Apologies on the delay. House got flooded, new kid and this video idea being stupid led to a whole month without a vid. Aiming for the schedule to go back to normal after dealing with the house stuff and easier videos. Enjoy

@6000.

Жыл бұрын

RIP

@RiggsBF

Жыл бұрын

Please make a video about what if South Africa still had nukes.

@LegitInspectable

Жыл бұрын

I seriously believed this whole video (it's announcements included) was just a joke. And that there was no way it was going to be an actual video.

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

It’s fine it happens you are forgiven

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

7 minutes after upload.

What I find so funny about this map is how they were able to get Africa almost perfect, yet their own continent looked completely wrong 😂

@Kasaaz

Жыл бұрын

It's inertia. People still using the same old maps of their own continent and never really updating them because those are the ones they've always used and so they had to be correct, right? Then making newer ones with better skill and technology for their later discoveries.

@prestonjones1653

Жыл бұрын

@@Kasaaz You would still expect the Swedish to notice there was a gigantic ocean missing from the middle of their country.

@Kasaaz

Жыл бұрын

@@prestonjones1653 Eh, up in those mountains, anything could happen. Maybe it's just a larger than average snowmelt.

@ciaranwilde5629

Жыл бұрын

the big island of the old map (near Africa) is said to be a badly drawn Cuba lol. But it looks similar to some landmass in the Carribean looked like that 12000+ years ago approximately. (end of the last ice age)

@gunargundarson1626

Жыл бұрын

I believe that had something to do with trading existing maps, especially with tribes that existed 1000s of years before European colonization.

Rather than Asia being bigger, I always imagined that Columbus thought the planet was smaller, and the ramifications of *that* would be even more entertaining to imagine.

@TheFranchiseCA

Жыл бұрын

Earth has a lead core, perhaps?

@TV-ge3uj

Жыл бұрын

At least Wikipedia certainly seems to think so as well: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Geographical_considerations Although according to that article, at least Columbus himself believed this different structure as well, believing the distance from the Canary Islands west to Japan to be about 4400 km instead of 19600 km, and if the experts in Spain did not hold those misconceptions, it becomes clear why they advised the crown not to support this folly.

@jonnunn4196

Жыл бұрын

He envisioned both.

@captmoroni

Жыл бұрын

You're right. Columbus did think the world was smaller. That's why he had critics. They knew his math was off.

@vinpap779

Жыл бұрын

@@captmoroni thing is, not everyone thought he was wrong. That belief came from Ptolémée, who took accurate calculation of Earth's size (difference of 500ish km) and redid the math wrong, which lead to a planet 1/3 smaller And then his calculation and maps were considered "the right ones" by the church and it became the defacto mesures and representation of Earth. The only reason that it would get corrected further down the line was through was with the Muslims and access to their maps which were much more detailed than what Europe ever had at that point (whole still being wrong) because the Muslims had used the original Greek texts and calculations to base their models. Also helps that Muslims went really far down on the western African coast and also had contracts with Asia much more often than Europe, so they continuously corrected and updated their maps. Had a really fascinating class in university about the development of geography in Europe and Northern Africa from the Greeks all the way to modern days

I thought this was gonna be "what if america didn't exist and columbus actually did get to the indies", but looking at the belled up fantasy world map is even more fun

@kittykittybangbang9367

Жыл бұрын

same

@CiderVG

Жыл бұрын

Would've preferred if it was that

@xianxiaemperor1438

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Imagine a Futuristic Fantasy story in this world or a Retrofuturistic Fantasy story. That would be amazing ;)

@DevinDTV

Жыл бұрын

woulda been a better video

@tabletgenesis3439

8 ай бұрын

Same

Fun fact, Columbus was very likely aware that he was wrong by the time of his death. However, he was contractually obligated to say that he found a route to Asia, because that was what he had been hired to do.

I had a history professor who thought that Columbus realized pretty quickly that he wasn't in the Indies, but had to insist that he was in Asia to guarantee his position because of his contract.

@K3t4k4t

Жыл бұрын

That's actually a good theory tbh and it makes sense.

@thespanishinquisition4078

Жыл бұрын

@@K3t4k4t No. No it really doesn't. Because Columbus' contract was voided when he was arrested and stripped of all titles, besides which, the crown of castille recognized the new world long before said arrest, and didn't consider it at all part of the contract. Which is actually why it was named after Americo Vespuci, as he was the first scholar to actually describe it. So had columbus accepted the truth, it's likely America would be called Colombia. Yes like the country. So no, he wasn't bound by contract, at all, indeed part of what led to his arrest was how uncooperative and close minded he was. Another big part was just how thoroughly he ignored spanish laws giving rights to the natives and banning practices like enslaving them... He was a very particular man.

@K3t4k4t

Жыл бұрын

@@thespanishinquisition4078 well it wasn't just the contract it was his reputation as well. If he stated he was wrong he'd look like an idiot, so he'd have to make the thing look bigger than it was once he landed in the Caribbean.

@kamm6001

Жыл бұрын

@@thespanishinquisition4078 your phrasing of the second paragraph might be easy to misinterpret, the spanish were the ones giving rights to the natives and banning the enslavement of them, and columbus ignored that

@tomtomtrent

Жыл бұрын

That reminds me of the Portuguese who were instructed to find Christians in India, so when they finally went beyond Muslim territory and discovered a Hindu temple, they reported that it was a church and that the statues of their gods were really of Mary and the saints

You know, for medieval times, it's actually not a terrible map. Without knowing there was a new world, and probably getting your info off the silk road, it makes sense.

@ciphergacha9100

Жыл бұрын

Africa is surprisingly accurate

@lennysmileyface

Жыл бұрын

Medieval maps aren't supposed to be satellite images anyway. The most important part is direction and distance. Like a land map would just be a chain of towns/cities/roads to get somewhere.

@frantisekhajek6775

Жыл бұрын

@@lennysmileyface Yes, the Romans created maps as a metroline, just cities conected by rodes with the distance (in time) writen.

@alyssarichardson2544

Жыл бұрын

Getting your anything from Silk Road was quality assurance though ;)

@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty

11 ай бұрын

It got some areas mostly correct. Back then the silk road was one of the more reliable sources of information.

As a Thai person, you seem to have quite the appreciation for Thai culture, which unfortunately not many other English-speaking history channels seem to appreciate.

@Joker-yw9hl

Жыл бұрын

Love Thailand 🇹🇭🇬🇧

@theonebman7581

Жыл бұрын

Thailand is fascinating but legit criminally underrated

@tomtommerson6320

5 ай бұрын

​@@Joker-yw9hl shoutout to Thailand. Gotta be my favorite gender out there

@theenjoyer1445

4 ай бұрын

oh boy, wait till you learn about passport bros...

@cilantro_4839

2 ай бұрын

@@theenjoyer1445 Was gonna say, there's a subset of guys out there who have a strong appreciation for Thailand

I'd like to see this map in a game similar to Civilization, but with entirely unique empires based on the "lore" of this world.

@charliescales6398

Жыл бұрын

EU4 mod?

@kylejohnson1440

Жыл бұрын

@@charliescales6398 I don't play EU4 but that would definitely work

@shzarmai

4 ай бұрын

same here

The thing about Toscanelli's world map is that he not only believed the ocean to be smaller and Eurasia to be wider, but he also believed that the Earth itself was just straight up smaller than we now know it to be. Back then, there was only a limited amount of accuracy one could get in measuring the diameter of the planet, so it was a more believable hypothesis at the time (believable enough to convince Columbus, at least).

@archiegrishipol

Жыл бұрын

I thought the circumference of the world had been calculated with great accuracy by this point? Wasn't there that Greek bloke with his pillars and their shadows?

@Huojunta

Жыл бұрын

@@archiegrishipol That is true, but the calculations of Eratosthenes were not undisputed at the time. More modern measurements have revealed them to be accurate, but in the time of Columbus it was more difficult to ascertain these calculations, allowing others like Toscanelli to present contrary measurements for the size of the Earth.

@Balsiefen

Жыл бұрын

@@Huojunta My understanding was that the measurements were known and accepted, but there was a confusion between different cultures' definitions of a 'mile' which caused the error, and no-one repeated the experiment to discover it.

@diegorosario2040

Жыл бұрын

I Heard Columbus thought the World was smaller because for him Vegetatation wouldnt come up ashore so often if Asia was that far Away. What he didn't know Is that it actually came from America

@dimanyak373

Жыл бұрын

It's interesting to see if the earth was smaller, maybe we'd get to space earlier as single-stage orbital rockets would be possible.

I love old maps like these, makes me see the world as something mythical. Specially when different cultures have their own records of how the strangers were. Names like Serica, Cathay or Cipango make it looks like from another universe, or how Chinese imagined Romans because they heard about them from others cultures.

@PlatinumAltaria

Жыл бұрын

Chinese and Roman people visited each other.

@kevinagnew1519

Жыл бұрын

I especially like the large lake (equivalent to great lakes) in Georgia that existed for decades

@NaughtiusMaximu5

Жыл бұрын

same, they give me great inspiration for DnD games

@timurthejerk9270

Жыл бұрын

@@NaughtiusMaximu5 this map is probably perfect for DnD close enough to our own to add some of our worlds influences, but far bizarre enough you could add your own

@Potato-yd3hv

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Antillia is super interesting to me, an island in the middle of the Atlantic colonized by eight Visigothic priests escaping the Moorish conquest of Spain.

as an australian, i physically flinched when cody said “brisbane” 😅

@plugmanjohnson7456

Жыл бұрын

Do you come from a land down under?

@Enyavar1

Жыл бұрын

why, did he pronounce it wrong?

@joejoonhoyang

Жыл бұрын

@@Enyavar1 It's pronounced more like "breeze bun"

@Enyavar1

Жыл бұрын

@@joejoonhoyang With a long -eeze? Wow, but I can't argue, we people are picky about pronounciations since the stone age apparently. Also, I still try to wrap my head around Kansaw and Arkansace.

@Emerald_Raven08

Жыл бұрын

@@joejoonhoyang I thought it was "brizz-been".

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how simple, yet cool Cody's animation style is?

@RandomInternetGuy1011

Жыл бұрын

No stfu

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

I?m an atheist. He didn'tcreate it. It exploded into existence. Atheism wins again. Mindlessness-of-the-gaps wins again.

As an Australian, I appreciate the fire overlaid on the map of Australia when you said "Australia isn't exactly the coldest place in the world." It's a nice nod to many of our ecosystems being adapted to fire.

@InnesTahtinen

Жыл бұрын

Also as an Australian, Bris-Bane

@Roxor128

Жыл бұрын

@@InnesTahtinen I was willing to let it slide for the fire bit.

@lachy6178

Жыл бұрын

@@InnesTahtinen All Aussies collectively cringed

@redrainer

Жыл бұрын

@@InnesTahtinen I couldn't help but cringe like nails on a chalkboard

@schad1738

Жыл бұрын

@@InnesTahtinen As a Bris-Bane resident, Please kill me.

Interesting fact, whenever I was doing research for Christopher Columbus for a youtube video I found that during Columbus 4th voyage he was so sure he was in Asia that he threaten any sailor that question him that he would cut their tongue off.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

Learn about Black Legend anti-Spanish propaganda.

@Rynewulf

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the guy was so nuts the Spanish crown imprisoned him, because even the Spanish thought his level of colonies and enslaving was too far

I just dont understand how by the time of columbus, that map got Scandinavia totally wrong. I mean Scandinavia was part of the christian world at that time and regularly interacted with the mainland.

It is pretty interesting to see how people in the ancient world viewed the land around them and only had a limited understanding. It's like playing and old RTS game where parts of the map are just covered with dark shade and you dont know whats out there unless you send a unit to go out and see. Except in real life it could take years, would be expensive, and you didn't know if that scout would ever return

@4realm8rusirius

Жыл бұрын

Also the land you can see in the fog of war is incorrect

@kakyoin9688

Жыл бұрын

@@4realm8rusirius fog of war do be crazy

@Klishar122

Жыл бұрын

As an RTS fan, I approve of this comment.

@LilyoftheLake14

Жыл бұрын

Also similar to ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed and Farcry where you have to climb to a vantage point to unlock that area on the map. Lol

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus !?!?!?!?!

Today's fact: The first person to write about tofu in the English language was Benjamin Franklin.

@foxeon6496

Жыл бұрын

@Eye I havent

@snai1_gutz104

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@deleted-something

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@justsomemajor8923

Жыл бұрын

Just another wacky Ben Franklin fact

@hurgcat

Жыл бұрын

what a whacky little guy he was

What if the "mirror Polynesians" set sail into the big ocean and settled Antilla from the other direction? Assuming they had a similar tech level to Europe and decided to keep going from there, it could be a realistic opportunity for a "sunset invasion".

@bamfingerguns2754

10 ай бұрын

Since the islands of “Polynesia” would be really close to each other, I doubt they would develop or invest as heavily into blue water exploration. It would be really interesting to see though

@wires-sl7gs

5 ай бұрын

@@bamfingerguns2754 You could say the same for Europe too though, nothing about Geography suggests Blue Water Exploration, but both Inland Seas, Peninsulas, and Archipelagos do make developing naval technology rather important if you want to defend yourself from and compete with your neighbors.

@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice

4 күн бұрын

​@@bamfingerguns2754 it's funny when you say this because Europe doing blue water exploration is even more unlikely base on geography 😂

31:06 "Japanese population migrated from Korea around 300BC" - not quite. While it is true that DNA (and culture) shows a strong tie to the Korean population, the migration into Japan created an admixture with the pre-existing populations. This is show by DNA and also by culture, given that the Japanese language is fundamentally different than that of Chinese or Korean.

Alternate history is always interesting to theorize. But even better watching Cody ramble on about it.

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus ?!?!?!?!!

I find it very ironic that such a eurocentric map would lead to a much less eurocentric world

@dontcomply3976

Жыл бұрын

It is more of an Asiacentric map, I'd say

@sadiqahmed4143

Жыл бұрын

@@dontcomply3976 It's more of a Eurasia centric map

@wires-sl7gs

Жыл бұрын

@@sadiqahmed4143 Or perhaps an Indian Centric considering how Cody Stated the Indian Ocean would be the center of the world in this timeline

@sadiqahmed4143

Жыл бұрын

@@wires-sl7gs true enough

I usually skip the sponsor parts of videos, but my god, Cody is cooking up some comedic gold with his Nord sponsorhips

You forgot that Columbus literally thought the earth was pear shaped

@DodgeDart

Жыл бұрын

It might be. The science is inconclusive as of now.

@johnallen6836

3 ай бұрын

@@DodgeDartbro we can see the earth.

@leitt3937

3 ай бұрын

The translation on his statement isn’t great and a little out of context. What he was trying to say was that the earth wasn’t entirely spherical because of what he has observed with star positions on his journeys and he believed there was a bulge of some sort somewhere near the equator… which is true.

@sadham2668

Ай бұрын

@@DodgeDartAre you joking or just stupid?

*frantically scribbles fantasy worldbuilding notes* In all seriousness, as someone who enjoys writing and worldbuilding, these alternate geography videos are really inspiring. Thank you.

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

Felt

@merrittanimation7721

Жыл бұрын

Mood.

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus !?!?!?!?!

Honest to God, the first thing I thought of when I saw that question, my mind immediately went to the obvious: "He actually did land in the Indies." Never did I think it was something else.

@Xedlord

Жыл бұрын

Same

@Merennulli

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Gotta be honest, I don't know what the "oh, you thought I meant..." part was supposed to be. Being the only explorer to be half-a-planet off course is kind of what Columbus is known for.

@starkillersneed

Жыл бұрын

Me too. I expected a video about a world where the New World is never colonized or something

@watchman0062

Жыл бұрын

@@starkillersneed I expected a video where the Americas simply didn’t exist.

@nukesrus2663

Жыл бұрын

@@Merennulli Yeah I'm pretty confused rn tbh

I hope this video gets a follow-up or two. The end segment shows so much potential in exploring this strange new world.

Here's an idea for a video: what if the Iberian union, via wedding, succeded? There's actually 2 instances when this could take place. Some background, for context. In the late 1400's crown princess Isabella of Castille and Aragon was actually wedded to the crown prince of Portugal, Afonso. This didn't last long, because he fell of a horse and died due to the injuries (on a side note, his esquire was a castillian who, after the event, vanished). Later on, the same princess was wedded to the king of Portugal, Manuel. They actually had a child, and she died of childbirth complications. The child would be educated by is grandparents, the catholic kings. Said child would only live 2 years.

0:00 Intro 1:47 How We Viewed The World (Literally) 7:56 Scandia 11:20 Africa 14:06 Sponsor (NordVPN) 16:53 India (and Sundaland) 26:53 A Different Journey 34:39 ideas during editing 36:03 Outro/Patrons

@AlternateHistoryHub

Жыл бұрын

Thank you completely skipped my mind

@GlaceonStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@AlternateHistoryHub No prob.

@peterp4037

Жыл бұрын

It's fascinating how the Spanish could build an empire of that size and the indians fought along side them. I wonder why the scandinavians couldn't do it.

@pyeitme508

Жыл бұрын

@@AlternateHistoryHub lol

@luzellemoller6621

Жыл бұрын

Didn't have to do that there's already chapters -_-

I feel like Cody should do more of these wacky fantasy scenarios.

@cocacola4blood365

Жыл бұрын

Columbus also thought the Earth was shaped like a pear. What if *that* had been true?

@sillypuppy5940

Жыл бұрын

@@cocacola4blood365 Technically Magellan only proved that the world was round, not necessarily a sphere. So it could have been banana shaped. Or we're inside a hollow sphere (gulp).

@cocacola4blood365

Жыл бұрын

@@sillypuppy5940 Gulp indeed. I'd prefer Minecraft, or a rubix cube.

@afz902k

Жыл бұрын

Heck yes I enjoyed the viddie

@mrmarmellow563

Жыл бұрын

AaayaE Eye CAPTIANO #CODY More #MOO PLEACE ‼️😂❤️

Of all your Alternate Geography worlds, this has been the most inspiring to wonder about. My imagination is already running wild with all the implications and consequences. Thanks!

I recall when you did that Collab with Atlas Pro how excited you were by the possibilities in a more occupied Indian Ocean, and it comes up here as well. That concept of a large sea that connects three wholly different continents/cultures that are among the world's oldest and most diverse is really inspiring and kinda addictive

I'm 100% gonna flesh out some of these regions, especially Antilla. The idea of a Visigothic island kingdom in the Atlantic is so weird and cool.

@rimfire8217

Жыл бұрын

good luck

@fatalshore5068

Жыл бұрын

I like the idea of a political story (aka the fall of Rome) set in a huge city on the north coast of the India Isle. That would be the capital and have schemers from all over the place trying to gain an advantage. The city would be the last vestige of a once mighty continent spanning empire

@Potato-yd3hv

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Might base a NationStates nation off of it.

@accidiaet

Жыл бұрын

Where? I really wanna see this

@kringle7804

Жыл бұрын

Make a video

Congrats on the baby Cody! I see things were insane recently for you but we’re glad to hear you doing well

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus !?!?!?!??!!

Great video. As someone who kinda cares about history, I've seen a lot of these old European maps that were just way off, but it'd be interesting to do something similar for old maps from Africa or China or India to see what kinda strange interpretation of Europe they had

"LOW FANTASY!" **yeets map at screen, crashing noise**

The map of the world as Columbus saw it would be a really interesting place to set either a board or videogame in. I'm already imagining a Risk Old Map Edition.

@ffejpsycho

Жыл бұрын

or a screwball comedy/psychological thriller.

@sethleoric2598

9 ай бұрын

I feel like Mount And Blade does this

I love alternate history geography like this, it creates a world which is kind of familiar but still fantastical. Another interesting idea: what if the earth spun in retrograde? What if ocean currents were all reversed? The climate and geography of most of the world would be completely different, and how would that affect societies around the world?

@loke6664

Жыл бұрын

Or if Mars stayed wet and we actually evolved there instead of here. The maps of a wet Mars is really strange looking and a civilization evolving there would be really strange.

@XwX1001

Жыл бұрын

Based on a certain anime: "What if the continents were flipped upside-down?"

@theonebman7581

Жыл бұрын

I once saw a map (I have it saved but, at least now in 2023, KZread doesn't let you share image files on the comments haha) exactly about that Climate zones reverse - the Sahara straight up disappears and is replaced by a temperate savanna; with no Gulf current, Europe and eastern North America are frozen, while the exact opposite happens in eastern Asia - temperate climates extend all the way into Chukotka, while southern China is a desert. South America sees the Atacama desert switch places with the Patagonia, while the Amazon rainforest is afaik largely untouched (but WAY larger because the southern Pampas becomes way more humid); up north, everything from North Carolina to Venezuela is one massive desert, essentially a literal reverse Sahara. Australia also flips It's pretty fascinating *I love alternate geography lmao*

Cody, as a history ed major you have been SO important over the years to me since I've been like 13 years old. Thank you SO much, I'm so glad I can still watch your videos and come back to them seeing new content. It's like a nostalgic happy place. I mean holy shit your videos are the first way I found out about some fundamental historical things like who Trotsky was, simply insane.

I feel like the island of Antillia would already change so much of history. I wish he had just made a video about Antillia

Kinda dissapointed that you didnt even mention that Caspian sea becomes Black sea without Crimea. I feel like you could make another video, explaining Middle East and Siberia and maybe the Indian Ocean becoming center of the world. But I m glad you made this video. It s a great and fun idea to think about.

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus !?!?!?!??!!!

@Donerci_Pikacu_Usta

Жыл бұрын

@@weirdyoutubechannels You made a banner for him? Sure I wanna see that

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

If anyone likes Age of Empires, and maps, I did 2 videos comparing the best maps of the world.

I could imagine a state forming around the bay in between Big Burma and Sundaland, and then spreading north, west, southeast, and northeast to form some kind of alternate East Asian Roman Empire.

@balashibuyeeter2704

Жыл бұрын

Yeah probably some indian empire, but way more thalassocratic I guess.

Not sure why people think Columbus was so silly for thinking he was in asia. Number one, one of the best map makers at the time, Tuscanelli, was the guy who drew the map for Columbus. Basically it was the most up to date map for that time and made specifically for the voyage by a professional map maker. Two, they didn’t have google back then. They didn’t have an answer to everything back then. Keep in mind they didn’t even know there would be another continent there, they didn’t expect there to be a completely brand new landmass as far as they knew the americas didn’t exist. Three, back then if anybody had found the new world, European or Asian or Arab, they have conquered them as well. Earth was a lot more violent back then, so we cannot judge based on our modern morals. We can only learn from the past mistakes and avoid repeating them

@theonebman7581

Жыл бұрын

History and humanity are doomed to be judged by the far future

@ngrader

9 ай бұрын

No Google?... Pfff. Plebs! Next you are going to tell me they didn't have GPS.

@MoldycheeseJr

9 ай бұрын

@@ngrader apparently some people in the modern age are too arrogant to understand that they didn’t automatically know which continent they were on back then so I felt the need to state the obvious to those people

Are you saying I'm the only one that clicked the video expecting the topic to center on geography and not overplayed social commentary?

I wonder could you do a follow up video in regards to ancient explorers? It's even more interesting seeing how Punic and Greek explorers viewed the world outside the Mediterranean sea

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus !?!?!?!??!!!!

I always love these alternate geography videos. Would love to see more alternate history series like you did with Rome!

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus !?!?!?!?

What if... the native Americans went to Europe before Europe went to them...

@Franio_PL123

Ай бұрын

Ck2 Sunset Invasion DLC be like:

Really cool scenario here, I love when you take this alternate maps and run wild with them, they make some of my favorite videos from you!

Its so cool to me seeing my country, Cabo Verde, in such old maps. Its actually letting me know of some part of our story I did not know. It sometimes is not shown in current maps due to the correction of the dimensions. Its much smaller than it looks compared to Africa. At the time, given its importance to the slave trade it had to show on maps.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

Italians discovered Cape Verde, not the Porko geese.

I love alternate geographies. Hope to see more of these, from you Cody.

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus !?!?!?!??!!!

@justinambru8529

Жыл бұрын

@@weirdyoutubechannels That small one?

6:29 bruh, tell me how he says “I’m making this up. I’m going off a cliff. Help me” and it cuts to a commercial 🤣 Perfect timing!

Now I'm wondering what Columbus and his crew would have done if they'd miraculously had an accurate world map…with or without the Americas, maybe with the Caribbean.

@blondie8265

Жыл бұрын

He would continue discovering America in the same way, but embark on a different place further south. Maybe in Brazil? (If the map didn't have the Americas)

@alexandrevieira2410

5 ай бұрын

Would it change something? He got to the americas in real life tho

I like the idea that sipengu was connected to Asia during the ice age leading to many people with similar cultures to the American natives having to fend off Polynesian raids like the Europeans and Vikings

I mean, they also didn’t know that Antarctica existed, so they could help make up for a small amount of the water lost to a more full pacific.

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

True

@sadiqahmed4143

Жыл бұрын

Oh Terra Australis Can just say hi I am interested in the Arctica this world has a strange Greenland place

I really appreciate this video for helping me think through alt-history based on maps of a fantasy world I'm making. "What is the world like because of the actual geography" "What are the politics of the people living in various areas" "What do the people know of the world?" "Are their maps accurate" Great video all and all

It would be really interesting if someone did decide to make a fantasy series based on this world's geography

Man this is such an interesting concept. I'd LOVE to see a sequel talking about more stuff in this wildly interesting alternate earth. Another thing is the speculative evolution in this world would go HARD with all the islands and the Sundaland rainforest.

Didn't he also think the world was wayyy smaller? So you could have the same size asia just by shrinking the Pacific? If you need some displacement of water just increase the Atlantic.

@PlatinumAltaria

Жыл бұрын

If the planet were smaller that would have WAY bigger effects. And no, he didn't think the Earth was smaller.

@TheFranchiseCA

Жыл бұрын

@@PlatinumAltaria If the core has more lead in it, that would help. But then we'd have more lead on the surface anyway, and that's a problem.

@PennyAfNorberg

Жыл бұрын

Sure he did and people told he was wrong to....

@Merennulli

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Columbus did think the Earth was smaller in addition to having the east coast of Asia off by a ludicrous amount. He used Al-Farghani's estimates of the Earth's circumference then converted them as if Al-Farghani were using Roman miles (1.48km/0.92 miles) but Al-Farghani was using Arabian miles (2.16km/1.34 miles). And he picked Al-Farghani's estimate because it was 56.67 (Arabian) miles at the equator instead of the more widely accepted (and accurate) 59.5 nautical miles. Then he converted the outcome he got to nautical miles, resulting in an imaginary Earth 25% smaller. And it wasn't entirely accidental either. He WANTED to believe the journey was possible so he cherry picked what estimates gave him the best sounding result. Paolo dal Pozzo Toscanelli separately had used the writings of Marco Polo to modify the work of Ptolemy, but also incorporating earlier work by Marinus of Tyre to sort of un-correct what Ptolemy had corrected. The sum of those changes was Asia growing 5,000+ miles eastward. Toscanelli corresponded with Columbus and was also a major proponent of the expedition Columbus would eventually go on.

@PlatinumAltaria

Жыл бұрын

@@Merennulli The way you should have been tipped off that this isn't correct is that you just said that the guy knowingly sailed to his death... You said he wanted to believe it was possible, and I guess he was willing to die to prove it? The size of the Earth has been known accurately for thousands of years, and has never been in serious dispute due to how easy it is to calculate. On the other hand, measuring a continent that barely any Europeans have visited is hard.

This was really well thought out. Just wanted to take a moment and say thank you for putting the effort in on this!

Cartographers in Europe at the time probably really tried. The guys that hired Columbus would’ve put together all the maps, geographic and meteorological studies, trade and travel records, and astronomical charts and such that they could find, buy and translate (which contrary to atheist belief, there were many such resources available especially at the time or the renaissance which, as the name suggests, was a total recovery from a lack of such resources; the most famous example came from a certain Catholic priest Queen sings about), figured out there were tropical archipelagos to the southwest and told Columbus “this is the East Indies. We need you to slap a landing and establish a tribal labor supply on these islands sharpish” and he left with his Latin Catholic bros to make one of the most bittersweet discoveries of the last 500 years and one of the greatest transportation milestones of the last 5000.

I get why you said it the way you did but the way you said Brisbane killed a part of my soul

@dontcomply3976

Жыл бұрын

Is it the bane of your existence? I'll see myself out

With how polished he makes his alt geography maps, I wish I knew if someone has blanks online so we can try our hand at alternate world building.

Now I wanna make a D&D campaign in this world.

14:09 So, happy you brought this up (even in passing). I adore this prehistoric creature so much, I oft imagine an alternate universe where these giant lemurs were allowed enough time on their island paradise habitat to evolve into a convergent design to humans. Smart and extremely communal tool-users.

while watching the scandinavian part i got an idea, what if history happened exactly how it was portrayed in the show vikings?

@ado6693

Жыл бұрын

Well history pretty much did happen the way vikings portrayed it

@NeroPiroman

Жыл бұрын

@@ado6693 for start, kategat never existed, ube wasnt the one to discover vinland, the rus never invaded norway, vikings knew about the existance of britain long before ragnar, in the show bjorn never becsme the king of sweden, etc

My favorite D&D setting takes place in an alternate 1366 and takes the premise that the Hereford Mappa Mundi was totally accurate (and also that monsters and magic invaded our earth in 366 and was responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire).

@TheWizardDudeguy

3 ай бұрын

Romans be like: Them barbarians are changing, what the fuck did we do that the Christ has forsaken us

The pronunciation of Brisbane left me dead as an Aussie

As soon as I saw this map, I thought it would make for a great EU4 mod, and you reference it in the vid. Noice

This is truly the dumbest and most extensive thing I've seen in a while. Great work, Cody, I love this video and it's amazing.

To be honest I'm inspired by how people of the past imagined the world to worldbuild my own world for something I'm writing. Also this is basically the setting of a gam I'm working on, so kinda funny lol. Great video, it's kind of great to look on the past and how people saw the world back then.

And here I was thinking this video was going to be about how Columbus got his math wrong and thought the world was less than half as large as it is.

It's actually a great idea for a "What if?" Mod for EU4 or Crusader Kings 3. I might even steal the map for a roleplay setting: Alt Terra? _Alterra_ ... Nice ring to it.

Fun video! These speculative geography videos are always interesting and fun to talk about Many things to work with for fictional works as well

With out the change of the map if Columbus landed on the east coast of America (say Georgia for example) There would be a chance he thought he was in "Japan" and so instead of calling people Indians the word Cipangu might have been used to describe the people there.

@jonnunn4196

Жыл бұрын

GA is actually the center of the zone least likely place on America for someone to first discover from Europe; it's both too close to 30 degrees latitude (which was avoided due to frequent calm winds) and also further West. Basically the major alternate to the Caribbean was Newfoundland and then sail west from there to Canada and then Southwest; but that was much easier to travel under sail the opposite direction.

@dontcomply3976

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't Cipangu look more like Taiwan than Japan?

@weirdyoutubechannels

Жыл бұрын

see my banner for Columbus !??!?!?!?!!

@doomfan8603

Жыл бұрын

@@dontcomply3976 You mean China proper?

Ouaaa I think this is one of the best video you ever did, I love the subject, the way you did it, presented it and you scenario. Congratulation you did a really nice jobs there, I would like a part 2 going more into some history of some of those civilization, i'm particularly exited about the one of east Asia like China, Japan and India. Continue like this.

i love your videos please make even longer ones it's a good format

I love how the oldest globe map literally painted the red sea red xD

Based on the latitude of Cipangu on those Marco Polo maps, I always figured it was the Philippines and not Japan. But I guess the spelling is closer to that of Japan with the "pan" in there.

Going through alternate or entirely made up maps always makes me appreciate more how beautiful the real world map is

In the naval museum of Madrid there the first map representing America the oldest preserved ; seen for the first time and drawn Juan de la Cosa in 1.500 in one of the trips of Columbus that the made of lookout.He was the first to see land when he saw it in 1.492. On one of his trips Columbus he wrote that it is was not a Cipango but a new land; so he said when he reached the mouth of the Orinoco

I don't want to live in an alternate universe where not only Columbus was right where he landed. Why? Because the absence of New World foods would make world cuisine very dull in taste (example: no tomatoes for Italian cuisine).

@erraticonteuse

Жыл бұрын

Not only taste but also nutrients. Potatoes are a total game-changer. When the Irish under British subjugation were in extreme poverty and dependent on potatoes as almost their only food, they were still some of the healthiest, strongest people in Europe. Tons of wars were only possible because potatoes could travel farther than any other vegetable. The Inca bred potatoes to grow in almost any kind of soil, opening previously barren swathes of Afro-Eurasia to cultivation. Potatoes are magic.

Cody, why didn't I hear "This is cody from alternatehistoryhub"? I'm crying and shaking in my corner how could cody do this

28:20 map of the island from the tv series 'Lost', love it

Western Hemisphere: *Left the chat* Europe: Got some tumor goin on Africa: 4 year old scribbled on a map Asia: Google doc pics stretched out

If you plan to do more of these, I'd suggest going with the Greeks version of the world, especially with the mythology that came to affect the world today, even with ww2. Also, with the kasierreich video, possibly expansion onto other mods in hoi4 you cover fe2 briefly, but it would be great if you could go in depth. TNO, TWR, and Red flood would be great starters. Love your videos, though, for original content, just a fan for seeing new interpretations.

@Enyavar1

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean the Erastothenes map? You can find it on Wikipedia. Sounds equally interesting: No China or Scandinavia, tiny Africa, Northeast passage into India around Tartaria-Scythia-Sarmatia is possible. Alexander conquered half the old world, too. Eurasia would be so much smaller, allowing for much closer cultural connections and rivalries. Land war in Asia would be possible, even. And on the other side of the world there would be the huge unexplored and unsettled Americas. So imagine Columbus landing in a truly empty continent... where no natives ever eradicated the megafauna. The new world would be known as the land of monsters. With nobody to exploit or trade with, and dangerous untamed monsters "everywhere" the Europeans would be hesitant to establish colonies or outposts. What for? None of the plants would have been known, so even if there was an ur-potate or ur-maize: Guys like Columbus wouldn't have been patient enough for that. The only people interested in colonizing would have been.... hm... Pilgrim-like people, but not the wimps from the mayflower. Maybe "dragonhunters", going for megafauna trophies.

You should do a video on the islands that in classic maps appear in the North Atlantic that don't appear in real life.

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

Seconded.

@sadiqahmed4143

Жыл бұрын

Thirded

I love this video. I wish there could be a miniseries on the lore/history of this world.

Me in my alternate history mind didn’t even think about you trying to justify columbus’ actions, I immediately knew what you meant what he thought the world looked like

I have no idea how this world would work, but you did inadvertantly help me flesh out some of the background stuff in my book

Fantastic video! This might be one of my favourites of yours yet. In the end the possibilities are indeed endless.

I thought Columbus, in addition to having that whacky map, also thought the world was pear shaped.

The trend of old cartographers just making stuff up is always pretty funny, like they just decide "Yeah they're probably an island here, IDK" and condemn countless explorers to finding it.

I really hope this change of geography would make vikings with helmets with horns a reality. I miss them.

I think one topic that could be explored more with this scenario is that none of the new world crops that were introduced to Europe by the Columbia Exchange exist. No chocolate, no tomatoes, no potatos, no corn. Food and food culture would be very different. Plus of course you have no USA so no American Revolution and therefore no French Revolution. No French Revolution means no Napoleon and that means no German Unification. It’s questionable if the Enlightenment would even happen in this timeline. So many possibilities and alterations.

the red sea actually being red in the old map is hilarious

14:36 "It's ok Jimmy, I'm not a virus at all. I'm just a KZreadr, which is an entirely different disease" Lol

not to mention any flora and fauna would be vastly different. there would be no nightshades, so no eggplant, tomato, potato, tobbacco or anything in that family. alot of tropical plants would also be extremely tough plants due to harsh weathers they sustain.

@skeven0

Жыл бұрын

also the the globe Cody mentioned is called Erdapfel, thats a word for Potato in German,

I think an interesting question is, what if Columbus just died and there were no survivors. Would Europeans give up trying to cross the Atlantic?

@PlatinumAltaria

Жыл бұрын

As long as people thought Asia was right there, people were going to try and get to it across the Atlantic.

@peterwindhorst5775

Жыл бұрын

No. The British were planning to do it as well. John Calbot and Hudson would go west and find it.

@godemperorofmankind3.091

Жыл бұрын

vikings already discovered Americas. Eventually someone else would have sailed in that direction and gotten there, even by accident

When I clicked on this video I was just expecting a "what are the ramifications of a world that's smaller and shaped like a pear like Colombus believed." But this works too! Feel sorry for the poor souls who assumed option B in this A B or C

these are my favorite types of videos tbh always interesting