Leave a comment on who YOU think will win and why? Remember - NO Super Saiyan 2!

@SpammytheHedgehog

2 жыл бұрын

Son Gohan

@garysnyder6414

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it should end similar to kid goku vs Jackie Chung aka master Roshie.they are about the same as power level it should come down to ki use and techniques.

@DB-Fighter-Carson

2 жыл бұрын

So wait why are they fighting? Gohan mad at goku for parenting reasons?

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@garysnyder6414 same power level? Pffft

@Luro_fu

2 жыл бұрын

@@DB-Fighter-Carson well probably because cell is the referee of the cell games and the match is goku vs gohan Like U6 Tournament Arc

I missed the premiere. Shameful. Thanks for having me on!

@calebnj4694

2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, you arrived at the perfect time.

@calvinkopp1735

2 жыл бұрын

You and Carthu need to collab at the very least once to satisfy us:)

@Sword_Man_YT

2 жыл бұрын

How could you Salad… lol

@sladewarrior5562

2 жыл бұрын

you sound different. I actually like it. :)

@emmanuelbrunson2152

2 жыл бұрын

Do a collaboration

I'm surprised people think Goku was just lying about not being able to beat Cell. Even in the anime, he has that moment where after he tells everyone he doesn't think he can beat him and they tell him maybe he should go back on the chamber, he instead spends the days leading up to the Cell Games just spending time with his family. Goku of all people. To me it made it pretty clear that Goku was making the most of what time they had left in the event that Gohan wasn't able to pull through on his plan because he knew he couldn't win.

@chiefbawor_thegr8966

2 жыл бұрын

I think they goes by the scene of Goku's Warp Kamehameha where it destroys a good chunk of Cell's body (before you know, the unnecessary Nucleus thing)

@Last_Respecter

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he def was not lying. Cell detected towards the end of their fight that Goku wasn’t holding back anymore. The instant kamehameha was full power too. However, we know Cell was holding back Vs Goku still, he doesn’t power up fully till Gohan goes SSJ 2 Also rest and recovery is a major part of Goku’s training philosophy. He mentions that spending more time in the HTC won’t make him stronger anymore for now. It’s just unnecessary stress on the body after a certain point, teasing Vegeta when Vegeta says Goku is pussying out of more training 1-2 days before the cell games.

@esthetics4512

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarpo64 yep

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarpo64 do you honestly think Goku didn't want to beat Cell if he could? Goku hit a plateau, one he didn't believe he could break even with another year of painstaking training.

@jarpo64

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 obviously not, i said he backed down because he knew gohan could go super saiyan 2

"Stand back, Cell. I'll get this boy to bring out his hidden power. Piccolo, hand me your belt"

@veljkokravic15

3 ай бұрын

that will just give cell PTSD 🤣

Gohan was already significantly stronger than Goku in SSJ... Gohan thought Goku was holding back against Cell because Gohan was scaling Goku to himself... this would be an easy win for Gohan 💯 It would be very similar to Goku vs Cell

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

I like to compare it to Goku vs Radditz

@nlc2566

2 жыл бұрын

In this case I see no way gohan looses but if gohan went into a fight blind with goku it can go either way honestly. But since goku and gohan trained and fought each other for an entire year gohan would beat goku here mid diff

@Jiron127

2 жыл бұрын

You mean barely. The manga clearly just mentioned that in the video lol. Cell started fighting Gohan at the level he was equal with goku. Once realizing Gohan was faster than Goku's level. He increased his speed to the same level he did. When he started gaining the advantage over goku. Gohan was overwhelmed in a similar fashion to goku. If fpssj goku = 21.5, fpssj gohan = 22.5. cell using increased speed, probably a 25. Full power cell = 30. Keep in mind, ss2 is only a 2x's multiplier. Ss2 gohan = 45. Spc = 42 to 45

@noire.blackheart

2 жыл бұрын

What's up with all this misinformation about Gohan's SSJ2 not being obtained until he meets Cell? He unlocked SSJ2 in the hyperbolic time chamber already which is why Goku was so cocky about him defeating Cell.

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@noire.blackheart Goku knew that Gohan had SS2 in his pocket yes, but Gohan did have enough power to defeat Perfect Cell even without it. He just lacked the Will

I always thought it was obvious with how blatant the story was that Gohan in the Cell Saga was stronger than Goku even without SSJ2. He literally saw his dad fight at full power and Gohan was genuinely unimpressed by it because he was using himself as a reference

@michaelq4965

Жыл бұрын

This goes against all training logic in the DBZ universe. In order to get stronger, you have to struggle and push yourself. How can Gohan just naturally surpass Goku while only pushing himself at Goku's level in the time chamber? Some amount of natural potential sure, could explain Gohan being slightly stronger. But to be overwhelmingly stronger, nah it doesn't make sense unless Gohan did extra training without Goku which Gohan has really never ever done in his life.

@123GOHANZ

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelq4965 It’s not just “some amount of natural potential” that Gohan possesses, it’s _a lot._ He’s a fighting prodigy that has been consistently stated to have far greater potential than other fighters with prodigal talent like Goku or Vegeta. Literally after being amped by God Ki, an energy source that drastically increases a users strength compared to ordinary ki, both of them and Piccolo acknowledge Gohan’s potential _still_ surpasses theirs. Like, I can not put into words how utterly broken it is especially now with what we’ve seen in Dragon Ball Super. And who’s to say he only pushed himself at Goku’s level? We know in the anime they sparred against each other, but at the same time we can see Gohan training all on his lonesome just so he could push himself harder. Then there’s the fact that the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is an extremely hostile place to point where it can be physically and mentally taxing just being there. All of this plus his natural talent makes it completely possible for him to be that far ahead.

@michaelq4965

Жыл бұрын

@@123GOHANZ Like Piccolo's comments in Super are almost purely fan service. It is a What If that will never happen just to make fans happy. I am not sure if you mean Goku and Vegeta said it. How do I know Gohan only pushed himself at Goku's level? Because even after the entire Cell arc Gohan still thinks Goku is stronger than he is. If Gohan was fighting at his best like you guys say, then he'd be pushing Goku and winning but for some reason he still thinks Goku is much stronger than he is. I'm not saying Gohan can't be stronger than Goku and win in the time chamber, but if the gap was that massive, Gohan would have had to pick up on it.

@123GOHANZ

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelq4965 Piccolo’s statement would be fanservice if it wasn’t for the fact that Goku and Vegeta acknowledged it as well. Prior to the Tournament of Destroyers Vegeta suggested Gohan come along and outright says “Why not Gohan? Certainly you realize your son has the most latent ability of all the fighters we know.” To which Goku agrees with, however, he also states that Gohan’s retirement made him rusty making him unfit for the tournament so they opt to bring Piccolo instead. Remember, they made this statement _after_ training with Whis and learning to use God Ki. Their potential should’ve sky rocketed since then and yet they believe his potential still surpasses their own. I will admit it doesn’t make a little sense that he still thinks Goku is still stronger than himself but at the same time Carthu did point out that Gohan puts Goku on a pedestal. It’s to the point where even though Gohan gets to sense Goku’s power he still thinks his dad is holding back. We can argue whether or not he trained as hard, if not harder, than Goku but it doesn’t change the fact that he was just that far ahead but genuinely thought so highly of Goku that Gohan believed he was weaker.

@dreemurrprince

8 ай бұрын

@@michaelq4965Gohan DID pick up on it, but he was in denial. Goku’s half power showcase against korin BAFFLED gohan, he couldnt possibly comprehend how much stronger than goku he ACTUALLY was. Likewise, the battle with Goku Vs Cell didnt impress gohan at all, implying that he was sure Goku and Cell were toying around despite Goku going ALL OUT. All things considered, he’s AWARE of the gap, but his self doubt limits his understanding and just makes him think Goku is lying when we KNOW he isnt because of his injuries vs cell and having no energy left, and having no reason to lie to korin.

Gohan gets the W. Goku and cell both mention that I believe and Gohan thought that Goku was only warming up in his fight against cell.

@najeebshah.

2 жыл бұрын

Ah no Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

@sashanksriram8942

2 жыл бұрын

@@najeebshah. not really. Goku was going all out against cell and gohan had no trouble keeping up with him so much so that he thought goku was holding back.

@SaiyanMotion

2 жыл бұрын

@@najeebshah. cell got a senzu bean and went all out on gohan because he wanted to unlock his hidden power

@shapedlike____7305

2 жыл бұрын

@@najeebshah. Gohan initially performed worse against Cell because he didn't want to fight or kill Cell, not because Goku has more skill.

@randomguy1401

2 жыл бұрын

@@sashanksriram8942 Cell wasn't going all out

As soon as Gohan believes in himself and goes all out, this is a stomp. The challenge is for Goku to get him to that point

@gaspenpayne6755

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, the challenge is gohan trying to finish goku fast, because if he doesn't finish goku fast enough goku will learn how to turn ssj2.

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaspenpayne6755 if Goku was able to learn SS2 at that time he would have. The one Goku saw the potential to beat Cell in wasn't himself.

@gaspenpayne6755

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 he can learn ssj2 at that point if sees gohan go ssj2, he can copy him. The only reason goku hasn't gone ssj2 yet is because he doesn't know how to go ssj2, back in the time chamber he's been thinking ways to go beyond super saiyan but he can't come up with anything.

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaspenpayne6755 first, Goku almost certainly doesn't have the power threshold to break open SSJ2 yet. Second- assuming he managed to get Gohan to go all out- he wouldn't get the chance to see it because he gets overpowered by FPSSJ Gohan

@gaspenpayne6755

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 you seriously think someone like goku who's always battling way way stronger opponents than him will immediately get overpowered by a slightyly more powerful gohan?

So is this basically what if the cell games was an actual tournament?

@CarthusDojo

2 жыл бұрын

yep!

In the Anime they make that even more clear by having King Kai say Gohan when he _initially_ powered up was stronger than Goku. Even with the skill/experience gap Gohan would definitely whoop Goku. Hell, even if Goku ate a Senzu Bean after Cell's fight I still think Gohan wins.

That "Special Guest" at the end was hilarious

I want to say it's Gohan because if we're not counting Super Saiyan 2 in story-wise I think he wins but I don't know if Goku is going to hold back

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

The real problem is Gohan not believing he can win. Goku literally can't beat Super Saiyan Grade 4 Gohan at this point in the story. There's too much power gap to make up with his skill superiority. Gohan is a monster

@reynoldnjoku9735

2 жыл бұрын

The only way goku would beat gohan is by killing him with an instant kamehameha. And goku wouldn’t kill gohan. Yes goku is more of a genius when it comes to gohan by far his techniques are beyond better too but that’s not enough to beat gohan

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@reynoldnjoku9735 instant Kamehameha worked on a suppressed Cell. It's absolutely not going to work on an all-out Gohan lol. But yeah, if Goku gets him before the kid can properly align himself and his mental state, he could get a blitz kill

@fadjabarry2022

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 It depends if Gohan believes that he can win or not

@Jiron127

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 it's not that big a gap lol. It was rather questionable if he was stronger? He was, but it was tough to tell. Secondly gohan doesn't have the drive goku does. Hence why cell easily beat down fpssj gohan. Initially cell battled fpssj gohan at the level he was even in speed/power with goku. Cell then increased his speed. Which tired goku out. Cell needed it to catch the quicker than goku, gohan. That's the only evidence gohan > goku. If goku is a 21.5, gohan is 22.5. In all, goku would win.

I’m curious what if you do “What if people know who the Z fighters are?” It probably doesn’t effect much of the story but I’d still like to see what you come up with if you did do this

@ck0375

2 жыл бұрын

They kinda are because of the reporter in the cell games

@brownie6452

2 жыл бұрын

Man, I love the idea, it would probably have a great effect if you take in consideration Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, superhumans that are martial artists( Who could become masters and teach peoole like in Dragon Ball Online and Tien in SUPER) or even Goku as the winner of the tournament and student of Roshi ( Big name in martial arts). And knowing the love for hercule and even obsession with him, I'm sure it would change a lot, specially if Goku makes money by winning tournaments, Chichi would not be so problematic with Gohan and in fact she would probably make him train so he can keep winning tournaments after his father "retires", and keep the money and fame Goku would have in the place of Hercule. You had a great idea man, congratulations, I hope he sees this or even another what-if youtuber, I really want to see one like this.

@bloop364

2 жыл бұрын

@@ck0375 I think more like what if the world saw Gohan beat cell like the camera never broke so they had more to go off of than just Hercule saying I won I'm the champ

@mishtamoose8308

2 жыл бұрын

@@ck0375 They know of their existence, but they don't know how strong they are. If they did, they wouldn't worship Mr.Satan as much

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@mishtamoose8308 as far as they know, in their darkest hour the one who saved them was Satan, not them. Unless his reputation was simultaneously dragged through the mud, their strength wouldn't diminish him by much. He's the one who got it done when they were down bad

What if Granola was sent to Earth, What if Gohan drank the Ultra Divine Water before or after entering the Time Chamber with Goku, What if Goku was the first "evolved" Saiyan (like the Universe 6 Saiyan's who are born without a tail and have more potential), What if Kami regained his youth when King Piccolo did, What if Goku had focused on himself in the time chamber instead of Gohan, What if when Elder Kai unleashed Gohan's potential he also turned Gohan into a Apprentice Kai, What if Goku Black got amnesia and turned good.

@crablicker7155

2 жыл бұрын

I like most of these ideas,although goku black has been covered to death by many people

@bensoncheung2801

2 жыл бұрын

"evolved"... LEAN GOKU!!! (even leaner that god)

@CerealExperimentsMizuki

2 жыл бұрын

The first one would actually be pretty good if written well but all the rest aren't very interesting, although the one where Goku trains himself instead of Gohan would just be funny and stupid as it goes against what he went in there for.

@renitsukishe8740

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki bruh. the evolve part was interesting. like imagine being the first catalyst of your once own former race cause you evolve to be a better version of it. evolve saiyans are better cause. freaking caulifla was still able to box out goku's super saiyan 1-3 even though she just recently unlocks super saiyan 1-2. meanwhile goku has tried perfecting it for years.

@blakguyfromfortnite9340

2 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure the ultra divine water was just tap water

I can imagine Gohan taking his frustrations out on Goku in this fight. Also, Gohan has a greater potential.

@najeebshah.

2 жыл бұрын

Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

@nayan.punekar

2 жыл бұрын

@@najeebshah. well till he turned ssj2

@Luro_fu

2 жыл бұрын

@@nayan.punekar Carthu said no ssj2

@williamgolston5399

2 жыл бұрын

Don't buy into the "greater potential" nonsense. Until he does it, it will always be "potential."

@ameerkhan3257

2 жыл бұрын

@@najeebshah. only because gohan didnt want to fight cell. Gohan would have no trouble fighting goku

Gohan was stated to be stronger then Goku However experience and technique might be a factor… but also…. Goku would just quit…. He would still make gohan fight cell

@michellegibson5798

2 жыл бұрын

Gohan's power lvl was too much out of Goku's range for technique to matter. The same Speed Cell used against Goku was too slow to touch Gohan who was reluctant to fight. If Gohan fights to win he'd probably mid diff Goku.

@randumo24

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, the end of the video literally debunked why experience & technique wouldn't matter in this particular fight. Goku and Gohan just got done training together for nearly a year straight 1 on 1 every day for entire days outside of eating & sleeping. Gohan knows everything Goku can do at this point in the series. If there is any matchup where power matters most at this point, it is Goku vs Gohan.

@vulgrim909

2 жыл бұрын

@@michellegibson5798 But Gohan doesnt even know his own power thats why he was getting beaten and if Goku really went all out and used instant transmission kamehameha Gohan would be done for, Goku in all honesty should have been able to kill Cell has he blew his head off with the power of that kamehameha

@vulgrim909

2 жыл бұрын

@@randumo24 No he doesnt Gohan didnt pick up on everything Goku knows Gohan only trained with Goku bc he thought he was helping Goku to be stronger he doesn't know his own power which Goku could easily use that against him and while were on that subject toryiama litetally wrote Gohan to be stronger at the last second thats why theres an inconsistency with Goku blowing Cells head off.

@michellegibson5798

2 жыл бұрын

@@vulgrim909 that was a nerfed Cell to the point he was Goku's equal. Cell was only at about 50% of his power. Gohan was as strong as Cell at around 75%. Gohan was decently stronger than Goku but lacks experience as a martial artist. Instant Kamehameha lost it's surprise factor so Gohan would expect it and counter with his own. Cell immediately powered up again to fight Gohan after he did with Goku.

Oh. My. God. I never expected a collaboration of my two favourite Dragonball content creators, or at least any time soon. That was truly an exciting video to watch, good job!

Watching this just reminds me of the disappointment in Freeza coming back for the tournament in Super instead of Cell. Just because in the very least Cell probably would have been just as excited as Goku.

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

Would have had to drag Cell into the RoSaT to make him useful... ... Which would have been viable and a great place for Gohan to stretch his legs more

I never thought people think this Goku is stronger than Gohan. I always thought Gohan was stronger than Goku at this point. But you know what I want to see Future Trunk vs Gohan who have more potential. Feats and all.

@luvvsushi6581

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I’d say the only way Goku could actually go against Gohan would be if kaioken was a factor but idk

Goku himself stated he was going all out in the original English dub. Cell however was holding back, despite being a little tired.

Something the fandom likes to forget. Super Saiyan 2 is _only a x2 boost over Super Saiyan Grade 4_ and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, with one of his arms down and his power halved by the combination of physical damage and self doubt *was almost perfectly matched in a beam struggle with Super Perfect Cell,* only slowly losing ground. Cell Games Gohan is a beast.

@genuser135

2 жыл бұрын

Cell was absolutely destroying gohan for most of that beam struggle until Vegeta distracted him. Also losing an arm doesn't correlate to half power. He could have just channeled all of his ki into one arm rather than splitting it across 2.

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@genuser135 Did you miss the whole Crippling Self Doubt part? Mental State is a huge component of one's ability to utilize their power in Dragonball

@vulgrim909

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 he was self doubting himself before the beam struggle and its why he was losing to cell without help from Vegeta and the others, its why he wouldn't win against Goku bc power is only relative to the user, Gohans character literally does not allow him to go all out, he thinks Goku is stronger and he does not want to fight, Cell games Gohan is not a beast he is a coward the only people that think he is a beast is you Gohan fans that overhype a power he is too mentally weak and cowardly to use its like a Broly whimpering and crying infront of Goku Strength really means absolutely nothing if youre not even gonna use it which is why he was never made the protagonist

@AllMight6

9 ай бұрын

He also had a rage boost

Gotta say, you got some of the best takes on what if scenario's. The perfect balance of grounded outcomes based on evidence and your own personal story telling for fun outcomes. I like Masako X, but his what ifs definitely fly to far into the fanfiction side. Qaaman and other are good but so grounded that realistically most what ifs end badly.

The cameraman who filmed the cell saga is unmatched

I have a good what if idea: What if Gohan met Videl in the Cell saga. It could be like, in the nine days leasing up to the Cell games.

I agree that Gohan would still win against Goku without the need of any rage boost or SSj2. Also maybe we can see you do some of these What if VS I think would be interesting: - Piccolo (After Kami fused) vs Android 17 - SSj Rage Trunks vs Ultimate Gohan - SSBKKx20 Goku vs SSBE Vegeta - Cell vs Dabura - True Golden Frieza vs Ultimate Gohan

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't the Piccolo vs Android 17 fight you describe the one we already got? I'm with you on Ultimate Gohan vs SSIkari Trunks, sounds like it could be an incredible match. Gohan has the edge in power, but Trunks is by far the most pragmatic fighter in this show who will do everything to win if he's given the motivation somehow. Ultimate Gohan vs Golden Frieza would also be a great fight, but it's a little less interesting. These two hate each other lol

@sergiomedina1099

Жыл бұрын

The brand new Final Gohan vs UE and UI

Salad Saiyan: Did you really think you could do a video about the Cell games without me? Carthu's Dojo: I don't even know who the F*ck you are. "Gonna need a Senzu for that one..."

@user-vs9ds3dc2y

2 жыл бұрын

💀

“Do you really think you could do a video about the cell games without me?” “I don’t even know who the fuck you are”

"Still thinking of you Goku" -Cell while beating up Gohan in the TFS version

i would imagine Yamcha fighting Vegeta ya know, Yamcha outsmarting Vegeta in many ways, but vegeta still taking the win that would be a lit moment for yamcha

@sarcasticsuperjerk18

2 жыл бұрын

I’d actually love for it to be if Yamcha won by using the Spirit Ball and carrying Vegeta off the ring with it. Kinda fits with Vegeta’s whole thing in Z about people chipping away at his entitlement and taking the piss out of him when his arrogance gets overbearing, especially when Yamcha’s the weakest of the Z fighters there, it’d really break his ego. Best part is, it could realistically happen, Yamcha’s a trickster in battle and he knows how to beat a sensitive opponent like Vegeta via endless taunting. Of course in a non-tournament setting Yamcha would get blitzed, but in a tournament where you can alternatively win by knocking people off the stage Yamcha’s gonna take that chance and run with it.

@vulgrim909

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 Yeah no this is Z you don't win with petty attacks with a very low powerlevel besides that I don't remember him using that to win against any opponent and its not like Vegeta is that dumb he isnt some generic arrogant character like we all know Yamcha would be pissing in his pants facing Vegeta like lets be real here youre just the common Vegeta hater bc men with an actual spine make you cry at night

@sarcasticsuperjerk18

2 жыл бұрын

@@vulgrim909 Bro…that was…the most pathetic and pressed comment I’ve ever seen from ANYONE holy shit, I was just saying how it could work narratively 💀

Just wanted to say I've been following your channel for a while now and I think this new direction of video format suits you and your content perfectly, keep up the awesome work man and I can't wait for the next one!

How did I miss this?! You two are the reason I got back into Dragon Ball! You have no idea how hype seeing you two on screen at the same time is, however briefly.

This is really well made!

It was clearly stated after exiting the time chamber by goku that gohan was the strongest among them, his only weakness was his unwillingness to fight

My boy gohan taking the W

Amazing work carthu. You should make more videos like these.

When goku said, "what do you say son? Go out there and win this one for me, then we can all go home" really sold it for me. It was like Goku knew Gohan didnt wanna fight and unleash his anger but it was the only way to save Earth and beat Cell

I loved when Salad Saiyan came onto the video, it caught me off guard!! Wish we can see a full crossover next time!!😁😁👍👍other than that, amazing video!!✌️

Love it, also glad that Salad Saiyan got into this video today.

Gohan is so gonna be like "Wait, you weren't holding back?" So I say Gohan wins because Goku runs out of stamina.

Love the channel man Great Dragon Ball Z content

Honestly I feel if Gohan doesn’t have any motivation to fight Goku should take it.

@ArtsyJet

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine a dark spin where Gohan subconsciously takes out his frustrations on Goku. All those years of Goku being a subpar father has got to affect a kid, even if said kid isn't consciously thinking about it.

@craigpeoples9883

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArtsyJetI don't think he'd be upset at Goku especially since he's recently spent three years with Gohan

@andyjun4178

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArtsyJet you’re thinking of DBZA Loll

@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArtsyJet canon Gohan would never act like that

@user-vs9ds3dc2y

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArtsyJet You've been watching too much TFS.

Gohan would win if they were both SSJ one’s, but it’d be close!

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

In terms of relative power this basically the radditz saga all over again. If Gohan goes all out, Goku basically can't win.

@najeebshah.

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 lol no there is no ssj2 here Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

@@najeebshah. yes, there is a huge skill difference. Much like Goku vs Radditz. One skilled martial artist, one brawler with immense brute force

@najeebshah.

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 dude gohan and gokus power difference isn't lile goku vs raditz lol

@eternityarc916

2 жыл бұрын

@@najeebshah. gohan stomps lmao. The power gap is too wide

You put so much hard work on this for years you deserve millions of subscriber's keep it up

Yoooo so hyped for this

Editing is top tier & 100% agree with everything idk why ppl think goku could beat cell it was just never going to happen

This would be Perfect for Abridged Gohan.

My fav dragon ball what if youtubers are Carthu and Salad so the end was so nice to see :)

Salad's random pop up, and how you two converse is just hilarious

It would be interesting if Cell Games was an actual tournament with Cell not being the only opponent like you showed here. Android 16 was there as well even though I don't know how would it play out with 10 fighters overall.

@gizel4376

Жыл бұрын

i think if you want interesting match, you have to put: 1.Vegeta vs Trunks -> Vegeta 2.Cell vs Satan ->Cell 3.16 vs picolo ->16 4.gohan vs goku ->gohan second round doesn't matter since power lvl are too far away so you get gohan vs Cell in the final

@DynastyZwarrior90

Жыл бұрын

@@gizel4376 There were still Tien, Krillin and Yamcha. Unless you count their statement that they wouldn't fight in the Cell Games but only watch. I think Piccolo would beat 16 as he was able to take hits from Cell Jrs and keep standing while 16 was one shoted by Semi Perfect Cell who was much weaker than them.

@gizel4376

Жыл бұрын

@@DynastyZwarrior90 my reasoning for 16 winning is simply because picolo was weaker than base cell while 16 was stronger and i think it's more revelent than the how hard they get beaten by different form of cell that are hard to scale edit: also, the cell jr. powerscale is not coherent, we know at this point Vegeta is considerably stronger than Picolo, Picolo wouldn't stand against vegeta the way he standed against cell jr. which make no sense since the cell jr. are stronger than vegeta, the only explanation is that the cell jr. were playing with them, just like cell was playing with Goku, so they ajusted their power to get a good entertainement

@DynastyZwarrior90

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@@gizel4376 Yes but Piccolo trained for one year following his defeat by Cell and judging from everyone's comment his increase was very big. Playing around or not the Cell Jrs were still able to gain the upper hand against Vegeta and Trunks who wat this point could one shot Semi Perfect Cell. I think Piccolo is at the very least stronger than Semi Perfect Cell's level at that point. I mean Super Vegeta (who trashed Semi Cell) was 3 shoted by a heavily supressed Perfect Cell. Vegeta trined for one year and surpassed that level his saw from Perfect Cell (he was confident in winning the Cell Games) and he held his own against the Cell Jrs. Piccolo was able to survive longer against that same Cell Jrs than Vegeta did against Perfect Cell 10 days ago.

@gizel4376

Жыл бұрын

@@DynastyZwarrior90 i forgot about that part, yes with that one year training he's obviously stronger, it make more sense now

Neat crossover, I dig it.

Man love your videos

Alternative Title: If The Cell Games Weren’t Fixed For Cell’s Wants

Finally it's so annoying that people think gohan needed sj2 to beat goku when goku says gohan stronger than him and it's kinda confirmed when everyone surprised at gohan strength and when call says son goku might not be lying

I personally think that Goku would win, because his arsenal of techniques is far greater than Gohan. Not only that but IF Goku would to train his SSJ to TRULY be like his base form then surely, I mean surely, he can use the Kaioken. All he needs in my opinion is to use Kaioken x 1.5. (x 2 if there is no decimals in the Kaioken)Not only THAT but Goku's Battle IQ outmatches Gohan's (However I will admit Gohan does have a better IQ than Goku) also Gohan don't like fighting so he will either A. Try to end it fast, or B. Just like his Father win. Last and not least, Gohan barely if at all got battle experience. (All his deadly fights up to now has been a Curb stomp for either him or his opponent.) Forgot to mention this but yeah Gohan and Goku trained for like months (Not a year, some of it was spent trying to get Gohan SSJ) so both of them would know each other fighting styles quite well. (Which is an advantage to both but to mainly Goku, because he can easily detect the weakness for Gohan's better than Gohan can for Goku's)

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

Kaioken is incompatible with Super Saiyan. Also 1.5 doesn't exist and would still leave Goku woefully underpowered here. Imo SSKx3 would probably be enough, but it's not a thing

@ningenslayer6306

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 That’s never stated in the manga, and Grade 4 doesn’t consume any extra stamina. I doubt Goku would use it since he never does so, but there really isn’t a reason he can’t.

love your vids

THE COLAB I ASKED FOR ON TWITTER

I personally would've loved the story going this route almost, sort of Gohan's final test before taking on the big bad, can he defeat his own father? Despite what the fanbase thinks of their relationship, Gohan has put his dad on this pedestal that he thinks he could never surpass. Goku's challenge would be trying to break that idea Gohan has. With that said, I think Goku would hold back somewhat in fear of killing Gohan and thus Gohan wins. Plus of course Gohan being the stronger of the 2. That might also change the fight of Gohan vs Cell, with Gohan having more confidence to handle the bugman.

@marioandultrachap

Жыл бұрын

Probably wouldn't of been a bad idea.

You should do a what if on what if goku fully focused on himself in the time chamber instead of gohan. It would be very interesting to see how strong goku would’ve been able to become if he could spent his entire time on trying to improve himself and not gohan. And in this aspect I do believe that if goku have does not have gohan to worry about he could’ve unlocked ssj2 and beat cell.

@tormentor91

2 жыл бұрын

If Goku had not focused on Gohan, Cell would've easily won. If you have a capable training partner you're going to make much more progress than doing it on your own. Sure, Goku had to spent the first half preparing Gohan, but once Gohan attained Super Sayian, Gokus powr would've increased significantly faster than on his own.

@ultragameronline3917

2 жыл бұрын

@@tormentor91 you right. So ima change it to what if goku trained with vegeta and trunks trained with gohan

Ok that was cool how u two work on this video even though it was a short moment 😁.

the bit where salad comes in is so funny and unexpected it brought a smile to my face

The salad cameo 🤣

Gohan is a Strategist! He lays out a plan before trying it! Why is this even a question!?? Gohan would Trounce his Dad

@chrono2208

2 жыл бұрын

Goku is a better fighter than gohan, and at this point in the story gohan is still insecure about his power (which gets even worse considering hes fighting his dad), gohan might be more powerful, but he doesn't have the skill nor the mindset to win a fight against his dad.

@vulgrim909

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrono2208 Finally someone with sense who actually knows what theyre talking about and not being fanboys hyping up Gohans nonexistant power which he never uses unless the stakes are high, someone who knows that Gohan despite his power advantage doesnt like to fight if Gohan and Goku went 1 on 1 Goku would realize that his son doesnt want to or like fighting, it would be Gohan that would throw the fight and anything Goku says wouldn't change his mind

Goku ‘either my kid goes berserk and wins this, or I watch my son die and get enraged instead’ probably a thought in the back of his mind

Great video! I have same oppinion about this. Now please do a video about Young Gohan & Dabra & Perfect Cell.

I always assumed goku was "weaker" was because he doesn't have the potental endurance of cell. If goku went all out right from the start, caught cell off guard and blew him tf up maybe. But cell heals, and his stamina will quickly come back, goku obviously doesn't. Also since cell heals mid fight, he's getting mini zenkis constantly.

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

That is theoretically possible yes, but it's only possible because Cell was suppressing himself for a more entertaining fight against Goku.

I always related to Gohan because my parents divorced when i was young. My dad wasn't always around. But when he was, it filled me with such pure joy. He was my best friend. I see a lot of my dad in Goku.

@gaspenpayne6755

2 жыл бұрын

But goku and chichi aren't divorced? They all live in the same house.

Love your videos, man!! I recently found your page and have watched so much of your content. You are an exceptional story teller. For future vid suggestion, do you think it might be interesting to consider what would’ve happened if Goku accepted Kami’s offer to become the god of earth?

Hope you are doing well carthu no need to rush !!

So basically if the cell games was like the world tournament?

@CarthusDojo

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@daikoru2511

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarthusDojo cool idea man keep it up

@captain5977

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarthusDojo Are they battling to the death or just a friendly bout

You know I really would have liked to see this as canon if cell instead made the tournament in bracket style….ok honestly I just want to see Vegeta vs Yamcha round 1 🤣

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

Yamcha always faces the final boss in the first round. Unless Vegeta is New Yamcha and he gets beat up by Cell first lol

That "short rest" was maybe a couple of minutes and Cell had been fatigued before Goku beaned him

Salad saiyan x carthus dojo - not the colab we deserved, but the one we needed

I think Gohan could, but wouldn't. Unless Goku intentionally loses and further confuses Gohan towards the end, the younger would be weighed by a lack of *confidence* alongside experience. He respects his father, and consistently expects him to have more in the tank.

@marioandultrachap

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's my thing. Goku was still able to give cell a good fight in ssj Gohan did not cause he doesn't like fighting. Even if Gohan had more power than Goku which ehh I'm still on the fence about that since they're at the absolute max ssj can go already. If it is I don't think it's by as much as people say I still say Goku would win based on drive and technique. Had Gohan had the same drive and moviation Goku had then yeah Gohan would probably win. Gohan didn't really fight that much until he went ssj 2 so it's kind of hard to say what fighting technique he really has.

Kakaroto! I mean Full Power SSJ Goku XD

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

Will have to blitz a self doubting and hesitant Gohan and overwhelm him while the kid believes he's outmatched

That Surprise Discord Call in-between Carthu's Dojo and Salad Saiyan was really funny, but Salad Saiyan's voice sounds a bit different to me than it had been the last time I had heard it.

I was caught a little bit by surprise when Carthu had mentioned Team Four Star, as I really didn't think that he would have mentioned them at all.

If Super Saiyan Gohan actually tried, he probably could have beaten super perfect cell without super Saiyan 2. Depends on if you think he got a rage boost along with super Saiyan 2, or if super Saiyan 2 WAS his rage boost

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

Super Perfect maybe not, but definitely Perfect Cell

I think gohan has this one- he has even been confirmed to be stronger than goku in just his mastered state alone multiple times.

"I don't even know who the fuck you are 🤨" Bruh 🤣

The problem is Gohan may be stronger,but Goku is a warrior, between them Goku is winning.

Ok even after this video I still think Goku would win this fight, and it’s because this one reason, Goku is the greatest martial artist to ever live in his universe. If his minds in the right place he in theory be Gohan through different martial arts techniques he had learned in his over 30 years of training with different masters Gohan never had. Grandpa Gohan, Roshi, Kami and King Kai Gohan would win the power, Goku would win in skill

@priestesslucy3299

2 жыл бұрын

Skill can only overcome a power gap so far before it becomes impossible. A conservative estimate places Gohan at about three times Goku's power prior to SSJ2

@vulgrim909

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestesslucy3299 A power he doesnt even use or believe he even has, strength is only relative in how one believes in themself and men who refuse to fight or believe in such strength just cannot best someone with the raw determination and skill to win

"???" : DO YOU *REALLY THINK YOU CAN MAKE CELL GAMES VÍDEO WITHOUT ME? Carthus D: i dont know the f*ck you are Me: * Wait* "???" : its me Carthus :D: oh So salad Me: * Dies of laughing,rip *

Ok let's do some silly stuff According to guidebooks SS2 Gohan is 2x SS Gohan (or x100 regular Gohan) Gohan after taking the blast meant for Vegeta unbraced is at roughly half power as a result of both the injury and being demoralized (remember Ki has a spiritual component as well, it's not just physical, mindset also matters, concentration, etc, basically Gohan is shaken and can't muster his full strength even if he was completely healthy) So that means SS2 Gohan post arm injury is equal to SS Gohan more or less And Super Perfect Cell was clearly trying his hardest to kill Gohan during their Kamehameha duel, but was unable to This suggests that Super Perfect Cell was about equal with Full Power SS Gohan. A tiny bit stronger perhaps, but not by much, since he was unable to overpower Gohan firing a one-armed Kamehameha outright So the difference in power between Gohan and Goku is EVEN MORE MASSIVE than most people think. To the point that I'm not entirely sure that Goku would actually be able to hurt Gohan at all without something like the Instant Kamehameha - we know that you can punch above your weight with sucker punches like that since it came damn close to killing Cell, whom Goku isn't even close to being strong enough to kill normally. So Gohan doesn't just win, he wins and walks away without a single scratch, because Goku's only means to actually hurt Gohan would be highly lethal if it worked, and may not even work at all even catching Gohan by surprise (Gohan might very well be fast enough to brace in the time it takes Goku to actually fire the Kamehameha after instant transmission) Also fun: Ironically, this being a friendly fight? Gohan would have infinitely less of an issue in participating in it. For all his protestations, by actions, Gohan seems to be perfectly fine with fighting, it's just violence and killling that he hates. Has no problem hanging out with his father and spending most of the time they were in the time chamber fighting.

@vulgrim909

2 жыл бұрын

All of you Gohan fans just try to wank Gohan as much as possible and act as if no one is smart enough to know how much youre bullshitting. 1) Gohan wouldnt just be full powered ssj when he was fighting cell post arm injury bc at the end when he overpowered Cell he regained his confidence bc of Goku and everyone around him meaning at the end he used all he had in reserve just to win, Gohan up until that point was actually holding back against Cell bc he didnt believe he could win 2) How can someone be faster than teleportation? I swear its only dbz fans that think like this, Gohan would not be able to counter instant transmission infact he was surprised as everyone else was when everyone screamed thinking Goku was gonna blow up the earth. 3) Violence is pretty much the same as fighting dude lol and nah Gohan does have a distate for fighting he just fights bc he was forced into it constantly its in his character to lose and he would constantly be thinking Goku is stronger than him it would be an easy stomp for Goku considering Gohans character is so cowardly like he is not a Goku 2 I have no idea why its so much in peoples heads that he would just want to overpower and fight he literally had to see someone die for him to grow in strength like he was effortlessly being beaten by regular perfect cell before then Gohan isnt blitzing Goku unless Gohan becomes someone who isnt Gohan like a real fighter.

I wish more people watched Kai or at least the Japanese dub, so they can truly see the correct original version of what Dragon Ball was supposed to be, rather than the American version with misinformation.

I think Goku will win because there shouldn't be a reason for Gohan to release his rage to show his true potential. I'm excited to watch and see if I'm right! Love the videos!

the fandom really take TFS jokes ultra full power mastered instinct seriously, wtf 😭 6:20

I can already see where this What if gonna start of: *It began when Goku gives up to Cell... In the orignal timeline, Gohan would figt Cell and unlock SSJ2 through pure rage, but here, it turns out differently....* Goku: "Cell, I give up. You're too strong for me. But i do have an idea." Cell: Oh,sure, anything but not tell Vegeta or your son to fight me Goku :))" Goku: See, the point is that my son Gohan has an untapped power inside him, and if you make the Cell games like the World Tournament, then if I fight Gohan and i lose, he can fight you and well, he might just be the right opponent for you than me!" Cell: Goku, you know that is ridiculous, right?" *Vegeta silently judging Goku's opinion* Goku: Well but do you still want to fight me in this state of power,then?" Cell: *Thinks a lot about this* Well, okay... I guess he can fight you. But don't say i didn't warn you! Your father-son bonding might just backfire your plan, Son Goku" Goku: Yeah, i think that a lot too. If Gohan can kill me during the fight then that's mean he can easily knock you out and save the Earth, y'know?" Cell:.. Say no more, Goku. Bring the boy in the ring and i shall observe you two." Goku (to Gohan); Ya hear that, Gohan? You're gonna spar with me a little then we can both kick Cell's butt!!!" Gohan (still shook and all); *Wait, what?? Did dad just convinced Cell to change the Cell Games' rule??? But i thought... Ugh, i'd rather this tournament the last time i fight someone* Y-Yeah dad! I'm coming!" *And the rest could be in the upcoming What- if by Carthu Dojo!!! I'm just taking guesses but pls do support Carthu's original videos!>< Have a good day ahead, everyone!*

I can see Gohan taking the W in this

When your son is beating your ass and ur tryna keep up and he told you to stop holding back 💀

Best Collab ever

got confused when you got the call, almost had to answer by my self :D

Now we just need a crossover of you, Salad, and Smug.

1:00 I have clearer memories of Volumnes i own over ones i dont. And yeah, i still can almost quote word for word Goku and Gohans talk over whos stronger. ( Keypoint involving Goku asking Gohan "Did you see us (him and cell) doing anything you couldnt?" Gohan bluntly denies that fact, but assumed they werent Going all out, to which Goku clarifies, that whilst he cant speak for Cell, Goku himself DID. Quite the awesome scene imo. Also cool to see how it was translated into English, as i read/own it in Danish.

“Did you really think you could a video on the Cell Games without me?” “…I don’t even know who the fuck you are?”

Holy Smokes! Never expected that Salad Saiyan would appear here, as I DID see Salad's Vids to some Point :v

10:18 PFFT, that’s it! I’m dead! I’m dying.

Finnaly the day has come!

Nice vid

6:10 I was thinking the same thing. Despite all the jokes; Gohan really loves his dad

I have been waiting for liek a month