NathanLucas5

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeattlePioneer what? no I'm saying the opposite. Private land reform in Russia was a very recent situation. The Kulaks were those who stole the best land from the strip system (prior to the Stolypin reforms, the land was marked into strips and each farmer in the village received a set of strips, some good, some bad, ensuring everyone had a balance). They were thieves who got rich at their neighbors' expense

@SeattlePioneer

2 жыл бұрын

@@NathanLucas5 You are a TREASURE! It's very rare to find a committed Stalinist who will still repeat the lies underpinning one of the great massacres in human history! That's the equivalent of someone who blames the Jews for being the victims of Hitler.

@NathanLucas5

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeattlePioneer I'm not a stalinist and I don't support collectivization, my issue is with the common portrayal of Kulaks as family farmers who just did well

trotsky was the original left twitter

I think you guys overcomplicated Trotsky rise to power. Yes, he was greatly disliked by the party. It doesn't matter though because he was liked by the army. There's a reason why Stalin executed pretty much every officers in the Red Army after Trotsky left (which is actually a big reason why the Soviets did so poorly in the Winter War and the start of WW2, they just had no experienced officers left at all.) That reason is that the army and especially the generals still supported Trotsky who was their leader for so long. So I don't think Trotsky rise to power happens by him somehow seducing the Politburo, I think it happens with Trotsky just not accepting it when they kick him out of the party, rallying up his generals and becoming a military dictator. Sure, doing something like that would be against what Trotsky believed in but, as you said, he was a contrarian and a zealot, he could easily convince himself it was in the interest of the revolution in the long run. I'm also glad you point out that the Soviets could easily win that version of WW2 because, without the officer's purge Stalin did, I think the Red army would have been a lot more formidable.

@victortisme

3 жыл бұрын

The correct take

@jpusar

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think the Soviets would take control of the world. More like Cody’s take on the Nazis: eventually civil conflicts bog down the empire, and US/Canada/Australia become fighting forces to eventually take it down....and just like in the IRL USSR their inevitable undoing will be their own system and lack of innovation to keep up with the West while maintaining such a vast empire. Making it larger doesn’t change the fact that a socialist empire fighting a capitalist one in innovation will never win. In fact it exasperates a lot of the issues it had being bogged down in massive bureaucracy and mismanagement. ...or everyone just dies in nuclear hellfire and no one wins. Don’t see a scenario where the Soviets take over the world. But yeah, probably the majority of it (Europe and most of Asia).

@truedarklander

3 жыл бұрын

@@jpusar The thing is that with Trotsky, the ideology of the USSR is changed completely (you know, party separated from economics) and more union power, and less command economics, therefore there's more room for improvement (the USSR actually didnt lack improvement and innovation, it lacked consumer products and individual people)

@hypppo

3 жыл бұрын

Most purged officers were not shot. Many were in fact reinstated. Do 3 of 5 marshals were shot.

@giantWario

3 жыл бұрын

​ @hypppo Yes, 3 of 5 marshalls. Also 13 of 15 army commanders, 8 of 9 admirals, 50 of 57 army corps commanders, 154 out of 186 division commanders, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars. And most of those who weren't purged were Bolsheviks who were put in those positions because of their political affiliation with the Politburo, every veteran officers who had actually served either Trotsky or the Tsar at some point were purged. And those who were reinstated were only reinstated during WW2 after Russia had already lost millions of men. The effects of the purge on the Red Army were massive dude. Their ''strategy'' during the Winter War was basically to send their armies in a single compact line toward Finland's biggest cities. And then they wondered why they lost 6 times more men and thousands of tanks to Finnish infantry on skis.

Twitter tankies: “I’m a Marxist-Leninist, meaning I believe Lenin was correct in his assertions about the world and politics.” Also Twitter tankies: “Stalin was based.”

@MasterAdam100

3 жыл бұрын

Marxist Leninists are not Leninists but Stalinists.

@ryhanzfx1641

3 жыл бұрын

@@MasterAdam100 depends on who you arguing

@comissar8953

3 жыл бұрын

@@MasterAdam100 that's dumb

@theblackestvoid

3 жыл бұрын

Not all ML's are the Stalinist types, the stalinists are usually teenagers and just really loud(they post and reply a lot).

@comissar8953

3 жыл бұрын

@@theblackestvoid I know 40 year old MLs which support Stalin and can be considered stalinists

Stalin offered to resign his postof general secretary SIX times, whenever the Testament (called that by Trotskyists, whether or not Lenin could have even really written/dictated the document is sketchy) was called out during a party congress. But he had everyone so wrapped around his finger no one was willing to

@SeattlePioneer

2 жыл бұрын

That's right. That showed Stalin as the master of political organization and intrigue.

0:46 Michail Kalinin :)

In a nutshell. Stalin: Entrench against capitalism. Trotsky: Crusade against capitalism, *MARX VULT* Bukharin: Defeat capitalism on their own game. In order to defeat the enemy, we must become the enemy. *Deng Xiaoping takes notes

@ahmet-eo1zd

3 жыл бұрын

Nice one mate

@bloomper

3 жыл бұрын

Xiaoping wasn't a socialist

@lukexu6400

3 жыл бұрын

Deng was probably a communist in the 20s through 40s, but by the time of Mao's death he was arguably one of the most right-leaning leaders in China. Most of Deng's supporters today fits pretty well into the stereotypical US Republican voter image, although more socially conservative (you hear me right) and favor slightly more government intervention.

@orrorsaness5942

3 жыл бұрын

@@lukexu6400 So a stereotypical US Democrat. I see.

@robertjohnson1647

3 жыл бұрын

@@orrorsaness5942 weak

what westen historians dont get right is that the "lenin letter" was refered to the general assembly of the Soviet Comunist party and metioned many personalitys of the politic buro with critism on their positive and negatives. Not only stalin but also Trosky buharin and otheirs.

@ImmelMasterTV

2 жыл бұрын

The worst adjective Lenin stated on the big three: Stalin - Authoritarian Trotsky - Political Slut Bukharin - Young and unprepared

@arthurfine4284

2 жыл бұрын

So it was Lenin's essentially roasting the Bolsheviks from his deathbed...

@charlietheron8947

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but he later sent a second letter calling for the removal of Stalin. Although the letter did come from Lenin's wife who was an active party member and was vocally against Stalin so who knows the authenticity.

I live in Mexico city, very close to Trotsky’s home while in exile, it is now a museum, its shameful my country gave assylum to such a dangerous ideologue

You should totally do a what if Beria took over after Stalin video

2 things that I would like to clarify about Animal farm: - In the book it is hinted that Snowball would be just as bad of a leader as Napoleon(the windmill plan, his zealotry about Animalism, the stolen milk ,etc..) . -Orwell didn't release the book, that is a thing only a publishing company can do, and in fact was rejected numerous times because of the war alliance.

@brandonlyon730

3 жыл бұрын

There was also Snowball agreeing with the plan that all apples from the apple tree would go to only the pigs. It was one of the few things he and Napoleon agreed on.

@paireon3419

3 жыл бұрын

It's almost as if most people are bad at getting subtlety... Hmm...

Title: "What if Trotsky Came To Power Instead Of Stalin?" Me who put Trotsky in power in HOI4: Been there, done that.

@fkjl4717

3 жыл бұрын

Is it given you some profit? Trotsky just gives faster wargoals and you have to trade best generals and ministers for Him...

@mangoshi1251

3 жыл бұрын

I do like playing with Permanent Revolution + NKVD Primacy to turn Europe communist without firing a shot. Slower wargoals are annoying, but I’m not a fan of world conquest anyways. Once I kill the Axis as USSR, it gets pretty boring.

@wennick4859

3 жыл бұрын

@@mangoshi1251 same I usually just win ww2 conquer some time countries around me and give up

@someoneepiciguess505

3 жыл бұрын

@@mangoshi1251 im doing that with road to 56, you should challange japan and the usa, and this comment was 2 months ago so idk if you done it, and also build up the nuke piles.

@finns935

2 жыл бұрын

well, the New Soviet DLC comes out sooner, and good luck..

The swastika being replaced by the KZread logo is the greatest piece of irony and symbolism I’ve ever seen😂

I just want to mention that all of this hinges on the idea that Trotsky manages to hold on to power alone, but a major theme in Trotsky's presence in the party is the coalitions he built with other members of it. Left Opposition wasn't just Trotsky's yes-men, they were syndicalists, marxist feminists, former mensheviks and more. A Soviet Union ruled by Trotsky may and would have committed same attrocities as Stalin's Soviet Union, but in no way is it a Union determined by the personality of one man. Trotsky also wasn't as bad of a military commander as you are making him out to be, the failed invasion of Poland happened that way because of insubordination in the military hierarchy rather than bad planning. If I recall correctly, troops under Stalin's command deviated from the orders they were given for the explicit purpose of gaining more capital in the party. Combine that with successful radio jamming by the Polish radists and good planning on Marshal Pilsudzki's part, it led to what we now call "Miracle at Vistula". Trotsky fostered a lot of myths around himself, because he wanted to be the face of what Soviet Union could've been, but would he actually take charge of the country, he couldn't play the part of an absolute ruler. In your effort to dispell the myth, you completely overlooked efforts of all the other people who stood by his side and could make his bid a successful one.

What people don’t really understand is that the prime difference between Stalin and Trotsky geopolitically is that Trotsky believed in exporting the Revolution while Stalin wasn’t really that expansionist. His reasons for taking the Eastern European satellites was not because he wanted to spread communism, but because he wanted a buffer to keep Russia safe from western invasions.

@brandonlyon730

3 жыл бұрын

Except for the Baltic states who were outright conquered and were made as full states in the Union.

@nickrustyson8124

3 жыл бұрын

Eastern Europe was basically a Meat Shield

@pancholopez8829

3 жыл бұрын

Cody did mentioned that in the first video he did on What if Stalin never rose to power? I'm disappointed that he didn't put that fact here.

@davideb.4290

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickrustyson8124 yeah, just like us europeans were to america. With the difference being that USA also have 2 oceans

@lucasfuzatocipriano652

3 жыл бұрын

@@MyName-lq7rv And also to have a bigger coast on the baltics i belive?

19:04 Calls George Orwell "Orson Welles". K

@fikanera838

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't even direct the film. It was John Stephenson, 14 years after Welles died...

@robotv56

3 жыл бұрын

@@fikanera838 I think the bigger issue is that Orson Welles had nothing to do with it.

@alexross1816

3 жыл бұрын

In his defense, I know many people who get then confused (myself included, I also throw in H. G. Wells because reasons).

@JohnSmith-wx9wj

3 жыл бұрын

He did that to avoid demonetization.

@jonathanslater1397

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-wx9wj ...how does that work exactly?

1:27 Damn. Young Stalin was kind of a chad

@parthrajput2330

13 күн бұрын

He got a 13 year old pregnant at 27

I'd like to see that Navel battle, the Bismarck class with the Iowa class...that'd be fun.

"But Orson Welles had to stick his pen in it" Very funny way to pronounce George Orwell there.

@lutherblissett2634

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't get this joke. What was it all about?

@LtLuigi25

3 жыл бұрын

Luther Blissett Cynical said Orson Welles when he talked about Animal Farm, Orson Welles did not write Animal Farm, George Orwell did. Orwell, O. Welles.

@lutherblissett2634

3 жыл бұрын

@@LtLuigi25 Yeah i got that one, but i thought there would be something deeper about it 🤷🏻‍♂️

@skywindow6764

3 жыл бұрын

@@lutherblissett2634 deeper than your name?

@lutherblissett2634

3 жыл бұрын

@@skywindow6764 that was what I was hoping for 😉

Alternate History Cypher: Woodrow Wilson is to blame for the rise of Trotsky

@europadefender

3 жыл бұрын

Why

@gamebawesome

3 жыл бұрын

@@europadefender simplified, Woodrow Wilson kept the US neutral, which lead to WWI lasting longer, and the Germans sending Lenin back to Russia, who later lead a revolution against the Russian Republic, which lead the Soviet Union. Also he created Wilsonism, which basically means that America should intervene in other countries to make it safe for democracy

@samuelwithers2221

3 жыл бұрын

@@gamebawesome Wilsonianism is just a fancy way of saying imperialism with democracy sprinkled in. At least Teddy was honest about it

@NathanDudani

3 жыл бұрын

@@samuelwithers2221 aT lEaSt

@samuelwithers2221

3 жыл бұрын

@@NathanDudani Relax, not defending Teddy, but he didn't even beat the bush about it

It's the first time I realize I am an "old subscriber" because I do remember that first video 🤣

wow thats quite a research - well done, basically the story is truth except few mentioned "facts", but still well done - much respect

"I've seen this one before." "What do you mean you've seen this before, it's brand new."

@orgluzman561Peace_IL_PS

3 жыл бұрын

nice

@darring1070

3 жыл бұрын

I approve

@SaberViper

3 жыл бұрын

@Thunder Lightning what's a re-run?

TL;DR: We would be asking "what if Stalin came to power"

I love your replacement symbol for the Nazi Swastika, very funny.Your ending analysis is spot on.

The best part of this video is everytime he mentions Trotsky, the animation of him raging at his typewriter just makes me LOL

Congrats to Cypher, getting Orson Wells and George Orwell mixed up

@adrianmedina2629

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@twoscarabsintheswarm9055

3 жыл бұрын

He said the wrong name, people do it all the time, Jesus

@RHR199X

3 жыл бұрын

Georgson Orwells

@Depipro

3 жыл бұрын

@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 Indeed, in the given context, Jesus would be the wrong name also. :p

@twoscarabsintheswarm9055

3 жыл бұрын

@@Depipro yes but I just don't like how everyone cared so much about the wrong name being said, someone tried to portray it as a reason why Cody is a bad KZreadr or something

Pedantic point - Trotsky was only very briefly a Menshevik, he quit the Mensheviks to become an "interdistricter" an independent Marxist hoping to bring the Mensheviks and Bolsheviks back together again. (although he remained friends with Julius Martov, the Menshevik leader) Trotsky was very bad at political scheming and building a power base, so I think if Lenin had denounced Stalin more vocally the anti-Trotsky troika would have been Zinoviev, Kamanev and Bukahrin rather than Zinoviev, Kamanev and Stalin. Zinoviev was probably the second best political schemer after Stalin, so he would ultimately have taken over, Trotsky would have found himself kicked upstairs, perhaps serving as president. (Basically a non-job in the Soviet Union, the real president in our timeline - Kalinin - was so insignficant Stalin didn't even bother having him killed.) If Trotsky had somehow got into power, he might have been better than Stalin, but still not great. His criticisms of Stalin read a lot like Khruschev's - ironic since modern Trotskyists consider the post-Stalinist Soviet Union to be a "deformed worker-state" or even "state capitalist". Trotsky was also an advocate of pursuing revolution in western colonies and semi-colonial areas, especially India and China. We would likely see massive Soviet aid to the Chinise Communists and to the Congress Party in India; Britain could have faced a major uprising in India while Mao (or one of his rivals) could have come to power in the 1930's. As for Germany, Trotsky would probably have avoided Stalin's truly stupid "third period" doctrine which saw the Communists ordered to spend all their time attacking the Social Democrats and ignoring Hitler. While an alliance of Communists and Social Democrats might have simply prompted Hindenburg to appoint Hitler Chancellor a year or two earlier than in our timeline, it is possible that this could instead have forstalled the rise of Hitler - perhaps by radical Social Democrat - backed by the Communists - taking the German presidency. However, there would have been fierce resistance from German conservatives and the military to this, so it is possible that Germany could have slid into civil war, and perhaps ended up devided. With Germany split and the USSR waging proxy wars against the west in the developing world, this alternate 1930's looks a lot like the Cold War, maybe that was the one inevitablity of the 20th century!

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

Trotsky's only chance was to have switched sides in the Kronstadt Rebellion and go back to his (very ferocious) anti-Lenin gimmicks of his earlier years. He was definitely not smart enough and was swallowed by the BP Neo-Platonic nonsense.

@marsetc4806

3 жыл бұрын

best take in the comments section, seriously there's an entire collection of shit trotsky wrote AT THE TIME about what the USSR should have been doing about fascism and I don't recall "idk headfirst invasion of germany" being in there, and yeah the third period then popular front strategy was awful and trotsky specifically wrote against it

@DarkLordoftheMeme

3 жыл бұрын

@Awawawa CM True, but my point is, modern Trotskyists don't like Khrushchev, and didn't when he was in power. The feeling was mutual, Khrushchev gave Ramon Mercader - Trotsky's assassin - the Order of Lenin and the Soviet Union continued to view Trotsky as a traitor, even though the "Stalinism-lite" policies of this era weren't that different from Trotsky's position.

I love how you changed A's logo to that of the host