"Everyone's first fight sucks" I smiled because that's totally true, my first competition was a karate point fight, I was 15, my opponent was 17, I was white belt, he was a brown belt, my guard was wider than old school boxing stance and the guy realised (probably because all his kicks were getting in easy) and he KO'ed me with an spinning hook kick (ushiro ura mawashi) straight to the nose and... sleep, I dreamed of Speedy Gonzales 😁

@saawysorenson4585

Жыл бұрын

You absolutely took me back to the past right now, on my first karate competition I went will all my friends, back then all around 11 years of age, with our white and yellow and whatever color of the rainbow belts to the mat I thought we were gonna compete, just for me alone to be dragged away out of the 9-11 bracket, and thrown in the 12-15 one since I was 2 days 12 already and similar to you, my first fight was a 15yo brown belt. I spend the whole fight just covering my face, the idea of offensive never crossed my mind even though in a point match it wouldnt be such a bad one, altough looking back a lot of kids won their fight by just making the other kid cry, and in a similar fashion I was dragged out crying after the bigger kid beat the crap out of my arms.

@yoosilviu

Жыл бұрын

@@saawysorenson4585 I didn't have a chance to cry 😅😂😂😂 (insert windows shut down sound)

@antonioyeats2149

Жыл бұрын

Not everyone's xD I've seen some guys open up like goddamn experts. My first fight sucked and that's alright but it certainly isn't everyone xD

@jamoR72

Жыл бұрын

Um...you realize that no one dreams when kaoed right? it's just blank and then your back in whatever position you were left in remembering you were in the middle of a fight...nice try

@MrShadowbite

Жыл бұрын

Why would they put you... a white belt with a brown belt?

The story I've heard about Chuck and Bruce was that they had met earlier and perhaps trained with each other. When Bruce needed a main opponent in his next movie he phoned Chuck and asked him. Chuck answered "So kid, how do you figure that fight will go?" to which Bruce answered "Oh, I'm playing the hero in this film, so I win."

@antonioyeats2149

Жыл бұрын

Man I stg those old heads just understood fiction better xD Stan Lee said the same damn thing

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee was just a Batgirl or cat girl of the past. He would have played those roles perfectly today

@yogurt_junior

Жыл бұрын

He upstaged both Adam West and Burt Ward when guest starring as Kato in an episode of TV Batman

@waltersimmons946

Жыл бұрын

@@yogurt_junior That was easy Bruce knew some moves . West and Ward were stiffs.

@waltersimmons946

Жыл бұрын

Chuck Norris could never call Bruce "kid" they were both born in 1940.

When you say someone can beat Jackie Chan, do you mean inside a fully stocked warehouse or in a boxing ring?

“If I tell you I am good, you will say I am bragging.But if I tell you I am no good, you will know that I am lying “.-Bruce Lee.

And also watch the interview with Joe Lewis stating how much better of a fighter that he became after training with Bruce Lee how many professional championships Joe Louis won after that Joe was extremely impressed with Bruce Lee's methods of fighting

@cuzz63

Жыл бұрын

True but Joe stated that Bruce wasnt a fighter. When I trained with Joe he was still teaching things Bruce taught him. Chuck never did that..

@arjunna2364

Жыл бұрын

@@cuzz63 you trained with Joe Lewis? What else did he tell about bruce lee? How good was bruce lee?

@henryb1555

Жыл бұрын

Joe Lewis was a real hard man. Full contact world Karate champ. Chuck was not a full contact Karate champion. Joe would have maimed Bruce. I was a Bruce Lee fanatic when I was a kid. It hurts but it is true to say that the myth is powerful, the reality humbling.

@crisstoff89

9 ай бұрын

They never spared , they only did a few drills , he even mentions that Bruce wasnt the superhuman everyone believed to and he did had flaws in his fighting method but he did admit he was quick

@timmy6588

5 ай бұрын

I don't think so, Bruce had the ability, he also trained Joe. They were at least equal in the time they were together @@henryb1555

"I’m not in this world to live up to your expectations and you’re not in this world to live up to mine." - Bruce Lee

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Who cares he was a fake

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Greeks invented all the sayings. Asians just copied off of Greeks. Just like the world. Everyone wants to be a Greek.

@cyborgchicken3502

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed your existence is fake

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@cyborgchicken3502 I would make you straight. Fact!

@joeyfigueroa4748

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeedbeing a martial artist doesn’t make you a fake. He just wasn’t a fighter. He advocated for the healthy lifestyle and discipline martial arts can bring. He never advocated for getting into fights. He was a martial artist and an actor. Not a fighter. So again, that doesn’t make him a fake.

Maybe Bruce Lee could beat Jackie Chan, but he couldn't kill him! I mean, if he didn't die after all his failed stunts, the man is immortal! XD

@jestfullgremblim8002

Жыл бұрын

True, true.

I gotta say, Jackie Chan is underrated here. I have no idea how much real fight experience he has, but we know he's pretty familiar with pain and is very athletic. He's suffered a lot of injuries all over his body and can continue filming. He can probably take a punch pretty well.

@harrisdupree3323

Жыл бұрын

Add to that the fact that his stunt team actually throw fairly hard during the fight scenes.

@davidlawrence9289

Ай бұрын

ask Benny the Jett , his interview about jackie was very telling

I love how real you are in this type of videos. Bruce Lee was an amazing person on so many levels, no doubt. That doesn't make him invincible though.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

He wasn't amazing and fighting because if he was he would be doing it on a professional level to prove himself. So the one thing that he wanted us to believe he was amazing and he wasn't. He was just a ballerina

@deedumeday518

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed Oh, to imagine I would find you again in another channel... Harry buddy, I think you have something against Asians, yes?

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@deedumeday518 honestly, I don't give a flying s*** what you think or what anyone thinks. If I did I wouldn't be on the internet.

@deedumeday518

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed that's a good mindset to have, especially when you are spewing your bullshit everywhere, God of Sneed

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@deedumeday518 everything I say is true . Not one word is lies. You are the one that just admitted to harassing me. Many times before. If what I say is bul you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Now go F yourself 😊👍 And stop hiding your comments.

Don't know if Dolph Lundgren counts, he was more of a martial artist in real life then on film. Being a serious kyokushin fighter and huge I guess that wouldn't even be fair.

@jasonalexander845

Жыл бұрын

I was curious to see if someone would mention Dolph. I think he would beat just about every other martial arts actor.

@planetmayhem2012

Жыл бұрын

was just about to comment on this. agree that dolph beats all martial arts actors mentioned above. size, actual competition, european champ if i'm not mistaken

Regardless of how skilled Bruce Lee may or may not have been he was absolutely tiny. Size is a huge advantage.

@gatorcroc7212

Жыл бұрын

I always wonder why do ppl only class Bruce at only 135? It was recorded that he did max out at 170lbs.? I'd say 170 is a good mid weight; i.e. Gergoe St Pierre in his competition is 170. I wouldn't call him tiny.

@antonioyeats2149

Жыл бұрын

@@gatorcroc7212 i would be super interested in your sources man

@paulpolito2001

Жыл бұрын

I agree completely. I have respect for Lee - as he was, ya know? He had a very basic grasp of grappling (especially ground fighting), and was of below average size… though he had excellent conditioning and his walking weight was lean muscle. Any well-rounded, natural 170+ MMA practitioner would just maul the dude. Hell, Lee knew these things & was actively improving his grapple game. That drive to better himself and his (imho) cohesive philosophy are why I respect Bruce Lee, more than his fighting prowess.

@martinterrizzi515

Жыл бұрын

@@antonioyeats2149 His highest weight was 160 , lowest 125 in enter the dragon .

@martinterrizzi515

Жыл бұрын

Correct , but you can have size and can’t fight a lick.

Jean Claude Van Damme actually has a kickboxing background too. There even is a win/loss list on his wikipedia page.

@Gamerfan2000

Жыл бұрын

@Trevor James Well you did make an compelling argument. I didn't really take into consideration the citations, I just came across and took them at face value. Anyway, I do still believe though, that prime Van Damme wasn't just an actor but a legit Martial Artist, or at the very least somebody who could hold his own in a real fight. Thank you still for clarifying though.

@sycofya1677

Жыл бұрын

@@Gamerfan2000 agreed, i think a prime van damme would beat a prime bruce lee

@DavidHughesKJN

Жыл бұрын

@@Gamerfan2000 Back in Europe during that time period, even the light contact matches were called “kickboxing”. It’s been pretty well documented that JCVD never did any full contact kickboxing matches and this was even brought up in a court case between Frank Dux and JCVD and neither he or his legal team disputed that. Since Ramsey brought up the Viking Samurai site, he did a video addressing this and despite him being a HUGE fan of JCVD, his video addresses that JCVD only did point sparring and that it was called “kickboxing” in Europe during that era (though he did make point sparring sound like it was tougher than it was, despite the fact that he criticized guys like Michael Jai White for doing the same). JCVD has a legitimate second degree black belt in Shotokan. He has done at least some cross training in, though no competition in Kickboxing. He is athletic and flexible and in good physical shape. He does have pretty decent experience in point sparring and overall good form in his kicking.

@VikingSamurai

Жыл бұрын

I extensively covered Van Damme's fights here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2x1l9aShbfaYdY.html

@eiriktm

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, according to Jeff Langton in the viking samurai interview, the karate point fighting back then was not like modern point fighting, as they'd go full contact and could win by knock out as well as by points.

Seriously though, I think it’s important to assume each fighter gets to train for the fight. I’m talking about a full camp. In that scenario you nailed it on size(Norris,Van Damme, Yen, Seagal) deciding the outcome. Bruce said that all other things being equal,a good big man beats a good little man every time. The guys that are closer to Bruce’s size all get housed with Jaa giving Lee the most trouble because of his style and apparent willingness to take a lot of damage. Possible to say that for Chan as well but he’s said plenty of times that Lee would have easily beaten him. It’s all speculation tho because there is still the story about Sammo challenging Bruce because he didn’t like the way his “Enter the Dragon “ scene made him look. Jackie said Sammo wouldn’t take off his sunglasses for days afterwards and Sammo was a lot bigger than Bruce. I’m inclined to think Bruce Lee’s training ethic would give him an edge in his weight class and his tricky thoughtful style could give him an edge over anyone in da streets. Be safe

@loklokoppa9255

Жыл бұрын

I believe Donnie would give Bruce a run for his money as well. One of the few fighters on this list that includes some ground and pound.

@thereviewartistrrp5493

Жыл бұрын

I heard a lot of martial art champions from his era and they claim he could beat them all no matter what size they were. The problem with people in today's world they believe size matters they all believe that. That creates limitations. If you believe size matters then it does. I'm surprised that people talk about Bruce lee not being a fighter. That is not entirely true. He was not a professional. Big difference. The claims have been made how he beat them in all on sparring no matter how big they were.sparring does matter. If you can't hit him in sparring. Why would it be different in a real fight. Joe louis watch his videos. Watch Chuck norris videos. Bruce was untouchable. Plus he knew how to harness more power. Then most people. This guy didn:t do enough research. He did some.

@itubecollection1623

Жыл бұрын

@@thereviewartistrrp5493 they sleepin on Bruce Lee...they can't believe that such a small guy defied the fhysics of the human body...

@thereviewartistrrp5493

Жыл бұрын

@@itubecollection1623 Thank you. Im surprised at how many people discredit him for being small but he was special.

@AveSicarius

Жыл бұрын

@@thereviewartistrrp5493 Dude, size ABSOLUTELY matters, it's basic physics. I don't care how well trained you are, if you are half the size of Francis Ngannou, what exactly are you going to do to him? The power of belief doesn't change that. Also, not being able to hit him? Do you understand how every fight plays out? If you want to hit me you are going to be in range for me to hit you back, unless you have a significant reach advantage. If you don't, and I'm bigger than you, I can strike you even when you retreat. Speed doesn't somehow magically protect you from being hit unless you just run away. Many strikes NEED to be checked precisely because you cannot just avoid them if you are in range. People claim that he could beat them out of respect, particularly post-humous respect now. It's not an indication of anything, and it doesn't replace real-world evidence. What we do know is Gene Labell carried Bruce around like a child when he challenged him. What does that demonstrate? That a bigger, stronger Judoka could EASILY manhandle Bruce, and you want to tell me a guy the same size and weight as him could have done that in the same way? Talking about doing research while blurting such blatant BS is what's ironic.

Did you guys see the interview where Georges St-Pierre talked about using several concepts and techniques he learned from Bruce Lee? The video's title is "GSP talks explains how karate and Bruce Lee help his wrestling". Anderson Silva also, has mentioned using Bruce's techniques several times!

@RRTNZ

Жыл бұрын

Both GSP and Silva would comfortably wipe the floor with Bruce Lee.

@stephanwatson7902

Жыл бұрын

@@RRTNZ Of course they would, they both have a size advantage and are more skilled, but they both use things from Bruce Lee and I'm simply pointing that fact out...calm down

@RicksonPL

Жыл бұрын

look, many people started doing Martial Arts because of films with Bruce, it is a fact. Did Anderson Silva use BL techniques? To win his fights, he was using MT, BJJ rather than WC or JKD.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Just a bunch of nonsense.

@DavidHughesKJN

Жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee was a great conceptual martial artist and a visionary for his era. He was also inducted into the BLACK BELT Hall Of Fame as the Instructor Of the Year for 1972. Lee made some legitimate contributions in terms of philosophy on the martial arts, though there were others during his era and even before him that took it much further and in greater depth. He did have the largest public platform for this though. Lee also did make some contributions in terms of technical advances that are still used by elite fighters and coaches today. He was the first to adapt the weapon first concept from fencing into punching with his non-telegraphic lead straight or what Jhoon Rhee and his student Muhammad Ali called the “accupunch.” He also made great strides in the advancement of the use of set point control in stand up striking. Joe Lewis, who lived many decades longer than Lee took these concepts much further and shared with the next generation of fighters and coaches and obviously others took the ball and ran with it, but much of the early ground work was set up by Lee’s early work. Lewis said of Lee that he “was a great teacher and an actor, not a fighter.” Many people who actually have a real fighting background are so annoyed by the cult of Bruce Lee fans and their obnoxious worship of their mythical superhuman character, that they don’t give the actual man the credit that he deserves. They annoy me too, but Lee didn’t create the Bruceploitation industry and all of it’s fan fiction.

"such a massive weight advantage" 😁... He would eat Bruce Lee's punches and Bruce as well.

I've tried to think alot about this subject from a rational standpoint. There is no doubt that Bruce was very capable martial artist. He did have real traditional training and fight experience. He then evolved some old styles into technique that MMA uses today. I would say, if you threw him in the mix without any warning of MMA based on just his movie experience, he would lose. But...if you have him some time to prepare for the fights, and he gained fight experience in the octagon, he could probably top his weight class. He would be competitive.

@thereviewartistrrp5493

Жыл бұрын

He had fight experience he started with many of the top martial artist of his time. Just not professionally. No one could touch him in his prime. No matter how big they were. He developed a technique so he could harness a lot more power. Plus he didn't telegraph his punches. Plus he was the fastest man that ever lived. Their is plenty of testimonies. Church out Joe Louis videos a heavy weight martial art champion. He learned from him. He teaches about how Bruce became so fast and powerful. Plus you can't hit bruce from what their saying and if you can't hit someone let alone clean. How you gonna knock him out? Size only matters if the skill level is the same. But that is an illusion. There is no such thing as equal skill. Bruce lee knew way too much. Why do you think he train with Chuck Norris. To get better. He was different. Another example is Rocky Marciano. 190 pound heavy 5-11 short arms. Undefeated. One of the biggest hitters of his time. Granite chin and was very slippery and smart. People now days discredit him. Old school fighters were by far tougher and had way more endurance. They use to battle it out for 30 rounds. Rocky in his prime would destroy anthony joshua. Rocky would destroy andy ruiz. I even think he might be able to beat Wilder. I lean more towards tyson fury winning but that is only because of his skill and size. Watch his fight. He was amazing. Bruce studied everything from the beginning of time. People in modern times act like the past doesn't exist. Do actually their skill level has suffered because of it. Bruce lee cherry picked. He only used what he need. He also could grabble. Boone ever talk about that. In olden times they didn't believe that size matters like they do today. That's all anybody ever talks about. Bruce lee was like hitting a piece of metal. Not these bloated up fighters of today. He had 2 percent body fat. Just rock. Size didn't matter for him.

@Sumbolon3301

Жыл бұрын

This is based on fuckin nothing...

@stevo62ful

Жыл бұрын

@@thereviewartistrrp5493 spoken like a true fanboy. There are mixed things said by the other martial artists. Joe Le Lewis for example, thought Bruce was fast and powerful but didn't know if he could take a punch. Your assertion that Hitting Bruce was like hitting a piece of metal is purely fanboy wishful thinking with no proof to back it up. Joe also said Bruce was not a fighter, but a great teacher. There have been several guys on these BL threads that knew Joe personally, and they say Joe thought he would have beaten Bruce in a real fight. He also says he never sparred with Bruce nor seen him spar. Chuck norris Gene Le BEll, Bob Wall and even Dan Inosanto have mixed things to say that do not fit your superhuman narrative. The ones that do say nothing but positive accounts of Bruce ,e.g. Jim Kelly, give no details to back up their assertion. None of us know the truth as Bruce has no proven fights. Without those we can only speculate.

@thereviewartistrrp5493

Жыл бұрын

@@stevo62ful I'm not a fan boy. I just bruce willis is adaptable. Also he was like 2 percent body fat. He created his own martial art. Don't you think he would learn to adapt. Your just hating

@stevo62ful

Жыл бұрын

@@thereviewartistrrp5493 I like Bruce but I don't let my emotions get in the way of facts. your wildest claim is that hitting Bruce is like hitting a piece of metal. Even if all the other claims are true, his achilles heel would be getting hit. Let's say a hard hitter like George Foreman struck Bruce or Andre the Giant, who is likely to be hurt the most ? He was fast sure but there are others that may be faster. In the meaningless Vic Moore speed test he is throwing punches at thin air as they were short of hitting Vic. Thomas Hearns threw a right cross that demolished Roberto Duran that looked at least as fast, and was thrown with power not flicking into thin air. I know it hurts you over zealous fans but the cold hard fact is that Bruce is unproven as a fighter. I was disappointed too when I learned this, but it is what it is.

Hi Ramsey, I have a question about performance anxiety. Is there a crossover between different types of performances? For example, if someone had a decent amount of experience performing live music, but had never competed in a combat sports setting, or vice versa, would their experience performing in front of people in one discipline translate to the other? I’m curious to hear your opinion as someone who is both a musician and a combat sports athlete. Cheers from Australia 🙂

@Dale_The_Space_Wizard

Жыл бұрын

I was worried where this was comment was going after reading the first sentence. :)

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

It won’t make you worse.

@avyaktapurush1824

Жыл бұрын

Jajajajajaja

Thanks so much for answering my question, coach!!!! Literally the best birthday present I got this year! :D :D :D It seems like you had just as much fun making the video as I had watching it. What a great cherry on top it would be if it helped with those evil KZread bots putting you down lately!

When you said “Steven Seagal could eat…” I really expected you to finish with “Bruce.”

@arjunna2364

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Steven seagal is a joke. He can't even do a proper Swift move in movies and how is he gonna do it in real life?

I know he doesn't count, but Randall "Tex" Cobb is a boxer/kickboxer turned actor. He has a win vs Leon Spinks, and losses to Earnie Shavers and Ken Norton. So he was probably the most dangerous actor in Hollywood.

@lorenzogalassi3311

Жыл бұрын

Excellent; Randall " Tex" Cobb was truly formidable; he was a professional boxer with a really pretty good pro record. He also appeared in the Chuck Norris show "Walker Texas Ranger" and I laughed at the thought that he would lose against Chuck when in reality he would have won Tex Cobb clearly !!!!!

Bruce Lee was 145 soaking wet so somebody like Michael Jai White would destroy Bruce. Everyone needs to stop being delusional about him being unbeatable and get more realistic about it

@keroncelestine

Ай бұрын

Muhammad Ali fought and won against opponents that were bigger than him so what u saying doesn't make sense

@axelstone3131

Ай бұрын

🤣 jai white fanboy

Man, I misread the title and thought you meant what if he fought all of them AT ONCE. That would make for a much shorter video, I guess.

@antonioyeats2149

Жыл бұрын

Would also be cool though xD

@jestfullgremblim8002

Жыл бұрын

If it were Chuck Norris versus all of them, it would still be unfair. They wouldn't stand a chance.

This would actually be very interesting to watch! lmao In their Prime, my List would be: 1.) Chuck Norris, 2.) Jean Claude Van Damme, 3.) Jackie Chan, 4.) Donnie Yen, not sure the rest.

@gregperman

Жыл бұрын

Dolph Lundgren would probably win. Huge guy, experienced Kyokushin black belt

sorry he was a martial artist first and utilized his skills to become an actor, correction lee didn't want to be called a star because it is not tangible, he wanted to be evaluated based on his acting skills based on the interviewer's question, he viewed himself a martial artist first

Ramsey, you have the courage to speak the truth. Bruce Lee had no interest in excelling as a sports competitor. He devoted himself to self defense techniques and, in that regard, he claimed his most dangerous technique was his finger jabs to the eyes. Because, after he blinds you, the rest of the fighting will go his way. He appeared fast and technically skilled so eye gouging would be a very good way to defeat his opponents...myself included.

@counterstrike89

Жыл бұрын

He really doesn't,, he's just upset that he doesn't have natural coordination and talent, and people that don't have that natural talent get really mad at someone that does, because people like that no matter how much you practice by just sheer reflexes they can beat you. This has nothing to do with fighting Gary Elms, it has to do with the countless fights Bruce was in as said by family members for years of his upbringing.

I think Bruce Lee vs Taimak would be interesting (the dragon vs the last dragon). Michael Jai White I think could beat Bruce but in maybe a showcase of skill and techniques would be interesting to watch also

@antonioyeats2149

Жыл бұрын

Let's be real there's actually enough of these guys that we could pheasibly have weight classes and then host rematchs followed by catchweight super fights xD

@cahallo5964

Жыл бұрын

I think jay white would straight up one hit ko Bruce

If you check with those martial artists who fought with Bruce Lee, you will know how invincible he was. Check with former Muhammad Ali body guard. He had fought with many top karate fighters including Chuck Norris(he was Bruce student), .Many denied losing to him to save face. When he was in the States he challenged many dojo instructors and beat them. Check it out.

@nostradamus522

Жыл бұрын

Think all of them are good 👍🏻 but Bruce Lee is a legend, Worldwide ! In a street fight I would go with Lee-he have speed/strength and killer instinct ! When it is real that he dominated Joe Lewis in a sparring, then he would be able to do that to all of this Actor/ fighters. He was „Billy the Kid“ of martial arts, that fought extras that challenged him in the film set ! He believed in himself and his abilities, without preparing like the pros, weeks or months ! With trainers, analyses their opponents like a doctor 👨‍⚕️ Thinks he says, to beat me you must kill me ! He was a warrior a samurai, he was real deal ! All other mens are good fighters, but Lee was like a Cobra - dangerous ! He was the brightest Star in firmament ! To K.O a person don’t needs much, you can train all your body, but not the head and jaw ! One kick in the head it’s over- think the sparring from Ramsey with his student, one second absence-K.O illustrate this very well !

Chuck vs Bruce ABSOLUTELY would've been one sided. Norris has black belts in Kyokushin, Judo, BJJ, Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, and Shito Ryu. He got the BJJ black belt much more recently of course, long after Bruce was dead, but Chuck was already mixing his martial arts many years before Bruce started to formulate Jeet Kune Do, and that happened only a handful of years before his unfortunate death. And Chuck was about 25 pounds heavier in addition to his pro sport karate background. He was simply a larger, more experienced, and more knowledgeable man. Bruce's grappling was rudimentary at best; trying to mess with a larger, experienced Judoka who can also kick you in the face is a big ask.

@slee2695

Жыл бұрын

Judo black belt?

@jw-nz2vx

Жыл бұрын

@@slee2695 Yes. Norris had a brown belt in Judo by the time he returned home from the Korean War and then continued to study, including under Judo Gene LeBell.

@keroncelestine

Ай бұрын

Chuck Norris never had a real fight

Bruce is freakishly fast so he can definitely get his punches in. But not sure if he's used to getting hit and that changes the game significantly. Like how would he react, how's his durability, will his chin hold up... etc.

@GDCDGC

Жыл бұрын

We should also mention that we have only seen his speed in demos and movie scenes. Would he still be quick in actual combat?

@axelstone3131

Ай бұрын

@@GDCDGCnah it was all show right? All fake? 🤦‍♂️ somehow he just “acted” fast. 🤣

I think if we had a time machine to bring him to modern times and he trained in mma with good coaching he'd have the attributes to do well in his weight class maybe even become a champion.

@andrew7a

Жыл бұрын

To add to my own comment, in the lack of recorded evidence I think we should definitely consider the testimonies of people who knew him, worked with him and trained with him and look at their accounts. People such as Chuck Norris and Joe Lewis trained with him and talk about his pound for pound strength, his speed and technique. The main conclusion I get is that 1. he was ahead of his time in regards to his training method, 2. he was capable enough that other martial artists wanted to train with him, including world champions. 3. he had the attributes of a fighter physically and mentally, especially in his work ethic.

Bruce Lee fans are crediting him for his wins in the movies. Apparently Bruce Lee fans cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy.

@fmills1583

Жыл бұрын

That being said, Bruce Lee fans need to acknowledge his losses vs James Gardner and later his loss against Brad Pitt.

I'm 5'8". 180 lbs is my high school weight and I was fit and reasonably muscular. As an adult, 200, trained is fit. I seem to be heavier or more solid than others my height that consider 180 as heavy/fat/ out of shape. I dunno. But my 5'5" Chinese Kung Fu master can hit me so hard that I felt it thru my body and started hurting more [internally] 2 days later, than when I was hit. Theres def a element here being missed by the emphasis on size/weight/ power delivery. Dan inosanto said Bruce Lee had deceptively unbelievable power for a guy you would write off as a small. My master was the same. I saw him hit and school 6 ft guys. I'm gonna say there's an underestimation here. Lee got to a level of fitness where he would hit the heavy bag 1000 times a day, every day. He had king Fu schools where he sparred with students twice his size, all the time.

@samuraikyokkan

Жыл бұрын

@Fredrick Frederickson i know what you mean. id prob be bruce lee ripped at 160. never been there. haha, but at 180 i was pulling skin off my upper body and had 'enough' fat on my belly. gotta get there again. so the gym bros at 210, 220, are probe 20 lbs heavier than burce lee in muscle? he couldve punch thru an extra 20 lbs of muscle and 30 lbs of fat. And the head is the head, no matter how large you are (unless you necked out in traps like the dude in the netflix 'killer sally' Ray McNeil). Id say height would be bruce lee's biggest disadvantage, not weight. fighting a 6'2" +++ guy, Lee would have to resort to ball shots, skin twisting, finger breaking, all tactics illegal in MMA.

@axelstone3131

Ай бұрын

Bruce was training 25 to 30 hours a week. Thousands of reps per week. Finger jabs, punches, kicks, body mechanics, footwork etc. He trained with anyone of any size from any background. He has many full contact sparring matches and they weren’t nobodies either. Joey Orbillo, Hayward Nishioka, Joe Lewis. Be beat Chuck Norris behind Closed doors, although you will never hear Chuck Norris talk about this. It was kept on the down low by many people, including Bruce. Check out John Little’s interviews on the Kung fu genius channel. Very very informative stuff. He also has a recent book that just came out called wrath of the dragon: the real fights of Bruce Lee It’s throughly researched and well documented. Definitely worth reading.

I don't think Segal would beat him. Segal can't kick or punch, he needs to get a hold of him. Bruce's kicks were just too fast and powerful. Bruce would just keep Segal at distance using his kicks as jabs. And even though Segal has a size advantage, I still think Bruce was stronger. Joe Lewis said Bruce hit like a heavyweight. Bruce's body was like a coiled spring, Segal's body like play dough. Even in his prime, Segal has very little muscularity, he was soft. I think a guy like Michael Jai White would be a tougher opponent. He has the size advantage combined with speed and power. And are we talking about a rules based fight or a no rules street fight? With no rules, Bruce would have a better chance in general. I think Bruce's speed was his greatest asset. None of the guys mentioned are his equal in that department.

@JohnSmith-ty2he

Жыл бұрын

Honestly out of the whole batch Steven Seagal is the worst. He's just 100% fakery. I'm pretty sure any random guy off the street within 6 inches of his height, and 80 lbs of his weight could beat his ass.

@crisstoff89

9 ай бұрын

They did drills not actual sparing , a few years the same Lewis kind of gets back to reality , you have to understand nobody wants to talk trash about a guy like Bruce Lee. Look at what happened to Jay White ,despite having an ego ,White actually has the experience and size to beat up Bruce Lee but fans wont see it cuz White has an "ego"

As a Swede i have to bring up Dolph Lundgren.

@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y

Жыл бұрын

He'd take out all the other actors.

@ahmadhasan8355

Жыл бұрын

@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y most certainly, but maybe except for Michael Jay White. I am not saying MJW would win, but it would be hotly contested.

@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y

Жыл бұрын

@@ahmadhasan8355 Yes, I forgot about MJW

Bruce Lee stated that he was a martial artist first then an actor. Joe Lewis didn't think he was just an actor or he would not have trained with 'just an actor'. As a martial artist that is you first and foremost however else you earn a living. If you don't put it first you don't get far and nobody got further than Bruce Lee. Chuck Morris said Bruce Lee was completely devoted to martial arts. The acting came a long way behind and if he hadn't done that we probably would never have heard of him and martial arts would have remained in the dark. Very few people knew anything about it before Bruce Lee. You couldn't find a club or dojo and nobody had heard of Kung Fu.

@axelstone3131

Ай бұрын

Nobody would have trained with Bruce if he was bullshit or just an “actor” all the proof of his legitimacy is staring people right in the face but for whatever reason people have this absurd agenda against him.

That bing was super loud for the video Ramsey. I actually thought something bad was happening to my house like a fire alarm was about to go off.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

The what now?

I think Joe Lewis said in an interview he sparred with Bruce Lee and said he was good and hit hard like a pro but correct me if I'm wrong

@stevo62ful

Жыл бұрын

Joe did say Bruce was fast and hit like a heavyweight, I assume he meant from his time training with Bruce as he also said, they never sparred

@axelstone3131

Ай бұрын

They sparred, although it wasn’t under good conditions. It was because Joe hurt one of Bruce’s students, Herb Jackson, this pissed Bruce off so he told Joe to stay a bit longer, Bruce put on the gloves and played .with him for about a minute. Joe couldn’t do anything. Ted Wong, Kareem Jabber and Herb Jackson were there and all 3 have confirmed this. If you want more insight into what really went on back then pick up wrath of the dragon: the real fights of Bruce Lee by John Little. Very informative book.

@Metaltrippin2

Ай бұрын

@@axelstone3131 yea but I’m talking about an interview I saw where he said they sparred just working out together

@axelstone3131

Ай бұрын

@@Metaltrippin2 like I said. A lot of people changed their story when Bruce wasn’t around to call them out. Watch John Little’s interview with the Kung Fu Genius. You will learn a lot. The one you ought to watch is called Bruce Lee’s real fights

Chuck beats Bruce, because Chuck learned a reasonable amount of Judo when he was a military policemen, so he has more than just striking skills. Van Damme probably has a significant weight advantage, so I'd give him a very good chance, plus some real kickboxing matches to his name. Tony Jaa has a Muay Thai background and would give Bruce a rough time. Scott Adkins is physically bigger and stronger and has a well rounded training background. Michael Jai White would overpower Bruce, with his strength, skills and deep menacing voice. Steven Seagall would anhillate Bruce in an eating contest. Not sure about Jackie Chan or Donnie Yen. Just calling it as I see it, and happy to be convinced otherwise by compelling evidence. Cheers.

@deedumeday518

Жыл бұрын

Also, Bruce Lee is dead.

@greatneos

Жыл бұрын

Donnie yen in his prime is very athletic. kzread.info/dash/bejne/paaFtdRmlKq8dc4.html . Tyson even said that he is also effective in a street fight.

@RRTNZ

Жыл бұрын

@@greatneos Fair play, maybe he has an edge on Lee.

Hey Ramsey. I yesterday had my first no gi BJJ competition with a 4 match minimum format. Each fight was 5 mins and I won my first fight but lost my last 3. For the last 2 I was completely exhausted which was hard to fathom because we train a bunch of aggressive 5 min rounds in the gym and I don’t feel anywhere near as tired. I gathered it was probably from the adrenaline dump prior. Can you comment on how to avoid this sort of problem on next one?

@varanid9

Жыл бұрын

Your increased tension eats up more energy. As you get used to doing it, this will decrease. Also, in training try 7 minute rounds.

@littlestav98

Жыл бұрын

@@varanid9 thanks dude

Bruce Lee vs Mastha Wong, winner gets to kick Ramsey.

Joe Lewis had the style closest to Bruce, so I would like to see them fight. Bruce wasn't a fighter by trade but be was an extreme trainer/pioneer of the combat arts. He trained to fight, that's why he used armor when he sparred. I've seen Bruce's bag work, it looks a little sloppy. He had a right lead roundhouse kick that's like nothing I've ever seen. He has great balance, fantastic speed and trapping hands. I would say maybe Chuck Norris or Sammo Hung would have the best chance of beating Bruce Lee. Bruce had a very big ego and a fire inside him. He would not go down easy. Tony Jaa would confound him at first, in my opinion. Jackie is not nearly mean enough. No Segal, no JCVD, no Donnie Yen and no Jet Li. I choose Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris and Sammo Hung...in that order of his peers. Master Lee is not to be underestimated, but my only doubts are in his chin. Mostly only Boxers have the most proven chins by default and none of these guys are Boxers, so...no real proof of any chin. And a punch in the gut will still hurt you real bad even if your name is Bruce Lee. But I would lay some serious money on the Dragon. Well, not that serious...a hundred dollars maybe Pay Per View. Lol! That said, I would NOT want to be the guy that has to step in the Ring and fight Bruce Lee. I think he's gonna have a bad day. And I honestly think Bruce Lee was a just little too mean for these other guys.

I will start this by saying I am huge Bruce fanboy, and he's the reason I started martial arts, he was a man ahead of his time. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Now, that being said I say he can take Jackie, and Jet. Donnie would be super interesting if it stayed standing. On the ground Donnie is a purple belt in BJJ so big advantage there. Standing it goes either way or Donnie wins. JCVD I'm not sure. He has the size advantage. Sagal has a massive size advantage over everyone. If this was done tournament style, the most interesting match up to me would be Chuck Norris vs Tony Jaa. Factoring that everyone would be at their peaks, I lean slightly towards Chuck. I'd also take Chuck over Bruce in a good fight. It would be a standing Karate vs kung Fu fight (like Wonder Boy vs Kevin Holland) but if Chuck closes the distance people maybe not realize that besides being a karate champion he was also a black belt in judo. I am a karateka an as a bigger guy the toughest for me to spar are the smaller faster opponents. If they tag me it won't hurt but they can and have and it's irritating. Could throw you off your rhythm. Always good to spar with a variety of opponents different sizes, shapes, and skillets 🙂. Sidenote, if these fights take place in an IKEA furniture store then Jackie wins them all 😆

@Katzenhase

Жыл бұрын

Norris was the best point fighter in the 60s. Tony Jaa is no fighter. Norris would have beaten Jaa easily. Of course, you can´t compare them because Norris is 82 years old.

As a tremendous lifelong Bruce Lee fan, I don't even care to speculate on which other martial arts stars he would or wouldn't have beat in a fight. Bottom line, Bruce is long dead and we'll never know how good of an actual fighter he really was. And guess what? It doesn't matter, and doesn't at all take away from his greatness. What I think is indisputable is that Bruce was an absolutely great and visionary martial artist for his time. The mistake that present day martial artists and/or MMA enthusiasts make when evaluating Bruce's ability is that they judge him by modern standards, when they should really be judging based on the martial arts standard of his time. Unfortunately we have scant evidence of Bruce's real fighting ability. We know he was fast, quite fluid and skilled in his movement, was very well rounded in his knowledge base (for his time), and demonstrated some degree of real power in his side kick. The closest thing we have to fight footage is a controlled demonstration 'sparring' session with one of his students, which we really can't take much from. At the end of the day, I consider him a legitimately great and pivotal figure in martial arts. And for someone of his size and time who was never a competitive or professional fighter, my guess is that he would have been at least a pretty good fist fighter. Speculating beyond that is pointless, IMO.

Benny the Jet would have done quite well in this hypothetical tournament, I think! Dude was a killer kickboxer and he was good in the martial arts movies he appeared in too. Somebody already mentioned them but Tex Cobb and Dolph Lundren were genuinely scary ass-kickers too.

He did win a championships few of them. Also he did fight all of kind of people who came to challenge him and beat them all. He is too fast and too quick with insane endurance. He did train everyday. He loved training and properly died because of that. He defeated people/fighters much larger than him. Also when he said actor he didn't mean an actor as a normal menaing of an actor as an actor in a movie. He meant an actor as a manipulater and deceiver plus expresser of himself. Actor as a self expression not as a moive actor. Also, he was planning to add 10kg of muscles but he died before he started. He fought multiple Mafias in USA and China. He was kicked from China to USA by his parents because of that. He is simply too fast/quick and flexible , too confident and too skilled for any fighers to be even remotely competitive/comparable to him. He is a human arrow. Fighting him is like trying to dodge a havey multi shot magazine fead human crossbow from up close. He will hit everything he wants and no one will even be close to tich him. Most fighters would be knocked out with one hit in the first second by him. They wouldn't even be able to react to him. He is a ghost like mist. When he hits it is like a Tsunami. Likes of LuBu are basically unbeatable especially on top of his special red horse. CaoCao need it an army of 160k to defeat him. Got surrounded by thousands of infantry and no one wanted to charge him. They showered him with arows fo 3 volies to kill him. At the end he got killed due one of 2 arrows to one of his eyes and to the nike, due to his armor and muscles.

@brookatkins8111

Жыл бұрын

Dude , put the crack pipe down

@DavidHughesKJN

Жыл бұрын

Wow. What incredible malarkey. The fan fiction of the Bruceploitation industry has really infected your brain with all this bullshido. As Ramsey accurately said, Lee’s only competition fight was a a High School boxing match against a kid named Gary Elms. Everything else you said is the fan fiction that’s popular the cult of Bruce Lee fans.

@cahallo5964

Жыл бұрын

I wanna know more about his special red horse

@ailediablo79

Жыл бұрын

@@cahallo5964 the biggest, fastest, craziest and strongest angry wilde horse of the time. Horses lose size overtime of many generations too. It was the last of it is kind in China. The hair was white. Also it was strong red colored. It took 3000 people to capture the horse alive and many of them died. The horse is capable of killing multiple tigers and bears alone easily.

Chuck is such a gracious and honorable man that the world still believes that Bruce could beat him.

@garyconner6151

Жыл бұрын

Because Bruce could. Simple and plain.

@garyconner6151

Жыл бұрын

Then why was he Bruce lee's student,if he could beat him.

@Wakizashi_10p

Жыл бұрын

@@garyconner6151 I could have said Chuck BEAT him on MULTIPLE occasions but it won't matter to you. You'll believe what you want. Bruce was not by far the baddest man on the planet at that time.

@LanMandragon1720

Жыл бұрын

@@garyconner6151 Why was Mike Tyson training with Cus who he could've easily killed. Being a good instructor doesn't necessarily translate to being an amazing fighter.

@cuzz63

Жыл бұрын

@@garyconner6151Chuck was bigger and had way more experience. CHuck beats Bruce.

i'm not naive to believe that bruce lee was invincible but i'm not that stupid to believe that bruce lee was just an actor who couldn't defend himself (am i bluffing ?) Well just make a deep research about his life,biography and witnesses that follow him at his time and you'll agree that yes he was a true martial artist

Joe Lewis said Bruce was just too fast, you couldn't touch him, Bruce wrote of the time he and Chuck Norris had a serious spar, and Chuck had no chance of beating him, in the ring there are rules, outside the ring, Bruce was the king. he was just too good, and he would have fought anyone.

Bruce lee was invincible, Even you master Dewey would taste the heel of his iron foot!!🦶

@stevo62ful

3 ай бұрын

ffs grow up

Chuck Norris is Master in TaeKwonDo, Karate and BJJ, and world champion, he takes this.

@jestfullgremblim8002

Жыл бұрын

He also defeated Goku

Bruce did not say to be remembered as an actor. He said he would refer to himself as an actor rather than a superstar. He said he said he wanted to think of himself as a human being. He said in that same interview that as an actor, as a human being, he learned all of it as a martial artist. He referenced being a martial artist several times in that same interview. It's funny how a man who is no longer living still gets challenged about who he could beat or not when hes dead. But when he was alive crickets...

@TerryGoetz-lt1ex

Жыл бұрын

Chuck Norris is better

One thing Bruce has on his side is that he's athletic and driven from what one could tell by limited "feel" (as you say). :) Comparing his athleticism to other actors though is kinda tough. Now Benny Urquidez... :) He fought (sporting) and "acted". ;) I think he'd probably beat most of the list.

As Bruce Lee fan and a fight fan, even I know he couldn't win against a professional world champion fighter. I knew back then and I know now.

@joseortega4395

Жыл бұрын

you are a fan but do you fully understand his martial art skills, sports not the same as real

I think you underestimate Jackie Chan. The more I learn, the more credit I give. Yeah, he's overwhelmingly a performer vs fighter, but the insane training he was subjected to, his overall physicality, complete desentization to danger, ability to soak damage, etc., would give him a huge advantage over the average martial artist or even less experienced fighter, Bruce Lee included. Bruce would be nervous, especially since his career was so dependent on his image.

@willchurch8376

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking this myself. Jackie Chan has taken some real injuries and kept going with his work. I probably outweigh Chan by 2x, but I really wouldn't want to be in a fight with a guy who stands up and says "let's do another take" with a broken wrist or hand or ankle.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Jackie Chan is the new Bruce Lee. Can you consider him a fighter? The answer is no. They're just actors or I'll just call them. Ballerinas

@willchurch8376

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed I can't speak to his fighting ability, and if it turns out that all of the injuries and his going on is just PR, then I'll recant. I'm going off the same criteria that I would use for the guy in my old Army unit that just took insane injuries and kept marching, or digging, or whatever. (The one I really remember is when he smashed his shin in with a pickaxe.) Or the old guy in the factory I used to work at who sliced his hand from the palm to halfway up his forearm and just wrapped it up with a shirt and kept going. Fighting ultimately is about hurting the other guy to the point where he can't hurt you anymore. I don't like fighting someone who doesn't really acknowledge getting hurt.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@willchurch8376 life makes us tougher for sure when its not an easy life.. Some of us felt that pain from babies just a few months old ... i was one of them .. i can sit here and tell you some crazy stories ... but people are judgmental.. so i keep them to myself .. but i will tell you i had surgery on my knee and i didn't take the drugs they were giving for the pain .. the doctors was saying i was crazy because i wasn't taking their drugs .. pain is there foe a reason to keep us from further injury numbing the pain might make it worse by not knowing to stop... that is what i told the doctors when they told me i didn't pic up the prescriptions of heroin and cocaine... They are drug dealers...

@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y

Жыл бұрын

Jackie Chan worked on 1 or more Bruce Lee movies. He considered Lee as his older brother. But against any other actor, he would've done almost as well as Lee.

"EVERYONE'S FIRST FIGHT SUCKS" My first boxing match I showed heart and tenacity, but I also lacked self-awareness(dropped guard, missteps, overreaching) and I panicked a bit. Second match I did everything right till about the last round when I let it all out too soon and opponent caught me. 3rd match I became a machine, and that's when I finally figured out what I wanted to do with my life.

Bruce Lee vs. Ed O'Neil

@jimmiemcmasters8815

4 ай бұрын

Let's rock.

@kurohabaki4101

4 ай бұрын

@@jimmiemcmasters8815 baaaaaadddd tttoooo tttthhhhheeee boonnneeee

To be fair the Chuck Norris interview I watched he seemed to be insinuating that Bruce Lee would beat his ass but that might have just been him not wanting to say he would kick a dead man's ass lol

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. That's why that's saying was made. It was made for Bozo's like him that never had a real fight in his life. He was just a ballerina

@diogenes42069

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed whatever you say kid

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@diogenes42069 before you call someone like me a kid, learn to put your real name out here Malaka! Okay son?

@diogenes42069

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed whatever you say kid

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@diogenes42069 ok son go tell your mother I'll be home later going out with your aunt for a few hours

I think I agree with most of your guesses. Bruce Lee would beat Jackie Chan and Jet Li. JCVD and Steven Seagal just would be too big for him (tbf current Seagal gets out of breath by thinking about stairs. If we revive Bruce it's only fair to let everyone compete in their best shape, so we're talking about early 90s Seagal). Chuck Norris would definitely beat him, especially after meeting the Gracies. Donnie Yen is just more well rounded than Bruce was. I think he'd beat him. Tony Jaa is fascinating, because he's an insanely gifted athlete, but as far as I know, he never competed in any form and he doesn't seem to know much grappling. I think Bruce might have a chance. Imo it's the most compelling match up. He'd probably beat Jacky Wu Jing and Yuen Biao. I think they are on a level with Jackie Chan or Jet Li. Sammo Hung would destroy Bruce Lee! He has the weight advantage and, similar to Donnie Yen, has trained in different combat sports. Dolph Lundgren, Scott Adkins and Michael Jai White would be too big and strong for him. Not a chance! Jason Statham is too athletic and too good on the ground. Bruce would lose. I'll finish with someone he'd probably beat: Iko Uwais.

@gooru20

Жыл бұрын

If we consider tournament in their prime. Final will be MJW and Dolph. Size adv. And Dolph have big competition experience. Scot Adkins isnt so big about 170 pound. Similar size to Statham. But still about 30lbs more than asian actors. As a oponents for bruse we must consider assian actors. There are smaller. And even that prodably win only Tony Jaa. Thai training is close to real fight and there are many sparings.

@thehardway8197

Жыл бұрын

@@gooru20 MJW is a big dude, but I think Dolph would absolutely destroy him. All that Kyokoshin training...I think MJW would have a hard time hurting him, and we know from Stallone that Dolph can hit like a truck.

@yogurt_junior

Жыл бұрын

It also depends on the conditions they would fight in. Bruce had the conditioning of a marathon runner, plus he was well versed in weapons and sword fighting. With swords and spears in their hands everything would change. You also have to consider that smaller fighters are forced to think better than bigger fighters.

@yogurt_junior

Жыл бұрын

it's overblown how Seagal is treated by the internet. Seagal has a thyroid condition that caused him to gain weight.

@thehardway8197

Жыл бұрын

@@yogurt_junior I don't know what Dolph's weight was at his prime, I'm going to guess probably around 235, and probably close to single digit BMI. Anything can happen in a fight, but with a 100 pound weight advantage, and an insane strength and reach advantage, he's winning 95 out of 100. I wouldn't agree with the idea that small fighters have to think better than bigger fighters. There are weight divisions in every type of organized fighting for a reason. Fighters train to fight other guys in their same size bracket. There aren't any lightweight pro fighters out there training to take on heavyweights.

When you said Chuck would beat Bruce I knew there were problems in your analysis. You place emphasis on “professional experience” rather than knowledge, training, and talent. Guys with speed like Bruce see fights very differently. It’s like QBs with great accuracy who see openings in the defense that they can exploit where other QBs don’t. And to stay on the football analogy, gifted hand speed and kick speed in martial arts is like foot speed in football. It can’t be coached and it changes the game. It’s interesting to me that the most vocal critics of Bruce Lee don’t have hand speed and the most supportive of Bruce Lee among the professional fighting class are guys who knocked a lot of people out. Chuck Norris is on video admitting that he never fought in a street fight in his entire life. Dan Inansonto is on camera stating that Bruce pulled him aside once and singled out Mike Stone & Joe Lewis as real fighters and said to Dan he had no confidence in Chuck as a street fighter compared with them. (With apologies to bad ass Chuck Norris we don’t know that this was Bruce’s final conclusion on Chuck but just that it was at one time purportedly stated) Interesting that you think Chuck would defeat Bruce based on your fight game analytical methodology. I seriously doubt you had much experience in street fights before you started training. In my experience some people are born fighters and only some of them desire to fight for a living. Many professional fighters are low in talent. The champions all have talent, but even then, some have exceptional talent that jumps off the screen….. Roy Jones, Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquiao, Inoue, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Ali, ……. Bruce had that kind of talent. Also, you claim to have read Tao of Jeet Kune Do but I’m doubtful that you comprehended it well because you should have been able to discern that much of what Bruce Lee selected as either developed or adopted techniques are unquestionably effective and much of what he rejected is less than optimal for street fighting. The man could have chosen any weird eclectic combination of styles imaginable and he chose to merge martial arts kicks (as well as Savate kickboxing) with western boxing. How could you even question that this man understood fighting from the perspective of a real fighter ? Professional experience clearly carries advantages into street fights. There’s no question. But nevertheless, professional fighters are just as susceptible to being damaged in a street fight against a talented and trained opponent as any other human on earth. I think you and some others I’ve seen don’t understand that there are people in the world who are highly athletic who also train for street fights. I don’t think Bruce easily defeats any human he faces. But I understand he was highly exceptional compared to all norms. I could see Bruce getting hurt in a fight. But that’s not the same as thinking he was not a formidable opponent because he stopped his martial arts career short of stepping in a boxing ring. You make light of his sparring but Bruce was sparring with karate black belts and in some cases future kickboxers. Remember, Benny the Jet, Joe Lewis, Bob Wall, were all martial artists on the same level as Bruce Lee running in the same circles before they became professional kickboxers. Would you say they weren’t real fighters in that time frame just prior to going full contact ? Bruce was a real fighter who had one level left to go in his training but he had a different destiny. And the world is better for it.

Why was this vid private right when it came out

Dude, Bruce wasn't just a "martial arts actor" he studied multiple disciplines in real life and blended the best of them to produce his own called Jeet Kun do.

@jestfullgremblim8002

Жыл бұрын

W-We know but 1:43 is a real thing bro

@Victor-rb6pq

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but how many time did he test his skills against another professional fighter? Sorry man, i know a lot of people who mastered all the Katas, back flips and can do the most visually impressive stuff, but will pass out with a single punch.

@THEREALZENFORCE

Жыл бұрын

Martial Arts movie actors that would beat Bruce Lee (if hypothetically same age in same era) : Olivier Gruner (also real world champion fighter), Benny Urquidez (also real fighter), Gary Daniels (also real fighter), Gene LeBell (Judo master), Cyrill Raffaelli (IKFF combat world cup winner), Marko Zaror (size), Michael Jai White (size), Joe Lewis (kickboxer and actor), Scott Adkins (PKA Kickboxing instructor), Jean-Claude Van Damme (Belgian Kickboxer and competitive Karateka), ...

@Shmicah1235

6 ай бұрын

And as we all know, Jeet Kun Do is found at top level mma all the time and rules the cage fight... that's what's happening right?

@jasonwestwood7092

5 ай бұрын

Jet Lee would win 2.

Is there anyone that could legitimately challenge Dolph Lundgren

@gatorcroc7212

Жыл бұрын

Mike Tyson, Francis Nangu, Julius Hapthor Bjorn

@antonioyeats2149

Жыл бұрын

@@gatorcroc7212 Mike Tyson isn't fighting in this tournament man xD

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

I would kick his ass

@DavidHughesKJN

Жыл бұрын

Among martial arts actors, Lundgren is likely the best fighter because of his size and strength advantage, but pound for pound, I would say that Ernie Reyes, Jr. from the original NINJA TURTLES, SURF NINJAS and THE RUNDOWN was better. He fought professionally in Muay Thai and knocked out the ISKA and WKA World Champion in his weight class in a non-tile bout in the third round.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidHughesKJN So I see that you gave more credit to the person who actually physically accomplished something in fighting. This is why I tell you that. Bruce Lee is the most overrated Non-fighter on the planet

Hi Ramsey! How about Arnold Schwarzenegger (early 80s version), and Sylverster Stallone, Dolph Lundgren from Rocky 4 ? I know we are talking more about bodybuilder vs martial artist, but I'm still curious about your opinion

@radekw4751

Жыл бұрын

And Bolo Yeung :)

@DavidHughesKJN

Жыл бұрын

Lundgren was actually a legitimate European Kyokushin fighter with a lot of success on that Full Contact Karaté circuit. He would destroy the vast majority of martial arts actors. Another one is Ernie Reyes, Jr. from the Ninja Turtles movies, SURF NINJAS, and the RUNDOWN. He had a pro kickboxing record of 3-0 In Strikeforce and knocked out the ISKA and WKA World Champion in his weight class, Anthony Elkaim in the third round of their fight in a non-title bout in his pro debut. Unlike most people’s misconceptions, being big and muscular will not make you less flexible or slow you down and a prime Arnold was very athletic. According to the documentary PUMPING IRON, he had also been a competitive boxer and wrestler, though I can’t swear to that being true. He would be likely pretty formidable in a fight compared to the average person and even many martial arts actors who weren’t fighters. His training partner Franco Columbu was much smaller, but actually stronger than Arnold and had been the Italian National Amateur Boxing Champion in his weight class (at least according to the documentary) and his bag work shows far superior technique and power over Bruce Lee’s and even better speed. I was close to a prime Arnold’s size and had much heavier lifts that Arnold (600 lbs bench, 865 squat) and was a pro kickboxer with an international championship in full contact and years later a World Masters No-Gi Championship in Jiu-Jitsu. At least if you work towards increasing your athleticism in your training, the strength training will greatly improve your overall fighting ability.

I can tell you in the very least he'd wipe the floor with Steven Segal.

My father always told me that 9 times out of 10 a good big man will beat a good small man. In my youth, I sparred full contact with a new guy in our Kung Fu studio. I squared off with him. He looked fat and slow to me so I thought I would toy with him a little. He hit me square in the chest with a spinning back kick that I'm still looking for. It knocked the air out of several of my ancestors. I went flying into a wood post. I woke up to my Sifu chewing me out saying something about "long foot". He had a heavy Chinese accent, he meant "wrong foot." At the time I was so out of it I kept looking at my feet trying to figure out which one was long. Gotta watch those big guys, they ain't slow. You would have to hit a fire plug like Chuck Norris pretty damn hard to knock him out of the game.

@kylehowell5610

Жыл бұрын

Why do people like you insist on going on comment sections and spouting off these silly fricken stories? None of that happened. You are clearly lying. People dont get koed by a strike to the chest. Thats not how knockouts work in real life. Its just not.

Of the Asian Fighters, I think Prime Jackie Chan would beat all the others. Including Bruce Lee. Chan went through the most rigorous training regimes that would count as torture by todays standards. He also did his own stunts and actually takes hits in fight scenes. (Not all, obviously, but still.) Bruce Lee I respect but he is overrated to me.

@DrezzyEFTP

Жыл бұрын

Jackie Chan even said Bruce Lee would beat him because he is so fast and powerful

@Irrational_Pie

Жыл бұрын

In Jackie Chan’s book “I Am Jackie Chan” he describes how his brutal training, including the martial arts instruction, was in service to a potential career in Chinese opera, which was basically a stuntperson job. Although he was in street fights that he won, he acknowledged his limitations as a fighter.

@ratillecebrasquedubitantiu4451

Жыл бұрын

@@DrezzyEFTP humility is a doctrine of martial arts masters. Jackie was far more skilled and versatile than Bruce. Bruce is so famous for his innovation in martial arts.

@DrezzyEFTP

Жыл бұрын

@@ratillecebrasquedubitantiu4451 like I just told someone else about another subject, people would rather love a lie than to hear the truth.

@GiordanoFanti

Жыл бұрын

Just imagine Jackie's pain tollerance XD

Mark Dacascos is a premium martial artist. in his prime he won a lot of gold medals

Man if you only knew how much you had helped me

Have you seen Joe Lewis comments on Bruce and him hitting like a heavy weight. There are other well known Martial artists who comment on how good Bruce was. How about the fact that Bruce had schools with high paying clients before he even made his first movie.

@judosailor610

9 ай бұрын

That was simply Lewis's way of saying that Bruce hit hard for his size. But you're taking it far too literally. But even if that were literally true it's still doesn't mean he could TAKE hits like a heavy weight! Lol. The truth of the matter is there's a huge gulf between people that train hard and fight a little and people that train as professionals and fight all the time. Bruce was the former. He would not be able to keep up with the latter.

I read Chucks autobiography and he and Bruce did indeed spar. This was before Bruce got into Hollywood. Norris said Bruce was pretty good but didn't know how to kick yet... and that's when Bruce started learning to kick. Apparently the martial arts he originally trained in was hands only.

@joeswanson733

Жыл бұрын

it was wing chun . bruce lee primary art was wing chun.

@garyconner6151

Жыл бұрын

Wing Chun has attractive kick's..watch them up man was no joke

@cuzz63

Жыл бұрын

No this was not before Bruce got into Hollywood. he stated that the sparring was situational and not hard. Bruce already knew how to kick...it was more that Chuck showed him they work and how to set them up.

@dymitchell

Жыл бұрын

@@cuzz63 I must recall it differently. It was a long time ago when I read it. But i stand corrected.

@cuzz63

Жыл бұрын

@@dymitchell its no big deal. Alot of people arent aware of how bad Bruce struggled with his back for years..he wasnt fighting or hard sparring with anyone after that.

Coach Dewey, my favorite martial arts actor/director/choreographer was Liu Chia Liang - what do you think of him, and his hung gar? I loved his emphasis on stance and footwork. As for Bruce Lee, I think your guesses sound just about right, I don’t think he was all that great.

Hater-sensei-Grandmaster-Chosen-one-san! This is a pretty funny concept for a video. xD

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

It’s from my 100,000 subscriber special back in the day when I read angry comments. It’s a running gag I pull out once in a while.

Bruce Lee may not win the fight, but he has won the war! More people know his name than all these other actors and fighters combined! LOL

That is a funny and reasonable question! I agree almost everything aside Jackie Chan. He's a great athlete and stuntman, I assume he's confident with pain, that's a good factor in a fight. I hope for a martial actor tier list now! :D

@dbranch3r

Жыл бұрын

agreed when you see Jackie in his prime from 20 to 25 yo and his harsh physical training he would hold his own facing Bruce, it would be a difficult fight for both of them

People would be shocked to see any of these actors fight. Remember UFC 1? All of those black belt level martial artist and the fights mostly looked like school yard fights with grown men. No dim mak, no jump spin crescent kicks, no backflips, just wild windmill punches and basic ground and pound.

Michael Jai White said he could beat Bruce in an interview.

@deedumeday518

Жыл бұрын

No shit, he's dead.

Interesting concept. If there actually was a martial arts tournament now between martial arts actors and it was on video I would watch it. I think Bruce could beat Sammo Hung since he was around during Bruce's era. It would be interesting to see him fight Jim Kelly, or Bob Wall during that time as well.

@GOBRAGH2

Жыл бұрын

Speak of the devil I found a video game called Shaolin vs Wutang vs the world and it has a ton of actors from the 70's and 80's in a fighting game with their moves, costumes, music, dubbed sound effects that look like the actors you will recognize in marital arts movies. I found it on the PS5.

@AndreBeaulee

Жыл бұрын

jim kelly in an interview alluded to the fact bruce would beat him. and told of fights he saw in person that legitimized bruce for him. but he cant mention names apparently ahah.

I wouldn't so easily dismiss Jackie Chan vs Bruce Lee. Jackie Chan may have superior genetics as far as explosiveness goes. I know guys like that, short and full of fast twitch muscles. And he may have the same amount of fighting experience as B. Lee.

@danguillou713

Жыл бұрын

Jackie in his prime was incredibly athletic and physically tough. I think he could eat a lot of punches on his way in to grappling.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha ha That would be the ballerina fight of the ages 😆

@cahallo5964

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed Jackie did judo so he could grapple for real he didn't just learn wushu, he also did boxing, he has some experience.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@cahallo5964 they both are great acrobats. All I'm saying is that Bruce Lee is overrated.

@cahallo5964

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed I agree I just don't dislike him as much as you

The first few seconds in and you start with the just an actor bull. This has been the narrative for to long. I can’t for the life of me understand how you all who say this don’t see what I see when I see his , speed, flow, technique, and confidence. I train in martial arts. And people who do know what to look for. Many men get in their feeling and say 💩 to make themselves look good. Just think some kids 40 years from now will say he could beat Floyd Mayweather and people during that era will believe him. GTFOH

Hi Ramsey thanks for the the content, awesome as always. I wanted to ask you a questions a few weeks ago and this video reminded me. Are you familiar with Dan Carlin's work? He usually creates history related content, but his last video was about boxing and how it have changed throughout the years (so that's history as well I guess). He talks a lot about Jack Dempsey for example and other old time champs you often mention too. He has some old fashioned ideas about weight training which are reinforced by an expert called Mike Silver, who he interviews in the show. kzread.info/dash/bejne/a5yhu5SGpanYZ6Q.html. It would be awesome to know what you think about it!

I think he'd lose to a guy like Scott Adkins. Yeah, we wouldn't have Adkins without Lee, but he's got size and weight on his side, as well his foundation being a blend of both Judo and Kickboxing-focused Tae Kwon Do. I think it's a wonderful combination, and we already know he's got the athleticism to more than keep up with someone as fast as Bruce Lee.

@SkemeKOS

Жыл бұрын

Scott adkins or Henry Cejudo? Scott Adkins or Mighty Mouse? Scott Adkins or Alex Volkanovski?

I used to be a JKD instructor and I agree completely with you!

@Hawidaku

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for letting us know you definitely don’t know how to fight

@DavidHughesKJN

Жыл бұрын

@@Hawidaku That’s not really fair. I am by profession a MMA and grappling coach and was a pro kickboxer in my youth and later a World Masters No-Gi Champion in Jiu-Jitsu. JKD has been left far behind by the evolution of combat sports and real fighting. I will not deny that, but virtually ANY trained martial artist is going to have an edge on untrained fighters and JKD is going to be more realistic than many other systems that don’t have as much emphasis on practical application. Would I favor JKD over modern MMA, K-1, Muay Thai, Sanda fighters or Submission Grapplers? Obviously not, but it was at least philosophically and training wise, a step in the right direction. As was Kajukenbo and other hybrid systems. Along the same lines, while Bruce Lee was deliberately creating an image and a brand, none of the ludicrous claims made by his cult of fans are from him. The mythical superhuman character mostly evolved after his death. Yes, he was creating an image to market and some of the things he did in that process were less than honest, but most of that bullshido was created by others after he passed. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z5mhuZNwd9DUiKQ.html erniereyes.com/gallatin www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/gallatin/2015/01/16/gallatin-martial-arts-teacher-wins-jiu-jitsu-world-title/21867335/

@Hawidaku

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidHughesKJN I seriously doubt the claims you just made to your experience, according to your other comments you’re also a ninth degree black belt and have an iq of 181 among the highest iq levels ever, which is ignoring the fact that iq tests are bull shit anyway and no business, military, or school actually gives any value to “IQ” tests.

@NDOhioan

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidHughesKJN Shh, you're interrupting the overcorrection that Bruce lee was a charlatan on par with Ashida Kim and that JKD is worse than aikido! We can't have *nuance* in a discussion about Bruce Lee! He was either an unbeatable god who could thrash professional fighters or he was literally George Dillman!

I honestly believe that Bruce Lee could beat Frank Dux. But then again, Frank 'The Universal Dominator' Dux has also defeated everyone that's ever looked at him funny AND unfunny, won an intergalactic tournament, and survived a 3-man deathmatch against Barney Google and Optimus Prime. So I'm not really sure who could beat Bruce...

Only this guy would think chuck would win in a real fight with Lee. I'm not talking about a tournament fight with gloves and rules either but to say seagal could touch Lee is unrealistic.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Chuck Norris thought so too.

Bruce was not invincible, but no one new how good he really was. Bruce had fights through his life and actually have hurt people." It's on record" would if you took the fight out of the ring and made it a street fight would that make a difference. There has been nobody in the the martial art that was quite like Bruce Lee. We can all talk about him and speculate. His martial arts was a way of live and he was inventing new methods to traning.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

It’s not on record. It’s anecdotal.

I can't see it with Chuck. I don't want to take anything away from him but when I compare their technique side by side, Bruce's is just more crisp, quicker, more varied, more aggressive and often technically better. He seemed in much better shape and cross trained in way more styles (when Chuck was young). Even when watching their on screen fight, it just felt like Bruce was slowing down every time Chuck landed, as if he was saying "go on hit me" they also moved within a lot of the same circles and the way they all talked about Bruce, real masters of the day, suggested he was really that good. Chuck has fighting experience and it's true that would've taught him timing and confidence but the style was very point focused, like they were playing tag with their foot. I feel like if Bruce got inside and started throwing haymakers at Chuck, he'd be quickly overwhelmed. JCVD would perhaps be more interesting if his record is true because he supposedly won many fights by KO.

@retwerts

Жыл бұрын

That's all great dude, but Chuck Norris actually has a competitive fighting record. He was a Karate middleweight world champion, it doesnt matter what you think about their exhibition or choreograph techniques. One guy was an elite fighter and the other one has no professional fighting record.

@jackslater5886

Жыл бұрын

@@retwerts I used to do a lot of points fighting when I was young. Then the first time some thug on the street went for me it was a rude awakening and felt like a completely different ball game. The same when I tried more full contact sports. Bruce definitely trained for full contact and realism even if he didn't compete. Nothing about the footage from Chuck's fights gives me the impression it'd be very effective in the real thing. I've seen far too many seasoned karate points fighters get schooled by boxers with a few month's experience just because they used to going all out in sparring.

@catocall7323

Жыл бұрын

@@jackslater5886 old school karate tournaments were not point sparring but closer to bare knuckle kickboxing with takedowns.

@jackslater5886

Жыл бұрын

@@catocall7323 depends on the style of karate and the organisation. Chuck did do points fighting where one would land, the flag goes up, they restart. Also "bare-knuckle" only in that there are no gloves but punches to the face are stopped before making contact. Joe Lewis introduced continuous full contact after training with Bruce because he wanted something more true to real life fighting.

Bruce Lee was untouchable, unbelievable. Jim KELLY said.

If you put a tournament fighter or boxer with a trained street fighter with no rule no gloves on the trained street fighter will win every time.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Fo’ da streetz is code for “I don’t know how to fight”.

Coach, your friend Jordan (former Red Chuck) did a video about "Bruce is a fighter". His assessment was Bruce had more fight we didn't know (my guess would be either street fight or underground fight). I agree with him (particularly considering the environment he was in). I think Bruce had way more "real" fight experience than we can verify, but unfortunately we would never know.

@myfriend280

Жыл бұрын

I grew up in a scenario where I experienced a lot of street fighting… as a fighter and as an observer. If you didn’t grow up this way you might not realize what you’re sensing about the guy, but certain true bad asses who ALWAYS dominated in street fights carry a rare type of attitude. Watching and listening to Bruce’s interviews it’s very easy for me to spot. Bruce had the experienced street fighter’s attitude. Bruce was a bad ass and I’d venture to guess he knew quite a number of other bad asses when he was growing up in Hong Kong.

Bruce Lee would of kicked ass on All of them One by One down the line... The King of Kung Fu was so advanced back in 1973.... How much more advanced he would be in today's time if he was still alive.

Here are so many arrogant people and disrespectful towards an icon and a great man that cannot defend himself... Shame on you all haters including you mr ramsey

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Shame on you for thinking this was disrespectful!

Bruce incorporated the moves with each other. They weren't separated. It was one style. Every martial art that he studied, was made into one martial arts principle. Take what works, delete what doesn't work. It's a winning strategy no matter who you're facing. He doesn't do moves that aren't effective basically.

@alexferrana3979

Жыл бұрын

Lee himself noted that he won't do that movie martial arts in a real fight.

@joshuachigumira4064

Жыл бұрын

@@alexferrana3979 he had to slow down those movements for the cameras to catch it. And telegraph for his opponents to react fast enough

Gene lebell said in a fight between Bruce and chuck he would put his money on chuck every time .

Wait... So we're counting our school yard scuffles on to our W/L ratios now? If so, consider my record bolstered. The big problem I have when people say "Street fights" is that it's such a damn broad term... Because any physical altercation out side on Da Street, is a street fight. Regardless of the skill levels of the opponents. If we're going on that, I have so many friends that have a hell of a lot of experience in street fighting... And are absolutely terrible at it. They fight like two idiots hoping to get the first best hit in, then they scrabble on the ground trying to rag each other around up until one of their mates or a bouncer splits them up... Then they act tough and start yelling obscenities, though often secretly thanking the holy heavens that it was split up by someone... So Bruce Lee, someone with an idea of what he's doing, with a good level of natural aggression behind him being able to handle himself in a street fight... Course. I buy that. I'm just curious as to why it's constantly brought up. It's no token to say you can beat someone to a pulp who knows very little about fighting. I got into an altercation a few months ago with someone who had just mugged someone outside our local pub at the beginning of the year. I chased the fellow down and got the bag back. He wasn't very co-operative about letting it go. Though given that I'm a trained fighter, in full athletic condition with a fight record that shows a will to use it... and this was a very malnourished idiot with no fighting experience what so ever. It went rather well for myself and not so much for him. So there. Up goes my street cred with a fight on "DA STREET" it means nothing. There's fellows at my gym with zero "Da street" fight experience that could still whoop my arse due to their skill, athleticism and actual fight experience, against actual fighters, that are also skilled athletes with the ability and will to use it. It's not a badge of honour. People need to stop bringing it up as if it proves some sort of point in terms of fighting ability. Also, just to add. When I did confront such individual outside the pub. I was there to entertain my stepson and I had already changed into my stepsons favourite superhero: Spider-Man. That must have been a very trippy experience for all involved, to have seen Spider-Man chase down and beat up a mugger, then hand a purse back to an old lady. Something that will stick with me for most my days due to the surreal nature of it.

There is a reason weight classes were created in sport.

What do you think about chess boxing?

Hey Ramsey, is hitting a tree a good way to condition your bones?

Weight is the single largest factor. Many martial artists that worked with Bruce made the same observation: they couldn't touch him. The kid was fast. And he punched above his weight. But is that enough to overcome the weight disadvantage? We'll never know. But he was way ahead of his time. 10 more years and he would have been studying with the Gracies. And then the match ups all change. Sad we never saw it.

@treasurewuji8740

6 ай бұрын

Also how much weight

Bruce was wayyy more than an actor. I’m an actor and I believe I could actually beat Floyd Mayweather or Tyson, insane to believe but I do believe it. My point is Bruce Lee trained every day, he was super strong for his build and was an amazing fighter at that. I think he stands more than a chance

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

You have never seen Bruce Lee fight before. How do you know he was an amazing fighter?

@iluvcliffrichard

Жыл бұрын

From what I've heard of bruce I'd say he'd do well against people of today. It would be arrogant and bigoted for me to totally ignore people like Ramsey Dewey does instinctively, default mode Just by knowing and seeing the power and speed alone and how strong he was, not needing to take anything else into account alone is enough for me to put him up against anyone..

That's a pretty honest break down. The two fights i'm most interested in is the one between Donnie Yen and Tony Jaa. I think both of these fights would be super close and the fighter who had the biggest will to win that day, will win. So, yes the will to win is another factor you forgot to mention Ramsey.