Yesterday I played a casual game with a Stella player. He said up front: " if I draw a card that goes infinite with Stella on its own I'll announce it, exile it and draw again" It happened twice in the game, and he still won 😂

@BasedDeckDept

18 күн бұрын

Stella with infinites is not a casual deck in any way 😂😂😂

@granite_4576

18 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept well like obviously not hence rulezeroing a draw around any combos. The point was deck variety for a final game because even he was sick of Rocco and a million triggers after 3 other games.

@BasedDeckDept

18 күн бұрын

@@granite_4576Yeah fair How did he win whilst avoiding his combos? Eris / Dragons?

@granite_4576

17 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept Niv mizzet shenanigans, alas.

@BasedDeckDept

17 күн бұрын

@@granite_4576 Alas indeed

This deck was too easy to build, I couldn't believe Stella was just $1 for the entire release month.

@BasedDeckDept

22 күн бұрын

She's a powerhouse, that's for sure. I don't know what's worse, that, or that the fumbled the build of the precon that badly. Not saying they should put infinites in the precon, but it doesn't do her justice at all.

@Jawzah

17 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept But wouldn't the rest of the precon being bad actually make her more expensive.. Less people bying multiples of the precon so not that many Stellas baing sold as singles? of course if the precon has OK other cards but just does not play well it might result in people who bought it being disappointed.. But I don't think there's easily much demand for any commander only card that's available in precons as long as the precons are available.. And I suppose Stella deck is just not that much fun to play in casual and if you really go for cEDH .. you'll mroe likely be buying the precon rather than a single - just too much trouble finding a singles seller - maybe -- or if you do bother bying and selling - you could be selling the cards you do not use from the precon..

@BasedDeckDept

17 күн бұрын

@@Jawzah fortunately the precon has a lot of decent staples so despite the construction being a bit wonky, lots of people have picked it up

What I used to do, and I dont anymore because I unmade the deck to play in lower power tables, was to draw my entire deck, exile simian, play lotus petal, tap for 1 mana, sol ring, then red mana from simian and two from solring to play twisted fealty and thats it. it was pretty damn powerful, and my list was like 4 dollars above 100.

@BasedDeckDept

22 күн бұрын

Yeah this build definitely isn't a low power casual deck We're basically doing the same thing with Simian, Petal, Sol ring, and Simian, Rite and Ritual aka draw deck = free Twisted Fealty. Which cards in my list did you omit to fit the petal?

Excellent deck tech dude!

@BasedDeckDept

9 күн бұрын

Hah, thanks again. Glad you enjoyed the Stella video. You should check out my new Melek video for a slightly different Izzet build :D

Love the bit at the beginning about the precon because that was my EXACT issue with playing it 😂 And that land count was atrocious! Definitely making it my Eris deck, and thankfully I have most pieces for the true cEDH version and even then I would play it in proxy-friendly tournaments (I’m for sure missing volcanic island, and I’m not sure if the list runs grim monolith, intuition, or time twister but those are the Ur staples I’m missing; I do have all the other cEDH ramp and free counters however!)

@BasedDeckDept

22 күн бұрын

Glad I was on the money! Wish I was in your shoes in having all those cedh staples

stumbled across this channel, now I know who to build next! thank you. Could you do a control based deck at some point? would be great to see

@BasedDeckDept

18 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Any particular commanders in mind?

Nice Work!

@BasedDeckDept

18 күн бұрын

Thanks!

I was sooo much happier with the precon once I made Eris the commander. Stella actually seemed actively bad in the precon. Eris is the only Izzet spellslinger commander that I have actually liked. Most just feel too exposed to attack or too fiddly with spells vs payoffs.

@BasedDeckDept

8 күн бұрын

Yeah I can appreciate that. I would also rather run Eris within the precon. You should watch my recent video about Melek. He's far from fiddly 😁

@NateFinch

8 күн бұрын

​@@BasedDeckDeptI came here after watching that one! :). Melek also looks cool. I do like that melek doesn't require balancing payoffs vs spells. I think I'll stick with Eris for Izzet though. I'm a green player at heart and pumping out 4/4 prowess dragons is definitely in my wheelhouse.

@BasedDeckDept

8 күн бұрын

@@NateFinch Haha, yeah look if you're a stompy man at heart, Eris is the perfect fit.

This deck's game plan and combo is really interesting to me, great deck and video! I was wondering if there may be any room for Dizzy Spell (Transmute for 1 CMC card, Cerulean wisps/haste enabler) or Drift of Phantasms (Transmute for 3 CMC, Twisted Fealty/Twitch). I think it may make the threats a little more telegraphed, but I feel like these are also some really good and cheap cards to make tutoring for the combo more consistent. What do you think?

@BasedDeckDept

14 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! You could definitely fit either card, although I'd personally only consider Dizzy Spell, as I much prefer the wisps line in the deck. Definitely worth it I think.

What card would you take out for Jeska's Will? The others upgrade options seem easy to fit in since there are similar roles to replace, but jeska's will would be a 4th ritual, and i assume we don't want to take out the spirit guide -> rite of flame -> desperate ritual combo.

@BasedDeckDept

12 күн бұрын

Yes I definitely wouldn't touch the Guide, Rite, Ritual synergy. A word of caution that I haven't tested Jeska's much, so how it fits in to the overall flow of the deck, I'm not sure. Could be clunky. That said, given it's part draw, I'd probably swap a draw spell. Highway Robbery, Demand Answers, etc. Cathartic Reunion would be my pick for the swap target.

@ssgod101

11 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept Thanks! What about spellseeker? (caved in and got one since it was not as expensive as the others). My guess would be muddle the mixture since its the only 3 mana tutor, but the flexibility of also being a counterspell makes it tempting to keep it.

@BasedDeckDept

11 күн бұрын

@@ssgod101 probably one of the card draw spells, maybe one of your cheap cantrips. The card draw really exists to assemble your combo, so if you've got another tutor you have less need for it. 90% of the time you want to go Stella -> Haste Enabler -> Wisps, so the need for the cantrips is minor.

"STELLA!"

@BasedDeckDept

22 күн бұрын

STELLAR!

Can you show what cards you would take out to replace for the upgrade?

@BasedDeckDept

20 күн бұрын

Yeah good suggestion. I'll do that in future videos. In this case it's safe to assume that cards would replace their cheaper / worse counterparts, one for one starting with the weakest or slowest cards in the category. For example, Fierce Guardianship would probably replace Negate, Pact of Negation could replace Daze. Then Dockside and Mox could replace our two worst mana rocks. You get the idea. If there's a specific card you're unsure about, I can tell you what I'd take out

@nathancarlk

19 күн бұрын

@BasedDeckDept thank you! Sometimes it takes several plays with a deck before I can gather what to repace.

@BasedDeckDept

19 күн бұрын

@@nathancarlk It's a pleasure. Happy to help!

Alright, I may be really really new to magic, but how do you win off of drawing your own deck when you still need mana to play the cards you draw?

@BasedDeckDept

6 күн бұрын

Fair question especially for a newer player. Watch from 11:18 for about a minute. You chain Simian Spirit Guide into Rite of Flame into Desperate Ritual, which makes 3 red mana for you out of nowhere. Exiling Simian Spirit guide from your hand gives you the first red mana, even if you have no untapped lands. Hope this helps!

@xavrikxify

6 күн бұрын

​@BasedDeckDept Awesome. I see now. It chains and you get off the three mana to get the combo off. I feel scared with that route as you leave yourself open without counter protection, haha.

@BasedDeckDept

6 күн бұрын

@@xavrikxify Great :) And to be fair, that combo line and total of 6 mana does include a single blue mana for a counterspell or protection. So technically the 3 red mana from drawing the deck should be in addition to a blue mana. But such is the joy of playing combos :D

I've played with the Precon twice, in both games I have attacked for 40+ damage in a single turn as early as turn 5. Definitely have not had slow games with the deck.

@BasedDeckDept

22 күн бұрын

Maybe a case of player diff 😃as that's the polar opposite of what I've seen. What lines enable 40 damage by turn 5?

@attackoncardboard

22 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept handful of creatures into a Pyretic Charge. In my first game, I resolved a Rousing Refrain into Mizzix Mastery into this card. Extremely glass canon though. I was out of gas after that.

I have stella cedh deck Aside from twisted fealty, my other wincons are nic mizzet parun near infinite damage and jace wielder of mystery deck draw win.

@BasedDeckDept

11 сағат бұрын

Do you feel like the deck needs alternate wincons? How often are the valuable

@thomaatoes2874

3 сағат бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept when you play as stella, twisted fealty is the most common wincon. One game I played, I took risk to cast twisted fealty without a counter spell but got countered. I casually played jace wielder of mysteries and used copied unlimited refocus and won the game from there. same happened where I niv mizzet parun on the field and pinged all my opponents from there with unli copy of twitch. It's better to have plenty of tricks up your sleeve.

Commandersalt has this at 7.3, which isn’t bad for a $100 budget. You could win cEDH pods out of nowhere if all the other players spend all their interaction countering all the other win cons.

@BasedDeckDept

17 күн бұрын

Yeah it arguably has the most chance of winning in a cEDH than any of my strong yet casual decks.

In my first comment I left the deck tech to one of my suggestion commanders for new to comp players (Kinnan). If you wanna see how it runs I have a video of gold fishing the deck; kzread.info/dash/bejne/h62X1Y-oeNXQmMo.htmlsi=Y_xeP7GjYriq6AWv

Why no Counterspell?

@narkfly

19 күн бұрын

Too many pips in the casting cost for non mono-U.

@BasedDeckDept

19 күн бұрын

$2.50, double blue mana and slower than any of our one mana counters pushing our combo back a turn. The one mana counters typically perform the same function as a fully fledged counter on turn 4-5 as no one has two+ untapped mana after they've cast a spell attempting to stop us.

@user-ts7rf1up2g

19 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept Dominica Remastered version is about $1.

@user-ts7rf1up2g

19 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept also, Muddle the Mixture and Mission Briefing are already in the deck, so ...

@BasedDeckDept

18 күн бұрын

@@user-ts7rf1up2g Muddle the mixture doubles up as a tutor which far outweighs the value of Counterspell to me. And I don't mean that all double blue casting costs are bad. Mission briefing is great, although I hope I never have to cast it. I'm not against subbing in Counterspell, but this is why I won't be

cEDH is weird to me because unlike almost any other competitive card game it has no curated banlist to keep things "fair". All these infinite combos make it essentially solitaire and the multiplayer aspect becomes irrelevant most of the time. It becomes about building the most power creep infinite combos with emphasis on consistency to dish it out.

@BasedDeckDept

18 күн бұрын

To be fair to cEDH, I think it's arguably more balanced than casual EDH, because it's clear what the most broken things are, and it's no holds barred. None of the power level or social hi jinx to get through. All that said, this list is meant to be a cheap way to play against people with powerful decks below cEDH, as it's definitely not quite at cEDH level, nor could it be without thousands of dollars. Get's surprisingly close though.

All 2 mana rocks that enter tapped will ONLY BRING YOU DOWN. Mfs are better off with IDK expedition map or something.

@BasedDeckDept

18 күн бұрын

Haha, given our curve they're really not that bad. The opportunity cost is very low.

I feel sooo Srry for american mtg players I bought this deck for less then 75$ cause the american market is Facked....... Otherwise Fun and good deck

@BasedDeckDept

9 күн бұрын

Glad you're enjoying the deck. To be fair it outperforms even that $75 price tag by about 5 times :D

@nokthar97

9 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept I can see that 😀 Keep up with the Great decks 🫡❤️

@BasedDeckDept

9 күн бұрын

@@nokthar97 Thank you friend 🙏

Are you actually “based”?

@BasedDeckDept

20 күн бұрын

Depends on your definition 😉

@MisterWebb

20 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDeptOK, subbed, but I would prefer it if you avoided female commanders and furries.

@BasedDeckDept

20 күн бұрын

@@MisterWebb You love to see it (re subbing). What about bears?

@MisterWebb

20 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDept I kind of don’t mind female spellcasters, but absolutely no female fighters. Quadrupedal bears are fine.

@starmanda88

18 күн бұрын

@@BasedDeckDeptit’s a shit look to pander to people like that honestly.