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@asabovesobelow5368

3 жыл бұрын

@Marvin Bass go away bass. No one is listening. Keep your cult. Your the same as BLM

@Blackpheonix99

3 жыл бұрын

@@asabovesobelow5368 not defending him cause I find it annoying as well but you do know lord of the rings is heavily based on that cult you speak of right?!

@Blackpheonix99

3 жыл бұрын

While I agree with 98% of this theory I think the ring may have corrupted gandalf more and possibly made gandalf a new sauron or fuse with sauron somehow possibly rid the taint of man and establish an order with elves or some other creature/race to truly rule over middle earth and more

@xxRamD3yruxx

3 жыл бұрын

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. ― C.S. Lewis

@Charok1

3 жыл бұрын

well real life humans are mostly greedy hypocrites and the only way to keep them from doing harm to others is a real threat of harm to themselves, so Gandalf made their world better if it is like ours.

I love how Boromir just pointlessly travels around the world for the entire story.

@samwrai

3 жыл бұрын

Right? Lmao

@aliasmcdecoy8349

3 жыл бұрын

He would also make Gandalfs perfect puppet king so eager to please a father figure

@HerosTheme

3 жыл бұрын

😂 LOL

@blazedean725

3 жыл бұрын

Then he gets crowned king out of no where

@TheHuginandMugin

3 жыл бұрын

At least he is alive, had a nice peaceful journey and became King. So i think he is the true winner here.

He will bring peace, freedom, justice, and security to his new empire.

@NerdoftheRings

3 жыл бұрын

His new empire?! Our allegiance is to the republic, to democracy!!

@meghanidels9883

3 жыл бұрын

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

@benl2140

3 жыл бұрын

Anakin, Chancellor Gandalf is evil!

@example6978

3 жыл бұрын

@@benl2140 from my point of view the hobbits are evil

@benl2140

3 жыл бұрын

@@example6978 Well, then you are lost!

Boromir really did nothing but ride his horse to and back from rivendale only to become king. What a champ. Total hero.

@MarvinT0606

Жыл бұрын

He'd most likely fight Gandalf instead of taking the throne. Remember, Boromir loves the People of Gondor above all others. He'd realize Gandalf is trying to enslave Gondor and flee with his brother to resist him. It'll be like Red Dawn but set in Middle-Earth with Denethor's sons leading the rebellion.

@Donnybrook10

10 ай бұрын

Galdalf: I killed your Father... oh, and Aragorn, but don't be mad Bro cuz you're King when I'm not around. High five! Boromir : Cool...so, where's Arwen at? I'm gonna get me some of that.

@mrknockknock1

10 ай бұрын

@@Donnybrook10 This man understands the deep lore like none other. Give him many thumbs ups! :P

@trueredpanda1538

9 ай бұрын

​@@MarvinT0606That depends, did he know Gandalf has the one ring or not?

@Zorstor

9 ай бұрын

😂😂

The idea of Gandalf turning Middle Earth into some kind of dystopian police state under the watchful eyes of his nazgul enforcers is both fascinating and terrifying. And yeah, Gandalf being like "Well, have it your way..." and just straight-up incinerating Denethor _is_ pretty amusing. 🤣 And Boromir spending the whole time just wandering all over the countryside, always missing whatever's going on, only to finally arrive home and be like "What'd I miss?" and have Gandalf make him King of Gondor? I am _dying._ 😂😂😂😂

@Dogsparkster

Жыл бұрын

reading your comment, i lost it at the boromir moment, i can just imagine him wandering the trollshaws lost while all the interesting stuff is going on. lmao

@sentientmustache8360

Жыл бұрын

“What did i miss?” “Your dad’s dead, here’s the crown” “Cool”

@donutlovingwerewolf8837

Жыл бұрын

@@sentientmustache8360 "Also I need an army" "Aight man"

@KicktheSky34

Жыл бұрын

Funnily, this kind of reminds me of the plot of this old PS2 game called LotR: The Third Age where you play as an off-brand Fellowship perpetually lagging behind the real one...

@Backonos

Жыл бұрын

the order Sauron wanted

Imagine if in an alternate universe this is cannon, and someone made a video about a theory with Gandalf not accepting the ring from Frodo, but instead sendt him off to Mordor with his gardner. Just imagine the like-dislike ratio on that video.

@McBrideRH

3 жыл бұрын

It would seem really messed up bc we'd assume he was condemning the simple gardner to become another Golem. "But Gandalf would never do that!"

@sirharryharry1665

3 жыл бұрын

That would give "the man in the high castle" a new meaning lol

@qwertyb18

3 жыл бұрын

It would seem really illogical as the eagles could just fly Frodo to Mt. Doom.

@PigreKo

3 жыл бұрын

@@McBrideRH thus the greatest writer is revealed, as he made one very hard to believe plot point its best feature. Tolkien was a beast.

@nicknickson2734

3 жыл бұрын

I felt I had to snap shot this comment lol

I imagine he would become a ghost-like being and they would call him... Gandalf the Wight

@NerdoftheRings

3 жыл бұрын

🥁ba-dum-ch!

@meltingpointcreations1457

3 жыл бұрын

Gandalf the Gray-ish?

@tylerborah6737

3 жыл бұрын

The Black

@khatack

3 жыл бұрын

nice one xD

@MikeG-rp7ep

3 жыл бұрын

You have officially won this thread. Well done!

The interesting thing about this theory is that if it had happened, Sauron wouldn't have been surprised at all. Dismayed, yes, but not surprised. Something like this is exactly what Sauron expected to happen if his most powerful enemies like Gandalf got hold of the ring. Sauron couldn't even conceive that someone would willingly try to destroy the ring until the very moment that Frodo put on the ring in the chamber above Mount Doom. He always assumed that anyone who got the ring would use its power for themselves.

@bzqp2

Жыл бұрын

Didn't he know about Isildur and Elrond? They set the precedent and were pretty close to destroying the ring. With how circular all the events in Tolkien's World are Sauron would surely at least consider it to be a possibility.

@Ryplinn

Жыл бұрын

@@bzqp2 I feel like Sauron may have been a bit distracted at that time, being as close to dead as he can get. Even if he did know about it, I'm guessing that he would count on the allure of the Ring protecting it from destruction. And it did end up being a pretty good deterrent, since exactly two people ever voluntarily gave the Ring up (Bilbo and Sam), and exactly zero people managed to purposefully attempt to destroy it.

@Hyperversum3

11 ай бұрын

@@Ryplinn He could be perfectly capable of seeing Elrond call for the destruction of the Ring, but he also saw that Isildur didn't do It. He has no real reason to believe that ring in hand the Elf lord would do what he was saying. Not Elrond could swear about It lol

@bananamafana3433

10 ай бұрын

@@bzqp2 well in the books, elrond and isildur never went to mount doom. that whole event of standing above before isildur claims it never happened

@bzqp2

10 ай бұрын

@@bananamafana3433 Huh, never realized this difference.

I like your alternate version a lot. But: I think Aragorn would have been suspicious from the start. I mean he is a hardened, worldly-wise man who barely trusts himself (he is the one instantly realising what's up with Boromir in the original Fellowship after all). As soon as Saruman was dead he would have made plans.

@MarvinT0606

Жыл бұрын

There are other things that would drastically change: 1. Minor characters in Minas Tirith like Beregond and his sons will play a bigger role, maybe even the sole witnesses to the murder of Denethor 2. Boromir will also have a bigger role, having *never* been corrupted by the One Ring when he meets Gandalf. When he finds out Gandalf actually murdered Denethor there will be hell to pay 3. It's also possible that instead of killing Aragorn, Gandalf will instead try to break his will or puppet him like what Saruman did. Aragorn as a "new" puppet king while Gandalf rules from behind the throne makes so much more sense than passing the crown to Boromir (who has no right to kingship) 4. Galadriel and Elrond might intervene and "change" the plan somehow, maybe give the Hobbits and Boromir a bigger but different role 5. Ultimately, Boromir the Vengeful Captain of Gondor and Aragorn the Puppet King will have to fight- backed by Gandalf and Galadriel respectively. 6. The story will play out more like a Greek Tragedy than Fantasy.

Let us be thankful that the one ring of power did not fall into the hands of a Took. For this outcome would lead to the creation of something far more vile and sinister... Third breakfast...

@praetorian3902

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment.

@whereismycup

2 жыл бұрын

100 years later: WHAT ABOUT 4TH BREAKFAST

@burpostockings

2 жыл бұрын

4th breakfast, 8th breakfast, 19th breakfast... The horror would only grow as fat as the hobbits under his rule

@shastanarnian233

2 жыл бұрын

Just like Fast and Furious series ))

@L33T_Taco

2 жыл бұрын

This fucking comment is underrated xD lol, or also instead of "elevensies, theres thirtensies"

Gandalf: *takes the ring* Sauron: "why do I hear boss music?"

@ElementOfTheUniverse

2 жыл бұрын

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@lumsdelj

2 жыл бұрын

cackle. underrated comment

@jeffjames3111

2 жыл бұрын

@@lumsdelj lol so funny!

@mattd6931

2 жыл бұрын

Gandalf taking the ring is the equivalent of him going: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start.

@Gudni_TH

2 жыл бұрын

Taking the hobbits to isenguard starts playing

This was interesting. Now I want to know how Galdriel, Glorfindel and Elrond would deal with Gandalf as the new Ring Master. They'd realise and be worried and/or kicking themselves. I can also feel all the Valar facepalming at this ending. "You had ONE job, Olórin!!"

@baabaaer

Жыл бұрын

Tulkas may arrive cloaked to meet Olorin, then when he is at most vulnerable, Tulkas brought forth the paddle of Manwe, and gives Gandalf a raw bum.

@thegianttater

Жыл бұрын

I feel like all the Elves would still leave Middle Earth, just a bit more hastily, seeing no hope in fighting Gandalf with that power and his knowledge. The REAL interesting thing, would be to see if Gandalf tried to, and was successful in, seizing the other two Elven rings of power before they yeeted off to Valinor and left Middle Earth to fend for itself?

@papuan369

Жыл бұрын

@@thegianttater I think thats explained by his asking for a modest force and his destination of both Rivendell and Lorien, where the last two rings are, to be taken by force, or as payment for safe passage to the havens

@dark7element

Жыл бұрын

@@papuan369 But with his wisdom and power over the other rings, wouldn't Gandalf be able to convince the elves to bow before him? The elves would realize that by that point, if they hesitate even a little in recognizing Gandalf's rule, he'd destroy them all, and even a fraction of the armies of Rohan and Gondor would make the odds of them resisting him utterly hopeless. Leaving for Valinor wouldn't do them any good.

@jessepinkman5702

Жыл бұрын

I think Gandalf would still end up killing himself like most who carry the One Ring

I like how you kept things in line with Gandalf's main idealism: Gandalf (and Tolkien) acknowledge that strong and powerful people can do great good, but equally may do great evil even if they desire to do good. Meanwhile, the meek and timid may also do great good, but rarely seek to do great evil. Gandalf was always meant to be a supporting character. His power was bringing out strength in others, which is one of (if not the most) powerful gifts of all.

@songsforthemadre7337

Ай бұрын

Nice one. I really like the deeper implications of Tolkien's world about human nature and Life in general. Time and again, souls have fallen into temptation when faced with the possibility (or illusion) of power. At the pinnacle of this, a mature or perhaps more experienced or pure being will know instinctively the simple fact that real power does not seek for more. They would genuinely have no interest in it. In a way it simply makes no sense to them. And even deeper, it's completely outside of their very own nature. It exists in a realm outside of the one a pure being exists in.

Boromir: *arrives in Rivendell after travelling for a good 4 months* Finally, now what is this urgent matter that I was called here for? Elrond: some guys are travelling to minas tirith, you should meet them there Boromir: Are you f*cking kidding me

@elijahjones2710

3 жыл бұрын

They weren't called to Rivendell. They all just happened to be there on their own business.

@PunkRockJ

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijahjones2710 boromir sort of got "called " there since his dreams told him to go find elrond's house

@elijahjones2710

3 жыл бұрын

@@PunkRockJ Your kind of right. I was just pointing out that it wasn't like in the movies and I hoped that my comment would get someone who didn't know to look deeper into it.

@PunkRockJ

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijahjones2710 Sorry, your point was pretty on point it was just a bit more context for those who didn't read the books

@elijahjones2710

3 жыл бұрын

@@PunkRockJ You're all good. We were both trying to do the same thing. Have a great day.

Gandalf would enslave Middle Earth and everyone would work in pipe weed factories. In the Fourth Age, Dark Lord Gandalf creates a pipe weed hybrid called “Fool of a Toke”.

@gm2407

3 жыл бұрын

The fields shall be fertilized by the dead Hobbitses.

@nikolanovakovic4150

3 жыл бұрын

Oh boy this made me laugh so hard

@castletreetv149

3 жыл бұрын

"Fool of a toke" :)

@redabales8828

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikolanovakovic4150 agreed!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@gandalf7262

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

I would have loved it if Boromir saw through Gandalf's sweet offering and the "King" label. Perhaps he smiles and gets close to Gandlaf, maybe even embraces him. Then he runs Gandalf through with his sword, whispering in his ear: "Gondor has no king, Gondor needs no king."

@MarvinT0606

Жыл бұрын

Boromir founds the People's Republic of Gondor 🤣

@ZealousValkyrie

7 ай бұрын

Honestly the perfect ending to this. Plausable, too.

@carolparson787

4 ай бұрын

Then Boramir would get the ring and end up Sauron’s slave

@Azuria969

3 ай бұрын

lol no boromir was a human, galdalf a maiar with the one ring, no sword could pierce him

@ben10the10

3 ай бұрын

@@Azuria969 No sword could pierce him? Where is that stated in Tolkien's legendarium?

How to become the King of Gondor: 1. Travel aimlessly to avoid war. 2. Return to Gondor when war is over. 3. Wait for your coronation.

And then he returned to Mordor and ordered Mt. Doom filled with pipe weed. The smoke was so great, it enveloped Middle Earth, and all were giddy and slightly peckish. And there was peace.

@skatemetrix

2 жыл бұрын

The one spliff to rule them all!

@Peaceful_Gojira

2 жыл бұрын

And there was much rejoice! *_depressed yay's heard about_*

@SoulyG

2 жыл бұрын

Actually there is an italian redub called "Lo Svarione Degli Anelli" where the story is about the one ring who hold the "svarione" (svarione means kinda like being stoned as fuck) and they have to destroy it to free the real highness for everybody, since Sauron (renamed Svarion) stole it and kept it for himsel even if destroyed. All character are renamed: Gandalf became Ganjalf, Legolas became Rizlas, Aragorn became Arabong, Gollum became Condom (cuz he's crusing naked) ecc. they redub mostly of the 3 films, i don't think u can understand it but you cracked me with this comment

@tcgcollector855

2 жыл бұрын

The wide spread food shortage that followed.....

@kahnfatman

2 жыл бұрын

Let me guess, you come from Colorado or New Mexico.

I would absolutely watch this version of the story, specially the part where Sean Bean is not killed and wanders endlessly only to be named king.

@AbsurdOod

2 жыл бұрын

After all, who has a better story than Bean The Broken?

@spielunker8438

2 жыл бұрын

One does not simply wander endlessly waiting to be named king.

@joshuaperry4112

2 жыл бұрын

Boromir would be so stunned at being named King, he would have a heart attack and die.

@bogdangrigore89

2 жыл бұрын

One of the best comments I have ever seen on a YT video

@s_shaleh

2 жыл бұрын

@@AbsurdOod hahahaha

What if not quite corrupted Gandalf destroyed the Nazgul, and kept their rings. Later, when frustrated with the lack of order across his kingdom, he begins gifting them to his most loyal allies. Aragorn, Theodin, Borimer, etc. to assist with their work to support him. They enthusiastically start helping Gandalf, before any of them realize that things have gotten out of hand…

@13g0man

10 ай бұрын

Nothing would have gotten out of hand. The Nine Ring-Wardens would eternally keep peace throughout Middle-Earth, at the will of the Bright Lord Gandalf.

@dancooke8811

9 ай бұрын

Impossible, no living man can kill a Nazgûl remember? Gandalf couldn't kill them in any other Lord of The Rings that's why.

@CarzorStelatis

8 ай бұрын

@@dancooke8811 Gandalf isn't a 'living man' though, he's a Maia. Same sort of get-out as Eowyn.

@SioxerNikita

7 ай бұрын

​@@dancooke8811That was simply a comment from someone cocky, not really reality. Everything can be slain in a world like Lord of the Rings

@mon_moi

5 ай бұрын

​@@dancooke8811can't he just use some Noldorin blades like Merry? I mean Gandalf in this alternate timeline probably wouldn't be welcomed in Lothlorien, but I imagine he could still acquire those blades somehow

Imagine he took Frodo with him, knowing full well that the ring would corrupt him, and being determined to hand over the ring back to Frodo when Sauron was defeated, as a last resort if he couldn't destroy it himself, and in hope he would have retained his deep compassion for Frodo (and that killing or imprisoning or ignoring Frodo would eat at his conscience if there still was some left).

Balrog: I like this version much better.

@arjenvk1

3 жыл бұрын

Gandalf to Balrog: come along friend, We will kick ass!

@Schrodingers-Fat

3 жыл бұрын

@@arjenvk1 Durin's Bane would definitely be no match, but also wouldn't try anything.

@1ceH3art

3 жыл бұрын

Man I wish they dove more into the old lore. Balrogs were just foot soliders

@MrNicoJac

3 жыл бұрын

@@1ceH3art No they weren't 😆 Balrogs were fallen Ainur(?), basically like Gandalf. There are plenty of videos explaining the precise details 👍🏼

@1ceH3art

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrNicoJac hu I guess things changed since my lore book was published. Wonder how much else was changed. Just went to google to find out why I had a different story. The early conception of Balrogs makes them less terrible, and certainly more destructible, than they afterwards became: they existed in 'hundreds' (p. 170), and were slain by Tuor and the Gondothilim in large numbers: "thus five fell before Tuor's great axe Dramborleg, three before Ecthelion’s sword, and two score were slain by the warriors of the king's house. (From Fall of Gondolin, Christopher Tolkien commentary)

A Dark Lord is never late, neither is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

@TiaMargarita

3 жыл бұрын

As is a military general!

@jordanuecker7744

3 жыл бұрын

“Nor is he early” GET IT RIGHT! :)

@andreashansen5313

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordanuecker7744 One does not simply misspell a LOTR quote.

@michaelfrankel8082

3 жыл бұрын

Well played sir.

@mr.honeybee7661

3 жыл бұрын

Oh fuck lol 😂

It is interesting that at the beginning of Fellowship, Gandalf has been fixated on identifying Bilbo's ring... perhaps, a little *too* fixated.

@bibsp3556

10 ай бұрын

It might have whispered somrthing to him, and given itself away.

@jrpipik

27 күн бұрын

If anything, he's too casual. He doesn't do anything useful for 50 years! I think it would be easier to argue the Ring psychically lulls Gandalf into not paying enough attention.

I think gandalf wouldn't turn evil all at once. He would use the ring with the intent to do good, but would become so powerful, he would become a terrible force in the world, become somewhat of a tyrant and feared among all... It would seriously throw off the balance of middle earth.

True terror would be if the one ring fell into the possession of Lobelia Sackville-Baggins

@ThoriberoCaroli

3 жыл бұрын

There would be no spoons left in the hands of any free man or woman. :I

@markbarthel9835

3 жыл бұрын

No spoon would be safe.

@TonusFabri2024

3 жыл бұрын

@@markbarthel9835 That's OK, *there is no spoon*....

@helloworld1249

3 жыл бұрын

This. This is the fanfic I desperately need. Million dollar idea.

@RafaelSCalsaverini

3 жыл бұрын

My god...

So basically, Boromir is just late to everything for months on end, then one day Gandalf is like "Hey, wanna be king?"

@razorsharpview9090

3 жыл бұрын

What the hell are you here at Middle earth, SENATE?!

@Hades8103

3 жыл бұрын

He isn’t the senate YET

@tidemaster

3 жыл бұрын

Here ya go doopemsksoblap eipdeep boing

@legion9327

3 жыл бұрын

That pretty well describes how Joe Biden became President.

@Definitely_Not_Sheev_Palpatine

3 жыл бұрын

@@legion9327 Actually, Joe Biden became President because the majority of voters voted for him.

i really enjoyed the mixture of canon lore and his own conjecture, here. i think he did an excellent job. well done!

I love Tolkien's description of how Gandalf the dark lord would be like, it's spot on, and honestly a really believable corrupted version of the character

Instead of a Dark Lord, you would have a king, not dark but gray, never late and terrible as the dawn of the fifth day! Tempestuous as the fireworks, and stronger than the finest Longbottom leaf! All shall not pass and despair!

@JFskeezix

3 жыл бұрын

haha nice

@lordoftherings999

3 жыл бұрын

Great

@raphaelfelipe1474

3 жыл бұрын

this was the best comment I've ever seen in my life, thanks from Brazil

@philippecollin559

3 жыл бұрын

Eloquent and funny. I raise my hat to you.

@fortunatodelacruz2451

3 жыл бұрын

this is perfect! LOL XD! i am reading this like Gandalf is actually saying it in the movie

Won't lie It would be hilarious to see Gandalf ask Boromir to be king just for him to look left to see a Nazgul holding a club just in case he says no.

@jhamPlays

Жыл бұрын

Punching his fist like a comic book goon

@Bakamoichigei

Жыл бұрын

...and then look right to see his old man's still-smoldering remains? 🤣

@kennethmoses4900

Жыл бұрын

This made me laugh out loud

@eimanb3887

Жыл бұрын

This is unnecessarily funny.

@Felix-dh9tl

Жыл бұрын

Won’t lie this theory would make an interesting movie

I love the idea that Gandalf ends up having the same motivations and means to an end as Cortana in Halo 5, especially with stationing the Nazgul in each major part of Middle Earth for peacekeeping purposes

@thematrixlunchhacker

Ай бұрын

Nice reference

Denethor being burnt again in this time-line is very accurate, it was his destiny to burn for his mistakes, just like in the vision. The difference here though is that unlike in canon, he will not recognise his son during his final moments, his soul will be corrupt to the bitter end.

This theory of how Gandalf would rule Middle Earth wielding the Ring and becoming far worse than Sauron because he would be actively trying to do good and would be righteous in his own mind fits nicely with the position that Tolkien's close friend C.S. Lewis took that those who think they are doing good can do far more damage than the utterly evil, because they have the approval of their own consciences.

@dominikszakacs7070

3 жыл бұрын

But still, Sauron himself thought that he was doing good. He intended to maintain order in Middle-Earth, though through extreme measures... orc armies, former men who he turned into slaves. It is also like Gandalf without the Ring is a protector of free will, Sauron still wants to maintain order, without respecting the free will of others.

@thewanabees123

3 жыл бұрын

@@dominikszakacs7070 this is wrong. Sauron thought it was necessary to be the way he was because I valued ORDER above all else. And he felt justified, but I did not think he was “good”

@Egryn

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that but Gandalf had a second ring if power, Narya. His possession of both rings would not only give him immense power but the ability to inspire hope in any who found him. This would allow him to amass a very large army who despite being corrupted by the one ring would think that Gandalf would be fighting tyranny against any who would suspect him of evil. He would have ended up ruling Middle Earth for ages since Narya also lengthened the life of the user.

@Travlinmo

3 жыл бұрын

Then engineer in me wonders if Narya would have actually meant anything if both the one ring and Narya were being used by the same person. Also, this Gandalf reminds me of the movie version of the Lady of Lorien.

@Egryn

3 жыл бұрын

@@Travlinmo it would because the righteous man using both would instill the false desire to fight anyone trying to harm the bearer of the one ring, thinking the other person to be a tyrant and oppressive.

Imagine if the Game of Throne writers put this much thought into how the characters teleported, I mean traveled.

@coreymayo8321

3 жыл бұрын

Hexcrawl vs. hand-wavy theater of the mind

@awesomeluciano78

3 жыл бұрын

When reading the books it's pretty evident that Tolkien had experience with war firsthand and troop movements as well.

@Khantia

3 жыл бұрын

GRRM actually did put this much thought into it. Just the TV show writers didn't care :P

@Enonymouse_

3 жыл бұрын

Big difference between writing a book and writing a screen play. Screen plays have considerations forced upon them a novelist doesn't need to concern themselves with. Tolkien was an amazing author.

@HackerArmy03

3 жыл бұрын

The TV version of Game of Thrones you mean. GRRM hasn't even begun to write the ending for his books. TV/studio foreign writers are honestly such a dumb dumb, remember what happened with the hobbit? Such a shame.

Since the ring wouldn't be destroyed, could Sauron still return and maybe take the form of a liberator to deceive men into helping him overthrow gandalf?

@oberonpanopticon

7 ай бұрын

Despite watching this channel idk much about lotr, but that seems totally possible!

@christianholzschuh6853

7 ай бұрын

"People of Middlearth, I have come to liberate you!" Hurray! It's Sauron here to help us! "FROM YOURSELF!" Oh no! It's Sauron, here to help us!

@GoldenSW

6 ай бұрын

It's possible but unlikely. Gandalf would be too strong. Sauron also needed a very long time to regain a semblance of his former strength without the ring.

@ryhi5

5 ай бұрын

@@christianholzschuh6853 "GREAT LIBERATOR! YOU HAVE SAVED MIDDLE EARTH!" Sauron: Oh, I wouldn't say "saved", more like..... UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT!

@thatguywhosenameyoukeepmis9450

4 ай бұрын

I think over time, Gandalf would have claimed the ring, leading Sauron to be unable to reform physically. Or maybe he claims it once Sauron comes back and tries rallying discontented people to his cause.

Actually the EDAIN modification for the LOTR game "Battle For Middle Earth 2" illustrated this very nicely. You can give the ring to gandalf there and see how it affects him and his surroundings. Very cool, one of the reasons I love this mod and game.

@RedSpade37

Жыл бұрын

How have I, major fan of this series and its video game adaptations, missed that? Thank you for mentioning it!

So the real winner is Sean Bean. He doesn't get to die for a change...

@samwrai

3 жыл бұрын

For a time...

@roxanneranchhand1245

3 жыл бұрын

Not until 'the Frankenstein Chronicles' on netflix

@vincentsanniti2438

3 жыл бұрын

Que piano falling from sky

@1freakgamer

3 жыл бұрын

He survived The Martian.

@darktrooper2099

3 жыл бұрын

@@vincentsanniti2438 *: : : : : : : : : : : :Shortly followed by pirate-ship from "TIME BANDITS"*

Denethor being actually 100% right in this timeline is so goddamn funny.

@Facade953

Жыл бұрын

A " wise " and " misunderstood " man!😅🤣

@jout738

Жыл бұрын

Who is Denethor by the way?

@thebigshep

Жыл бұрын

@@jout738 Boromir's (Sean Bean's) shitty dad. The one that makes Pippin sing and also later burns himself to death while trying to light his other son on fire

@milannagy4281

Жыл бұрын

@@jout738 Father of Boromir and Faramir

@shaeltr

Жыл бұрын

@@jout738 the dood who get caught in fire and to extinguish itself he jump on top of Minas Tirith 💀

I've always wondered what would happen... If Frodo willing gave the Ring to the Witch King out of fear, and avoided being wounded. Would the Witch King usurp Sauron, and become the ruler of Mordor, or would he maintain his service to Sauron?

@User-hz5vz

Жыл бұрын

He is neither dead or alive , and he would definitely be loyal to sauron

@vishnunaidoo3258

Жыл бұрын

And what if Saruman took the ring?

@southerncampingexperience3841

Жыл бұрын

@@vishnunaidoo3258 I would imagine sarumans first task would be to destroy gandalf, and take Narya. Most certainly slained all on the white council. His rule would give him the Nazgul. The Ents and Huorns wouldn't of stood much chance. Saruman would eventually overthrow sauron, and I think what happened to the Shire in The Return of the King would not happen.

@MarvinT0606

Жыл бұрын

the Nazgul are too far gone to think for themselves.

I just found your channel. This is such an interesting take, and I really appreciate the time you put into researching this.

notice how gandalf said "over me the ring would gain a power still greater" hes basically saying when you "Wear" the ring, you're not wearing it, the ring wears you.

@zakpodo

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Isnt that what separates the one ring from the others. It is made of the will to power and domination. And Sauron, like Morgoth before had that in spades.

@KnightOMurk

2 жыл бұрын

In America, you wear ring. In Soviet Russia, ring wears you.

@johnhansen4794

2 жыл бұрын

What is the Ego of this magic? Oh, infinite... K'Thanx, bye.

@aminulhussain2277

2 жыл бұрын

@@KnightOMurk The ring wears you in both.

@rykehuss3435

2 жыл бұрын

@@zakpodo No, the One Ring was created to dominate and subjugate all the other Rings of Power. A Puppetmaster, but first there were the puppets

Complete Travels of Boromir (Gandalf the Ring-Lord Edition): "He runs a lap around Middle-Earth, doing nothing. For this great service to the free peoples, he is crowned king." THE END

@psychepeteschannel5500

2 жыл бұрын

@Allied Empire United Countries of the World I would like to see the look on Boromirs face as he returns, after walking around for a year getting no results, to suddenly being told that the war is won and he is king :D

@joyfulyes

2 жыл бұрын

@@psychepeteschannel5500 love the absurdity of it. There's something Python-esque about it, isn't there?

@alaljarensi6990

2 жыл бұрын

Corrupted Gandalf would give king Boromir a new ring of power and immortality.

God damn, I can't believe I've been sitting on this channel for a year. I never thought it would be in line with the books instead of the movie. Instant sub!

It’s so crazy to think that Bombadil asks to see the ring, laughs at it, and then puts in on his pinky for a joke and doesn’t disappear. Then he can see Frodo while he’s wearing it.. The humility this imbues in me, I can’t express.

Some tales are "There and Back Again." Others are "Boromir: Or How I Walked Around For 5 Months and Became King!"

@MANB91UK

3 жыл бұрын

Well, at least it only took him five months, he didn't have to spend a few years in a frozen cave learning how to become an emotionless drip that can navigate the Middle-Earthern-Tree-Internet

@blshouse

3 жыл бұрын

One does not simply walk to Imladris.

@masterexploder9668

3 жыл бұрын

Boromir had the best story, so he's king now.

@ricksaburai

3 жыл бұрын

It's still "There and Back Again" if you think about it lol

@MelindaGreen

3 жыл бұрын

Who made him king? I didn't vote for him!

The fact I love about this is that even tolkien himself wrote some fan fiction about his own property haha

@Graphomite

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't really surprise me. The Hobbit was a pretty restrained novel compared to the LotR trilogy. LotR was def Tolkien indulging himself and/or the geek audience he had awakened and it doesn't surprise me that the dude entertained spinoffs and what-ifs.

@Kaaxe

Жыл бұрын

"author fiction" perhaps

@ggt47

Жыл бұрын

What?!

@comradeschnitzelstein7177

Жыл бұрын

I'm literally trying to write a universe and novel whenever I can and I cannot resist writing fanfiction of what plans I have for it, even when it's not even close to finished. I can see why, lol

@liquidsnake6879

Жыл бұрын

entertaining what-ifs is pretty common in writing and a fun exercise

This is exceptionally well done. I would ask you continue this story with Gandalfs domination of the elves and dwarfs.

I am new to your channel but have been a true LOTR fan for years. I absolutely love watching and listening because of the knowledge it portrays. I love diving deeper and learning more than what I’ve seen on the movies and what I’ve read. Thank you for sharing your research and discoveries

This is impossible. Sean Bean didn’t die in this movie. So it just cannot be. Sorry.

@simonhbacon

3 жыл бұрын

Sean Bean plays Aragorn in this version?

@nodaknegan9111

3 жыл бұрын

Right! He would have turned down the role! "I dont die?!" "Feck that!"

@keithjzammit

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonhbacon seems possible! I think Bean could make a good Aragorn

@dandini0698

3 жыл бұрын

We can fix it! On the road back to his home city, Sean Bean öhömmm... I mean Boromir, walking while watching the beautiful glades of Rivendell, trips over a tree root and falls, until his head experiences a sudden stop by a giant rock.

@Nutsaur

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonhbacon Seen Been.

Gollum: How the hell am I going to lure a WIZARD into the lair of Shelob?

@saltedllama2759

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated post right here.

@jarskil8862

3 жыл бұрын

Tell Gandalf that there is Old Toby in the cave?

@Telepian

3 жыл бұрын

gandalf wouldn't need gollum because he already knew the way

@astwas

3 жыл бұрын

He tells him a naked Dumbledore is in the cave waiting for him

@spiderprint

3 жыл бұрын

*Cough* Eagles *cough*

Your voice work is so great! Glad i just stumbled on this channel.

Excellent theory! I am a new subscriber of your channel I have discovered only a few days ago, and I must say you researchs, explanation and videos are outstanding. I didn't really read the books of Tolkien beside The Hobbit and LoTR, but I have always wanted to understand more. Your channel brings this to me. Now it's mine!

Movie elrond: Strangers from middle earth, friends of old. You've been *summoned* here to answer the threat of morder. Book elrond: Why does random people of different races keep appearing in my super secret hidden place?

@pickybitch2707

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 true!

@psychepeteschannel5500

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah :D that is the book version alright. But I think it is quite fitting. The evil is simply rising everywhere, all sides are taking notice around the same time and so Elrond would likely say something like "It has begun"... or perhaps he would say "I was expecting you, Mr. Anderson". Who knows :D

@andysuryantorovanruzzette8085

2 жыл бұрын

@@psychepeteschannel5500 dang it, you cracked me 😂😂

@InquisitiveUniverse

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@LagunaShirogane

2 жыл бұрын

@@psychepeteschannel5500 Elrond takes the ring...hence we have Agent Smith

Boromir: *holy hell I finally found this place* Elrond: *you have no need here, go back*

@Langstondennis

3 жыл бұрын

*Photoshopped Sean Bean's face into Mike Wazowski meme*

@hisnotsolonely2961

3 жыл бұрын

At least he didn't die in this version so far 13:00 Edit: he didn't die which is nice

@Langstondennis

3 жыл бұрын

@@hisnotsolonely2961 wait until Middle Earth terraforms into Westeros

@jeanbizet931

3 жыл бұрын

@@Langstondennis 😂😂

@saraola6477

3 жыл бұрын

Seven hells

Dude, the voices you do are incredible!

Love this channel! Congrats!

So, in this timeline, Denethor doesn't eat a tomato? Where do I sign up?

@adryanmonk

3 жыл бұрын

This is my favourite comment so far and there are many good ones around. Well done, good dir.

@kongchangfan2237

3 жыл бұрын

i still feel kinda traumatised by seeing this creature eating his meal :O thanks for warming it up, haha

@Missingafool

3 жыл бұрын

That was brilliant and so spot on! Well done sir! We'll done!

@nodaknegan9111

3 жыл бұрын

That tomato seen makes my girlfreind puke every time. Funny shit yo.

@monex6447

3 жыл бұрын

The only thing worse was the one dude in the Hobbit eating balls

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."- cs lewis.

@Rayzorbladez

2 жыл бұрын

So, democrats.

@j.h.oldman7708

2 жыл бұрын

Insightful. A brilliant wordsmith.

@JoeCold

2 жыл бұрын

Resounds loudly on this September day in 2021.

@brokenwingbird2552

2 жыл бұрын

Nah.. Cause its what we currently live under. You know nothing else

@ace2times235

2 жыл бұрын

Great quote

Now that's some good nerding out there 👍 I appreciate all the effort you put into that, kept me interested anyway

I love these scenarios of yours. Well thought out and compellingly detailed. You ought to get ROP to give you a job with them.

"All hail the new king, Boromir Blisterfoot!"

@JakeRivers

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@shanedude91

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@odger3700

2 жыл бұрын

lol Best comment :D

@tijltrienen

2 жыл бұрын

Nahh he rides a horse. So its marathon horse of lonely boromir

@zoltanposfai3451

2 жыл бұрын

@@tijltrienen I don't think he touched a horse in the entire story, except for the ponies carrying their supplies.

I believe that Galadriel, sensing Gandalf's actions with the Ring would travel West as she does on the book and eventually warn the Valar of what's going on. Then a crazy war would happen between the Valar and Gandalf controlling the Nazgul. - Cheers from Argentina!

@spiffygonzales5899

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno about the crazy war part. Gandalf would be powerful but not dumb. I don't think he'd pull a Morgoth and start shattering continents and allying with (potentially) mountain sized spiders.

@LateNightVibes56

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiffygonzales5899 mountain spiders?

@spiffygonzales5899

2 жыл бұрын

@@LateNightVibes56 Yea. Ungoliant. It's more or less left up to speculation as to how big EXACTLY she grew, but I've heard some very interesting arguments that she'd be hundreds of feet tall.

@WardenFG

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiffygonzales5899 I agree with you, I kinda pictured it like Galadriel going to the Valar and the Valar taking action before Gandalf gets to do anything stupid. Yeah, maybe a "crazy war" wouldn't come to pass.

@joaofarias9986

2 жыл бұрын

The Valar don't give enough fucks to stop him. If they did, Tulkas could have killed him in three days, two of these days woyls be the travel to Mordor and back.

This is my first time at your channel but I'll be back. You did some work on this. The timeline deviations and resulting consequences were intriguing.

Thanks for the What Ifs, I've always enjoyed stories like these.

Gandalf in possession of the One Ring makes a lot of sense as an Anti-Villain. That said... can Sauron truly be destroyed so long as the Ring is intact? Even by a fellow Maia? Aren't we told over and over again that so long as the Ring exists, Sauron _can't_ be permanently vanquished? So, for me, this suggests a wrinkle in this scenario, in which part of the reason why a Ring possessing Gandalf becomes a tyrant is exactly because the threat of Sauron permanently lingers around Middle-earth -- Gandalf uses the constant threat of Sauron's return to justify everything he does as tyrant.

@guccifer764

2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien himself admitted that theoretically, someone _could_ become the rings new master, severing Sauron’s hold over it. However, in doing so, they would become an even greater Dark Lord than Sauron ever was. So, it’s kind if a pointless endeavour if your goal is to make sure there is no Dark Lord.

@Ubermensch201

2 жыл бұрын

@@guccifer764 why would the new owner be an even greater Dark Lord than Sauron?? Especially if it's just a Man or "regular" Elf.. Seeing as Sauron was a Maia so anything less wouldn't be as powerful as him, you'd think

@guccifer764

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ubermensch201 It’s not so much that the Ring could turn Steve from accounting into an even more powerful dark lord. It’s more that the ring could only be mastered by someone who already had the potential of being a worse dark lord, like Gandalf or Galadriel.

@justink1985

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ubermensch201 For someone to take it from Sauron one would have to be even more powerful and they in time would also be corrupted. Creating an even worse situation. I think this is more whats alluded to in the books or what Tolkien meant by it.

@ricardokowalski1579

2 жыл бұрын

What if ... Gandalf does not kill Sauron? If Gandalf can command the Nine... could he also use the ring to subdue Sauron himself? Is obedience a worse fate than death to Sauron? Sauron as a Gandalf lackey, would be interesting and terrible. He would do exactly what Gandalf orders...but everything would be done with resentment and hatred.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience". CS Lewis

@Crash103179

2 жыл бұрын

A most appropriate quote.

@filipferencak2717

2 жыл бұрын

Monotheistic Gods be like:

@whitingpie5146

2 жыл бұрын

Hate to bring Politics into it, but sounds awful lot like Far Leftists of today who have turned into the Fascists they claim to oppose. All for our own good.

@era5773

2 жыл бұрын

Good .

@drunkenphilosopher5159

2 жыл бұрын

@@filipferencak2717 never saw someone so stupid lol. "Monotheistic" and "Gods" in one sentence. The logic.

Great video. One thing that I noticed while listening, is how similar Gandalf's endgame is to Magus Bayaz from The First Law trilogy. Honestly, while clearly evil, Bayaz keeps the kingdom in good shape (through subversion and intimidation) and manages to bring about peace.

I love how you don't just speculate but base your theories in various writings of Tolkien. It's refreshing!

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant

3 жыл бұрын

and the road to good intentions can take you through hell.

@renato3

3 жыл бұрын

There are people who have to go through hell before understanding the value of good intentions. Others do not. They are already wise

@pwnmeisterage

3 жыл бұрын

Our mythology offers intrinsically good and holy artifacts, things like the Holy Grail. Middle Earth's mythology offers intrinsically evil and unholy artifacts, things like the One Ring. While the intrinsically good and holy powers are immortal beings like Gandalf and Sarumon - who can be corrupted.

@CalridRobnor123srs

3 жыл бұрын

@James Gravil The endless Tolkien theme, a thing in itself is not good or evil with the exception of the ring because it was much of Sauron's malice and will, but the peoples of Middle Earth are corrupted by power, even by tools that are meant for good, and even with the best will in the world. eg get that +5 sword, and you become hastened towards fighting things to get the better chance at a critical to use RPG nerd speak. And then you get your skull cleaved by an axe wielding orc horde. Tis ever and so. :)

@CalridRobnor123srs

3 жыл бұрын

You kinda have to remember too, The Lord of the rings is a Biblical Exegesis too, it's what it is about really, especially when you consider as some people have said CS Lewis (A Christian Apologist) influence on Tolkiens story. The Silmarillion is the war for heaven in The Bible and the LotR is the end times when the beast comes to corrupt men because they are jealous of their free will.

The only flaw with this theory is that Sean Bean doesn't die.

@MrSyco07

3 жыл бұрын

One does not simply... save Sean Bean.

@damianrehbein3992

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSyco07 Come on, once we can give him. But just once he has a reputation to hold up.

@damianrehbein3992

3 жыл бұрын

@Grandson Of Cherve Maybe.

@TurboSilke

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, the movie version of this would need to recast Borimir.

@roman2374

3 жыл бұрын

They would’ve simply cast Viggo as Boromir and Sean Bean as Aragorn! And there we have a pointless death

You got me hooked, good job

I like this scenario, though it seems to me to ignore the primary concept of the One Ring, that it only has one master, and works its will to get back to Sauron, betraying all others who wield it. I imagine the boss fight between Gandalf and Sauron coming to a head, and just when it seems all hope is nearing triumph, the Ring betrays Gandalf - perhaps by tightening at an inopportune time and taking the wizard's mind off the battle at a critical moment, or drawing on the ring of fire and burning his hand, or drawing his will towards submission to Sauron now that the source is so near. Or just being a dick and do what it does best: slipping off that darn finger.

@dark7element

Жыл бұрын

As the video mentions, the author himself said that Gandalf might've been able to use the ring to defeat Sauron.

Totally serious video idea: What if Thorins company turned around to get Bilbos handkerchief

@NerdoftheRings

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂 Would’ve been catastrophic!

@fredtrunce5931

3 жыл бұрын

Probably nothing? Thorin’s company sits around waiting for Durin’s day for like a week don’t they? And before that they wait around in lake town for like a month.

@LookingTheBest

3 жыл бұрын

WAAAAAAAIIIIIITTTT.

@patrickramseyart

3 жыл бұрын

Stop! Stop! We have to turn around.

@tygovisser5626

3 жыл бұрын

Bilbo would have something else (handkerchief) to call precious and never gets corrupted by the ring

Sean Bean approves this no-dying ending

@deusexaethera

2 жыл бұрын

Wait for the sequel.

@redwaldcuthberting7195

2 жыл бұрын

Sean Bean has a clause that he's contractually obligated to die in everything he's in. 😏

@paxnorth7304

2 жыл бұрын

now THAT'S soldiering

Just wanted to comment and say that I watch this video on a whim, but it's absolutely rekindled my fascination and interest in the LOTR story and Tolkien's universe. I had read the books a few times many years ago and read parts of his other works. I had forgotten about all the many changes the films made and how incredibly deep the lord and story were. I was way into it. It really is one if the most amazing high fantasy sagas of all time. I'm going to watch the Rings of Power now. Just wanted to drop a thanks🙂 As for what I think would happen, I absolutely agree, and from the very beginning when you quoted his reasoning with desiring strength to do good and prevent weakness, that is absolutely the mindset of dictators and despots throughout all of history. Self righteous is right. He would be the one final authority over all middle earth and as the ring was inhabit his vessel for eons it would slowly wear away at his ability to be objective and remember what truly is right for all and would go for *complete order* at the expensive of freedom for inhabitants to choose their own destiny and change. He would become a shell of himself. Where his mind would have mixed signals from his original identity and the ring, that would in some ways cancel each other out to leave a somewhat confused being of immense power that is subconsciously fighting a war within between the Gandalf he was and the essence of sauron attempting to overtake his mind and become more dominant. The fun and joy at life and fondness he had for those weaker creatures (like hobbits) would dry up, conflicted by the essence of sauron to dominate all. His reason for even defending the realm would fade over time to where the only thing that matters is order, but not necessarily brutal tyranny like from Sauron, if that makes sense . I can see him traveling for a time, then eventually sitting on a throne in a location, alone in silence, but with a smoldering vigilance. He would have a few attendants that would be sycophants that want a piece of his power and he would eventually be misled by these. He might discover this as different factions and individuals seek power and lash out with immense brutality that has been dormant within. This would end his trust with others, then he would rely on the the 9 and other forces he would completely control to watch and see. Eventually the realm would understand him to be a despotic ruler that has to be destroyed, but at that point, I imagine it would just be the realms of man and their greed to have power themselves, perhaps the line of boromir would be vassals that would bristle at his ultimate control or perhaps these vassels would be ruthless enforcers of Gandalf's desire for order and eventually their would be a righteous revolution to wrest control from both the kings and Gandalf. IDK, it's been awhile, so I'm not currently aware of all the forces and characters so I could be missing something big. I look forward to when AI is good enough to design film, media and books based on prompts a la DALLE 2 . "What would happen if Gandalf took the one ring?" will be one of the first ones I do, right after "finish the ASOIAF books" (because I refuse to watch the bastardized version that began to really take hold at season 5, and I still don't know WTF happened, but I'm sure that it sucks based off what I've gathered and how they decided to go with the story. Still kinda salty about this if anyone reading can't tell😅)

That was so well put together and thought out

My wife just asked me what I was watching, and I replied "a hypothetical conjecture about if Gandalf di-..." she's like stop stop stop I don't care lol

@anakay1184

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry that you chose mistakenly

@bitchursofake

3 жыл бұрын

I too apologize for your mistakes

@mitzukirigaya3180

3 жыл бұрын

there will be preyers for you our fallen friend

@BeardAxeMcAxeBeard

3 жыл бұрын

Divorce

@leothelion19

3 жыл бұрын

Divorce her lol

This made me think of a quote from Yoda, "Paved with good intentions the path to the dark side often is".

@sacharriolamarino317

3 жыл бұрын

What about Yoda with the ring?

@thunderstrike842

3 жыл бұрын

@@sacharriolamarino317 the cockring?

@alexworld1992

3 жыл бұрын

An original quote: The path to hell is paved with good intensions - I think it is old testament Biblical

@scottfitzpatrick1939

3 жыл бұрын

100% true

@castletreetv149

3 жыл бұрын

Yoda and Gandalf should team up

Wow that was so much cooler than i expected, i love how accurate and fitting this theory was, just makes me think how horrifying the world under gandalf ring bearer could become

"True courage is not knowing when to spare a life but when to take one _by incineration_ Boromir, so take the crown and shut up"

Sauron, when he realizes the Ringwraiths are no longer under his control and Gandalf has the One Ring: "Tell me, where is Gandalf? For I much desire to speak with him."

@jacobadam6804

2 жыл бұрын

Is this an Underworld reference?

@dawsonjacobson4451

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobadam6804 it’s a reference to a quote in lord of the rings that was popularized by the KZread music parody video “they’re taking the hobbits to Isengard” created in the mid 2000’s, funny video.

@aiestef

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobadam6804 in the movies, Galadriel spoke those words when the Fellowship entered Lothlorien

@jacobadam6804

2 жыл бұрын

@@dawsonjacobson4451 I just watched that for the first time. Hilarious. Thank you.

@masync183

2 жыл бұрын

@@dawsonjacobson4451 damn seeing that referenced felt like pippin looking into the palantir. A dark force that one would like to quickly forget.

I’d like to think that the ring would betray Gandalf just when he needed it most, if not as they enter Mordor with the 9 turning on him or perhaps slipping off his finger during the confrontation with Sauron.

@namankumar1677

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think this is much more likely. Gandalf is not the true lord of the ring, the ring knows that. It would betray him at a crucial moment.

@ricksaburai

3 жыл бұрын

@@namankumar1677 could be. But then again, unlike lesser wielders of the ring who were betrayed by it, Gandalf is a Maia, same as Sauron. Just like Gandalf's will was prone to its corruption, so could he too subjugate the One Ring's will. I think it's quite possible considering he had more potential than Sauron after becoming a dark lord.

@namankumar1677

3 жыл бұрын

@@ricksaburai You might be right, not just because Gandalf is a Maia but because he also carried Narya. I wonder what carrying two rings of power does to you.

@HeavyMetalGamingHD

3 жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure that gandalf would be able to defeat sauron. sauron is very weakened without the ring. he put his own power into forging it. the ring is basically a part of him. both of them are mayar. they are on the same level and gandalf had narya. But sauron would never fight gandalf without this theory. Sauron did basically never fight unless it was completely unavoidable. The last alliance besieged barad dur for seven years until he finally entered the fight.

@CaptainKirkZ1LLA

3 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty tough sell. Abandoning someone like Gollum, sure. Leading Isildur to his death, Numenor or not, he's still just a man. But Gandalf is a being of great power. The only real complication as far as taming the Ring is concerned, is that Olorin, when he was sent to Middle-Earth actually feared Sauron, and was uncertain of his ability to keep him in check. That may play into the Ring swaying him or vice-versa.

I'm high as a kite and just came across this channel... this is trippy af, but what I find even more fascinating than the stories is the fact that someone actually makes a very good living out of this channel... you have to love the internet!!!! So awesome 😂

This was just super well done and entertaining.

Sauron:"From my point of view, Gandalf is evil!"

@shlongbongchewy

3 жыл бұрын

Then you are lost!

@Quantakinetic

3 жыл бұрын

There was a book written with exactly this premise, as an unofficial sequel, called The Last Ring Bearer by Kirill Yeskov if you want to look it up. The idea is that 'history is written by the winners" and thus all the LOTR stuff was propaganda. Quite an interesting read.

@carnivorecaveman

3 жыл бұрын

@@Quantakinetic Hi, I would like to read that book! Where can I find it in English, either as a paper-book or a digital version? Because I found it on Amazon just in russian edition.

@TheEllord33

3 жыл бұрын

​@@carnivorecaveman Sauron was not that different of gandalf. He wanted to do good and eventually corrupted himself with lust of power. But taking aside the lack of freedom of beeing under by Sauron, he was actually pretty good at managing an empire.

@carnivorecaveman

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheEllord33 Sauron was surely good at managing an Empire, this is out of queastion! Without this talent he could not have been a powerful enemy of Gandalf and others. However, freedom is a great value in my eyes... But, even if we take no notice of freedom, the orcs in the empire of Sauron seemd me poor, ragged, they were not wealthy at all, so they were in general unhappy. Additionally they were even ugly, because their body had numerous signs of a vast number of serious sickness'. Therefore it is my opinion that Sauron was not really a good king at all.

Dude every LOTR nerd needs to know you exist, you put so much effort and have great inflections when speaking. This is how I want to ingest my LOTR content from now on. Clean, well written, and produced with real heart.

@NerdoftheRings

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I truly appreciate it! :)

@watkins7086

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree

@aceofspades4948

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought when first watched

@cmdrTremyss

2 жыл бұрын

He is like a fine glass of whisky after a long day.

@Ubermensch201

2 жыл бұрын

I've been stuck on them for a week now lol I love it

26K from 1 million subscribers! I'm really rooting for you!

I wonder how happy would JRR be if he had had the chance to watch these videos. Good job

Very interesting theory! I feel there would be much more nuance and struggle between Gandalf and the Ring. Gandalf was incredibly strong-willed and pure of heart. It would take a long time for the ring to take hold - and even longer to get such a strong hold as to make Gandalf murder friends like Aragorn in cold blood. If it came down to it between Aragorn and Gandalf, I find it more likely that Gandalf would render himself vulnerable in a moment of clarity allowing Aragorn to strike a deadly blow. I just feel Gandalf would be wise enough to realize he was being pulled in by the ring, and also strong enough to exhibit great resistance to its power. He would eventually lose if he kept on with the Ring, but I think he would find a way out - either by himself or by the aid of his friends.

@SteliosMusic

3 жыл бұрын

This should be top comment. Not just because I fucking love Gandalf, but also because it would fit Tolkiens happy-ending, optimistic style. That being said, I do like a good movie that breaks the mold... I suppose execution would play a big part in this.

@SteliosMusic

3 жыл бұрын

*mould

@eowa

3 жыл бұрын

I actually expected it to play out with Aragon severing Gandalfs hand that bares the ring or something, making him see sense.

@SteliosMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@eowa Was thinking the exact same thing last night! This comment & the excellently done video, have certainly stirred up the imagination.

@damianrehbein3992

3 жыл бұрын

I belive Gandalf to be TOO good of heart to not use the Ring. Like if I gave the nicest guy on the planet ultimate power and be like. "You cant use this shit to help anyone." "Kids starving?' Nope. "War?" Nope I think this wold break him sonner then later.

I think the real tragedy here is Borimir going all that way to Rivendel for nothing and has to WALK all the way back home. He was probably attacked by a moose on the way back and never seen again.

@vivthefree

2 жыл бұрын

Killed by a moose in the dramatic fashion of his death in the film.

@stiimuli

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivthefree a moose with a bow then

@jacobadam6804

2 жыл бұрын

The moose was obviously one of the many servants of Sauron, sent out to personally deal with the biggest threat to his reign.

@evanscammell4194

2 жыл бұрын

The moose: So passes Boromir son of Denethor

@citricdemon

2 жыл бұрын

A møøse once bitte my sister

Amazing theory that gets the mind turning to flesh out more details and what it's. I could see a really cool fanmade storyboard /manga or anime adaption going well with this.

In the lord of the rings strategy games from back then you could actually give Gandalf the ring. There was a good and evil version. Was very cool

If this scenario were to play to the bitter end, Gandalf would find himself at war with the Valar themselves. First, Sauron's ultimate loyalty was to Melkor (Morgoth), as seen when he corrupted the realm of Numenor. Under the Ring's thrall, Gandalf's reign over Middle-Earth would be unending, and would certainly come to the notice of the Lords of the West. After all, they had sent the Istari to Middle-Earth in order to inspire the peoples there to find a way to free themselves from the mastery of Sauron, and ultimately Morgoth. The Valar might certainly blame themselves for the failure of their plan. Even though this time they acted with subtlety rather than brute force, it would mean *every* action taken by the Valar to save the Children of Iluvatar had failed. They summoned the Elves to Aman, and this resulted in Morgoth destroying much that they had built and nearly conquering all of Middle-Earth. They rewarded Men with the land of Numenor, and that led to the Downfall of Numenor and the changing of Arda itself. Now, once again they had taken action by sending the Istari to Middle-Earth...and Olorin, one of their own kindred, had succumbed to the darkness and fallen, rising to dominate Middle-Earth with a power that may never end. Surely there would be nothing left for the Valar to do now but call upon Eru Iluvatar for judgement, and remove themselves forever from Arda? Meanwhile, Olorin - Gandalf - would be working towards an ultimate plan to make war on the Lords of the West, open the Gates of Night and bring Melkor back. This, again, would mean the Valar would be forced to judge their Guardianship of Arda to be a failure. They would call for Iluvatar to pass judgement...and thus the End would come. Dagor Dagorath, the final end of the Music of the Ainur.

@liamscienceguy8153

2 жыл бұрын

Oh jeez this comment is INSANE (in a good way)

@palantir6165

2 жыл бұрын

On the other hand, maybe the valar would let him be exactly for the stated reason. Nothing had worked so far, and it was better than Sauron or perpetual war. Also, the elves are almost gone, and most of the host of Amman in the end of the first age was actually just elves (vanya etc.), with some Maiar and Valar as well. So there would probably be less of an incentive for a host of Amman to go and help out, especially when it was not against the previous right hand man of Morgoth but one of their own.

@rykehuss3435

2 жыл бұрын

Olorin is not Valar, he is a Maia. A lesser being compared to Valar. So I wouldnt call him a 'kindred'. Sauron was a Maia too.

@OljeiKhan

2 жыл бұрын

Why would Gandalf (with the Ring) ever want to bring Melkor back? Gandalf in this scenario is still good (tyrannical but in an ends justify the means kind of way) and Melkor is pure evil. He would still hate Melkor with all his heart. He may not even wish to make war on the Valar , so long as they themselves don't come to remove him from power. Wich he wouldn't know of before they actually arrive in Middle Earth with all their forces. At wich point Gandalf would not have time to prepare for an actual war with their armies. He MIGHT choose to stand up to them in person and get obliterated by Tulkas the giga-chad , but he would know that even with the Ring he would be no match to an actual Valar. So best course of action for him in this case would be to vanish with the Ring. This is all assuming the Ring still has power over him. If he can fight and defeat Sauron while wearing the Ring , instead of being dominated , we can assume HE would be dominating the Ring (wich is a part of the power/soul of Sauron) and that means he could also just choose to give the ring to the Valar. Seeing as how they have arrived to bring order into Middle Earth. Wich is exactly what he was using the Ring for.

@rykehuss3435

2 жыл бұрын

@@OljeiKhan I didnt say Gandalf would want to bring Melkor back, I just added that part as a final tidbit. That Morgoth will return and that'll be the end of everything in any case

Whenever there's a struggle for power and land, Sean Bean dies.

@castletreetv149

3 жыл бұрын

Weak!

👏👏👏👏 so good dude!! Damn I'd love to see this play out on screen!! 👏👏👏👏

How come this gold mine of a channel was unknown to me until 2024??....

And so it was that from the lands of Gondor and Rohan there emerged a great host, and their shields were painted black with mourning, for the death of Elessar still weighed heavily upon them. At their head rode the Wizard, Grey no more, for he had also taken on a mourner's raiment and went now in sable, save where the sun struck him just so and a shimmering multitude of colors could be seen, twisting with a seeming life just beneath the ebony cloak. They departed Rohan and passed beyond the Gap, taking roads unknown and northerly to the eyes of Men. But when they arrived upon the Bruinen they were stopped before the fords, and there stood in shining mail the House of Elrond. Its master was there, bearing mighty Aeglos Snow-Point, and at his right side was Arwen Undomiel, whose fairness seemed not dimmed by warlike visage, but instead conferred upon the latter a terrible and fearsome dread that could not be named. At his left side rode Glorfindel, a burning star of emerald upon his brow. "Lo!" said Gandalf, his eyes terrible and bright beneath his brow. "And thus the line of Beren greets its saviors." "Thus it greets the Shadow," answered Elrond, "for Shadow lies heavy indeed upon your words. I heard them at the Crack of Doom."

@AH-yg8xb

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing, please continue. (I read wrong "Lo!" as LoL XD)

@BackcountryForward

3 жыл бұрын

THIS IS GOLD! I feel like I was reading the books themselves! Please continue or link to where you continue!

@christophstrasen1567

3 жыл бұрын

Well done.

@Cordis-Ater

3 жыл бұрын

Excelent, very genuine -feeling

@michelle7410

3 жыл бұрын

I would love to read more of this. :)

Best channel to listen to in-between first and second breakfast

@NerdoftheRings

2 жыл бұрын

Most important meals of the day too!

@FreeSCV

2 жыл бұрын

@@NerdoftheRings an absolute treat to be sure! =)

@stonefox9124

2 жыл бұрын

Best at tea...

@dheijnemans

2 жыл бұрын

No mistake!

What a fun idea! Gandalf would indeed become all he said he would. And it would only take a few well-reasoned instances of using The Ring's power to cement his logic. I would love to see a full story about this alternate timeline :D