What if Life Totals Didn't Matter? | EDH Gameplay Ep 48
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Our two friends Nate and Veen have both working on Magic: the Gathering and other games. We could not think of a better pair to change the rules with. It was a pleasure to bring them on for this fun and funky episode!
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It was very funny hearing NG, pronounce Horror as she did, cause it sounded like she was was slut-shaming her creatures haha. It made giggle throughout the video.
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
Veggie and airball said the same thing!! I cant believe it!
@RobThePrincess
Ай бұрын
@@DeckedOutEDH I'm not sure I would have done any better. It's a very dangerous word to pronounce and it made it far more funnier.
@gakk8658
Ай бұрын
My N'gathrod deck is probably my favorite and I'm from Pittsburgh, which features a local accent that pronounces horror and whore pretty much identically. It's just a hazard of the creature type.
@jonathonskogman8337
Ай бұрын
I have a horror tribal deck that I would love to have NerdGirl pilot lol
I am amazed no one did poison with this theme.
the level of subtle old-timey MTG humor in this is so dang good. these are the types of people i used to play with (since 4th edition) and the wit was more exciting than the game play. this show is golden
I appreciate the new guests! And I love the N'gathrod deck! I've built one but haven't been able to play it yet.
Everybody: let's have a fun game of commander Veen: 👹
These guests were fire i didn't know who they were but i loved them
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
They are both amazing.
@ImStockton.
16 күн бұрын
@DeckedOutEDH will we get a part 2 of these boyos?? I'm biting my nails on the edge of my seat
@DeckedOutEDH
16 күн бұрын
@@ImStockton. I hope so! But no plans yet.
"Please don't get us in trouble with Wizards." -- So true. So true.
I wanna see a bad Santa episode where everyone is trying to give away things to mess with other players lolz
@akshatsinghal5293
Ай бұрын
This would be so hilarious! please!!
@jonnybirch2268
Ай бұрын
A four-way mirror match of Blim and/or that one jeskai bird?
@sethronalter5178
Ай бұрын
Zedruu the Greathearted, Blim, Comedic Genius, and Jon Irenicus, Shattered One, for sure. Last one is harder choice, Slicer Hired Muscle, Norin the Wary or Ian Malcolm, Chaotician would all be decent. Veggie already has Zedruu and Airball has Blim so half way there.
Captain N'Ghathrod is such a fun deck. Haven't seen the episode yet, but I always root for the mill deck in commander.
@dwpetrak
Ай бұрын
I was thinking I should put him in my Phenax deck for the value. Thanks to this game I realized he only gains value on my turn and I mill you on your turn!
These guys have such a fun energy, this was awesome!
@16:01 you only put the nonlands into your hand with Demonlord Belzenlok. The land would remain in exile and you'd take only one damage.
I'd been toying with the idea of a Tahngarth deck and now you've built one for me! Cheers!
Yay Captain N'Ghathrod! Love that tentacle guy.
Great game! Veggie’s Tangarth deck was awesome!
Such a fun game to play. Nate and Veen are amazing at the table.
I love the fact at 39:56 that even though omniscience was on the board he was using mana to cast spells
@markbrierley6367
Ай бұрын
Omniscience says from hand. Don't think Future Sight actually works with it, but I'm not sure.
@mexiimex6775
Ай бұрын
@@markbrierley6367 ah ur 100% right my mistake
@v33nx0r
Ай бұрын
I was also paying for alt modes like Overload or to crack clues
@mexiimex6775
Ай бұрын
@@v33nx0r I getcha, its my bad for misunderstanding the board state. there were alot of things to keep track of 😄
@SpiritofFuture
24 күн бұрын
Future sight states " as though it were in your hand" and does in fact, work with Omniscience. Also, Mirrari's Wake gives +1/+1 to all creatures... so 5/5 angels lol ( not that it matters when normal damage doesn't apply to the game)
Nate! It's nice to see you on an EDH gameplay channel!
A current favourite spell of mine right now Tibalt’s Trickery
It's interesting to me that Veggie built a Tahngarth voltron deck for a week when deckbuilding disincentivizes attacking or even needing blockers to be honest. It feels like this strategy would have been more suited to building Slicer. That said, interesting deckbuilding is interesting. A big part of the reason I even watch vods of Commander is for deck ideas.
If Veen had used the 2nd copy enchantment to copy his Privileged Position, I think he would have been able to stick around longer. Kuro wouldn't have been able to pick apart his permanents.
Veen is a sneaky politician.
@v33nx0r
Ай бұрын
tru
Veen!! Used to play with dude around Invasion block at Baseball Card City.
@v33nx0r
Ай бұрын
No way! I remember those days fondly. Who are you?
@gordzillagamer5476
Ай бұрын
@@v33nx0r my name is Gordon. I knew Keith (short dude), Josh (worked there) and John Hone . At some point we went to see a late night showing of Harry Potter. Nice to see you pop up on here dude.
Loved the alt win con
“What if life totals didn’t matter?” is just CEDH with extra steps.
@Barturito
Ай бұрын
Life totals very much do matter in cEDH with necro and ad naus in the format
@thrillhovanhouten253
Ай бұрын
@@Barturito In many, MANY cedh games, it does not. The caveat they used here needed to be more intense or there wouldn’t be enough deviation from normal games for it to matter. It felt like if they made starting life totals 39 instead of 40. Would that change things? Technically yes. Would it change it enough to be more interesting? Not even close.
45 mins in and this episode is such a blast. Thanks!
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
We are so glad you are enjoying it.
This was an awesome and fun episode to watch, I enjoyed it a lot.
I really like the guests in the episode, I hope to see them in the future
I believe Nate can't get his assassin back after he's in negative life totals because he's no longer allowed to pay life. If Nate didn't have another trick addition to Vendetta I think Veggie rightly wins the game.
@markbrierley6367
Ай бұрын
Yes, you can't pay life you don't have. Edit: woops. I'm wrong.
@VeggieWagon
24 күн бұрын
This was played correctly, I designed Nate’s deck with this in mind! Rule 107.1b says the negative life payment is replaced with 0, and a player may always pay 0 life.
Enchantress is great and Veen is such a legend
“The first three cards in the land base cost more than my whole deck” this is my favorite line so far.
Veen and Nate are great guests, loving the energy they bring to the table!
I love how people pronounce horror. Horrors under my control
Hell yeah! Love seeing a Davy Jones mill deck
The first deck that I built was a mill deck. I’m thinking of building a Phenax deck where I turn my creatures into artifacts and untap them with Unwinding Clock.
„Listen, you are Both pretty“ killed me 😂
5-0 FoF or you're a cop. I respect the hell outta Nate for that.
Great episode! loved all the twists and turns! 😁 Veggie is always a menace! no matter what deck he plays! I have to say he really is a good player!
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
Shh, he might hear you. Then he'll be insufferable for days!
A fish what? 13:07
such a fun game to watch, love the rule 0
This is a game where the life totals don't matter and the game is harder to win. I love it.
such a fun game to watch I love the rule 0
Love the theme!
If anything Benji wasn't helping him by reminding him to draw he was helping everyone else 😂
For this format would the win the game if you have 50 life or more work? I think the card is Test of Endurance.
@DeckedOutEDH
28 күн бұрын
Yes, a "win the game" alternate win con would work.
I feel like Veen should of had estrid's invocation enter as a privileged position, so his permanents wouldn't of been able to be targeted. Love playing Enchantress so much that I refuse to play it in my current pod because I would be the target every game.
@v33nx0r
Ай бұрын
Pretty sure I would have died if I did that. Instead just tried to continue to be the one that wasn’t attacked
So I have a Tuvasa deck, too. And of course, I have seen other Tuvasa decks. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE INCLUDE ACADEMY RECTOR! 😂 Enchantress decks don’t really sacrifice creatures much (or ever). The times I’ve seen it played in enchantress decks, it just sits there.
@markbrierley6367
Ай бұрын
While it's fetch to battlefield is undoubtedly powerful, sometimes it's just as good as Moat.
@crawdaddy2004
Ай бұрын
@@markbrierley6367 And then if it dies, get Moat. 😂
NG playing Mill. That's that shit I do like.
Didnt the Land make vegies Commander indestructible until end of Turn? Mistake or did i miss something? No offense, just wondering
@alexliang1040
Ай бұрын
The plaza protection only lasted until the end of Veggie's turn, then it passed to Nate
@feelingood4505
Ай бұрын
Ahh ok i didnt notice the change whos Turn it is
Congrats Veggie. I really enjoyed watching everyone play however, this was a strange game of Commander. Thank you Nerd Girl, Veen, Nate, and Veggie Wagon for the video.
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
Veggie didn't win!
@Beckola44
Ай бұрын
@@DeckedOutEDH Who won then?
@DeckedOutEDH
27 күн бұрын
Nate one this one.
@Beckola44
27 күн бұрын
@@DeckedOutEDH I don't know how I missed that!
@SpiritofFuture
24 күн бұрын
@@DeckedOutEDH yes he did. Nate can't pay life he doesn't have
Yippeee!
Classix enchantress deck 7000 permanent on board draw 67 card and took 12 min and then pass turn 😂😂
If not for the hexproof from the privileged position, I would have wanted to take advantage of the "I pay 4 life" since they are 5/5 creatures because of mirrari's wake giving them +1/+1... But it looks like they caught it before too many more game actions went by.
No Airball 😢 (fun game tho!)
I really appreciate nobody just played infect. Would have made the game kinda boring. This game was super out there in a good way though! Loving the weekly content
6:43 EAT THE RICH
Great game, loved the decks, but sad to see it end in a misplay, as Garza's Assassin's Recover ability demands that life be paid, but rules state that you can't pay life you don't have. Thus, once 0 life was hit, Recover wouldn't work anymore. But other than that, great content as always !! Eager to see more.
@JoeDiBango
Ай бұрын
Can here for this.
@VeggieWagon
24 күн бұрын
This was played correctly, I designed Nate’s deck with this in mind! Rule 107.1b says the negative life payment is replaced with 0, and a player may always pay 0 life.
Veen knew the goal was rule 0 right?
Sweeping cleave wouldn't of been able to target tahngarth he had shroud.
@scrdngr
Ай бұрын
sorry didnt notice lightning greaves wasn't there anymore
Algo
Get a life? I thought we start with 40?
Not sure if yall take suggestions but I really would like to see a "deep cut strategy" episode with stuff like energy counters, vehicles maybe some niche tribal stuff! I've just made a Greasefang deck and her style seems right up the decked out alley
Haha
What if life totaks didn't matter? So just every game my usual pod plays where everyone is just trying to combo out?
@primeshifter1699
Ай бұрын
Is it there's no combat damage? Because there's lots of combos that happen with attacking.
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
With no combat or life loss a lot of combos wouldn't work. People are welcome to combo off if it mills someone or something like that.
@justincoleman9776
Ай бұрын
Exactly. Doesnt matter if you have 1 or 10000 life, they just combo and deal "infinite." Makes it so the rest of the game didn't matter at all.
@Red_Mag3
Ай бұрын
@@DeckedOutEDH Thoracle, Approach of the Second Sun/Fork, Underworld Breach/Brain Freeze, Food Chain infinite into Altar of Dementia, Donate Nine Lives etc are the usual culprits.
@Red_Mag3
Ай бұрын
One guy loves to pillowfort into Nyxbloom + Seedborn Muse, for the Helix Pinnacle win, that one's fun/anxiety inducing.
Lobotomize phage
At 18:58 Shouldn't nerd girl take 5 damage because of the double strike Would have killed her creature on the first instance of damage and then hit her on the second.
@primeshifter1699
Ай бұрын
Or do you need trample for that
@Wolfman112
Ай бұрын
You would need trample for that.
@primeshifter1699
Ай бұрын
Ok thanks 😊
Wtf veggie is doing?!
@laoxep
Ай бұрын
Hello! You are new here I presume?
These new guests are great, but someone should tell Veen he doesn't have to be on the mic like he's an MC every time he talks lmao
🍪?
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
Yes! This is a great code for mill.
Always eliminate the enchantment player first, then everyone can have fun.
My goal is to one day be featured as a guest on this show with my muldrotha, the gravetide deck.
@toripaige7290
Ай бұрын
Ugh me too, I’d love to come on the show and do silly fun things with my deck. Plus they seem like a great group to play together
why nate cant die?? i miss that
@DeckedOutEDH
28 күн бұрын
The theme of the game is in the intro to the video. Regular damage can not kill you. It is rule 0.
@franciscotavares4600
28 күн бұрын
@@DeckedOutEDH Thank you! I didn't notice, I just put the video. Hellow from Mexico.
Obligatory viewer interaction comment
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
You are the best!
@owenpapsdorf29
Ай бұрын
@@DeckedOutEDH does that mean you’ll make a multicolored matters progentitus deck? Lol
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
sadly you started posting that the week after we filmed an all 5 color pod. lol But I will try to sneak one it! There is a community deck submission on our twitter where you can get a chance to have your list played!
@owenpapsdorf29
Ай бұрын
@@DeckedOutEDH well drat! Excited to see that episode, and I’ll make a twitter just for yall!
So idk if I like the idea of rule 0, life total doesn't matter. What's the point of attacking one another? Why even have an attack phase. Should have added the idea of attacking another player let's you draw another card for each hit. Making the game still matters when attacking. I understand that commander DMG is still a thing but still feels odd.
@DeckedOutEDH
Ай бұрын
It makes it so you can not pay life. There are a few other reasons attacks can still matter.
I don't see the point of ignoring life totals and keeping commander damage. The best deck would be Black Reinmate with lost of life loss of life point costed cards - with an Alt win con.
@battlebear7214
Ай бұрын
The catch with that is that you cant pay life you dont have. For example, you couldnt just play your entire deck with Bolas' citadel because you cant pay life to cast spells when you're at 0 or lower.
@thatepicwizardguy
Ай бұрын
@@battlebear7214 sure but you COULD play a lot of cards for free... similarly with life not really being an issue but commander damage mattering somebody could have brought Hatred & basilisk collar in a voltron deck. I agree it's actually kind of a dumb ruleset and sure they weren't going to game it like that but still... more interesting would be like what the MTG Goldfish guys did where you can ONLY win with "you win the game" cards, or alt-win conditions ONLY. It still runs into the problem of having creature decks be kinda pointless and everything is rushing to a combo... honestly commander is best when all 4 players pick a cool theme and strictly stick to it. Somebody play John Wick, somebody else go mono-red legends, somebody else picks kaiju, and the last person goes for something like Tomer's 6 drop deck.
“The mana base the first three turns is worth more than my deck”…. The poors be pooring again😂🙄
I feel like veggie using commander damage isn’t in the spirit of the rule zero… they are all going for more creative ways that don’t deal with life total… commander damage is too close to life total to me! But it’s all good just my thoughts