Big brain move is speed clicking through quests in game then listening to Pyro explain things in his far more seductive voice.

@mcsmokey9884

8 ай бұрын

Lmao!!! I've been doing the same thing!!

@CyclopsToppingWolverine

8 ай бұрын

Not reading is a big brain move?

@knightflow8040

8 ай бұрын

@@CyclopsToppingWolverine c'mon dude, bro was joking.

@danb6476

7 ай бұрын

This is the way

@tylermcnally8232

5 ай бұрын

​@@knightflow8040 the guy likes cyclops he's 5.

I think that Xal'atath was not entirely wrong, the Titans may not have fully understood how void works, so when they ordered the Naaru they thought that this state would last forever, and yet the Naaru eventually become void beings again. Apart from that, great videos, Pyro, it's great that you're here

Props to the editor for every single video of yours! He/She ALWAYS chooses the perfect fitting music for the lore youre currently exploring. Like in this video theres some themes from the Draenei starting zone back from 2007^^ God those are some of my all time favorite tracks in all of WoWs history. Again big props to the editor, keep it up!

@Penumbra20

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind words! I'm thrilled you enjoy it ❤ - Jay (The Editor)

@FantasyPiano317

8 ай бұрын

@@Penumbra20 i really do and i always pay attention to the music! :) Keep it up man! all the best

Light has struck a bargain with enemy of all. Titans.

I can’t get enough of these

What if the forces on the shadowlands chart are just representations of a cycle of time. It could be showing life and once that life overgrown the world like it was in draenor it blots out the sun and drains the world in a shadowy darkness leading to death. I think it would even help to explain the story of the six forces and the seventh they're the natural progression of the timelines and the eras that follow. Would also explain the long circle and the rings illgynoth talks about and why the void knows the future because they lived the past. The story remains the same only the faces change, the long circle nears completion.

That flickering crystal kinda reminds me of a smaller version of Oshu'gun, from BC. Could be a chunk of a Na'aru ship that crashed into Azeroth ages ago and, like Oshu'gun, has a dying Na'aru inside, trapped, feeding off the occasional soul that wanders too close.

Dude, subbed. Your knowledge and perspective are unmatched in the WoW lore space.

Love these "what if i told you" video series!! :) You bring the best speculation, kudos man! Indeed, i think it's pretty likely that, if you ever went to Zereth Lumen, you'd find it full of Naaru. That's probably where they are assembled. They're constructs.

@Amateracu1991DFFOO

8 ай бұрын

I think he's overreaching sometimes

@desireelane8956

7 ай бұрын

​@@Amateracu1991DFFOO still entertaining to watch and gets you to think.

this is why i like the brokers cosmological map in the grimoire of the shadowlands more, as it shows the order/disorder divide of the forces way more clearly

The way I see the titans making the naaru is kinda like the ashbringer something that already existed filled with nothing but void and they started to blast it with smite and it sucked up all the holy energy turning it into what was used for the weapon

When a mommy naaru & a daddy naaru love eachother very much...

Has blizzard ever confirmed the ashbringer was foeged from thebheart of a dead Naaru? Specifically I beleive from the missing dark star from OG Draenor, that naaru in the original timeline fell completely to the surface of draenor instead of sitting in the atmosphere. The parrels between the sword and the naaru's base functions is litterally 1 to 1. Anything you can say about a naaru is true about the ashbringer

Sounds to me like the Light is "Ordered Void", and so the reason that the Naaru inevitably return to a void state over time is simply due to entropy.

Thank you for these videos Pyro, this makes SO much more sense now. I'm actually hyped to see the expansions come out and show this secretive planning of the titans.

“WHO opposes the titans?!” Ten regular dudes who will turn them into loot piñatas. 😎

Now I want to know how the Zereths fit into all this.

I think the light we see is ordered light. The light of Elune is the closest to the real light since she reflects it to us.

@Boss-ot1iy

8 ай бұрын

Elude, like the Winter Queen are titan constructs

"Light made a pact with enemy of all" that "enemy of all" might be titans, because they don't like how things are left alone to their origin and they shape and change it into "order".

Maybe... but I dont think so... I think the Naaru are like as the Old Gods, they were sharped by their creators: Void Lords and "Blessed Ones" (a wink that I saw when finishing the Dream Quest line; see npc "Glania of the Blessed Ones"). And Order, Death and Light are closed mind, only a true way, the others ways are lies or wrong to them. Disorder, Life and Void are open mind, they see all possibility, they arent fixed to only one way.

The Joshua Weissman of wow lore cooks up another banger of a lore video.

these what if i told you.... vids literally make my day

When you look at our own universe all lights will eventually fade. Illadin refused so they turned to anduin.

That outland music hits the spot

The fact the naaru sing songs is sketchy in the context of Azathoth being kept asleep by music

The freaking naaru even has the voice of Eonar.

@Pyromancer When I read the almost entire comments section and think about them all, this randomly spiked in my mind, what if Titans already succeeded in ordering the ENTIRE cosmos by using Azeroth just like Zovaal tried to do ? From their Zereth Ordus instead of Zereth Mortis you know ? That's maybe why we have all these different cosmic forces in their own layer. ORDERED. Just like how they put elemental lords to their own plane back in the day, but in a bigger scale, that's how they knew what to do about elemental lords maybe ? Using a very small (like a little dent) portion of Azeroth's power instead of cosmic levels to do so. How they also imprisoned old gods. But all ordered existence stands against this "ordering" so that's why their creations try to traverse and/or invade other dimentions. They're looking for an out from their prisons. Odyn not willing to share Zereth Ordus and First Ones information, thinking it's out of the bounds of our intellect and him being an absolute "how dare you defy me?" personality also lines up with this very well. I'm not familiar with all your videos, if you've came up with this before, or anyone else, sorry in advance.

If youre right about this i don't think Sargeras has been reordered just yet, not completely. Remember what you mentioned about the crown of wills, the new crown of domination, it's forged from LIGHT and the will of those who OVERCAME DOMINATION, forged by a member of the DEATH pantheon. I think Amanthul might have tried to dominate Sargeras but failed and that's what turned him against the pantheon and now the Primas has created the perfect item to get Sargeras to submit.

@bamsbeyrek9728

8 ай бұрын

I don't think they're in cahoots, I think Primus is after the entire universe on his own as well. Primus' ribbons and Sargeras' ribbons matching tells me that Primus is controlling Sargeras for a long time. Warrior death pantheon member controlling warrior titan pantheon member has a nice symmetry to it.

@ryanscanlon2151

8 ай бұрын

@@bamsbeyrek9728 that's an interesting thought too but I dunno, Sargeras feels too independent to me. Although a third option is Amanthul was playing 4d chess and let Sargeras kill himself in the Pantheon as a feint to convince the legion to follow Sargeras. To prove that he was one of them by killing the order pantheon, knowing they could be revived later

@Boss-ot1iy

8 ай бұрын

​@@bamsbeyrek9728The titans are so far above the eternal ones it's laughable to even think that the eternal ones could control a titan (first one). The primus and the rest of them are constructs. We know the titans are actual world souls and aren't constructs. We know the titan keepers are constructs too. This isn't hard to understand. The titans are the top dogs and there's nothing to refute that unless Blizzard states otherwise. Which they haven't

@bamsbeyrek9728

8 ай бұрын

​@@Boss-ot1iy Trying to put me on blast huh ? "laughable" "we know this, we know that" "this isn't hard to understand." "there's nothing to refute..." Keep your misdirected and stupidly wrong anger in check. Didn't Ion say right of the bat that Zovaal is a Titan++ threat ? Didn't that construct Primus dominate that titan++ threat for eons in his prison (Maw) until he somehow started resisting and using it for his own gains ? Everything you said was baseless trash, I'm just sending them right back where you brought them. Next time, fact check what you're saying instead of choosing a bulllying assault to assert your dominance.

@Boss-ot1iy

8 ай бұрын

@bamsbeyrek9728 Odyn refers to himself as a Titan. You guys have falsely believed for years that a Titan fell in battle against an Old God because an old book said so. Titan Keepers have always been known as titans, the community just wasn't smart enough to understand that. As I said, Odyn refers to himself as a Titan in the fight against him in the dungeon "The Halls of Valor." His words "witness the power of a titan." So, Ion isn't wrong when he says Zovaal is titan++. Not my fault the community can't comprehend basic english. Do you play the game?

Damn, I didn’t want this video to end!!

order magioc IS domination magic! control magics can be used/fused with ALL magics (think of the elementals being chained and commanded using their respective elements). burning crusade is fel order, naaru are light order etc etcetc

Pyro there is a strange thing maybe you would like to see... Last summer hearthstone has an expansion (I know, I know its hearthstone. But Even OG HS characters were implanted on WoW too. like ""Rafaam the supreme archaeologist". And Galakronds Elemental backround cards were super interesting for lore reasons too). It was named TITANS and every single Pantheon member have their respected cards. And there was an expansion pack for TITANS named "The Fall of Ulduar ". In HS legendries tends to have cool animations when they enter battlefield. Please look at Eonar's entrance. It has something quite interesting. The similar seals around Iridikron were all around Eonar and life burst out from the card when she enters battlefield. It is SOOO bizarre.

What if that crystal in Hallowfall is An'she's wounded heart? And its because of that it flickers in that vision when we see it turn purple. Maybe Titans used it as template to create Naaru. So going from this it could be explained why all Naaru by their nature are destined to turn to Void. They are made from that tainted crystal that was touched by Shadows/Void. That could also explain why we see only Elune doing limited stuff but An'she does nothing. Elune can't do much except in special occasions because she is focused on healing An'she, and An'she is passive because its missing his heart. From battle with Shadows its heart was removed and fell on Azeroths surface. Thats why it was mentioned in Tauren Myth that as last act Azeroth laid down to keep Shadows buried deep, meaning not Old Gods, but An'shes heart that will in time turn to Void/Shadow and maybe change to An'Shuul.

counter argument pyromancer, the titans understand void to a point i feel like if they fully understood the void, the naaru would never go back to void

Yo Pyro!! Soulbinder Tuulani!! She's the missing piece! Dig into it! I swear!

Remember too that Maldraxxus/Primus were spying on the demons in the Shadowlands Afterlives…..

Id like to think naaru were void experiments aswell. And the only reason i say this is because everytime we see a naaru turn void they have a name, for instance muru in sunwell. Muru was the name they had before they were morphed into a naaru. And the reason some naaru seem to change quicker is because of what level of order was inflicted upon them. Thats why someone like the lightmother who is one of the primes will never go back to void is her literal closeness to the titans.

Technically, the void is also servitude. If you take a look at the timerifts.. they were sacrificing mortals to the old god who had consumed the other ones. Those mortals didnt want to be according to the view point of the person who was sacrificing them.

"Lost bretheren to the void" duuh

I YAM MY SCARS! I love Illidan lol. When he nuked X'era, that was just epic af. Will never forget that scene. Once again, I YAM MY SCARS! Lol

The last time I was here ...the titans used to be called the makers🤣

Azeroth is a Sealed Prison that the Gods fear when unleashed

I actually think that the crystal in the war within is not EXACTLY a Na'aru, but rather the source of all Na'aru. By that I mean, that the crystal itself, the substance, mineral, whatever you wanna call it, is from what the Titans Ordered the Na'aru. This one not getting ordered by them because it was safeguarded inside Azeroth for eons. The Titans found this... Thing, that could shift both between light and void, in a constant state of flux and found that, with a bit of prodding from their orderly powers they could make it so it attained consciousness and became a being of pure light (or void, depending on their desires) at thecost of siphoning energy ou of the prime source of all light or by absorving it from others.

God I love this channel

Oooh buckling up!

please do the whispers of ilganoth again with all of thesse new theories :D

Maaan I feel like I need to write this under each one of your videos but... I am so glad you are back xD I've been thinking all this time what is it about Shadowlands and BFA lore that people dislike.... Like it all makes so much sense to me. I am glad you're back to shepard the herd and show them the real story behind what they thought they were seeing. EDIT: Just saw a comment from your stream "You have the same energy as Christ Metzen when you talk" YES THIS SO MUCH. Man would be so amazing to have Pyro interview Metzen!!!!

Around 10 minutes in you talk about having thought the Eredar knew of the naaru long before they showed up on Argus - this is kinda true. The Eredar had the atam'al crystals for so long they forgot what they were, and they are naaru technology/pieces. It was one of these that were used to call the naaru - so I don't think they were created specifically to save the Eredar. I think the naaru helped the Eredar found their civilisation (which in the War of the Clans book is said to be the third great civilisation of Argus)

I've watched this video before, but I wanted to come back to it while thinking about it. In Exile's Reach, the intro zone we got with Shadowlands, we meet a "Lightspawn" which has been trapped by the Ogres. Unlike the Naaru this lightspawn has a more conventional water/fire elemental model, with a "light" texture, and when it disappears, seemingly back to the "realm of light" it uses the Vindicaar "light teleporter" animation. Not sure if it means anything in the long run(not much from that zone did), but I'm curious about your thoughts.

Idk even if the titans are on the precipice of victory, I think their war with the other forces has left them drastically weakened. And that’s part of why we haven’t really heard from them since the end of legion.

I believe you're so right about who "The enemy of all" are that the light has made a bargain with. I think the order artifact that Deathwing used to control the Drakthyr is a type of domination magic. That the Primus knows domination magic isn't strange since he's allied with the Titans. (I don't think he's is the true creator of domination magic, the Titans are)

31:01 That is Vindicaar porting us (raiders) in, doesn't come from Seat of the Pantheon. Also, remember Khadgar saying us that he read in a book in the Karazhan that "Elune" created the first Naaru. Unless you somehow think Elune is Eonar, Eonar didn't create the Naaru. We know Elune and Winter Queen are sisters. Eonar is a titan that is influenced by the life. I remember from somewhere it's been clarified that Eonar and Elune aren't the one and the same. By the way, I love how they(blizzard) don't remember what they said or what they released in game in a long time span and spin it like "titans lied, void lied, death lied, life lied, light lied". STFU blizz, you lied! 🤣

i really love your lore videos and your Eonar one I watched today got me thinking, so I went into ulduar. a titan built facility. so why are the stained glass murals are of a NEPTUNE looking man, a woman, and two babies? I posit: Neptulon, before he was an elemental lord, was King of the Sea. His wife, the other mural, or...Azeroth's soul but essentially, earth??? (she looks more plant than mermaid) and the "seeds" around her look more like the nightmare. then you have the babies. one with a fin playing with seeds, the other whose fin is GONE and it's hand it up towards the light. two babies. the sun and the moon. an'she and mu'sha. Neptulon fought the titans to save his wife, Azeroth, and to protect his children. And that Xal'atath is the nightmare version of Azeroth. it's why she couldn't be imprisoned when the Titans jailed the old gods. she's not a physical entity in that respect. she's an actual nightmare. cause Blizzard is doing this duality thing, and if you think about "two sides of the same coin" sort of thing?

if the order/light connection is a thing, everything pretty much falls into place i think

I think the Titans know how the void works to a degree that they can create naruu but they don't fully aee the grand picture. Kinda like how people in the past knew how babies were made but had no clue about insemination.

Imo there is no way in hell Illidan wasn't thrown into a prison moments after we left. I don't see the Titans allowing a mortal, nethermind one infused with Fel to jail their greatest enemy, or even be allowed to stay on their presence.

Damn, looking back at that pre-Argus fight cinematic really just hit it home for me with the context that World Souls aren't Titans by nature. They Ordered him right then and there to turn him into something to fight. Not to mention that prior to taking their "Titan" forms, they look exactly like constellars. Does that mean, then, that the other constellar(s) that we know of are also Ordered World Souls that are just less powerful than the Titans... or maybe the Titans are constellars that consumed a World Soul to gain more power?

@tristangreen2788

8 ай бұрын

I REALLY want to know what happened to make Aman'Thul now, because if he was the first Titan, then who (or what) Ordered him?

@Boss-ot1iy

8 ай бұрын

​@@tristangreen2788He's a first one dude lol. It isn't hard to figure out

I would like to point everyone towards the story of how the Ashbringer was created. Blizzard even came back to this motif with one of the priest artifacts.

man i really missed these videos since shadowlands

So Pyro, what are your thoughts on Yrel and her light forge army over in AU dranor? I don’t think that portal was ever closed, not to mention Turalyon building and growing in power, or Calia’s bind with the light now? Look at all of these forces that are growing around us in the guise of Allie’s and friends. Tbh I see this storyline coming to fruition in midnight. Midnight isn’t so much a void envision, but an abandonment of the light and the lights crusade across Azeroth. They will lay down the welcome mat for the pantheon… only to be surprised that we’re still kicking come the last titan. Tbh, I wouldn’t be surprised if we find a way to harness the true light rather than the abomination that we currently call the light.

@adamlis6926

8 ай бұрын

"The Crown of light brings only darkness" ;)

Bro is cooking

Dude can't wait for new lore to be revealed in next expansion

Bro! I was literally trying to research the Naru and their light runes and compare them to domination runes. I kept getting stumped, but I felt the naru were an unnatural construct confining the raging fire of the light. A conduit that is designed to bend and mold the light to the titans will. Also, I maybe stretching here, but I felt Andun’s healing from the bfa cinematic felt very reminiscent of what I seen of Azeroth when she was saying “hear me!” The spherical aura felt very akin to one another. Take away the other colors on Azeroths sphere, which has 3 colors due to the influence and control the titans have imposed on her caused her aura to fluctuate with the 3 different auras layers on top of her. This is a prison, it’s all a prison. Also, I think it’s interesting that Shalamayne has essentially a holy flame at its cross guard. Not a focused condensed into controlled holy energy.

Imagine if Illidan know all this and he tried to imprison all the titans

Pyro uploads a wow lore video. I watch. Simple as that.

If the void see's Anduin as the one who understands the domineering power of Order, why do they call Sylvanas the most dangerous and try to get her sister to kill her when she also acutely understands the same thing?

this whole series sounds like Flat Earth talk, but I love it :D

I have a bad feeling, which may have some truth in it, that what the Titans are currently doing to Sargeras is Lightforging him. Over the years, there have been texts by characters that "in the light we are one", as well as the idea that the light is singleminded, has one goal and a vision of the future. In the quest that unlocks eredar customization, we meet eredar loyal to Sargeras who claim to communicate with him through the artifact. During the quest, we learn that the artifact is the shard of Ata'mal crystal, the same one that comes from the Naaru. What if these Man'ari eredar weren't lying and heard the voice of Lightforged Sargeras?!

Alright... so we got the cosmology chart. Now.. repaint it with you theory. I accept MS paint

@Wintercloak

8 ай бұрын

Also... The cosmo chart you show at around 20:00. Compare that to the one from the Chronicles. And yes, not to feed your hype... but shit be overlapping.

Pyro, do you think Illidin is in danger? I think it’s curious that sargaras is shown as a burning bright being with fire erupting from his skin. Which makes me feel he was originally a titan of light and void, but Amanthul had already subjected him to domination from his birth, but due to the very nature of light and void flip flopping, he has been a very uncontrollable force. Illidin is the chosen of the light by “prophesy” a being who channels the chaos kinda like Sargaras, heck they even have a similar body type. I’m feeling Sargaras will be decommissioned and Illidin will be dominated in his place and being forced into being a light forged creation like xe’ra intended. We could lose Illidin just like we did with Anduin and have to deal with him as their commander of there army. We may free him, we may kill him, but I don’t think Illidin safe. Especially since the seat of the pantheon has domination runes etched all around their seats on the floor. The titans had domination magic right in front of us and we thought nothing of it….

Who's to say that Titans weren't the ones being ordered in the first place. Question is who would initiate that...

I 100% agree with this. So the enemy of All are the Titans/order and they are in League with the light and the Titans even Made the Naaru. Makes perfect sense. The only thing I disagree with, is that I think the Void Lords are the Eternal Ones of Void/Pantheon of Void and the Naaru, not even the Prime Naaru are equal in Power. I know that Illidan is very powerful, but he killed Xe'ra no diff

Nice video. Does season of mastery have any new lore? o.0. I just started last night.

It could possible that the Titans Ordered the Light.

What if the Naruu arnt Ordered Void Lords, but ordered Old Gods? I just feel like the Void Lords wouldnt even be able to enteract with the Titans. They just always send others to do things for them instead of doing it themselves.. cuz they cant lol which could explain the Titans experimenting with Old Gods

dudeeeee the light is an enemy

could the battery theory also explain why the Exodar is purple? could have been a bright lighting crystal ship when it arrived but overtime loses energy and turns back into entropy.

I feel like I remember something either said or in a found book in game, that someone felt the Naaru and Elune were the same? Maybe I’m crazy. So would all gods of mortals be titan made?

The titans made the chandeliers. Not that surprised.

What if I told you...the Naaru are children (creations, if you want) of An’she)

Can we get an audio only podcast of this show?

I think at some point in the past before the grate ordering of cosmos. There was a battle between cosmic forces . The tirans won. Ordered every other comic force and the rewrote history . They are actually the first ones

I wonder if the letters above Xy'ra are First Ones Cypher characters.

Damnit! I hate how much I like all of this, and am gonna be super disappointed if some of this shit isnt true.

To me, the runes on Xe'ra look more like the alphabet of the First Ones. Here's a quick theory that I thought about yesterday, and after mewling it over for a bit, it could be possible. What if the Light and Death struck some sort of bargain, both being forces of Order in their own fucked up ways. Zereth Mortis, as much as I hate that place to even exist, has some very interesting things about it. For example, the machines that are within that realm, and their own magic, looks a lot like Order magic and to some extend even a bit like Light. It's a very bizarre appearance for magic to manifest. When you look at the Cosmic magic used in Zereth Mortis, I almost get the feeling as if the power itself is a form of creation and Order. We know there is a Naaru in the Shadowlands, or was. We freed her in Revendreth. My theory is that the Light sent the Naaru to the realm of Death, because of the Void. The Void infiltrates the Shadowlands, and (presumably) gets captured and intercepted by Sire Denathrius, who may have already been working with Zovaal at that point in time of it happening, we don't know the exact timeline of these events occurring as far as I am aware. The constructs in Zereth Mortis are very much programmed to follow a strict routine and some kind of edict of sorts, just doing the one thing they were forged to do, almost feeling identical to the Titanforged in a way. They're just constructs, following their edicts with little to no question whether or not it is the right thing to do. It almost feels as though these three orderly forces have taken inspiration from one another. This begs the question if Zereth Ordis, the place where Titans most likely came from, is similar to Zereth Mortis in terms of structure. You make constructs that obey, are fully in your control, and would go to the absolute extreme with no question. Considering they're soulless machines, nothing more.

@bamsbeyrek9728

8 ай бұрын

Remember, there isn't just one Zereth. There's zereth Ordus, umbra etc. 6 of them. First Ones created uni-machine worlds that would balance each other in their absence. I don't think First Ones are even in the light, void, death dimention-layered multiverse that we're in, I think they're bystanders eating popcorn looking at their creation and that's that. In my opinion, all layers of the universe are trying to be triumphant over all others. And that is why blizzard are willing to sacrifice their titan storyline with last titan. Because there's like 5 more of them to release. About programmed pantheon members of the dead, remember there's a whole soul section in Zereth Mortis to imbue the machinery that are created there. For some unknown stupid reason, instead of picking another soul from there after the first attempt is failed by the shadow of Argus, Pelagos steps up and gets to be the arbiter. The programming part: I think those body-machines has their own memory serving as data-centers for the souls they're gonna get. But that doesn't mean those souls has their own will and personality, and when what they think they know contradicts with what they're experiencing, they might go their seperate ways like Denathrius and Zovaal, and maybe Primus for instance, but remember, Kyrian leader and Winter Queen are both duty ladies. Because of their loyal personality is underlined more than anything, they're the least questioning types and they had to be urged(forced) to question things by what they've encountered.

@bearlicious3270

8 ай бұрын

6 Zereth realms, yeah. I know. :D@@bamsbeyrek9728

@Boss-ot1iy

8 ай бұрын

Zereth Ordus is where the titans made the keepers. That's why the keepers are constructs just like the eternal ones

@bamsbeyrek9728

8 ай бұрын

​@@Boss-ot1iy How is a creature like Elune is Winter Queen's sister? Why is there " titan "cores" " all around Korthia, where we find out clues about Zereths, which have, in fact, universe changing machineries? At the top of the Sepulcher of the First Ones, Zovaal uses domination on the machinery there to connect to all other Zereths to change the entire universe. They're not gonna build pitiful watchers and keepers in Zereths, those places are not for them. Simple facilities that titans created on Azeroth are more than enough to reforge keeper Tyr's butt. You're comparing apple seed to an actual grown matured apple and you don't even see it.

@Boss-ot1iy

8 ай бұрын

@bamsbeyrek9728 There is no universe changing machinery. You said it yourself: zereth mortis connects to other zereths. It's really the Selpucher that does. You clearly have no idea wth you're talking about. Titans are confirmed world souls. Actual living organisms that aren't constructs. Winter Queen is a construct, Odyn is a construct, and Elune is most likely a construct since she and Winter Queen are sisters. Titans are the first ones, and the eternal ones are for death, Titan keepers are for order, elune, and whoever else are those for life. Naaru are light, and whoever the supposed fel lords are are for fel. There is a massive power difference between titans and the eternal ones, naaru, etc. We see that first hand. Can't remember the one girls name that flipped to the forsworn, but she was able to hurt the Archon (an eternal one), and so was Anduin. Even if Anduin was slightly more powerful than Arthas, neither of them, even together, would ever pose a threat to a titan/first one. Illidan was a threat to the prime naaru. See the picture. I'd love to see Illidan beat Sargeras. Eternal ones (constructs) were made in Zereth Mortis. Titan Keepers (constructs) were clearly made on Zereth Ordus. The titans that we know of are the first ones and are clearly vastly superior to anything else.

Yo what if Elune has like 2 states of being she switches between. Moonlight phase, like silver ghostly type of light. Then a Shadow or Void phase.

Starting to understand all that... Remember muru. Turning into antropius on death. How does that fit in there?

The naaru on their light form are ordered or remodeled by the titans I agree but the origin of the naaru are from the void tbh.

So Sargeras used the sword to open up Azeroths prison?

What if SV Hunters got the love they deserved from Blizzard? Now THAT is a story line.

Xal'Atath throw dark Naaru into Sunwell -> Midnight

Light and Void from what we know is not that different from each other.

@3rdPartyIntervener

8 ай бұрын

the light hurts your eyes when you try to look at it. the void hurts your mind when you try to look at it.

finding Eonar responsible for creating the Naaru makes sense, specially when you tie it to the fact that Elune and Anshe are her "children". enlighten me but wasn't assumed that Elune was the one who created the prime naaru? Elune herself is a diety of balance - in a sense - hence her power healing and damaging Tyrande constantly. very similar to the naaru. they have 2 sides so does elune. so yes. when you look at the root of it all... it's EONAR.

I would love it if the Titans usurped the First Ones which gave them a headstart over all other schools of magic and ordered the cosmos. And they're actually the bad guys.

@jtowensbyiii6018

8 ай бұрын

This is basically whats been hinted at in every expansion the game has ever had

Entropy will eventually win, no matter what.

Also, why aren’t we talking about the runes of domination in the seat of the pantheon?

Wait, wait! What if the naruu are ordered light. Natural light is made from chaotic combustion. I like the idea that they are ordered void but it makes more sense that they are ordered flame. sargerous is a flaming titan (not fel). the naruu work so well against the fel due to them being the original chaos leaders?😅😅

@pyromancer How possible is it that the first ones eventually became titans and then later split into 2 factions. some becoming void and some becoming light. or three factions, like, void and order? Each side trying to force their views on the universe?

Completely different side note, I thought it would be interesting to point out how in Battle for Azeroth, the outfit that Tyrande is wearing before she turns into the Night Warrior very clearly has runes engraved into the cloth, and, her eyes are domination blue

I feel bad playing a paladin right now.. :P

How many other wow nerds have figured out that this mirrors real life? Wow is a direct mirror to life on earth. Pay attention