It's weird to think that if the Ancient British didn't get conquered, I would be speaking Gaelic

@kadenelijah9329

2 жыл бұрын

It’s likely some other group or even the Saxons would invade at some point

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

More accurately you’d be speaking some derivative of Brythonic, basically another Celtic dialect

@constantinethecataphract5949

2 жыл бұрын

Your lineage wouldn't exist. You wouldn't exist because there would be no anglo saxons

@talideon

2 жыл бұрын

@@warlordofbritannia With a name like "Mitchell", it all depends. Some Mitchells trace their name back to Surrey, others to Ireland, where an Irish surname that roughly translates as "Follower of (Saint) Michael" got anglicised as "Mitchell" because it sounded close enough.

@talideon

2 жыл бұрын

@@warlordofbritannia Also Brythonic is a whole language family, not a "dialect".

Biggest one: the economic growth of the UK is alarmingly based on Roman roads and specifically how the lead to and from London. Say York instead (the Viking capital) becomes the largest city of this land, changes the north/south divide, maybe more looking more to Denmark than France for kinship etc. Though my boring general guess would be basically the same except the Vikings win and the become assimilated. Britain becomes more Nordic, but probably still ends up splitting from the church of Rome , becoming a seafaring nation etc

@jonatanlj747

2 жыл бұрын

I actually doubt that the vikings would establish much of a presence at all, since I think the island would be quite poor. More attention would instead be placed on mainland Europe for the spoils to be found there. With the vikings barely establishing themselves on Albion, the Britons instead keep warring with each other with possibly a unifying king coming along and establishing something similar to the HRE, albeit maybe even more decentralized, and since it would be poorer and more out of the way (while still fighting endless wars among the little tribes/earldoms), it would become very isolated from the rest of Europe.

@vorynrosethorn903

2 жыл бұрын

The Normans were surprisingly unique and had a far deeper influence than people often given them credit for (with many of them misattributed to Anglo-saxons, who were themselves quite something but in large part that is how alien they are to post conquest Britain's society and culture, a shared origin certainly but one that diverged wildly). A Scandinavian Britain would likely be very very different, the English at least would be culturally, socially and govermentally something completely different.

@ukmaxi

2 жыл бұрын

@@vorynrosethorn903 Well yes, the Norman conquest led to centuries of French dynasties squabbling over the English throne. The biggest example for the effect on the people is the Doomsday book.

@Arkantos117

2 жыл бұрын

@@ukmaxi The Norman conquest also lead to the Harrying of the North which was a genocide/expulsion of the people living north of The Humber resulting in the north of England being significantly poorer than the south from then on.

@Kainlarsen

2 жыл бұрын

I've long felt that we should maintain a closer relationship with the Scandanavian countries. Might be my Northern heritage speaking, since my dad's side of the family comes from County Durham and Sunderland, where the Nordic influence is stronger. My mum's side is more Irish.

One minor thing is that bagpipes would likely not become a part of Scottish culture like they are today. Some historians say that bagpipes were brought to Britain by the Romans.

@emrecanarduc4378

2 жыл бұрын

greeks in anatolia had them.maybe it came from pontic anatolia. Search "tulum müziği"

@damionkeeling3103

Жыл бұрын

Hard to say. Bagpipes became popular in Europe during the middle ages and spread to England and the rest of the British Isles. The Irish developed their own version for using in battle and later these Irish war pipes developed into the Highland bagpipes. At the same time the lowland Scots would have been playing the Northumbrian pipes which were based on the more common pipes being used across Europe. Bagpipes then fell out of fashion but were retained in the Highlands where they even replaced the traditional harp.

Just to correct some of the people in the comments: *Celtic is a language family, like Romance or Germanic. *Gaelic or Goidelic refers to the branch of Celtic languages traditionally spoken in Ireland, Scotland and the Isle of Mann. In Ireland, the preferred name for their language when speaking of it in English is, 'Irish'. The dialects of English spoken in Ireland are called, 'Hiberno-English'. *Brythonic or Brittonic is the name for the branch of Celtic languages spoken on the island of Britain, traditionally in Wales and Cornwall but includes Breton, which is spoken in Brittany (the first Bretons were refugees who came from the southwestern part of what we now call England. The Gaelic languages and Brythonic languages are not mutually intelligible, but speakers of Gaelic languages can understand each other with some ease. Speakers of Brythonic languages can also understand each other to a certain degree, with Breton being the outlier due to the French influence on the language. A dialect of Welsh was also spoken as far as Carlisle and the territory of the Otadini (Which lends its name to the name of the oldest poem in Welsh and thus the oldest poem in Britain, Y Gododdin) until around the 11thC AD. Welsh is the healthiest of the Celtic languages with over 800,000 speakers in Wales alone, but a couple thousand in England and a handful in a province of Argentina also speak it. These are not mysterious, elf languages used by old folks to communicate in secret, they are living languages used to talk about our day-to-day lives, at school, at home, at the shops, even in our devolved parliaments. Movies, games, TV shows etc are made in these languages. They're not just spoken by nationalists either, and wanting to preserve them isn't a nationalistic thing. (By this I mean that even the most staunch British unionists will still seek to preserve Welsh and S.Gaelic. They are alive, in the case of Welsh, Irish, Breton and Scots Gaelic, and are being revived in the cases of Manx and Cornish, and they all deserve respect. Not that Cody disrespected them in this vid or anything (everything he said in regards to Brythonic history was accurate). Also, in Welsh, w and y are vowels, just as they are in English words like: noW, and partY. Before anyone makes any dumb comments.

@camwyn256

2 жыл бұрын

I love the Irish language. It sounds like you're slurring when speaking it so it's easy to speak and understand while drunk

@urubissoldat5452

2 жыл бұрын

Whether you like it or not, keeping your national identity ie language is in fact a nationalistic idea. Especially if you had to revive it, Cymru am byth

@timothymclean

2 жыл бұрын

@@urubissoldat5452 As with all national ideas, it can fall into two categories depending on whose spreading them. If you're a member of a marginalized ethnic group, good luck keeping your culture alive! If you're a member of the dominant group, quit whining and making up problems, the English language isn't in any danger.

@matthewlo55

2 жыл бұрын

Ok nerd

@timothymclean

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewlo55 You're watching an alternate history video. It's not even a trendy alternate _modern_ history video. We're all nerds here.

I along with several others would very much like to see the continuation of this episode to the worldwide impact, provided it isn’t to much trouble or in the way of other plans

@AstarteCX

2 жыл бұрын

It’d be too much guessing that it would just be a fantasy world

@azahel542

2 жыл бұрын

A world without england is always a welcome one.

@AstarteCX

2 жыл бұрын

@@azahel542 seethe + cope + savage + colonial + inferior

@sofiaormbustad7467

2 жыл бұрын

Same, a second longer video would be awesome

@olympia5758

2 жыл бұрын

@@azahel542 Don't worry. That's going to happen by the end of the century.

As a welsh girl, yeah, most of this is fairly spot on, and our timeline's Ireland makes a good comparison for what probably would have happened if we were still independent and all that when christianity rocked up... But that probably means Ireland stays a lot more pagan a lot longer, perhaps up until the period where Scandinavia is christianised. Which it's a LOT more likely that it got documented and preserved. So, you'd likely see in the modern day, a pop culture variant of celtic mythology similar to the way we often see Norse and Greek myth today, and a larger reconstructionist movement of people reverting to practice the old faith since it's easier to learn about.

@DIEGhostfish

2 жыл бұрын

Eh it depends on if they decided to write it down themselves, or if the later arriving monks cared as much as the ones in our time.

@thecloudpeople7465

2 жыл бұрын

Rwy’n dy garu ti

@000Dragon50000

2 жыл бұрын

@@thecloudpeople7465 Thanks~! Unfortunately I don't know the language very well because I'm diaspora (Parents moved to australia before I was born.) I am trying to learn, but... It's hard to get my hands on resources for that down here.

@JH-dh2ws

2 жыл бұрын

As a Celtic Recon (Gaelic specifically) I just scream every fucking time I think about all the stuff I have to sift through whenever I do actually manage to focus on studying.

@Oldsvito2999

2 жыл бұрын

5th comment

I visited Hadrian’s wall for the first time a couple days ago. It’s kind of insane to think about just how far the Romans made it from home, even by modern standards, that’s one hell of a distance.

@honkhonk8009

2 жыл бұрын

@Mr. Caesar Even though its not even at the same magnitude, its wild that we dont even think of the US or Canada in the same aspect/ It could just be that Native Americans in the north never had a big centralized empire, in comparison to the Mayans and Aztecs in the south, and thus, it never felt like America actually spanned across alot of land, as in reality, its mostly just one giant monoculture.

@julianshepherd2038

2 жыл бұрын

The Romans built a road to Stirling in Scotland. Hadrians wall was how they kept the English serfs in place.

@julianshepherd2038

2 жыл бұрын

@@honkhonk8009 they had some massive cities, for the time but disease destroyed their economy and lifestyle.

@anonymoosenoname678

2 жыл бұрын

i live about 20 minutes from it, mad to think that a city in Italy controlled this far away

@FredrikSkievan

Жыл бұрын

@@julianshepherd2038 The "English" Didnt exist at the time

As someone that's been learning German and Italian, being able to partially understand the plush plug was a ride.

@sneed2600

2 жыл бұрын

@@repentandbelieveinjesuschr9495 i already believe you can take your business elsewhere

@globaladdict

2 жыл бұрын

@@repentandbelieveinjesuschr9495 dude. uncool.

@globaladdict

2 жыл бұрын

hell yea dude, keep studying. or repent to Jesus. lol

@a-e3654

2 жыл бұрын

isnt the roman one speaking latin?

@BeaglzRok1

2 жыл бұрын

@@a-e3654 There are a surprising number of similarities between Italian and Latin, both originating from the same peninsula and all of that. Also a surprising number of similarities with other languages, on account of Latin being dang near EVERYWHERE at one point and bleeding in through one way or another.

No Britannia also means less British Generals would try to claim the Imperial Throne. Maybe that would create less chaos on Rome, and give a breather for them to last some more centuries on the West

@TheMasonK

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention it doesn’t stretch Rome’s coffers as much as it did in our timeline. This would be interesting for sure.

@shinsenshogun900

2 жыл бұрын

Also displaces the number of pretenders and the potential extra coffers & opportunities among the traitors of the Gallic Empire during the 3rd Century. In effect, perhaps the Roman Empire might outlast it’s disasters in this timeline, only if it means that the Constantinian dynasty must surpass it’s destined downfalls and bolster the eastern borders against the Sassanians and the Western & Eastern Goths

@myrddinemrys1332

2 жыл бұрын

Most notably it would butterfly away Constantine the Great leading to the Empire possibly not accepting Christianity for another century or so.

@myrddinemrys1332

2 жыл бұрын

@@shinsenshogun900 Except that the Constantinian Dynasty possibly now doesn't exist as it was largely the British legions that backed Constantine the Great to succeed his father as Caesar of the West

@shinsenshogun900

2 жыл бұрын

@@myrddinemrys1332 any legion stationed in Roman Britain at that time could not be entirely Briton-Romans, as based on the quartering rotation commands of the High Roman Empire & the Tetrarchy meant to reduce the chances of pretender mutinies as demonstrated by the naval admiral Caurasius and the inept actions done by the western Augustus Maximian. Likely the provincial recruits of the mainland dioceses would make up this alternate legion that hails Constantine as Caesar and Augustus in another designated frontline, as the Late Empire is yet to install and produce the Valentinian and Theodosian dynasties of that timeline.

This scenario could've been more likely than you think. In an Arthurian timeline, you would see the Jutes, Angles, & Saxons still invade; however, they'd lose key battles with the confederated tribes (here an "Arthur" would appear a la Vercingetorix & unite a large number of smaller groups) resulting in them either being kicked off the island or relegated to the southwest of England. The Romans didn't really play a special role here though & it's more a question of victory over Anglo-Saxons rather than not having Caesar cross the channel. Still, the result i.e. a mostly celtic British culture is tantalizing to think about.

@robtoe10

2 жыл бұрын

The smaller Anglic invasions would perhaps therefore be more like the Norse invasions - they had an effect on language and place names to a degree, but the influence didn't replace the language of the natives.

@thetexanhusky

2 жыл бұрын

*southeast

@bustavonnutz

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetexanhusky Thanks, that's what I meant

@bustavonnutz

2 жыл бұрын

@@robtoe10 That's what I'd reckon too, but seeing as many brought over their families as well they would still have at somewhat of a presence on the island. I guess the Danelaw was like that too, so you might be onto something; however, I'm not sure exactly how a 100% celtic England would ever exist even if they were the dominant ethnic group. If the Norman conquest happened like in our timeline then who the hell knows anymore.

@georgeprchal3924

Жыл бұрын

Well and the Normans would still invade too and conquer.

Speaking of changing Britain's history, here's a fun idea: _What if the Island of Sodor Really Existed?_ This island from a series of children's stories about talking trains actually has a surprisingly detailed history, going all the way back to the days of Rome. It also has a very detailed account of its geography, culture, industry, with so much more. The Reverend Wilbert Awdry has actually been compared to Tolkien in terms of his world-building. Like seriously, forget the talking trains, what would change about Britain if the island of Sodor, its people, and its non-living railway really existed?

@yoodlebug41

2 жыл бұрын

I just looked up the Isle of Sodor, and my mind is blown

@SiPakRubah

2 жыл бұрын

I knew it it's about Thomas the Talking Train lore

@user-op8fg3ny3j

2 жыл бұрын

@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 Thomas would be found guilty at Nuremberg for "just following orders"...

@JohnBoyAdvance

2 жыл бұрын

It is actually scary how much back history Wilbert Awdry put into the Island of Sodor. Hail King Godred.

@robertortiz-wilson1588

Жыл бұрын

Loved that show growing up!

It definitely would have been worth looking at the effects on Rome of not conquering Britannia. less wealth flowing in from the north could easily have sped up the collapse of Western Rome. Or did spending less effort on keeping it allow the the heartland to last longer? There were a lot of legions up there for a fairly small area.

@mithea6946

2 жыл бұрын

Brittania was a very poor province that constitently rebelled, if anything it would have slowed the fall of rome

@swingmattuk

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that Rome lost money as a result of the conquest as they had to station legions there and didn’t tax products from the isles in the same way as when it was outside of the Empire.

@Artorias1234

2 жыл бұрын

Britain was more profitable to Rome as a trading partner than as a province due to tarrifs and needed 3 legions as garrisons (as comparison, Hispania only needed 1 legion). Especially during the crisis of the third century and at the End of the Western Roman Empire Britain was a constant target for raids and a source of pretenders, without even having any strategic value for Rome. Britain as a province has never been worth it for Rome.

@The_Greedy_Orphan

2 жыл бұрын

I think the Norman invasion was far more influential than the Roman invasion as the Norman's directly took the seat of power and fundamentally changed English culture from a top down level. Whilst Norman's considered themselves nobles and very rarely mixed with the peasant population, it had a much more dramatic effect on how England evolved as a nation.

@xtron1234

2 жыл бұрын

Britannia was if anything a drain on Rome due to the constant raids and revolts. Rome would frankly have been better off without it. Any potential profits from resource extraction could've been gotten from trade more than likely.

Are we just not going to mention how a Roman soldier and a German soldier (I'm assuming WW1 by the chest patch) are speaking two different languages and yet still understand each other right off the bat with no hesitation?

@jus7040

2 жыл бұрын

@1min ago finally you are gone.

@user-uh7cb3vy4v

2 жыл бұрын

? What do you mean?

@JYAF

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-uh7cb3vy4v If I spoke to you in Spanish and you spoke in French, would you understand what I'm saying?

@user-uh7cb3vy4v

2 жыл бұрын

@@JYAF no?

@JYAF

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-uh7cb3vy4v Exactly.

One interesting historical parallel that comes to mind is what we see with Japan. Like Britain in this alternate scenario, Japan is an island nation just off the coast of a much larger continent which has managed to nonetheless remain unconquered by any major power from the mainland. Obviously I'm not trying to claim that we can look to Japan to find some kind of roadmap for what an un-romed Britain looks like, but I do think it's interesting that this version of Britain would be in a broadly similar situation in it's geopolitical relationship to Europe.

@germanfan6481

2 жыл бұрын

very cool

@gianb3952

2 жыл бұрын

The brittish celts might have been more isolationist like the Japanese even

@cudanmang_theog

2 жыл бұрын

Said the Yayoi who crossed the strait and conquered Japan from the Ainu

@timothymclean

2 жыл бұрын

@@cudanmang_theog True, but I don't think the Yayoi remained connected to mainland powers after they invaded Japan. In fact, from my research (looking at a couple Wikipedia articles), it looks like the Yayoi didn't have any central authorities until after they came to Japan. At the very least, none wealthy or influential enough to leave their mark on the archaeological record.

@shonenjumpmagneto

2 жыл бұрын

Portugal actually annexed some Japanese islands that were South West of the mainland. I'm unsure if they were annexed by Japan or it's predecessors before however. They're pretty far out. Still shocked me.

Probably won't be seen but, since we've had a 'What if Rome never Conquered Britain', what about a 'What if the Normans never Conquered Britain?' or even 'What if Harold Hardrada Conquered Britain?'

@fabrizio.guidi64

11 ай бұрын

Without Rome no British empire

“Imagine of Wales sort of Extended” Me a Welshman “Yes”

@noahtylerpritchett2682

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. Yma o Hyd

@alexanderi1183

2 жыл бұрын

Well why did you Welsh people reconquere you lands during the viking invasion.

@Boretheory

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderi1183 because Vikings are cringe

I think it's important to remember that, after Rome pulled out of Britan, the collapse was *not* instantaneous. Things kept on being done as they were under Rome for a good while, but without the political, military and financial influence of the empire, Romanesque settlements gradually fell into disrepair, and people either packed up and left those places, or attempted to seek allies in the form of foreign mercs, who would eventually settle... and then bring word to others of their kind to come over, which turned into invasions.

@mew11two

2 жыл бұрын

There were actually still a lot of Latin speakers in Britain for a while

I’d love to see a Plushie of the stock “Germanic/Norse” character you use; that’s probably my favorite of all of the more recent designs; it looks cool as hell

I feel like you skipped out on something important in this video. Not having Britain would have probably had effects on the Roman empire as well. England was at times a very troublesome area for the Romans, in large part because they never managed to fully lock it down. So it was at risk from the Picts, from germanic sea raiders, and even the Irish now and then. They had to sink alot of resources into holding it which otherwise may have been allocated elsewhere. Resources that would have been sorely needed in places like Germania or perhaps Dacia.

@thelastpagan4999

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine 3 entire legion free to be dispatched in Gallia, probably the Barbarians mass migration would have had not only less influence but stopped for the most part. Probably no Teutoburg and most likely no Gaul rebellion in the 3rd century. So the Western Roman Empire would have lasted a lot longer. Sadly the split between east and west was pretty much inevitable imo

Cody, please keep making little Plush toy stories at the end of every video, and please make them connected somehow. It would be hilarious to see the Latin Plush going through every stage of acceptance over his existential crisis and meet with the Soviet Plush who is just accepting the fall of the Soviet Union

@Boretheory

2 жыл бұрын

No i want Italian plushy meeting Roman Plushy explaining how the Barbarians eventually became richer than Italy in 1600

Idk the Saxons and Angles, Frisians and Danes would probably still invade west and maybe even form some kingdoms in the south considering the island might be still divided in that timeline causing the instability required to call upon foreign mercenaries I doubt it would result in as much land being taken but most likely the southern coast would be Celtic with a slight Germanic influence unlike the Celto-Germanic mix we got

@azahel542

2 жыл бұрын

I still think they'd just mop the floor with celtic blood.

@brigantiasmemerepository6439

2 жыл бұрын

​@@azahel542 given in our timeline England is majority Celtic, that seems unlikely

@godlovesyou1995

2 жыл бұрын

Britain may have been more self dependent and able to defend themselves. As it was, they still held out for a few decades

@ECFOX909

2 жыл бұрын

@@godlovesyou1995 Id agree probably bigger post roman kingdoms unlike our timeline which is why I think it'd not result in a true hybrid culture, most likely a few settle maybe a small kingdom producing something like a Germanic Cornwall in Kent being resubsumed later into one of the major celtic kingdoms

Thank you Cody. Love the roman plush 🤩 And as many others my suggestions for what I will like you to explore for your alternate scenarios - Maximilian keeping Mexico as part of France. - what if Stauffenberg succeed in killing Hitler and control the Reich.

@hackmind

2 жыл бұрын

@Primo that’s an awesome answer, thank you. I agree with you about the US intervining eventually and that’s the scenarios played out. - not doing nothing as you mention - through support of different anti-empire factions or remnants of the Republic - direct military intervention (less likely if you ask me) Fantastic comment btw.

I'm disappointed you didn't say the reason the Rome couldn't keep Britain was because Neptune smashed all their ships because Caligula took his sea shells.

This was a great video and I’d definitely want to to see a part 2!

I think Rome would have lasted longer in this scenario. Britain was a massive drain on resources, having to keep a whole Legion to control it. And every so often the governor of Britain would take that legion and start a civil war to become Emperor, like 3 times

@wezmarauder2754

2 жыл бұрын

Highly doubtful. Rome simply couldn't sustain its slave based economy and its penchant of bleeding occupied territories dry. Why? They made many enemies. Those enemies started revolts and uprisings. To strike down those local Roman generals needed lots of money and soldiers. If they *didn't* get this these generals could simply seize local power themselves and proclaim themselves emperors (and they often *did* ). So in order to both maintain the loyalty of these generals and stop or prevent uprisings LOTS of money had to flow from Rome to the colonies. As the number of enemies of Rome grew so did the vast expenditures of Rome. And HOW would they finance that? By plundering and bleeding conquered countries even more... which obviously led to more revolts. See where this is going? "Britain was a massive drain on resources" False. In its final centuries it was the Huns, Goths and the Neo-Persians (Sassanids) which caused Rome constant headaches and woes. "having to keep a whole Legion to control it." A whole *legion* ?? A legion consisted of around 4500 men during the prime of the Roman Empire following the Marian reforms of the Roman army. I'm afraid a single legion of at most 5000+ men isn't nearly enough to control a whole country. The reason being that Britain was *sparsely populated* during those days. Sorry, no conquest of Britain makes no difference. And seeing as the Romans always abandoned the territory which was too costly to occupy and subdue (Parthia and Germania for instance) it goes without saying that Britain was worth the effort and provided a valuable net income for the empire which was economically viable. Once the Goths had sacked Rome in 410AD the finances of the empire fell into seriously difficult times and there was no way to justify the continued occupation of the British isles. Hence the troops were called home. Still didn't save Rome from ending anyway in 476 AD. Last of all. East-Rome (Byzantine Empire) had already replaced old Rome as the dominant economic and military power around the Mediterranean for almost century. Constantinople was the hub of the empire even before the split between west and east Rome came.

@damionkeeling3103

Жыл бұрын

Three legions (30 heavy infantry cohorts) and a further 70 cohorts (various types including cavalry) of auxiliaries. It was one of the biggest concentrations of military power in the empire which is why so many governors of Britannia tried to make themselves emperor.

What if Eastern Rome Collapsed sooner? Around the time of the Western Empire so to say would diffidently change a lot of European history since they kept out Islamic invasions into Europe till their collapse in the 15th century

@precariousworlds3029

2 жыл бұрын

A lot more Islamic influence, a lot less trade with the east. Hispania, the Balkans and Eastern Europe all become Islamic. I could see Islam becoming the world's largest religion instead of Christianity

@martijn9568

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zeerich-yx9po That is, assuming ofcourse, that there isn't any significant power in the region. Perhaps the first Bulgarian empire was strong enough to keep the Arabian cavalry out of the Balkans. The Balkans with its mountain ranges also wouldn't be very advantageous to the cavalry of the Arabs.

@yoghurtmaster1688

2 жыл бұрын

@@martijn9568 the first bulgarian empire Just settled at the time not to mention would get into crisis later on and did not become a great power until the 9th century and i doubt the arabs would bother conquering mosea as the bulgarian empire would Just accept islam out of fear of being conqered

@yoghurtmaster1688

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zeerich-yx9po looking how overstreched the caliphate was becoming at this point im sure they would convert the bulgars instead not to mention the avar khagate Just to its north one more thing, roman identity remaining in the balkans and most of greece is simply absurd slavs overan the balkans and most of greece at the time the only reason there is no slavic nation in greece is because of the e.Romans assimilating the tribes or settle with greeks from anatolia

@i_likemen5614

Жыл бұрын

It would be more interesting to see what if it fell during the Islamic invasions. The Greeks/Rum could become another Islamic power like the Persians became

Roman plushie ordered. Keep up the good work, really looking forward to it. Showed pics to friends, they love it!

I would absolutely love if you did a larger series on this concept. You’ve given me a taste and I want more.

One possible and MASSIVE butterfly effect is that Constantine never conquers the whole empire with his legions from Britannia, assuming he isn't too a victim of the effect. Meaning the empire becomes Christian later, if at all.

@aegonii8471

2 жыл бұрын

Constantine wouldn’t exist

@greenhawk6839

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting butterfly effect to pick up on... perhaps it could be handwaved away by him having legions from elsewhere? I suspect there would be quite a few unforeseeable effects on the wider Roman empire from not having Britain.

@precariousworlds3029

2 жыл бұрын

No Constantine would mean no Western Christianity, Rome probably would've fallen a lot earlier in the mid 300s, dark ages would hit a lot harder. Islamic caliphates, assuming they still rise, would expand from North Africa into southern Europe. Maybe the former Roman empire ditches Paganism for Islam?

@GlizzyGoblin757

2 жыл бұрын

@@precariousworlds3029 I doubt Islam would rise without Christianity being so prevalent

@QwertyBoredom122

2 жыл бұрын

@@precariousworlds3029 Islam is literally a Christian heresy (or evolution depending how you want to view it), simple reality is that without Christianity becoming the dominant religion in the Middle East via the Roman Empire Islam wouldn't exist and the region would likely be dominated by another religion, most likely (IMO) Zoroastrianism from Persia (modern Iran).

Make a sequel to this one where Boudicca succeeds in expelling the Romans, that would be extra cool !

Loved the video, as always. The only sad part is that once again, I've run out of videos to watch on the channel since I've seen them all lol. Great job Cody.

Thank you for doing this one. I love when you do subjects on the Celts. Keep them coming.

I don't know much about history but I love how these videos are good jumping of points to what I should look up

@asparadog

2 жыл бұрын

Here's something to look up... Try and find when the Anglo Saxons invaded... All archeological evidence pointed to migration rather than invasion.

Man, Cody’s gotta make a full length series about Plushy Rome finding his purpose in life while befriending German Empire Plush, USA Plush, Soviet Plush, and British Plush on his journey Edit: Also make the glow in the dark plushies evil or something

I forgot I suggested this. Great job, Cody!

Actually, an unexpectedly deep scenario with lots of rabbit holes to explore.... This one really got my brain churning. Good thing you had the plushie segment at the end, adorable and hilarious! Nicely done! 💜🌎✌️😎🍀 PS. YT ghosted all 1.1k comments for me?! Just wow YT. Seriously?!!!

5:25 I just went on holiday to Cornwall and it makes me really happy to see the revival of their language and identity that's happened in the past few years. In some ways, it was never really tamed in the same way the rest of the country was, with many roads barely wide enough for a car. Also 25% of global internet traffic goes through Cornwall, which I didn't know

Of note: something that might have also happened is that if the Romans hadn't poured resources and troops into Britain, there's a possibility the Western half might have lasted longer.

Noooo, please make longer videos. I'm English and I'm a massive fan. I remember learning about all this in school and it seems spot-on.

I remember watching Merlin (BBC) and hearing the Arthurian characters referring to the kingdom as “Albion”, this video explains why. Thanks Cody

Another one already? What have we done to deserve such wonderful content?

No Roman Britain would mean no St Patrick. The Christianisation of Eire meant that the church kept its influence after the Romans left Britain. That would have a big impact

@dirckthedork-knight1201

2 жыл бұрын

Christianity would probably still find its way on Ireland

@gokbay3057

2 жыл бұрын

Britain would still become Christian, just in a way similar to Scandinavia/Eastern Europe rather than the more domestic/internal Christianisation of IRL.

@gavinhillick

2 жыл бұрын

"Eire" is not a country. The name of the country is simply Ireland when using the English language and Éire in Irish. Note the accent. "Eire" is a word used by the British government and its media as a petty way to avoid acknowledging the country's independence. It has mostly fallen into disuse since the Good Friday Agreement.

@gokbay3057

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavinhillick Not all people have accents in their keyboards or the will to open another tab to copy paste something rather than simply typing it in KZread.

@gavinhillick

2 жыл бұрын

@@gokbay3057 You don't need an accent to spell "Ireland", which is its name in the English language Read my comment again.

These sets are incredible! Keep it up!

Great video I definitely find the plush Roman and Germania hilarious now I got to figure out how to get one

Have you thought about doing an episode over “Noughts and Crosses” ? It’s a pretty interesting alternative history for Europe where Africa conquered Europe like in the medieval times ?? There’s a tv show about it but it would be awesome to get your own thoughts on it !!

After you do a Part 2 of this, could you do a video on what if the entire ocean was freshwater (mostly focusing on the human side, not the environmental and marine catastrophe it would be).

I like the videos very much. A Big Fan of You.

Wonderfully crafted, great job on this "What If?" scenario!

To be completely honest. Non-existence would be more preferable than being neighbors to England.

Psychiatrist: cursed alternate history hub figures aren't real, they can't hurt you. cursed alternate history hub figures: 0:09

Would love to see more of this scenario in the future

7:53 Galicia was already an independent kingdom when the bretons came, their influence was pretty small and localized, unlike in Britanny.

While counterfactuals are always speculative, I do disagree with a few conclusions, hinging on the ability of the Britons to resist the subsequent invasions. Firstly, given the fraticidal civil wars of Medieval Wales, I doubt that the non-Romanized Britons would have been much more cooperative with one another. Thus, unified resistance to the invaders would have been rare, just like it was in our timeline. (Indeed, this is one of the things that Gildas bemoans, the kings fighting one another rather than the Saxons.) Also, assuming that the Britons would use the Welsh inheritance mode of splitting up the kingdoms between the sons, any hegemony would be very fleeting and just lead to another round of disunification and civil wars, even within a single kingdom. Also, given the pro-/anti-Roman split, it is even more likely that they would be more fractured than the Romano-Britons who at least had a similar cultural background and religion; it would be easy to posit that the pro-Romans would get Christianized while the anti-Romans would view it as another Roman thing that they want nothing to do with. Secondly, the Saxon invasion (or encroachment) didn't really get going until the 6th century, about a century after the Romans already left. There were plenty of independent Briton kingdoms by then, accustomed to fending for themselves. It had already been several generations. These were not disarmed civilians that the Saxons were fighting, but able warriors, having done so for several generations. Hence I don't see why there would be a huge improvement on their martial skills if they had not been conquered by Rome in the first place. Thirdly, there is absolutely no reason to assume that even if the Saxon invasion would be unsuccessful, the Briton kingdoms would be able to beat back the Vikings. Heptarchy kingdoms were generally bigger than the (pre-Roman) tribes, and they failed. Why would the smaller, less united Briton kingdoms fare better? Especially given how the Frankish kingdom had trouble with the Vikings enough to give them Normandy to settle and act as a buffer against other Vikings. Fourthly, the Norman Conquest hinged significantly on the personal politics of Edward the Confessor and William the Bastard. But geography is geography. It is almost guaranteed that there would be dynastic links and relationships across the channel anyway.

@dirckthedork-knight1201

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that idea of his that the non-britons would somehow fare better against the germanic invasion seems pretty weak

@gokbay3057

2 жыл бұрын

The Medieval Welsh were Roman influenced but I don't disagree that non-Roman Britons would still have many internal disagreements and that stopping the Saxons wholesale seems unlikely (maybe Germanics have less influence on Britain however). (It was the Heptarchy btw, not Hexarchy) I also agree that they would be dynastic, political and economical links with the mainland. Thought without Normandy and territories in France Britain is probably less involved in the Continent and vice versa.

Roman Plush Bought! Thank you for these. I have all of them so far.

I love your channel keep up the great stuff

I'd love to see a part 2 of this on an alternate Britain on the global stage. 😊

@globaladdict

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I wonder if there would've been some parallel universe Margaret Thatcher that was a hippy or something

@XXXTENTAClON227

Жыл бұрын

@@globaladdict Margaret thatcher is actually the USSR first female president in this timeline

For some reason, this made me wonder what would happen if the Sengoku Jidai lasted centuries longer than in our timeline.

@jakebeaudry3888

2 жыл бұрын

I could see this as a potential proxy war between the Dutch, the Spainish, and the Portuguese if the Sengoku Jidai lasted by around the 1700's.

@shinsenshogun900

2 жыл бұрын

By Bashemonten, NOOO!!!

a full vid would be amazing!

Cody uploading within a week of posting another video? That's pretty cool

Would Rome last longer since they don’t have to waste 3 legions on an island that isn’t particularly useful in the grand scheme of things? (At least from a Roman Perspective) Would those legions be used to tip close conflicts in there favor? Maybe conquer part of Germania or part of Arabia?

@balabanasireti

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. Rome would still fight itself like it always did

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

Three legions would not be enough to stop the systematic decline and fall of the Western Empire

@jacoblinde7486

2 жыл бұрын

One thing is for certain: the Christianization of the Roman Empire would be very different because Constantine's original power base was in Britain. If Britain wasn't in the empire, the first Christian emperor wouldn't have had an opportunity to take power.

@Zhtrik

2 жыл бұрын

@@warlordofbritannia I’m not saying the Empire would be saved from its systemic problems. But I think Western Rome might last about fifty to a hundred years more, since instead of developing Britain. Some of those resources would be spent on Rome proper, maybe Gaul would be further developed. Maybe Hadrians wall might be along the Danube or Rhine. I’m just speculating and that’s part of the fun.

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zhtrik Ah, when you put it like that I kinda see where you’re going with this…I think, in that case, it’s less about what if Rome didn’t bother with Britannia and more “what if Rome actually conquered Germania” Which is too big and uncertain for me (at least) to ponder 😂

Two Alt History Hub vids in a week? We're blessed by the gods!

@alight3369

2 жыл бұрын

Huzzah!

@Commentation

2 жыл бұрын

Huzzah!

@randomguyspeaks4225

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you man. I had to do a double take when I saw the notification.

@thatguywhosayshi7021

2 жыл бұрын

Huzzah!

Looking forward to the next one 🙂

Excellent vidéo, merci! 💯

Ah yes, Alternate History Hub coming through once again with the video that you didn't know you wanted, but click on right away.

@Munchkino

2 жыл бұрын

No no I wanted this. Reason? I need some advice for a project lol.

Shout out for Kernow! Cornwall, the forgotten Celtic people.

@flynnguest8323

2 жыл бұрын

You Kernow get a shout out from Cymru

@SportyMabamba

2 жыл бұрын

Good news: studies have shown there are no longer any pure Cornish folk left; only varying degrees of half or less. Kind regards, Devonshire.

@MrSlyGamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@SportyMabamba good news also: Celtic and many other identities do not hinge on DNA (pretty old fashioned and mostly pointless identity marker anyway)! Most celtic identities are now national/cultural/linguistic ones much like many other people groups!

@urmum3773

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MrSlyGamer Celtic in that sense refers to the original inhabitants of Cornwall/south west England before the Germanic invasions from the continent, but you knew that already lol.

@FaltaziusLalotte

2 жыл бұрын

We love you Kernow !!! Shout out from a fellow breton of Brittany 😎

Hey Cody, i just want to tell you the tittle of the most surprising video (for you), you will ever do: What if Portugal never existed? Just another one (or 3), provinces in the Iberian Kingdom. By the way congratulations on your baby boy! It will be quite fun for sure

great vid man, loved it

The note that wales may have been able to expand more fills my Welsh heart with pride.

i just like to imagine what it looked like to watch a grown man playing with a roman and ww1 german soldier plushie next to a tree, gently shaking them while imagining some conversation about merchandise

Dam Cody on a roll, 2 vids on a week?

The PLUSH convo at the end lol🤣🤣 I can see the potential to make a little series with them.

Two vids in one week!! You’re a gem Cody!!

I think it's interesting the extent to which the Romans (and by extension the Greeks) define the Anglo idea of 'civilisation' - Probably because of the massive contrast between the relative prosperity of Roman Britain and then the dark ages that followed. Without any lasting Roman presence in Britain, I wonder if Alternate British people would still trance some cultural heritage back to Classical Rome, or if they would feel that they were outside of that cultural sphere.

@meneither3834

2 жыл бұрын

Most of what we consider to be the "western" cultural sphere is really rooted in catholicism (Roman or Orthodox) and it's descending cults (the protestant ones.) So by virtue of being or having been catholic they would still see themselves as descending from Rome.

Probably the funniest merch plug that I've seen. Nice video too.

Cody, please make an extended episode on this topic

“Imagine if Wales just… expanded” Dear god Codt think of the sheep! Think of the sheep…

I had a high school history teacher who claimed that the British were the greatest people because Britain was never conquered...

@syndicalistball6360

2 жыл бұрын

How the hell did he get that job in the first place

@iamaleftist3834

2 жыл бұрын

Japanese "Hold my sake"

@brynknight2745

2 жыл бұрын

Well it's roughly true that Britain has never been conquered, depending on where your goalposts are. No invader ever conquered all of Britain. England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland have all been individually conquered at various points in their history but never all of it except by Brits themselves. However, using that to say that Brits are the greatest people is obviously ridiculous.

@rqche6689

2 жыл бұрын

The british are the bottom of the scale

@harbingerd.8457

2 жыл бұрын

The French (though called Normans that time) conquered England in 1066. If anything, England was a French colony gone wrong. Also, there is some truth in that. Britain as a nation was never conquered ever since its inception in 1707. But calling it the 'greatest' people is a long stretch.

I had a long day, man. This was nice.

Just recently saw a video from TIK History and thought it would make for a helluva alternate history video: What if Britain attacked Russia after WWII going with their Operation: Unthinkable secret plan? Thanks for all of your hard work!!

Maybe a little strange but what if the first civilisations were swapped with places that didn’t really take off (i.e Australia, Siberia, South Africa, Northern America and Scandinavia)

Fun facts: "Éire" is pronounced "AY-ruh", & it would probably be more accurate to call it "Goidelic" instead of "Gaelic". "Gaelic" comes from an older Irish word that means something like "foreigner", as far as I'm aware

@mikeoxsmal8022

2 жыл бұрын

No it doesn't Gaelic comes from Welsh meaning something along the lines of Barbarian,Savage,wild man, woodmen

@daraghexton7390

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite, Gaelic is actually just an Anglicisation of Gaelig, itself a Modern Irish varient of the same Scots Gaelic word Gàdhlig, and though the dh is now more of a y sound, that Gàdhlig is the same root as that Goidelic word. Sometimes another ancient spelling is Gaidhealig, if that helps picturing the transformation. The word Gal, however, does indeed mean foreigner, like Donegal, Dún of the foreigners.

It's always fun to see one of these that is more close to home~

At 4:58 is a picture of a Scottish castle used to film parts of the movie Highlander

Kinda weird we don’t celebrate independence day from Rome, like they’re the only civilization that has truly conquered and colonised us

@RoyalRegimentofScotland

2 ай бұрын

Because the Romans never conquered all of britian anyway , Britian has never actually been conquered by an outside force, and the home nations didn't even exist at the time.

10:53 If I ever have an existential psychotic break, I'm going to blame this moment. I've been traumatized, and anything in my life could be a lie. Argh! Now; buy a plushie.

Can’t wait for the continuation of this scenario!

that at the end has to be one of the top five best ads ever. It feels like a DonHertzfeldt cartoon.

7:10 Pictish is generally considered to be one of the Brittonic languages.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

2 жыл бұрын

It is today. But a few decades ago people be like "no" for some reason.

@Oppetsismiimsitsitc

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 If you think that's nonsensical, look at some of the Indian Nationalist takes on the Indo-Aryan languages and migration.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

2 жыл бұрын

@@Oppetsismiimsitsitc lol

As a Galician for future reference you say gah-lee-thee-an. Thee as in the number 3 without an r. Spanish is a phonetic language so you pronounce all the letters all the time. Makes it super easy to read.

Reminds me of my Europa Barbarorum II campaign where I started as the Pritori and made a Celtic empire that stretched from Isles through Gaul and down into Iberia

These videos got me into alternate history, even though I'm not writing anything, I've found an alternate history wiki, and I have read one of them, called "Mexico as a superpower" but it only goes up to the end of the Mexican-American war, with a Mexican victory, but what would it mean if Mexico was the superpower of the Americas

*VIDEO SUGGESTION:* What if King Henry VIII never divorced his first wife (Catherine Of Aragon)? Say she managed to give him a son. Would England have remained Catholic?

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

Probably. The English Reformation was the rare top-down Revolution, one imposed by authorities rather than with popular backing

@pieeater957

2 жыл бұрын

Henry VIII was a devout catholic until the pope showed him the middle finger, given no need for divorce or even the divorce being granted would mean no need for a new head of religion

@johnroach9026

2 жыл бұрын

@@pieeater957 I don't think the Pope is at blame here, it was Charles V who sacked Rome in 1527, and pretty much forced the Pope to rubber stamp his religious policies, including stalling Henry's annulment from his aunt Catherine

As interesting as this scenario is, I always found the opposite ''what if'' to be more interesting, like what if Britain remained roman for far longer and well into the west Rome collapse.

@sylviamontaez3889

2 жыл бұрын

the english language would possibly be more celtic influenced.

@utubrGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Imperator Artorius Draconarius, leader of the legendary equites of Camulodonnum.

@wockydouglas

2 жыл бұрын

Like if Constantine III stayed in Britain after being declared Emperor. Would he be able to stop the Saxons?

@meneither3834

2 жыл бұрын

Something like "what if Britain became and remained latinised." Not unlike France.

@Jack-0-lantern

2 жыл бұрын

@@meneither3834 Something like that or since it would have remained roman for longer, roman citizens who couldn't make it to Byzantium could retreat to it during the third century crisis and after the west collapse making another remnant of the old empire with the inflex of Latins trying to preserve whats left.

Hey, I love this! What a cool channel!

Well now I finally get that Bill Wurtz “From the far off lands of Tinland…I dunno my dealer won’t tell me where he gets it.” bit comes from

What if Rome held onto the Britain even after the fall of Rome itself and resisted the angles invasion to become kinda like a Roman Taiwan.

@paulfri1569

2 жыл бұрын

That's what should've happen instead of losing non stop all the way to Rome..

I seriously love this channel

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

Compared to casually loving it?

Nice one Cody

Ok now Im invested in the story of this Roman Plush and his journey back home with his WW1 German Sidekick

What if the America's were uninhabited? I just want to see European settlers interacting with Ice Age megafauna. Also what if Beringia never disappeared?

@michaelmenei5403

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mrpersonman0 Some would still be driven to extinction, others I think would persist. Notably mammoths and mastadons I think Europeans would see potentially as a new beast of burden. Glyptodonts I could see being brought back to the Old World for the rich to keep as pets. For some of the carnivores, some will be driven to extinction, for others their range would be heavily reduced, short-faced bears I could see persisting but would by the present only be living in the north like Alaska and Northern Canada.

@michaelmenei5403

2 жыл бұрын

@Penguin Economics Not to mention travel for Natives back and forth and due to interaction with the Old World would adapt to diseases like smallpox and such. Plus through trading might become just as advanced getting metals, domestic animals and writing.

@shiny_teddiursa

2 жыл бұрын

@Penguin Economics East Asian societies weren’t expansionist until the modern era, and China would have to discover the Americas through colonizing northern siberia, which they didn’t because they didn’t have the political will to completely conquer the nomadic steppe tribes who lived there. A pacific sea route just isn’t feasible before the early modern period, the east coast of North America is closer to Western Europe than Hawaii is to China.

@aethlred7380

2 жыл бұрын

@Penguin Economics China could have. They had enormous treasure fleets exploring East Africa bringing back giraffes and all kinds of goods. Until the next emperor decided to outlaw ships with more than 2 masts. But most merchants in China were fine with just trading with tributaries and Indonesians. And according to some theories Asians landed in South America if you count the Polynesians. But the main reason no Asian country colonized the America's is that there was simply no benefit to exploring into nothingness. The Europeans only did it because the Ottomans cut off most trade to Asia. And even then the first explorations were hugging the coast of Africa because they weren't confident that there was anything across the Atlantic besides more water.

@michaelmenei5403

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mrpersonman0 For one with no Natives to enslave, that's where the potential would be with more of a need for colonization efforts. Europeans might get the idea from how the people of India tamed Asian elephants. On top of bringing over African slaves, they'd use mammoths and mastodons for the same reason perhaps for pulling and plowing. Of course I'm kinda basing this on Harry Turtledove's A Different Flesh where mammoths were notably used for trains before eventually being replaced.