*Are there any other proposals for the creation of certain countries that ended up not happening?* Also, click here tiege.com/generalknowledge to get 30% off your first Tiege Hanley box plus a FREE gift! Let me know what gift you chose in the comments below!

@phill1451

Жыл бұрын

Franco-british union EAF (most likely will happen though) Internam United Korea Kurdistan

@lordaaron3891

Жыл бұрын

@@phill1451 True but if i remember right he already made a video about most if them. ^^

@lordaaron3891

Жыл бұрын

East Austria (territory of austria occupied by the ussr after WW2 like east germany) Armenian Protectorate (propsed by the British in WW1 if i remember right) Crimea (maybe it counts because they had there independence "referendum" in 2014) German Potectorate of Livonia (it even was on the Brest-Litovsk Treaty but still it never existed, so it could also be seen as an proposed state that didnt happen)

@Zeyede_Seyum

Жыл бұрын

Hidase Dam

@ObaidFaisal

Жыл бұрын

United arab republic United korea Central asian union Chechnya

One more Jewish resettlement plan was the Slattery report. It was a proposal by the U.S. Department of the Interior to resettle European Jews fleeing the Nazis in Alaska. It would both be a safe haven for Jews and also, for the Americans, populate and develope the then still underdeveloped territory. If I remember of all the places listed only 3 towns supported the idea. Wasn't a Jewish state but I felt it was worth mentioning.

@notarnar8336

Жыл бұрын

i find it kinda funny how the US has proposed multiple different peoples to be relocated to alaska, another example of this aside from the jews was a plan called Operation Alaska, which would relocate Finnish people to Alaska if the USSR invaded again.

@LakeGameCreepr

Жыл бұрын

It would be a Jewish state, just not an independent one

@bobsnow6242

Жыл бұрын

There's a very good alternate history novel called "The Yiddish Policeman's Union" by Michael Chabon set in an alternate timeline where this scenario becomes reality.

@lazygongfarmer2044

Жыл бұрын

Alaska is still very empty and undeveloped today. The only sizable settled areas are the south-central coast around Anchorage, and the southeastern Panhandle.

Жыл бұрын

I wonder what it means then if it's not about an actual new independent country, I mean, what would prevent those Jews from relocating to anywhere else in the US right away

Insane how they literally thought they could give away one of so many countries belonging to other people. Makes you realise this isn’t a just an Arab or Muslim issue. The ‘conflict’ would’ve happened in which ever place that was chosen to be Israel.

@Abilliph

Жыл бұрын

Yeah.. it's sad... It really goes to show that exiled people, would never be welcomed when trying to return home. There is always someone who won't be happy with someone else regaining land.

@joeychestnut2437

Жыл бұрын

@@Abilliph How long can you be exiled for? A lot of nationalities have been exiled in history.

@Abilliph

Жыл бұрын

@@joeychestnut2437 Yes.. a lot were exiled, and a lot have disappeared.. the Jews still remain. You can remain exiled as long as you remember who you are, as long as your identity does not disappear, and you do not assimilate in the other countries. For example, many Palestinians are now in diaspora.. how long until they are not considered exiled anymore, and lose their right to return?

@joeychestnut2437

Жыл бұрын

@@Abilliph Strange take. Isnt it the jews who have exiled the palestinians in the 20th/21st Century?

@nledaig

11 ай бұрын

@@Abilliph They have no "Right to return"

Madagascar plan seems basically like Attack on titan plot, and there are many german and jewish names in the series, most prominantly; Levi Ackerman.. [Spoilers below if you haven't watched] Like the plan, The island in the series is based on madagascar and is basically ment to serve as a giant ghetto to protect the 'superior marley race', from the 'monsterous eldians' who made a pact with the devil and used it in order to 'eat innocent marleans'. Also the series's technology is literally based on WWI and WWII technology with things such as tanks, planes and cameras recently being made.

@ErenYeager-hy2fx

Жыл бұрын

Daaaaaamm

@Bd569h

Жыл бұрын

SPOILERS Absolutely, although in that case, the story is basically saying that the eldians (jews) ultimately take revenge by committing what would be a nuclear holocaust IRL? I guess its possible. It feels more like the eldians are the germans after their defeat in WWI, absolutely ravaged and isolated from sanctions and a general "fuck germany" attitude in the rest of europe. And then there's this kid that gets sick of being made fun of and beat up that wants to prove himself because he has a very sad (but kinda weird) relationship with his mom, probably didnt draw very well and the other kids laughed at his paintings and stuff. so he joins the army but they keep losing and he's like "jesus fucking christ would you guys show some goddamn motivation" and theyre like "oh wow look at this guy hes pretty charismatic maybe we actually have a chance" and then they start doing really well and then the guy goes "we need to absolutely annihilate the people that did this to us" and so he summons a bunch of giants out of walls and literally crushes them. Eren Yeagar is Hitler. 100%

@DemonOfEndor

6 ай бұрын

Cute comparison. Actually the true similarity is how Germans, just like Eldians, are a conquered people that are being lied to about their past by indoctrinating them with fabrications so they have to feel eternally sorry for their history full of so called sins. Marley is the American-Israeli hedgemony that we are living under right now, and the titan powers are simply our gifts that are being subdued with the poison of postww2 modern dystopia. I hope you can imagine how orgasmic Erens rumbling is in that context :)

I believe in 1946 Ho Chi Minh and David Ben Gurion randomly met in Paris while each on their own business, and the former suggested giving land for the Jewish state in Vietnam, in case the whole Holy Land thing didn't work out. It was just a random remark, not a fully-formed plan, but I often think what the world would be like if it happened.

@Krugster

Жыл бұрын

The Jewish Vietnam War against the USA

@CalvinNoire

7 ай бұрын

Jewish Vietnam War?

@Svensk7119

6 ай бұрын

Ho Chi Minh, whatever his Communistic faults, was a Nationalist. He would have been sympathetic, therefore, to Jewish desires for a nation-state.

@Svensk7119

6 ай бұрын

@AlonsoMondaca-lt7nd That he was patriotic means he was a nationalist. Not according to me, according to the American philosophy at the time. My tone was one of reconciliation, how each side viewed the other. Okay, I admit I believe Communism generally doesn't work, but Ho Chi Minh was trying to build a nation, a united nation of similar but not quite the same peoples from the wreckage of French colonialism. Thus, I say he was a nationalist.

Tasmania is literally: Paradise. It is an incredibly beautiful state and island, with some of the most unique biodiversity in the world. The south west of Tasmania is encompassed in the world heritage site of South West National Park. It would be unsuitable for a massive population of any group, because of the need to protect it's natural beauty.

@RaikoTechnologies

Жыл бұрын

natural beauty is good, but australian wildlife is not 🤧

@Andrew-df1dr

Жыл бұрын

@@RaikoTechnologies It's only the spiders, snakes, jellyfish, crocodiles, emus, platypus, stonefish, blue ringed octopus, kangaroos and drop bears that will kill you.

@RaikoTechnologies

Жыл бұрын

@@Andrew-df1dr 🥱

@LexyLexer

Жыл бұрын

@@Andrew-df1dr 🤓🤓

@captain-chair

Жыл бұрын

How about fucking no. I live here. And I don't like being shot.

Fun fact: the "Uganda Scheme" is mentioned in Israel's history books. History teachers tackle their students with: "What if?" and "Give me 3 reasons in favor of the scheme and 3 against.", etc.

@scvboy1

Жыл бұрын

In favor: Nothing Against: Everything

@Discosaturn

Жыл бұрын

In favor: Not surrounded by desert Against: Too many lions

@taufeeqkhan2629

Жыл бұрын

In favor - far from arabs

@raphaelmugisha9497

Жыл бұрын

So that's how we survived

@magnumopus1628

Жыл бұрын

@@Enceladus2106 It seems that you are part of the people that enjoys using words and implying they have different meanings from their true ones. And by the way, that specific option was turned down precisely because the locals weren't in favor of it, other than the fact that Jews have literally zero connection to that land, and that I would've only been a temporary place for jews to not be *actually ethnically cleansed* in Europe. But go on, you're clearly solving all the issues of the middle east with your delusional comments.

I’m Tasmanian and have heard of the South West Israeli homeland plan. In those days the amount of infrastructure that would’ve been needed in what was then known as the “empty quarter” would be enormous! Still today it is uninhabited, rugged, very wet and World Heritage listed wilderness.

@questionyourself718

6 ай бұрын

I was there half a year ago. Its beautiful! I couldnt imagine destroying the amazing landscape there for citys and streets..

@alexanderwoolley1623

6 ай бұрын

I'm tasmanian also, in huonville, and I cannot imagine our midlands being turned into highways, so much for the stadium am I right?

@ilyatravels

6 ай бұрын

Tasmania is incredible. It remained untouched for many years, the fauna and flora you have there is like no where else and very unique. it should stay like this and should be very protected.

@alexanderwoolley1623

6 ай бұрын

@@ilyatravels we frequently have wallabies and wombats roam our cities, and barely 5-10 minutes drive outside it you see smaller animals, possums even tiger quolls. Just think how much native wildlife would be destroyed in the deep west southwest if it was converted to cities...

@NoName-ds5uq

6 ай бұрын

@@alexanderwoolley1623 I went to kindergarten in Huonville when I lived in Lower Longley in the 70s. I support the stadium though.

What a curious video! Love this channel, congrats!

I'm glad that you made this video. Such informative proposals which some of the public never heard of.

From what I heard about the Fugu Plan, the main reasoning was weaken Chinese trade influence by having somebody friendly to them do commercial activities instead plus they'd likely have ties to other countries economically. From an amoral perspective, the idea wasn't bad but never got to a serious planning stage. It was basically no more than one of many policy proposals to stay in control in Manchuria.

Phenomenal, historic and historical insights, Informative, very well explained, many thanks…

It amuses me that these proposals are always within the most remote or barren locations.

@rsoldier7829

Жыл бұрын

Yep no country wants to give their land for these people, so they forced themselves to the holy land

@RK-cj4oc

Жыл бұрын

Thats because not many people live there to debate it.

@TheBoyer19

Жыл бұрын

Im surprised no one ever proposed the Sahara

@niross819

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBoyer19 I’m not actually, the Sahara desert is an uninhabitable area that no one lives in, but I can see where your mind is going, like how the nazis didn’t thing of it (I’m a Jew btw)

@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901

Жыл бұрын

Because it would cause the least amount of disruption as possible. Like idk some intifadas etc

You forgot about the Kimberly plan. A proposal to establish a Jewish state in Northern Australia in a relatively lightly populated region. The Australian government rejected it.

@NRSRACINGNETWORK

Жыл бұрын

These are some proposals.

@HinduPAGANcowpissdrinkerRAKESH

Жыл бұрын

Now they show their fake love for jewssss

@ZeSvenska1982

Жыл бұрын

Australian antisemitism!

@iihamed711

Жыл бұрын

@@camvacations-2067how dare people not give Jews their land😡. The treatment of Palestinians by Israel and their ethnic cleansing shows why those governments rejected such an idea.

@adamphillips9360

6 ай бұрын

That area of Australia is very resource rich no way they would give that away

What's amazing is how the Eurapean Powers constantly decided that the Jews could settle in lands where the natives are not given a say on the matter as well. They don't seem to want to find a solution within Europe itself even though that's where the problems are. They'd rather make it a different people's problem. It's no wonder as to why even Israel is so controversial today, especially by the imidiate neighbours. The British really didn't care and botched the situation so hard and with the worst part being that there is probably no going back.

@henkvandervossen6616

6 ай бұрын

It forms an english pattern to disfigure kands to their aims. By their policies they destroyed irish and scottish lands, language and religion, leving those countries depopulated with an esteanged population. Their numbers never recovered after being driven out.

@saimalishahid1406

6 ай бұрын

@@henkvandervossen6616 Yeah

@libertycommentator

6 ай бұрын

Jews are the natives in Israel. They were given back their homeland and the Muslim conquerors are not happy

@saimalishahid1406

6 ай бұрын

@libertycommentator You'd have to be a nut case to think that Zionist Jews today are in ANY way native to a land with which the only link they have is an ancestor *centuries, if not more than a Melinnia ago in the past* . Zionist Jews do not have the same right to the land nor are the same as the Jews who have been there since the beginning or reimmigrated and assimilated into the larger society of the land anytime during the past. And no, those Jews can not simply share those rights with Zionist Jews and allow them colonise the region with murder and displacement of other equally native people of the land. Also, what about the Jews who have always been there but instead simply converted to Islam or Christianity from throughout the years?

@ye5170

6 ай бұрын

@@libertycommentatorBy your logic the British should have their empire back since they once owned it, the Natives of the US should have the entire continent to themselves and the Americans leave Europe. By your logic the world is owned by Sri Lanka the 1st place Humans were. Also Muslims didn’t conquer Jerusalem it was the Roman Empire 1st and the Muslims fought the Romans not the Jewish Kingdom get your facts right. Also that doesn’t matter how does having a historical claim to a land give you the right to ethnically cleanse the innocent Arab Palestinians in the lands majority being Children? Get your facts right

Im from Grand Island! We were taught some of that history way back in 4th grade! The only thing I recall being differemt was that they attempted to establish a settlement but a horrible winter that year made them leave. Not too surprising if you know anything about Buffalo's weather, tho we rarely get those horrendous storms in the north towns

@lero_

2 ай бұрын

Winter saved yo ass ❤😂

Patagonia was also mentioned by Theodore Hertzl. The idea of having a country with to coasts from Chile and Argentina and the control of the antartic ocean and claimes for Antartica in the future. Also, this was used to be called in Argentina and Chile as ¨Plan Andinia¨.

@gustavorubenbessolo2569

Жыл бұрын

Hoy se sabe que el Plan Andinia nunca existió. Herlz mencionó al pasar las colonias judías en Santa Fe y en Entre Ríos el barón Hirsch, pero consideró que no respondían a su idea de un hogar nacional judío. / The Andinia Plan never existed. Herlz mentioned in passing the Jewish colonies established by Baron Hirsch, but considered that they did not correspond to his idea of a Jewish national home.

@user-vc4wv4bg4d

6 ай бұрын

Chilian and Argentinan people are so lucky

@Joaking91

6 ай бұрын

We dodged a fucking bullet then.

@radwaelshehry2679

4 ай бұрын

​@@user-vc4wv4bg4dtoday latin americans are some of the biggest supporters of israel imagine if they were instead of Palestine they would have been crying lol

@alxces

4 ай бұрын

@@gustavorubenbessolo2569 Gustavo, para tu informacion el Plan Andina si existio pero no como algo definitivo. Se sabe muy bien de las grandes inversiones de familias judias prominentes como la de los Rothshild, Hirsh entre otros muchas familias que compraron grandes terrenos en la Argentina. La gran imigracion de grupos de Judios mas que todo en la region Patagonica de la Argentina. El negar esto es simplemente una falacia. Argentina fue mas que todo lo que se caracteriza el plan D de los Zionistas. O sea, no el plan A, B o C, si todo falla Suramerica seria un estado de ocupacion Israelita. Como es posible que niegues lo que se menciono en la primera convencion del Zionismo? Por que si quiera mencionar Uganda o Argentina si no fuesen como planes? Para evitar el anti-semitismo se dise que estos no fueron hechos verdaderos, pero lamentandolo mucho lo fueron. Preguntatate a ti ismo donde esta la mayor Diaspora de Palestinos fuera de Palestina? En Chile, el pais al lado de Argentina y seguramente tambien hubiese sido afectado por la irresponsabilidad de los gestores del Zionismo. Acaso tu crees que Chile promovio la llegada de tanta gente de origen Arabe a sus tierras por su buena voluntad? No fue asi, Chile es un pais muy Catolico (en ese entonces) que como todo pais de tal fe no acepta facilmente otras religiones. Se hizo para evitar la llegada de Judios en masa comprando territorios y desplazamiento de habitantes Chilenos de sus tierras asi como ocurrio cuando Los Ingleses permitieron a los Judios Europeos emigrar en masa a Palestina o cuando empezaron a llegar tantos Judios a la Argentina. Estas negando la verdad, no es ninguna casualidad que las comunidades Judias de Chile sean tan minimas comparadas con las de Argentina. El anti-semitismo se tiene que evitar pero, en este caso lamentandolo mucho el poco anti-semitismo que queda en la region de Suramerica es legado de el mismo Zeonismo. Le guste a quien le guste esta fue una realidad que fue dada en marcha y no llego a su meta. Si Israel hubiese determinado tomar a Argentina y parte de Chile, hoy seria esa region sufriendo lo que sufren los Palestinos con la excepcion de que los Suramericanos hubiesen peleado de manera mas ferrea y el anti-semitismo se hubiese propagado a todas las Americas.

I'm a Judaic Studies major in my university. I found this video to be informative and interesting, filling out further historical context that I had not previously heard! Thanks for being informative, neutral, and cognitive of the topic

@lenninho5113

Жыл бұрын

what uni do you go to that offers that class? i’d love to take it

@v1e1r1g1e1

Жыл бұрын

I recommend you check out my comment re: the Hasmonean Kingdom. Other commentators here have pointed out that there were a number of autonomous Jewish entities that existed in Arabia, and elsewhere throughout history. If even we know about this, and this presentation doesn't, I wouldn't put much store in this presentation for accuracy of information.

@swejrekcuf5329

Жыл бұрын

Take your head out of where the sun don't shine & HaShem resides in. What they teach you in your yeshiva & local friendly brothel synagogues is inaccurate vis-a-vis the true location of historic israel to justify stealing the land of others. ONLY in judaism thievery is a religious act.

@holly541

Жыл бұрын

@@swejrekcuf5329 what rant are you going on about?

@holly541

Жыл бұрын

@@lenninho5113 there's a comprehensive list under the Association for Judaic Studies website showing what colleges and uni's worldwide have affiliated programs. In my area, University of Washington, Portland State University, and Oregon State University all have Judaic Studies programs.

Very interesting. Thank you for your time. Cheers

Os teus vídeos são legitimamente impressionantes, imagino que uma conversa sobre geopolítica e estado do mundo o seja também! Excelente trabalho! Um extra ser de um tugão! 🔥

@Carolina-rd3gh

6 ай бұрын

Concordo 100%

Learned so much today. Huge thanks!

I’ve was thinking about this a few days ago, thank you for boiling it down for me

Imagine if you had the Tasmanian state of Israel next to Australia 😅

@davenoi

6 ай бұрын

NO

@itookallthenames

6 ай бұрын

We would have just grown up thinking it was normal

@itookallthenames

6 ай бұрын

@@dynevor6327 “god said he wanted us to have Melbourne and Geelong as well.”

@al3957

5 ай бұрын

No bordering countries to fight with

@lero_

2 ай бұрын

God saved Australia

I think it would've made more sense to put a Jewish homeland in Belgium, its not like anyone would care if we got rid of Belgium

@Anonymous-xz1ym

Жыл бұрын

Based Dutch opinion i see

@masterdeetectiv9520

Жыл бұрын

Whats belgium? Do you mean Zuid Nederland?

@epic_pandas

Жыл бұрын

@@masterdeetectiv9520 I actually mean Greater Luxembourg

@kittenzrulz2314

Жыл бұрын

@@epic_pandas Based

@izzybobkelley4465

7 ай бұрын

Let's get rid of u

As an Aussie, I never knew about the Port Davey plan. Fascinating to learn. Thanks GK!

@andrewlindsay4773

Жыл бұрын

As a Tasmanian I am intrigued an unsettled place with no road access could have been proposed

@itsytyt5192

Жыл бұрын

מי

@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor

Жыл бұрын

I never heard of it either.

@betula2137

Жыл бұрын

I did but didn't expect a video to know

@HinduPAGANcowpissdrinkerRAKESH

Жыл бұрын

Australia should be given to jewsss

Pretty fascinating! I was familiar with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia, and I knew there were other propositions for Jewish settlement, but I never looked much into it.

@General.Knowledge

Жыл бұрын

I was really fascinated by all of these when I found them. I never knew there had been other projects

@GarrettFruge

Жыл бұрын

Ararat was interesting to learn of. It kind of reminded me of one of those Utopian colonies that started popping up around New England and the Great Lakes region in the U.S. back in the 19th Century.

@user-gr9fq9gt9w

Жыл бұрын

There are way more... From Morrocco, Sinai, Cyprus, North-West Australia (Kimberly), Argentina... Even Ho-Chi Minn offered for the pre-Israeli government to make an autonomous government-in-exile in North Vietnam.

@kingace6186

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact about the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia: It is only less than 1% Jewish. This makes me wonder -- if Russia is the country with the 7th largest Jewish population, where in Russia are they even?? *EDIT:* NVM the video addressed this.

@user-gr9fq9gt9w

Жыл бұрын

@@kingace6186 At the Western part in big cities - where most of the population are and not in the Middle of Siberia like the JAO... The plan of the JAO was first and foremost antisemitism. It was to separate the Jews from the rest of the population in a small isolated far away area.

Coming back to this because it feels very relevant right now. Feel like they may have been best off creating a state where there wasn’t an existing state simply on ground that a Jewish state existed there 2700+ years prior.

A not so fun but interesting fact, I'm born and raised in Britain. But my Father is Palestinian and he legitimately thought that the Holocaust was Jewish Propaganda to get Arabs to sympathise with the Jews/Israelis, he now doesn't think this. But it took a full blown first hand account from my Grandad who fought in the war, lost a brother in said war and was fighting in Italy for most of it and saw the after effects of the camps. This was in the 80s, but it still amazes me how fucked up that situation would be and how that was probably a very, very bad day for all those involved.

@bootypluderer

Жыл бұрын

Your Grandad is Palestinian? and he fought in WW2? that seems far fetched

@quadratusoftheequilibrium5213

Жыл бұрын

@@bootypluderer At this point of time the area of which Palestine/Isreal exists was under the British I believe so they would’ve likely had to fight for Britain for the Italian campaign

@bootypluderer

Жыл бұрын

@@quadratusoftheequilibrium5213 ok, but there were no concentration camps in Italy for Jewish people, so how did the Grandad's testimony contribute to the argument?

@sceerane8662

Жыл бұрын

@@bootypluderer There was still fighting with Germany even after Italy was done. He could've been sent over the alps to Austria, Or perhaps further into Germany before the war ended.

@Ahmed-pf3lg

6 ай бұрын

Maybe it was true after all.. Free Palestine.

This is the calmest comment section on a video about Israel that I have ever seen 💀

@Ihatecoloredppl

Жыл бұрын

fr 💀

@mikicerise6250

Жыл бұрын

the I word!!!! the I word!!!!!!!!!!

@DanielMesq

Жыл бұрын

Its always calm until some random pro Palestinians comes up saying stuff

@mohamed_alaa-

Жыл бұрын

@@DanielMesq or some random pro Israeli say stuff

@user-ud3yv1hl7k

Жыл бұрын

@@DanielMesq because they literally stole and are currently occupying all of historic palestine and subjugated an entire group and exiled over 80% of them, never to return again. what do you expect?

The video quality has increased significantly over the last videos. Keep up like this!

@bumingokturk7870

Жыл бұрын

Support İsrael From Turkey 🇹🇷🇮🇱 The People Of İsrael Are Origin Khazar Turks

@skyethehusky2583

Жыл бұрын

@@bumingokturk7870 nope free 🇵🇸

@DanielMesq

Жыл бұрын

@@bumingokturk7870 W i support Israel from Portugal

@DanielMesq

Жыл бұрын

@@skyethehusky2583 free Palestine from Hamas Israel already freed Palestine

What I am going to mention here is something I saw on TV only once, during the the late 1970s or early 80s. Maybe somebody else might remember it. In the late 1940s, when the re-establishment of Israel was being discussed, a very prominent Arab, I forget whom, when told of the Holocaust, said "Germany committed a terrible crime!!!! Let Germany pay for it!!!!! Germany should be made to give a large part of its territory to the Jews!!!! The Jews will have a safe and secure homeland of their own then!!!!" But no one listened to him.

@amalkardaly1652

6 ай бұрын

HE WAS SO RIGHT and LOGICAL

@corneliaullrich5296

5 ай бұрын

When I was at school in the 1980s in Germany I come up with the idea that after WW II Berlin and Brandenburg (part of the old Prussia and centre of colonial and NS-Power) should have been given to the Jewish people, like other parts of Germany had to be handed over to Poland and the then Sovietunion. My teacher called me out for such e crazy idea.

As a Buffalonian, I've never been so surprised to see Grand Island pop up in world history

@jajastacha3796

6 ай бұрын

That's what i said lol

This was extremely interesting as I knew about the British proposal in Uganda and the autonomous area in the Soviet Union, but never knew anything at all about the other options. The Grand Island, New York idea was something I found intriguing as I'm originally from Rochester, New York, a short 2 hour drive from that area.

One of your best videos to date. Dear lord, this was a good one

Nice video 👏🏻👏🏻

Two you missed, the Andinia Plan in Argentina and Chile around 1880 and the Kimberley Plan in Australia in the 1930s.

@gustavorubenbessolo2569

Жыл бұрын

The Andinia Plan never existed.

@lero_

2 ай бұрын

God saved all this countries❤

I love your videos! Please keep going like that, the quality of your videos is just insane! ^^

@DWVestergaard

Жыл бұрын

facts

@General.Knowledge

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@lordaaron3891

Жыл бұрын

@@General.Knowledge No i have to thank YOU for your videos, always interesting to watch and you always learn something. Also the style of your videos is unique, i have never seen this drawing style anywhere other than in your videos. So congrats to you and everyone who is working in the background ( i just assume you have an artist to draw everything in your videos, if you do it by yourself that would be even more impressing) for creating these videos and for what you have achieved with your channel. You really deserve it! ^^

8:47 Soviet Onion had me laughing so much 🤣 Nice video, though!

@frigginjerk

Жыл бұрын

In former Soviet Union, onion chops you.

One of the most informative videos I watched since the new year Eve .. and most importantly it's talking about HISTORICAL FACTS .. not POLITICAL OPINIONS .. .. Almost exactly as what you'll find in Wikipedia if you search for : Jewish State Proposals

I live in Tasmania, had to do a double take at the thumbnail lol.

Great video! Keep up the content! :)

Great vid, I was a little surprised that Aregentina wasn't in the vid, though. Theodor Hertzl also proposed Argentina as a Jewish state location in Der Judenstaat, before working on the Uganda plan (1896 to be exact).

@-ninguno6607

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because this one is for real, hahaha

@YangwanAuto

Жыл бұрын

@@-ninguno6607 omg really?

@lero_

2 ай бұрын

Argentina is a lucky mf for real

The explanation is really cool 🆒

Very interesting, thanks! P. S. There is a typo around 8:45: "Soviet Onion"

@giacomolanza1726

Жыл бұрын

@@piebit101 I think that should be "Soviet Union" ;-)

What a great informative video. I'm certain the comment section only contains reasonable, respectful content.

@spikeshnoops9940

Жыл бұрын

MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND Turkey colonized Cypress in 1974 (war). Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!) Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT) Most critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail Palestine-Executing homosexuals & Christianity One million butchered in Syria FREE TIBET! China conquered Tibet in 1956 (2 million dead) & transformed her into a giant Chinese satanic ILLEGAL CHINESE SETTLEMENT. Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Sterilizing Muslim women. Shaving Muslim men beards. Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide Russia bombarded Independence seeking Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 men, women & children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT) Return California (ILLEGAL SETTLEMENT) to Mexico BDS Turkey’s tourism, Russian vodka, Chinese sweet & sour sauce, U.S. exports & your very own relative ‘morality’, intellectual corruption & nauseating bias at once!

@yaboikindabored9831

Жыл бұрын

@@astudentthatwantstolearn Yep and there they are

@john2g1

Жыл бұрын

@@astudentthatwantstolearn I will try... The original poster @Yothi tweeling never said his video was respectful he said the video was informative. He sarcastically said that the comment section would be respectful. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding this video it is not respectful or disrespectful of anything. It's just information: Here is where the Kingdom of Israel used to be Here is where the country of Israel is today Here are eight places where someone tried to propose a Jewish state that never happened There were a few declarations made that you can say are factually incorrect but this video was just information. If I tell you that the Earth is spinning I'm not being respectful or disrespectful. I'm just stating a matter of fact the Earth is spinning.

@E4439Qv5

Жыл бұрын

@@john2g1 motion is relative, and since most everything we've got is spinning with the Earth at roughly the same speed, it's kinda moot.

I live 8 km (5 miles) from "Ararat City." I've heard about that proposal before. Later on, there was a similar suggestion, also not taken especially seriously by anybody, to put the United Nations on Navy Island, the smaller island to the northwest of Grand Island. It would have been accessible from the USA or Canada.

My great grandfather was active in the movement for the creation of a Jewish state before the Holocaust. He felt that it would be impossible to create a homeland in Palestine as there were already too many people living there. His opinion was that it should instead be in Suriname.

@mubinamo

6 ай бұрын

Why Suriname?

@the_roman_emperor_fisheater

2 ай бұрын

​@@mubinamomaybe to give everyone cool surnames

The Australia one is the best of out of all of them including today Jewish state idea. Its the only place I can think of where dispute and fight won't happen.

Excellent disclaimer at the beginning. Respect goes both way. Peace

Do proposals of a Romani state next! While I see a lot of good sources of alternate places for a Jewish state, I can’t find much about proposals of a Romani state.

@welwitschia3756

Жыл бұрын

literally could've sent them back to India

@sj7178

Жыл бұрын

@@welwitschia3756 I can't speak for the Romani community but I don't think they would want to move there. They've been living in Europe for centuries and probably have significantly more in common with neighbouring Europeans than they do to people in South Asia. It would be as strange as convincing English people to move to Anglia and Saxony in Germany

@sj7178

Жыл бұрын

@Sir-Cheezy Mcweezy Not all that strange considering Europe and Asia share a land border, and that the two regions have had trade relations for thousands of years. There's always been migration between places throughout history. Just for fun, I will list some groups of people you might be surprised to learn about: - The Kalmyks of Kalmykia, Russia are of Mongolian origin and are the only Buddhist ethnic group native to Europe - The Gagauz people are a Turkic speaking, Orthodox ethnic group native to Moldova - The Syriac Christians of India, a sizeable minority in the state of Kerala, are one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, with Thomas the Apostle arriving there in the 1st century CE - Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are all Finno-ugric languages originating in Siberia, unlike most of Europe which speaks Indo-European languages - The earliest Malagasy, the native people of Madagascar, are believed to have arrived from Southeast Asia rather than neighbouring Africa

@sj7178

Жыл бұрын

@Sir-Cheezy Mcweezy A bit random but cool profile pic, didn't know they added an eye block to Minecraft

@Halal_Lettuce

Жыл бұрын

@Sir-Cheezy Mcweezy I heard they came as slaves to the Balkans, and the Balkan people thought they came from Egypt. So the theory that the Romani came from Egypt was born!

Interesting. Though there was one more project in 1946. The Saramaccaproject. The plan was to be carried out, the Staten van Suriname (the name of the parliament back then) had already voted in favor. The Dutch government was also in favor. They'd reached written agreement on many points. For example, it was agreed that the immigrants should settle in their own villages where they would have complete religious freedom, that they should commit themselves to learning Dutch and should strive for Dutch citizenship. The only remaining point of contention, the number of Jewish immigrants, was tentatively set at 30,000, with the possibility of more to come later. (Suriname then had about 180,000 inhabitants). The 30,000 Jews would be settled in the Saramacca district, southwest of Groningen, in an area between 60 and 65 km². The cost of this plan was estimated at USD 35 million. Hans Samson, the Surinamese representative of the Freeland League, took care of the translation. Though major objections in Suriname came from the Surinamese Zionist Union. In Zionist circles, including in the US and in the Netherlands, there was strong opposition to the Freeland League's plans because they could thwart the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. The Zionists therefore exerted pressure not to let the plan go ahead. The resistance of the Nationalist Party Suriname (NPS) was of great influence in Suriname itself. This Creole party feared that mass immigration of Jews would eventually lead to political and economic domination by Jews. The objections of the Dutch government were decisive, however. In the beginning he had been positive about the plan, but after a while he turned against it. It was feared that there would be many 'Communist infiltrators' among the Jewish immigrants from Central and Eastern Europe, so that Suriname could become a communist state. In May 1948, Israel declared its independence. The new Surinamese governor, Willem Huender, then indicated in August that it had been decided to suspend the Jewish immigration plans until the international situation would clear up. Despite many attempts by the Freeland League, the plans were never seriously considered on the Dutch and Surinamese sides. However, the Saramacca project has never been officially discontinued.

I think the Prussian territory of Koninsberg or Kalinigrad before partition would have been an apt compensation considering Germanys direct involvement and getting the heart of Prussia. Most likely this would have been a Jewish Soviet Republic which later resembles the Baltic states post 1991.

I knew about the Madagascar proposal, but the Uganda one is new to me.

@StreetDrilla

Жыл бұрын

everyone knows about Uganda, its these other ones i didnt know about

@YoavShaked

Жыл бұрын

Its actually surprising because in israel the Uganda proposal is the main example for different place that were offered to the jews

2:04 you forgot about the Hasmonean dynasty

It wasn’t a proposal but there was a Jewish explorer who visited the Kimberly Region of Australia with the hope that might become the Jewish State, I believe is he also visited Victoria as well. I think there was a Proposal for a Jewish state in Canada somewhere.

There was a proposal to establish a Jewish homeland in the Sinai Desert. There was also a second proposal for Australia, in which a Jewish homeland would have been established along the north coast of the continent.

@samsonsoturian6013

Жыл бұрын

There were three Jewish settlements in the Sinai. They were all abandoned during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

The madagascar plan was first devised by the Polish in the 1920s, but was later adopted by Germany years later

@owlmirror178

Жыл бұрын

Can you please explain why this plan came from the Polish? Madakascar was a death camp for Europeans and of course European Jews with malaria, plague, cholera, dengue fever etc. At that time. If the Germans had still spearheaded the sea routes, it would have meant the end.

@mac17633

Жыл бұрын

@@owlmirror178 The interwar Polish Republic wasn't the biggest friend to Jews

@owlmirror178

Жыл бұрын

@@mac17633 Thanks. I didn´t know

@General.Knowledge

Жыл бұрын

Yes! And apparently the French government at the time also approved of the idea?

@dariusz2303

Жыл бұрын

Yes,by Poland,but not for Jewish state...for Polish farmers instead

Great video but please check and possibly fix: A jewish state in the 2nd to 1st century in the same location - had strong ties to Hellenic world (after a successful rebellion by Judeh the Maccabi), and later Rome but independent and actually quite aggressive and conquering, continued to exist until middle 1st century under Roman 'protectorate', Had kings like Johanan Horkenus, Aristoteblus, queen Shlomzion and others.

@songcramp66

Жыл бұрын

Kind of strange that he missed that since it was the country Jesus was born in and is pretty common knowledge throughout the Western world. Sounds like he's just not familiar with Jewish history.

@Gameflyer001

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the Hasmonean Dynasty.

@jtarsh

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this guy clearly knows nothing about Jewish history. It’s embarrassing. Video should be deleted

@john2g1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah at 2:06 he says "no other specifically Jewish state had existed since that time"... He used the Bible as a reference so it does seem odd that this "state" was skipped. IDK what he used as a qualifier but having your own government generally makes you your own "State" whether it be Kingdom, Empire, Republic, Caliphate or anything else.

@john2g1

Жыл бұрын

@@jtarsh That's a hardline view. I think the video should be reposted with the correction in place. I don't know if the poster is an actual historian or just a content creator but he's not omnipotent. These videos are literally about everything geographical or historical there's no way he can know everything about everything.

The video actually starts at 5:10

As a Ugandan, I’m starting to think that we might have dodged a literal bullet.

@veralium29

6 ай бұрын

Yep!

@Jack-zs2yd

6 ай бұрын

As a fellow Ugandan, I completely disagree. Historically, every single war was started by Palestine or their allies against Israel. Peace & Love to everyone!!

@Daniel-ll2cl

6 ай бұрын

Only white people can think they could give away land that isnt even there. Lmao uganda could have been a apartheid state

@Mir-pe8dl

6 ай бұрын

@@Jack-zs2ydSo you would have accept that straight away

@fidelmorales6880

6 ай бұрын

Because you people have your own massacre?

Great video like always! Anyways my suggestion is places with shocking population gains or losses

@spikeshnoops9940

Жыл бұрын

MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND Turkey colonized Cypress in 1974 (war). Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!) Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT) Most critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail Palestine-Executing homosexuals & Christianity One million butchered in Syria FREE TIBET! China conquered Tibet in 1956 (2 million dead) & transformed her into a giant Chinese satanic ILLEGAL CHINESE SETTLEMENT. Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Sterilizing Muslim women. Shaving Muslim men beards. Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide Russia bombarded Independence seeking Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 men, women & children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT) Return California (ILLEGAL SETTLEMENT) to Mexico BDS Turkey’s tourism, Russian vodka, Chinese sweet & sour sauce, U.S. exports & your very own relative ‘morality’, intellectual corruption & nauseating bias at once!

You state that there wasn't a Jewish state from after the kingdom split, but there was the hasmonean kingdom during the middle of the second temple era, which was totally independent for about 80 years! With no Greek or Roman control.

Imagine giving away land that has it's inhabitants. Sick people

@ranamansouier1185

6 ай бұрын

I know right like who gave them the right to do that.

@ranamansouier1185

6 ай бұрын

I know right like who gave them the right to do that.

@ranamansouier1185

6 ай бұрын

I know right like who gave them the right to do that.

@akeel_1701

6 ай бұрын

I know but that's white colonial mentality - native are nothing but Pawns

@goldencoast8896

6 ай бұрын

White people, not surprised.

At 8.43 the map shows the Soviet Onion. This topic was informatively covered on Cunk on Earth

There was also plans to make a Jewish state in norther territories and in northern Western Australia (around Kimberly region)

I like the variety with this video, only thing I might add would be the suggested settlement of the Jewish people in Patagonia and around the southern end of South America

@Rayitolaser569

Жыл бұрын

I can't understand how people don't see how fucked up these ideas are

There was the Kimberley scheme in northern Australia too

Ethiopia was not part of Italy as it won the war and was never colonised

@Brandon_TG_Smith

6 ай бұрын

It was occupied by Italy during WW2, but it wasn’t owned/colonised by Italy. Basically Ethiopia was in the same situation as like The Netherlands, it still existed in exile, Dutch resistance was still actively fighting the Nazis, the Nazis never integrated the territory, and it was quickly reclaimed by the Netherlands after WW2

@user-me5jq4dv4i

6 ай бұрын

@@Brandon_TG_Smith that is also right

8:47 Soviet Onion 🤣 btw love your presentation

It's crazy to think about all of the proposed states of Israel. Some wacky; others not so much. Also, I found that map of the Jewish Diaspora (0:05) very informative and in some ways surprising.

@negationf6973

Жыл бұрын

I think the figure given for the US is lower than usually estimated.

@Item1948

Жыл бұрын

@@negationf6973 There are various and significantly different numbers because the intermarriage rate of Jews in the US is very high, some surveys count those who are half Jewish as well, some only count those who are fully Jewish, some even count those who are eligible for Israeli citizenship (1 Jewish grandparent) so you can have one estimate say there are 5 million, one estimate say there are 7 million and some estimate even say there are 10 million. It depends on how it is counted

@jasondanielfair2193

Жыл бұрын

The map of the diaspora is missing communities in North Africa and East of Israel, like Yemen. It was a little unclear to me when the map was referring to, but while it was informative, it really should have been provided alongside another one of other locations in time. A small number of Jews actually managed to stay in the Land of Israel, largely in the northern city of Tzfat and similar religious remote areas.

@kingace6186

Жыл бұрын

@@negationf6973 I figured as much. I might be incorrect though.

@echo5935

Жыл бұрын

@@Item1948 free palestine

On 6:31 you've circled the wrong area. The Jews were to be resettled in Uasin Gishu, which is in present day Kenya, a huge distance East of the circle. When dealing with East African history, you have to remember that Kenya as a national name only begins to exist in the 1910s, so alot of present day Kenyan territory is named under Uganda. A good example of this is the 1906 Uganda railway being named so, despite most of it spreading between Mombasa and Kisumu, which is Kenyan land. You can actually tell the time period when certain books were written, depending on if they refer to it as "Uganda railway" or " Kenya - Uganda railway".

@dom_xi-dzopa720

Жыл бұрын

thanks for this

@afckajjansi

6 ай бұрын

Well, that just makes it uganda bc it was uganda back then. he's not talking about present day borders

@michibosire5000

6 ай бұрын

@afckajjansi what I meant is, the region circled is present day Uganda, but the region for Jewish resettlement is Uasin Gishu, currently present day Kenya, but in the 1890s was considered Ugandan. Meaning that the circle is wrongly located.

@tealsquare

6 ай бұрын

​@@michibosire5000there is a very vibrant black Jewish community in Mbale, Uganda too. That's probably where he pointed on the map.

@limofootball

6 ай бұрын

​@@michibosire5000which makes it Uganda, doesn't it? It was literally called the Uganda scheme. What's your argument? The British should return Ugandan land to Uganda maybe lol. That makes Kenya smaller and share 0% of Lake Victoria. Uganda has more Gushi land than Kenya and almost all Gishu tribe live on the Ugandan side. Lastly, they weren't just gonna be in gishu, it was mostly the area on the border of Uganda and Kenya. Far eastern Uganda and present day far Western Kenya which was then in Uganda. Anyways, no one gives a crap as (thankfully)it didn't follow through and they don't belong there. I mean if they couldn't accept their brothers in Ethiopia (much bigger Jewish community) bc they're much darker. What makes you think they'd get along with a few Jewish people in eastern Uganda who are 5x darker than the Ethiopian jews?😂 And Amin would've had them for dinner 30 years down the road 😂.

The Madagascar plan sounded like the best route to go

@alajarbi

6 ай бұрын

We don't Eren in the real world

@user-ep5nl2yo8t

4 ай бұрын

You ride for ethnic cleansing dude , no plan is okay,,, so many ethnogroup doesn't have land like Kurds , and they are under any other one ruling,, so the idea itself is inapplicable,,, instead create more laws to protect everyone and try to make everyone equal

The Uganda Scheme was not proposed in Uganda, but in a small area of modern day Kenya called Guas Nagishu.

@brianmungai2401

Жыл бұрын

Uasin gishu

@baloz8974

Жыл бұрын

👍 ✔️ true

Keep up the great work 👍👍

Antartica would have been a better choice.

8:50 did anyone else notice the Soviet Onion map? Philomena Cunk was right?! 😂

In Soviet Union, you get land for autonomy... in Siberia!

@rwboa22

Жыл бұрын

More like the Soviet/Russian Far East, which is about as bad as Siberia, yet is near Communist-occupied Mainland China and North Korea; territories occupied by Imperial Japan until V-J Day in 1945.

@OmbreDunDouble

Жыл бұрын

I mean that's one of the best option given the fact that there wasn't so much natives on this lands. Also I think that the soviets knew what they we're doing, the jews being a people of trading since a long time, having their skills on the sino-russian border could have been a clever idea.

You made a mostake at 2:08. After the Macabian revolt there was an established 2nd kingdom of Judea which lasted until 41CE, and then there was the Judean republic of 66CE and the various jewish revolts until the 7th Century

@moshe4696

Жыл бұрын

Based askMena poster 🤝

As a Ugandan I’m glad they weren’t placed on our territory. That’s our territory not theirs

@bwarrior6340

6 ай бұрын

The Chinese will take it, don't worry.

@amalkardaly1652

6 ай бұрын

u are lucky

@tikaltoki4561

3 ай бұрын

I am sure then you understand why it as not fair to the Palestinians too.

@lero_

2 ай бұрын

Thanks God for your beautiful country to stay alive dude, sadly Palestinians wasn't that lucky 😢❤

@user-rz1hp9cy2g

28 күн бұрын

It’s not over bro, that why they devilish ediamin dada, and they have dealt with Kenya and even put their own government in Ethiopia, . As they’re said on media they will come after east Africa once they finish with gaza😅😊

There was a new proposal earlier this year from an Israeli official to buy an island in Greece for emergencies but got rejected

There are more that you didn't mentioned. Prussia offered to Ben gurion after ww2, Sinai peninsula, offered by the British and probably more that I don't remember right now.

@cc_jmk

Жыл бұрын

Prussia or Russia? It would have been an interesting twist if Konigsberg / Kalinigrad was made into a jewish state instead of a russian exclave ahah

"You are not going to solve the Middle East crisis in the comment section of a KZread video" that should be one of the terms and conditions to signing into KZread… An understanding of that statement😂😂 people can dream

You omitted the actual Jewish state of the Hasmonean Kingdom. It ruled over Judaea, the Galilee, the philistine coastal plain, and much of the Transjordan including the Golan heights

There was also a proposal to a location in south Argentina...

Jim Jones tried to create a "New Jerusalem" in Guyana. J.K. - keep up the good work !

honostly i really applaud how you are able to keep your videos and the comments neutral and objective

@kingace6186

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. And I like how he said, "you're not gonna solve the Middle East crisis in a KZread comment section." LMAO. So true.

@valhalla-tupiniquim

Жыл бұрын

The disclaimer was very good.

@drainer3339

Жыл бұрын

@Motorcycling with Suzuki V-Strom like what

@ASocialistTransGirl

Жыл бұрын

@Motorcycling with Suzuki V-Strom example?

You should read "The Yiddish Policeman's Union" a novel by Michael Chabon. It imagines a Jewish state set up in Alaska.

@floycewhite6991

Жыл бұрын

You should read QBVII, a novel by Leon Uris. It imagines a novelist who wrote a fictional novel called Holocaust, which libeled Germans.

8:51-8:53 what is population density in the Soviet onion 🤔 remember bbc philomena cunk interview about Soviet onion😁

@General Knowledge you skipped the Hasmonaean dynasty and their state, I think it's important to mention.

Great video! Just one correction: in the start you said that after the kingdom of Israel in the old testament there was never a unified Jewish state in Palestine until the formation of Israel in 1948, but actually there was a jewish kingdom called the Hasmonean kingdom in the area for about a century from around 140 to 40 BC.

@maragolihistory2118

Жыл бұрын

The debate is location.... Palestine is not the historical ancient Israel.

@Happyfor96

Жыл бұрын

BS

@hstikkytokkyy

Жыл бұрын

@@Happyfor96 keep listening to what the media want you to believe. Palestine is not real

@brandonlyon730

Жыл бұрын

@@maragolihistory2118technically there was never a Palestine until the occupation of the area by the Roman Empire.

@maragolihistory2118

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonlyon730 Not everyone is like you guy!! Palestinians are Natives. Stop killing them.

8:42 hehehe Soviet Onion, now that joke has layers

Also, the years of the ancient/biblical kingdoms of Judah and Israel are greatly off. I think the creator means when they started not how long they lasted. the last Jewish kingdoms in Israel ended around 580 BCE, not around 900 BCE.

I’m sure the comments on this video are going to be completely rational and respectful of each other’s opinions, the internet is such a wonderful Place 😆

An alt-history scenario that I think is kind of interesting is what if after WW2, instead of Palestine, the Jewish people had been given East Prussia as a new homeland? There's so many things to consider with that scenario. What would they do during the Cold War? What would happen if Russia didn't have Kaliningrad?

@babla69420

Жыл бұрын

What if eugenics spread instead of communism

@ratisbonawau

Жыл бұрын

Same thing with the Book Judenstaat where Saxony becomes a Jewish State, although the Native Germans dont appreciate the ethnic cleansing and would most likely mean Germans not forgetting about the Genocides against them post WW2 and a far more right wing Germany

@TheMusiclover500

Жыл бұрын

I always thought it would have been interesting is Stalin made East Prussia a Jewish state within the Soviet Union as an alternative to the unpopular JAO and a reparation for the holocaust (which the west wasn’t fully in board with accepting yet) and then they voted for independence in 91 and joined the EU with the Baltic’s in 94, it would be a mixed dialect Yiddish & Russian speaking state mostly I assume with both official languages until present

@frankb3347

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think that would be a really interesting alt-history scenario. Not only in how it would effect Europe but also the Middle East if the state of Israel wasn't established.

@hectorvega621

7 ай бұрын

This is something I thought off and would have arguably made some sense. Given that Germany was the Country that did harm to them henceforth secede Konigsberg to the Jewish people than Palestine were the people did nothing to the Jews but were punished regardless. However, they'll probably be some issues but it probably would have been resolved to this day as opposed to what we have.

There was also a plan to create a Jewish State in Southern Argentina region, in Patagonia if I’m not mistaken.

While Ararat City, New York may have failed there are now several locations in New York state close to each other that have large Jewish populations including one bearing a Jewish name. This is in addition to the population within New York City.

So every European power wanted to get rid of them

@quasar4601

Жыл бұрын

Yes !!!

@Gameflyer001

Жыл бұрын

And now they're stuck with those they really should be trying to get rid of (hint: this doesn't refer to the Jews).

@TheSunMoon

Жыл бұрын

They didn't want turmoil in their lands, yet gifted the Arabs that same problem.

@user-gr9fq9gt9w

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSunMoon The British did not ""help to establish a Jewish state"", the Balfour declaration was de facto as worthless as any other ""promises"" of the British empire to it's colonial subject. (Not to mention that "safe homeland" is absolutely not independent sovereign state". The British prevented hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees to reach Palestine and put them in detention camps. Most of the Jews escaped to there illegally against the British rule. The British were allowed Jews to live only in very small and certain undeveloped areas. The Jews literally directly fought against the British rule... The UK didn't even voted for the partition plan, so for an independent Israel? *ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY JEWS. PERIOD.* (As well as minority of Arabs and Druze).

@johnnyboy3410

Жыл бұрын

lel, you can repeat this million times and it wouldn’t make it true

8:50 «Soviet Onion» OmegaLuL

The Madagascar Plan was initially a French idea, as Madagascar island was a French colony back then. In 1930's the French wanted to lease the island to Poland in exchange for Poles managing the whole process of resettlement of european Jews over there, and taking responsibility while co-governing the island later. (It was supposed to be a French-Polish condominium). Poland really wanted to join the club of colonial powers and initially didn't mind taking part in this scheme. But, after visiting the island in 1937, the joint Polish-Jewish expedition concluded that there is absolutely no way that Madagaskar will be the new home for european Jews (rough weather conditions, and the space enough to accommodate max. 5000 settlers), so Poland withdrew from the plan. In January 1939 Bonnet proposed to Ribbentrop that Madagascar Plan will be a joint French-German project. That's how the idea of Madagascar plan was picked up by Nazi Germany... and sadly, only here the article on English wikipedia starts! (June 1940, Germany attacks France in WW2, and plans to take over their colonies, including Madagascar.)

There were also ideas about a jewist state or soviet republic in parts of Galitia, in Northern Moldova, Bucovina, Basarabia and Odessa region in the begining of the 20 th century because of some important jewish communities in some cities(Iași, Botoșani, Cernăuți, Chișinău, Bălți, Odessa, Cotmeni, Secureni, Briceni etc), but due to native romanian majority or plurality(exept for the city of Odessa) that would have been a crime and something Impossible. Also romanian -jewish relations were sometimes tense since the 19 century(social and economic reasons).