What I Wish I Knew Before Becoming A Thelemite Occultist
In this video, thelemite occultist Georgina Rose discusses everything she wish she could tell herself before embarking down the path of the occult and thelema, from mistakes she made, misconceptions she fell for, and how her beliefs have changed, she goes through all the things she wish she had known.
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Just came across you, and I must say I am incredibly impressed. You aren't pretentious, and you aren't trying to sell your ideology. You have my respect, ma'am.
@Fiachbuay1987
Жыл бұрын
@Kev Amor sir! Im sorry sir!
I was so happy when I found out I could combine the practices of Wicca and Thelma because I strongly believe in the teachings of both systems
@thelemite935
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. One can combine many things as a Thelemite.
@dodeka
2 жыл бұрын
There’s a book about Crowley and Dion Fortune that ends with an appendix comparing what was written in Liber AL and how Gerald Gardener reworded it for Wicca
@goatmanpan3661
2 жыл бұрын
That and Wicca basically ows alot of its inception to Crowley
@scienceseekerresearcher6130
2 жыл бұрын
eclectic...
@stephenturner3291
Ай бұрын
Of course! Wicca and thelema are both similar and intertwined traditions, along with Shinto and Chondoism/ Cheondogyo.
"The treadmill at the end of the rainbow" is a quote that really resonated with me when I sort of came back down to Earth after having a lot of Thelemic epiphanies early on. Can't remember who said it.
Thelema cannot be put in any one persons box or political ideology, you were spot on there, each of us must follow our own true will. This is a great video for new Thelemites and those checking it out. Well done!
Thanks, DD! Always good to hear your opinions and enthusiasm!
Yess I’ve been looking forward to this since the announcement!
Great video, very down-to-earth and informative. Thank you for sharing this.
Thank u for this. It was exactly what i needed to hear at this point of initial curiosity and readings.
I could listen to you talk all day ...very good informative content
love your views on crowley love how u put information foward invaluable resource for people who have questions regarding our current 93
Thank you for making this video, needed this!
LARP Crowley. I'm making my costume NOW! Loved the video. This second I'm looking to YT for some comfort, something to make me feel there is someone I can make a connection with in the world, this video helped. Bless you. Big love.
I live in Southern Alberta so the term occult just doesn't land with anyone that well. I still use it in order to destigmatize it actively, but this is the Canadian Bible Belt and boy is it tough! You are in deed, absolutely darling. Good to find you. Success 222 your work. - Soror Iris
@Nelipot1973
28 күн бұрын
I’m Albertan as well I couldn’t agree more. People in Alberta can be (not always of course) but can be a bit closed minded in worst cases aggressive or violent towards people and things they don’t understand . I hope your doing well wherever you are!
You have a very thoughtful and intelligent point of view here. I enjoy your interpretations of Thelema and Crowley.
Comment for comment's sake! Love your content, love the outfit! I'm not a Thelemite, but I'm definitely fascinated by it!
@tgitsmydad2156
2 жыл бұрын
Run like hell right now! Jeremiah chapter 17-19. Yes that part they literally eat people and hang them from meat hooks while they are still alive. The only tip I can give you comes in the form of two music videos Katy perry "dark horse" and no that's definitely not a hot cheeto, but human flesh upon eating such your lips become as dry as asphalt and a thirst unquenchable reaches into your heart as a state of sadness and evil unreal becomes you for but a moment as you burp and the stink of human flesh seeping through your skin is so strong anyone else who knows this smell could smell you for miles off. The second and most important video is "other side" by red hot chili peppers and the rest will fall into place.
Excelkent commentary,brite young lass! I just subscribed to your channel,you da bomb ass thelemite,merci beaucoup!much luv from San Diego
Kick ass girl! 100% agree with each of your points.
Hot damn!! The more videos I watch the more impressed I become!! This channel is a magickal Oasis 😌😌😌
I’m new to all this but this is amazing .i agree with you and I’m learning so much
I felt stupid the first time I tried reading the Book of the Law ngl.
@timothygeaughan4127
2 жыл бұрын
Yep🤠
@sheldonscott4037
2 жыл бұрын
Read it along w/Therions' old & new commentaries; it will open your eyes. No need to feel stupid whatsoever.
@sheldonscott4037
2 жыл бұрын
@@valeriacortez7003 Not understanding what you mean "right one"?
So you're the girl that keeps giving me sidequests and sells me some weird rocks
@rvfiasco
2 жыл бұрын
Gotta 'ave 'em.
@musicalneptunian
2 жыл бұрын
She is in The Mage's Guild in Balmora! She has sent me on quests to get weird plants!
U can mix anything, no limits, your intentions r what could make it dark, our minds have endless untapped abilities, really awesome!
This is a drastic misunderstanding of the book of law. “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” does not mean that there are no rules. Peoples who try remove Crowely from the table are squirrels and are not true thelemites.
I just found your channel. I usually avoid occult themed channels by "practitioners". I've been a Thelemite for a while and moved away from Crowley fanboyism years ago and have recently moved from more formal magick to shamanic spirit work in the tradition of my ancestors and have had so much more happen in a short time versus my lifetime with the traditional occult. I don't want to give up traditional magick and havent felt compelled to but its nice to know others dont see it as an either/or sort of thing.
@darkmatter7266
6 ай бұрын
@DaathielI’d like to know the origin of the correlation here between angel and shaman morphism. I’m uncertain where the sinistra flow is coming from or what the counterbalance is.
I wish i knew ceremonial magic is the hardest path one can take and it will never be over. Also i wish i knew that there’s no time to waste, so i could’ve started sooner.
@timothygeaughan4127
2 жыл бұрын
I am with you 100% on that.
@simonfernandes6809
2 жыл бұрын
I avoided ceremonial Magick and went straight to practical magick. No initiation required.
@timothygeaughan4127
2 жыл бұрын
@@simonfernandes6809 is there an initiation required for ceremonial magick? I haven't been initiated, I just went for it, my guess is there is but there isn't, 🤠
@awethailu1011
9 ай бұрын
@Daathielwhats the hardest?
Love this video 😍
Da’at you are a bright shining star. Thank You for all of the beautiful words. 93
I found this very balanced and helpful. Be well. 🍄
Thank you for this message, I wish you a great day 10/19/2021
Great talk, thank you.
It's not about worshipping crowley...some of us even mispronounce his name;)
Great video. Thanks.
i think even starting with Magick in Theory and Practice is a steep learning curve, but that said it is good to encounter the ideas therein perhaps early on too when an encounter with them may really fire ones spirit
Georgina, could you do a video on what interested you about the occult and why you left mainstream religion to be an occultist? I am curious to hear how and in what ways has Thelema contributed to your personal growth and enlightenment. Thank you for explaining these concepts.
@satanic_rosa
2 жыл бұрын
I second this, it's always interesting to hear what draws people into the occult
@Larry_Diamond
2 жыл бұрын
Yes i want the origin story too
Thank you for information I didn’t know I wanted to know great words of wisdom
love your vids!!
keep up the Great Work! 93s
@DaatDarling
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you too!
I just stumbled on this and really enjoyed your video! Can I ask, in your experience as a practicing Thelemite what is the difference between Thelemic work and the Golden Dawn tradition? I'm self initiated in a Golden Dawn style practice, but I will easily admit that I've read a lot of Crowley, done rituals and adopted meditations/techniques out of Liber ABA, etc. Outside of accepting things like the Book of the Law and centralizing your practice around the concept of True Will (in my understanding), what are the major differences in Thelema's approach to magick and the work in general? It has always sounded like there is a lot of common practices adopted by both, whether it's early rituals like the Middle Pillar, pathworking, or later workings like goetia or enochian along with obtaining knowledge and conversation with the HGA.
@KevinTuesday
5 ай бұрын
The Golden Dawn practiced alot of Kabbalistic rituals, and their literature revolved around the teachings of the Zohar as you know Mathers was responsible for translating some profound grimoires that are well known. What I'm starting to understand about our thelemic path is that Crowley was responsible for introducing many practitioners to Mysticism in other religions outside Judaism. That was the layout for kabbalah. Golden Dawn practiced mysticism and magic native to Judaism. The mysticism of thelema is full of eclecticism from Hindu, Egyptian, Taoism, Wu Wei, Christianity, Judaism. I hope this helps.
Hi Georgina! Great vid. Can you please do a video on how to ascend and do the Path of Tav? Like I want to know how to do it exactly. You're great!
Thank you, for this.
Excellent video. You earned me as a sub. I have been a Thelemite for 24 years. I have stayed away from the community mostly this whole time. LOL. I'm also a Chaos Magician, Druid, Astrologer, and an Anglo-Saxon Heathen. Thelema compliments each of these, and each of these compliments Thelema. Anyway, appreciate your rational, and entertaining presentation.
@anon-8519
4 ай бұрын
Explain to me how one can be a Chaos Magician and a Druid
@unfettered_
4 ай бұрын
@@anon-8519 A central tenet of Chaos Magic is "nothing is true, everything is permitted", or some variation of that. Thelema, Druidry, Heathenry, Astrology, all provide a rich well of myth, symbols, and mysticism to draw upon for working magic. These systems speak to me the most. I am of the Order of Bards, Ovates, and Druids (OBOD). It is a Neo-Druid order that teaches a universal model of Druidry. One can be a Druid and a Christian, for example.
You raise a series of good points and it’s refreshing that nuance is mentioned. I’m of the mind that nuance is of extreme importance. When subjected to nuance we will find anomalous happenstance which in turn creates a probability for more anomalies. This extrapolation is something that I believe raises the importance of personalized rituals and practices. The core beliefs aside from the association with the book of law were something I already was functioning with yet eventually stumbled upon thus giving it a name. A lot of thelemic claimants have rubbed me the wrong way and the political banter is definitely a telltale feature of cherry-picking. There are a lot of contradictory positions I’ve heard mainly from thelemites that subscribe to libertarian ideology. In my experience it’s about 6-8 of 10 that interprets “do what thou wilt” is “do whatever tf u want.” I’ve seen similar in other Kaots. Granted there is a lot of spiritual isolationism amongst folk in general who tow these lines but who on this planet has existed without others’ efforts and accomplishments. We simply don’t pass like ships ignoring the waves. Many philosophies coincide and align with the core beliefs and it could likely be argued that there is an ideological followthru that fits a political agenda. I feel the main issue is the binary comparison of extremes and that hyper analysis of Thelemic texts and teachings will never completely align with some type of rigid governance. There’s no straight ticket. We can certainly eject certain types such as authoritarian or totalitarian subscription but if we look at a macrocosmic/ microcosmic relationship- we’ve all adhered to these formats in smaller yet definitive examples. I have severe autoimmune issues that has destroyed organs and forced replacement and re-learning. Is it my will to destroy myself at a cellular level? Perhaps. So far that has not been stronger than my will to survive and adapt. We forget the selves we experience and eras we go through… seasons of life because they only align with personal benchmarks that typically go unnoticed until hindsight. We forget that our feelings are conglomerate and sometimes conflicting. That cognitive dissonance often shows me a paradox and a learning process which i would have not found otherwise… the joy in sorrow, the liberty of constriction, the pain of comfort… It’d be nice if there was some samepagedness but vetting ulterior and adverse agenda is not possible because we do change - those seasons of life are important to our awareness. I hope your vid has inspired others to send messages to those past seasons and past selves or at least allowed some to ponder the order in which they do things. Pun intended. Namaste 93/93
Great Video! Great Views!
Your outfit make me smile every time i watch a new video. Is your home just as cute? As a occultist when it comes to Crowley I see him as S. Freud was to psychoanalysis.
her outfits are always so cute.
Great videos
On burning Liber Al vel Legis, I think of the book as being like a sigil; and one way to activate a sigil is to burn it, activating it. I think it's worth at least trying to do this by printing it out (so you don't destroy a nice bound copy) and burning it.
Well said. Salutations!
Just keep ploughing thru it all,again and again,live your "other life" .. more you read (fiction) the more the wires twist together... i get flashes of insight daily from the most mundane activities
hi I'm your subscriber from the Philippines. I'd like to ask how to become part/initiate of ordo templi orientis?
To my knowledge, and this came first as a surprise, Crowley was actually an aristocrat, he believed in "benevolent despots" to quote him. There is even another passage in his Confessions where he endorse "patriarchal Initiated Kings". He also referred to the OTO structure as ideal for combining seemingly opposed systems in a harmonious way.
Great video. Much truth here. Thanks. Love is the law. 93.
I might also add that it through growing and gaining of knowledge do they also change their mind at any given point anytime it is a bigger than hypocritical forgiveness can either meet had or not had but me personally I like to forgive and see that you said no one is coloring within thelines in this grand story book called life thank you again I appreciate you
I have been studying and have a good understanding and knowledge of ritual magick. I have had quite a bit of correspondence with 2 practicing Occultists via phone and the internet recently and they have both been encouraging me to put into practice all that I have learnt. One of them keeps saying to 'stop putting all your time in just studying and start doing', despite the fact that I am not very good at meditating. So I have been reluctant, and not just because of that, but also there are some things that I don't have and can't make for meself such as robes and a sword, and here in the state of Victoria Australia it is illegal to sell, buy or possess swords and I don't have the skill or tools to make one (besides if you get caught in possession of a sword here, you are likely to incur a heavy jail sentence), so I would really apprecaite it if you could give me some advice or solutions with these setbacks, thanking you in advance.
Just like school you don't go from preschool to college over night. It takes time with learning/understanding occult/metaphysics/etc.
Nice post ;)
Thanks!
Poor crowley was highly misunderstood by alot of people. He was never a bad person, but he loved people and that's why he did the work he did. I love Aleister crowley.
I live in NYC. How would you recommend I get started with Thelema?
@abdelrahmanmustafa8937
Ай бұрын
Meet me at the telephone booth at boulevard intersection at 930 pm sharp. You come alone, and bring the suit. No pigs or 50.
Hey off topic what shade is that lipstick 💄?
After watching 1 of your videos I became hooked! I can listen to you all day ! And any chance you can do a video on Sex Magick, please? xoxo
Thelema without Crowley sounds like an apple pie, without apple, to me. However he was a conduit to his HGA and his personality can not be concerned all the time, but isn't his HGA a sort of Crowley also? so how can it be possible Thelema without the book of Law, so how can it be possible the book of Law without Crowley? I hope I dont sound extreme ignorant I was just thinking by writing :)
Early Egyptian myths imply the Sun is within the lioness Sekhmet at night and is reflected in her eyes, or that it is within the cow Hathor during the night, being reborn each morning as her son (bull).[3]
How much money does it cost these days to get 4th & PI? 5°? Half your pay Check? Your house? ;)
I've seen people advise everyone starting out with magick in any way shape of form to be *completely silent* about it even when it comes to your spouse and close friends. I agree with you though. That would create ridiculous amount of distance, stress and confusion in important relationships. I don't get why people think that's a good idea.
Like your good work
What i really want to know is how many of y'all have actually done these rituals to completion successfully? And the outcome?
The one thing I would highlight about Thelema is that ritual Magick is but practice for actual life. How to bring to bear upon ones living imagination and discipline inspiration and congruent world view. Remember children its to be played with practicing for actual life.
Interesting video. Crowley rhymes with holy.
So what benefit does one gain from pursuing the occult? Is there something you get from it that you can’t get anywhere else? How is it different from any other spiritual beliefs.
joined 'oto' . . . twice. once was in bloomington, indiana, where i suggest you call the lilly library & access his archive (one of.) i held leah hersig post cards & his responses from tunisia in my hand. the other time, i won't mention where, but i signed a contract (i remember some signature was in red??) & it advertised itself the official 'german order.' rather pricey. i absolutely NEVER felt an endemic connection to anyone. oh, except the 'scarlet lady' on the worldwide lodge--but other than that, nobody . . .
just discovered Thelemea. Was Crowley really an A+ wizard?
I was about to ask you about questions about keeping my head straight with enochian with context that I’m hybrid ceremonial/chaos/zen when I saw the dao
@davidh8367
2 жыл бұрын
I guess I’m mostly stressed by the way it’s affected my status quo and how my quirks have amplified such that I’m pushing people away.
@brianjauch9958
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidh8367 I read once that you should let Enochian come to you. Progress is at your pace.
Nobody mentions the A.A.! You’re so rad!
I would love to hear your opinion on the works of Oliver St John of the O.:.A.:. ( Order of the Star ) who have excepted The Book of the Law as there philosophical foundation but do not agree with Crowley's teaching methods nor promote his works, though there entire ceremonial ritual work of the O.:.A.:. is orientated towards the teachings from Liber AL. The whole Order structure is of the Golden Dawn with a heavy Egyptian influence. I would value your opinion if you have the time, it would be welcome. Thanks 93/93/93 You may know one of his books; The Ending of the Words: Magical Philosophy of Aleister Crowley.
Hahaha I always call it "practical mysticism" to outsiders. That gets a much better reaction than occultism or magic. People freak out when they hear that.
consumerism is much closer to hedonism than Thelema
I've written a few scientific papers on systems, (physical) reality, and consciousness. I mention there some Jungian psychology and synchronicity, but I do my best to keep it rigid rather than superstitious. I'll continue with that work if and only if I become the actual Moonchild's father and give him/her the name Gabriel(a).
Just fleeting thoughts at this moment. Will change my mind in 30 years or 30 seconds♡. Acceptance forgiveness true love
I'm softening my position on Crowley. He had positives and negatives...⚖️
I like the concept of deconditioning one's self in order to discover one's "True Will." I don't know why the rituals, etc. are necessary. I'm open to experimenting with them. My questions are: (1) Are the rituals necessary to de-indoctrinate one's self from social influences? (2) What are the advantages of being a Thelemite in discovering one's True Will?
Sound very Austin Powers-ish at 4:20. Which would explain the excellent hair and teeth.
“Crowley”.. rhymes with “holy”
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
17 күн бұрын
Not like Crawly that rhymes with flauwly…
God bless you 🙏🏾
I think you said it perfectly when you said you can't put anyone in a box therefore I don't think that we should put all Catholics and or anyone in any political affiliation into a I think that we all have our own ideals and don't believe which shape us and no one is saying so to say that all Catholics and or any political affiliation all the people in that group in the same is also untrue so I agree with you but I also have to agree to disagree with you on the other thing and again I respect you and I thank you so much for your info
PS: From the Convert by Crowley. Holy.. Crowley… That’s how his last name is pronounced. Not Crowley or Fowl-ey “There met one eve in a sylvan glade A horrible Man and a beautiful maid. ‘Where are you going, so meek and *holy?* ‘ ‘I’m going to temple to worship *Crowley* ‘ “Crowley is God, then? How did you know?” “Why, it’s Captain Fuller that told us so.” “And how do you know that Fuller was right?” “I’m afraid you’re a wicked man; Good-night.” While this sort of thing is styled success I shall not count failure bitterness.”
Hi! Why not do a video on Franz Bardon books/system? You could maybe interview Martin Faulks which is a sincere adept of this path and a very nice person. And if someday you are interested in eastern traditions you could interview a Zhengyi Daoist maybe, for example myself 😉😉😉
Would you please discuss what kind of witchcraft or sorcery you perform to become more beautiful everyday? 😍😘
@Sylentmana
2 жыл бұрын
Quit simpin
@harryleighton7500
Жыл бұрын
That was corny !
I believed in little to nothing outside of the physical world. Then I met a person. I noticed odd behavior. And i saw things I would have never believed to be real/possible. I live in a constant buzzing torture sound that controls most all my sleep and will exhaust me, and hear forced injected thoughts that are sick, dumb, and pervertedly ignorant. It has consumed my mental state. I filmed things happening around me and what I saw on the videos was not of this world (at least, it was not my reality). However, my thoughts are high-jacked and life is a living hell most of the time. It has gone on for almost 8+ years very hard. But i recall odd thoughts as a child as well, but nothing as sick or as evil as these. However, I have had a number of mystical experiences. That are too much to type here & nobody will believe me... even if showing video proof of supernatural - the instant response is 'No i see nothing - now GIVE ME THAT VIDEO NOW!'.... Well, that's kinda weird.. especially coming from my own family. Anyways, im now pretty much in isolation, lost job from a terrible 'tonal torture' that seems to be injected/forced to my brain. It almost killed me. I try to work out, pray, etc.. as it is said to help w this. And medicine does a small bit, but it is a hatred put upon me that is beyond description... But why i ask this to you is because I have a 'narrator' in the mystic experiences, and they told me once that my 'guide' was Alice... I was thinking 'oh, alice in wonder land - ha', but they said meet alice - ALISTER CROWLEY. And an old man said 'Hello David'... i had no idea who he was. So i researched him. ... and this was not 1st mystical experience, but one ore recent. And a ton of stuff happened, but i can't write it all out here.... My point/question is this:: Can you help me? What does this mean? Why are my beliefs near the same as what his were now? (like people being the stars, etc...) In other words - my life was high-jacked. and taken me on a trip to hell. There seems to be many entities in my mind now and they pretend/act like all my thoughts affect them when i think them. Mostly they mock until i get so enraged that i cant take any more. Anyways, I am NOT interested in this, and not a believer in such.... even with these IRL events happening + video proof of things that some i have identified online as entities from weird religions and spiritism. I do not want this. I fight it everyday now, and the only solution i can see is a bullet after this long. So if you can tell me how to stop this, or what to do to make it stop being so damn loud with this buzzing sound that i can not think for myself even, then it would be appreciated. ((There are tons of other things that happened, but i can not write it all out here))
😊 thank you
Like the embroidered pasties. Maybe aught to be a little more towards your centerline.
Can you please do a video on Alchemy.
I also believe in Thelema too 😍😍
IMO this happens to whomever starts something, like the gang initiations
Don't tell them it's a test! Now everyone who hears you say that before their first reading automatically fails 😂
🔮
I disagree with your ‘burn out’ view. I think Crowley wrote, “nothing succeeds in magic like excess”. The bursts in effort do not necessarily lead to burnout, rather a period of silent assimilation. Yet you are also correct, steady work is the most parsimonious. As for LARPING Crowley; lol sometimes this has attractions. BTW some folks have the view that Thelema is a philosophy not a religion. The ‘Thelema religion’ is probably half the problem with the matters you raise. Thelema as a religion is probably what Crowley set up for his ‘yahoos’.
@dodeka
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I always felt that an initial burn out period is necessary. Like ‘the comment’, it’s another test. Will one keep studying/practicing/contemplating when you feel you’re going thru a Dark Night of the Soul? And, Crowley totally LARP’d through the Middle East, Asia, and even Mexico (maybe even in America), heh! Not saying that’s an example to be followed, but assuming a disguise in a foreign land seems like a pretty good testing ground I’m curious tho, what’s your view (or anyone reading) on the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica arm of the OTO?
What's the difference between a lilly and a Lilith?
13:14 , I suppose the Outer Order is kinda twee but that’s as far as you’ll get.
Thanks to this channel i have adapted many thelemic practices into my satanism with great results thank you so much