The amount of time needed to open and close these machines at least 5 times, dedication. Great job luke.

@AppleTechPro870

2 жыл бұрын

I know right. I was thinking the same thing. I mean to upgrade or switch one thing especially the storage you need to take the almost whole thing apart to get there.

@johansugarev

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't iFixit successfully swap the ssd between two machines? kzread.info/dash/bejne/ho16l5RwdNTUp7w.html

@user-es7jj7pt9w

Жыл бұрын

But it is also, totally pointless. We all know what apple does, besides putting a second ssd in there when the cooling probably wouldn't handle that very well ... etc... creating all sort of new problems ...

The SSDs are most likely encrypted with per-machine keys. I've seen M1 MBA being upgraded by resoldering the SSD chips - and it worked, but required Apple Configurator and DFU mode. The "SOS" blinking pattern is precisely Apple's way of asking for a DFU recovery.

@WalrusRiderEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@JoeCastellon

2 жыл бұрын

I came looking for this comment. I have the same hypothesis, they're SSD's that are locked to the machines because they are primary SSDs on each machine. I suspect you would be able to install brand new ones with no issues.

@gutless_worm

2 жыл бұрын

They aren't SSDs. They're raw NAND chips that interface with a controller built in to the SOC.

@ghostofdre

2 жыл бұрын

@@gutless_worm That's exactly what an SSD is, a type of flash based storage. Pity these are crippled, Apple trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

@ssranon

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghostofdre Not really. An SSD has a storage controller built into it. In Apple's case, the storage controller is built into the M1 SoC, and the storage chips are socketed using some proprietary Apple connector. In other words, it's as if Apple surgically removed the controller from an SSD, embedded that into the SoC, and then put the raw storage chips in a socket. TL;DR - These aren't "crippled" SSDs because they aren't SSDs.

Hats off to you for great work.

@fishbert42

2 жыл бұрын

"Great work" might include googling the part number on those TI controller chips (CD3218B12) to find out they're for the adjacent USB ports before leaping to conclusions about penny-pinching SSD controllers ... which didn't make sense anyway because there'd still be pads on the board if they were no-populating parts to reduce cost.

Was contemplating one of these machines but I like to upgrade my systems from time to time. Thanks for putting the time _and_ money into this.

@joeyfotofr

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's why I'm still working on a 2010 MacPro 5,1 12-core 3.46 machine (which began life as a much lower 8-core), while looking to upgrade and finding discouraging apple business practices that build in massive wastes of resources and abuse of customer's loyalty. There is a wonderful Japanese proverb: "Greed turns to stupidity as surely as food turns to shit."

@davidallen3158

27 күн бұрын

These computers are way too expensive to not be upgradable.

UPDATE: Part 2 is out now with Configurator 2 experiment and a ton of additional information! I spoke with several Genius Bar employees anonymously to shed some light on the situation: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gWur1MhrdJDQZco.html Also, check out Morning Brew for free here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnmrtcGPd6eYqbw.html They helped make this extremely risky video possible lol

@gian-lucalauwens703

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, it’s amazing how much time and effort you spend on making us the best video’s ❤️

@lxr4781

2 жыл бұрын

Can u link the wallpaper plz?

@MichaelSidneyTimpson

2 жыл бұрын

how come I always try to upgrade or fix a mac I do more damage instead? not the same problem I have with PCs.....

@aelaan12

2 жыл бұрын

I think it has to do with the security Apple is enforcing on us. It is a bit sad to have to pair the drive with the security chip. I am pretty sure a way around will be found, needs some time. I agree Apple does not care about the right to repair, with Apple you have no rights and everything is going to cost a large amount of money.

@PedroM125

2 жыл бұрын

The cost of the device is outrageous. For the same amount of money, you could easily build a 5950x, 3080ti, 64Gb RAM or even point to a Threadripper. For all and still you are not "allowed" to replace a SSD? Really? Luke, good luck with your endevours. I'm from a time when Mac's were able to be upgraded with normal components and repairs were expensive but possible.

Sigh

@KaddeMario

2 жыл бұрын

Make a rant video of it :)

@BlindMango

2 жыл бұрын

I agree Louis, this is yet another big sigh from Apple…

Thank you Luke; this is exactly what I wanted to know. I have the Mac Pro (Late 2013) that I got in 2015 and have since upgraded it myself from 1T SSD to 2T SSD and from 32GB DRAM to 64GB DRAM. When I first purchased it, I thought, "I'll never, ever need more than 1T of storage and 32GB of DRAM." But of course, I did. My current Logic sessions, when mature, use over 40GB of DRAM. Knowing if the M1 Studio is upgradable was a key decider for me, and you solved it. BTW, on another note: the SSD upgrade I did was from a Mac parts 3rd party, completely approved, and when updating to Monterey, the upgrade would not complete, because Apple said the SSD was not compatible. I had to get the original SSD, upgrade it to Monterey, so it would update the Firmware, and then put my 3rd party SSD back in and upgrade it to Monterey.

@critical

9 ай бұрын

I even swapped processor on my late 2013 :)

Thank you for performing these trials.

Plus if apple is really honest with their environmental concerns, they must respect the right to repair!

@blugaledoh2669

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Apple's right to repair.

@StaceyAyodele

2 жыл бұрын

They're greenwashing. They don't care about your rights, only your money.

@rinner2801

2 жыл бұрын

Apple don't care. They never have and they never will .

@blugaledoh2669

2 жыл бұрын

@@rinner2801 Yeah I know that why I said APPLE's rights to repair. They want customer to pay apple for repairs.

@StaceyAyodele

2 жыл бұрын

@@rinner2801 Yep...and the trip, people will STILL BUY IT! So Apple can do whatever. I'll stick with my upgradeable PCs thanks

This may be a situation like the 2019 Mac Pro SSD upgrade. It requires special steps but it does work. Luke, please look into how the Mac Pro is upgraded and see if you are missing software level steps to enable this.

You did a great job of articulating exactly what I’ve been feeling for the past few years with apple! Thank you!

Very instructive video ! Thanks

Intriguing. You might wanna try booting the Mac Studio into DFU mode. Then, on another Mac, install Apple Configurator so you can reflash the firmware, so the SSD can be properly accessed, much like the same procedure on a 2019 Mac Pro. No guarantees, but it might be worth a shot!

@sardanus

2 жыл бұрын

it's not possible at the moment, in the future, who knows

@ARamirez150

2 жыл бұрын

@Gaming York yep! DFU mode’s been on every Mac since the T1!

@ExperienceCN

2 жыл бұрын

Did it work when he swoped the storage back to the original machine or is it also locked? Or did you mean to make it work with the storage from the second machine?

you need to do a DFU restore using Apple Configurator 2.

Great video! Thanks for your test and evaluation!

So timely, and informative. Great job! I'm in the market for a new video editing/music production desktop and the Mac Studio has caught my attention, however, it seems Apple has become the very thing the Mac was designed to free us from in 1984. I've been a mac person since 1984, but these closed architecture solutions are beyond my level of tolerance. Too much money for zero upgrade path doesn't sound like a good investment to me.

Well I think that the Secure Enclave on the chip is restricting it (same as the 2019 Mac Pro, where you had the T2 chip, you also can’t just swap out the drives) for security reasons. People were able to get it working through Apple Configurator 2, try using that after swapping, you basically authorize the new drive and it might work.

@alanmay7929

2 жыл бұрын

At least on the Mac pro you still have tons of storage upgradability from pcie ssd to hdd….

@LiLBitsDK

2 жыл бұрын

and how would he use that when it doesn't even boot?

@Visualization1

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and I think many people are overlooking that security feature. Because if you can swap from one Mac studio to another, then you have a better change to steal or get that data off that SSD.

@JeanSamyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@LiLBitsDK you have to use other Mac

@RashidTak

2 жыл бұрын

@@Visualization1 What security feature?

You need to try using AppleConfigurator 2 to "resync" the drives. You have to do that with mac Pro 7,1 too

@lukemiani

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely going to give this a try at some point. However, even so the fact that Apple makes what could be a simple process so difficult is discouraging and meant to drive consumers to paying extremely high prices to upgrade from the factory

@EnaBBQ

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukemiani yeah its annoying, but if its at least possible it would be less of an issue. Look it up how its done, its kinda like doing a DFU restore on an iPhone. That is probably done to re-setup the drive encryption trust between the m1 and the SSD.

@Nupagadiesiebensachen

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukemiani its pretty simple… download Apple Configurator 2 to your Host Mac. Connect a usb c cable to the usb c port next to the Ethernet port on the Mac studio. The other end connects to your host. Plug the power cord into the Mac studio while holding down the power button. After 5-10 seconds it should show up in dfu mode on your host. Right klick and restore… hope it helps 👍

@brayannexon4613

2 жыл бұрын

Sure but on my pc I just clone my old drive into a new one and it boots off the new one what's their justification for not allowing that?

@Viggemigge

2 жыл бұрын

It is inexcusable. A 15 year old harddrive would launch in a brand new PC, if you wanted it to. Its ridiculous.

That's crazy. Great video!

Great work, a lot of time open and close, trying to upgrade. Keep it up😄

I think you miss a step, because with all Macs With A T2 Chip you have to restore the firmware for it to notice new/different storage modules. I know this to be true with the Mac Pro 2019 Models. I think if you did that then we could truly know if they did something more to blocked just being able to replace the drive.

@wshtb

2 жыл бұрын

In all my previous lives, you just have to commit suicide in order to reincarnate into another family with better fortune. It's really no big deal. If you plan right, the suffering is minimal.

@andrewgrant788

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that the only T2 Mac with upgradable storage is the 2019 Mac Pro. You do need to connect a separate Mac to pair the storage to the Mac Pro.

@ThinkNoodle

2 жыл бұрын

@@wshtb I now realise that this is where I’ve been going wrong!

@obiwan5999

2 жыл бұрын

@@wshtb Yeah, keep relying on others for their fortune rather than know you can make your own, great way to stay broke your entire life.

I have access to internal documents and Mac Studio repairs have a similar process to replacing a screen on iPhone 12/13. The Mac puts itself in DFU mode to be restored by System Configuration which (by my assumption) flashes the security chip to allow it to boot.

The LED SOS Morse code is hilarious

Thanks for this illuminating vid!

With the Mac Pro, you have to restore firmware to the T2 chip using Apple Configurator when upgrading the storage modules. Maybe this is or will be a similar process?

Thanks for going the extra mile to check if the SSD works in the other slot. Let's hope OWC will have an upgrade in the future for this unit. There maybe information on how to do this that isn't published yet. If the SSD went bad, Apple tech must have a way to allow the system to accept a replacement device. I think It's too early for this info to be out but I suspect it eventually will make its way to the public.

it's to do with the way that the modules interface with the processor and the way that arm architecture works means that the controller is on the m1processor for the SSD making it a little bit more difficult to swap the memory modules because these actually don't have a controller on the actual board itself, meaning that you may actually need a piece of software to reset the controller inside the m1 chip since arm architecture is very tightly integrated with itself this becomes a very difficult subject around right to repair but it's all depending on if Apple allows people to get access to the necessary tools to reset the controller in order for people to be able to change the memory modules, if you actually look at the memory modules themselves you'll notice that they don't actually have a controller unlike an nvme or mSATA SSD usually arm architecture is a very tightly integrated with itself generally controllers and memory modules have to work in tandem and the controller has to have a reference of the addresses available on the NAND chips. I'm in no way defending this product and I support right to repair but having the understanding of how this machine actually works compared to x86 based machines is necessary.

I love this guy!!! thanks for standing up for us!!!!!!💪🏻💪🏻

Interesting. You may need to boot into recovery menu, disable all safeties and encryption, and only then exchange or add storage.

@ArielGonzalez1

2 жыл бұрын

It makes sense. Also, that Texas instruments controller might have something to do (in case your point didn't work). one thing do-able may be some kind of re-write or something

@macbitz

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, there is an engineer's work-around 👍🏼

@fabiospringer6328

2 жыл бұрын

A decent normal non apple computer will enter bios mode as soon as it can't read an OS.

@batsonelectronics

2 жыл бұрын

@@fabiospringer6328 Apple shows the Line thru it splash screen, but this is doing something that essentially doesn't allow it to even pass the BIOS stage. Like bad memory on a Win Machine will just show flashes and never show a LCD image. Adding the different SSD is keeping it from passing POST.

@fabiospringer6328

2 жыл бұрын

@@batsonelectronics wich means apples is locking you out of your own computer because you dared to change it storage. It is not bad memory, it is bad storage wich should not lock you out of bios settings.

I'm sure there will be a way from the aftermarket to flash the boot loader to allow for 3rd party SSD upgrades.

@qiyuxuan9437

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda pointless, since those are special apple connector, there are no 3rd party ssd that will work.

@abc123fhdi

2 жыл бұрын

@@qiyuxuan9437 they will start making ssd's that work with that connector like they did for MacBooks that had proprietary connector and you can buy aftermarket SSDs for now.

@qiyuxuan9437

2 жыл бұрын

@@abc123fhdi Macbook was still using nvme ssd with a modified connectors that is pretty much just like m.2. This new connector seems very different tho, the ssd has no controller on it, only nand, it might use a different protocol unlike the standerd nvme protocol. There might be patent issue for 3rd party to make compatible ssd. Since mac studio is a desktop, adding a thunderbolt ssd dock can easily expand storage without voiding your warranty.

Thanks Luke, looking forward to see the inside of the new M2 mini.

Hey Luke, I completely agree with you. Waiting for the 2nd part ...

I expect the 2 slots are for 4 or 8TB in raid array. You may need to reformat and boot from an external SSD

@mikehalloran1341

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. You have to initialize from Configurator on another Mac, then boot and install the OS from Internet Recovery.

Hopes were raised, hopes were dashed. The first part (trying to add a 2nd ssd) doesn't surprise as much as the second part... (swapping in a functioning mac ssd from a different Studio)

When ordering the Mac Studio, any of configuration details will be written onto the firmware which any of consumers can't doing such modifications after receiving the unit. Secondly, the storage inside SSD are encrypted uniquely on each machine, so swapping with one another is not possible. However, there is one thing that you might want to try - cloning the entire SSD storage bit by bit and transfer into 3rd party SSD, see if Apple is trying to locking SSDs only to one particular model instead of using any kind of 3rd party, even the storage had been cloned.

@arunsp767

2 жыл бұрын

But why? Why are they writing configuration details into firmware or why are they encrypting uniquely to each machine?

Thank you very much for this video ❤️

That's what I was afraid of when Apple introduced ARM64 based full fledged computers, it would give them an even greater excuse to just further lock down their hardware to the same level they've already been doing to their mobile devices.

Is there a possibility that the SSD you got from the other Mac Studio was still encrypted? In that case it would make sense that the other one can’t do anything with it

@allenshegog

2 жыл бұрын

that's exactly what apple has done, that's how its done on all iPhones and MacBooks.

@zaremol2779

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the SSD is probably FDE'd and decryption keys are stored in the original system's equivalent of a TPM chip so any other machine can't decrypt it, same will happen if you apply Bitlocker on a Windows machine, it will store the decryption key in the TPM of whichever machine you performed the Bitlocker encryption on so the disk won't boot on another one, but at least Bitlocker gives you an opportunity to use a recovery key in case you do swap the disk to another machine.

@rachelhutchison5961

2 жыл бұрын

@@zaremol2779 The difference, of course, being that a modern PC will boot into the onboard firmware and then let you boot any other attached bootable device, assuming it's signed (if secure boot is enabled) whereas apple needs a paired SSD just to show you the boot menu.

@zaremol2779

2 жыл бұрын

@@rachelhutchison5961 yes, because Apple chose not to use the ARM implementation of UEFI and instead went with creating their own proprietary firmware much like what every android phone has, even with with their Intel Macs, where they do use UEFI, they took out the configuration menu that you'd usually get and left everything else.

I love this channel. Great video!

11:59 Not to undermine anything else that you said. But I didn't see anything in what you showed to suggest that that slot is non-functional. * I wouldn't be at all surprised of it's only possible to boot from the first slot. * It worked well enough that the device recognised the foreign SSD and locked you out. That aside, I'm with you on evening else. This is the machine that has brought me the closest to actually buying a Mac. And then things like this are an excellent example of why I never will on their current trajectory. We have to get better at repairability.

theory: the second ssd slot recognizes a very specific type of ssd, one that only adds additional storage modules and has no independent controllers. as for the inability to recognize the known good ssd, I assume that the configuration of the ssd is tied to the serial, if you can boot into recovery or maybe even just refresh the nvram? I know they still have nvram even if it doesnt work the same as it used to.

@aceyriot

2 жыл бұрын

you can view the nvram settings in terminal with NVRAM -p

I know they started down this road with the current Mac Pro. It's upgradable, but Apple let everyone know that you should only use premium priced Apple provided hardware. I think in the end at least some third party parts worked, but there was always the threat that next update from Apple could brick your computer. It is indeed a disgusting practice, and clear dishonesty that Tim Cook had the audacity to promise support for RTR, when he knew they ready to launch new versions of all their products that could not be serviced, let along repaired by a third party.

This rant is amazing, go Luke!

Thank you, Luke. Appreciate it.

This is so sad. Hopefully we can make apple to change their minds and enable customer to upgrade their own mac!

@YD_.

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not possible due to drive encryption. The drives have different encryption keys, making them unreadable to each other

@krisjonson9193

2 жыл бұрын

or, just buying macs all together and they will listen. when they lose money

@YD_.

2 жыл бұрын

@@krisjonson9193 that’s not how that works. Most of their revenue isn’t from personal user sales. It’s from business sales

Maybe I missed it. Do they both work with the original SSDs but back into the correct units?

@JeanSamyr

2 жыл бұрын

If he didn’t said that doing this bricked the Studio, I think if you put back on the original hardware they will work fine.

What a Great Video, you touched on a many great points. Thank You so much!

That's a lot of hard work to get to the bottom of answering if the Mac Studio's SSD is upgradable. Thank you! I suspect it will be upgradable at some point in the future via Apple or via some clever 3rd party solutions.

Sad to see another useless Device if there is any damage on the SSD there is no way to replace it. The only option do you have is to boot from external Drives but that is not a solution for Device that cost 2K. But as always a Great Video !

Luke, can you re-authorise the SSD in the Mac Studio from another Mac with Apple Configurator and re-do the same test again? Thanks!

What an amazing paperweight! It just amazes me!

Great work, thanks!!!

What happens if you remove the SSD entirely? Can you still boot from a thunderbolt drive or will the system be completely dead once the storage module fails?

@aninterestingcharact

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!I’d like to know too

@batsonelectronics

2 жыл бұрын

I asked the same question as I want to boot from my 2TB Thunderbolt SSD.

@philiprobar

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t with an M1 Mini. If the internal drive, which is part of SOC, fails your mini becomes a brick.

@psoon04286

2 жыл бұрын

@@philiprobar not a smart thing then to opt for the bigger storage as it’s like putting all our eggs in the one basket😟

Have you tried using Apple Configurator 2 to try to redo the bridgeOS thing?

I think it could be as simple as 2nd ssd formatted to Apple friendly format. Using both encrypted bootable discks , both with system could confuse a device.

Woah, very interesting Luke.

I doubt it’s lack of controller. Second slot probably disabled by firmware, so only Apple can use it to offer higher storage options in the future, or compensate for module shortages (ie ship 2x 2TB modules if 4TB are too expensive or not available)

@core36

2 жыл бұрын

ye, i think so too, it is disabled in software, but i doubt that it is meant for you to get a storage upgrade in the future to your (by then) old device, but more like for apple to offer increased storage in new machines. there are only so much terrabytes that fit on a physically small ssd like this. this port is future proofing for them to not have to redesign the board in some years from now. i'll just sit here and wait for someone to make a mod chip for the studio, like they did on game consoles to play _unofficial_ discs.

@alesksander

Жыл бұрын

@@core36 Still wrong way to do things.

@monsterpatch9074

Жыл бұрын

it wont work because those nands are for the 0 bus and you are trying to place them in the 1 bus.

@0x80O0oOverfl0w

11 ай бұрын

Pretty sure you're right on the money. Typical Apple efforts to prevent people from installing anything but MacOS on their hardware or installing MacOS on non-Apple hardware.

@lwicke1972

9 ай бұрын

Yes it will be...! 😜 And not that Apple also wants to make money with proprietary hardware..

The HDDs are signed in a manner that enables (non-)repudiation. EG: The police suspect you of a crime, seize your computer, do not find any offending files but want to save face, so they plant some. The manner in which Apple handles its storage prevents this.

@kamakairade2402

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlappyPoosay After a $35k legal bill... I really can't afford to smoke anything anymore.

Incredibly well-made video!

... enlightening. Thank you!

Question: Don't current Macs use the T2 chip for encryption? Is it possible that changing drives around breaks the encryption. You might have needed to decrypt the drive first (if that's even possible.) I know that's the case if I pull out a BitLocker'ed drive on a Windows machine. It's been especially annoying on new Windows 11 laptops (assuming they have removable drives.) Good luck.

@TimurTripp2

2 жыл бұрын

Only the more recent Intel Macs have the T2 chip, however the M1 Macs likely have similar logic in them.

@JakeM218

2 жыл бұрын

@@TimurTripp2 The T2 chip was essentially an apple iPhone chip that works in conjunction with the Intel chip to produce a hybrid system. As well as locking down the drives for security reasons, the T2 chip also helped with encoding and other workflows. I assume as it was already an apple chip, it would be easy to copy those features across and incorporate them into M1.

My head spins looking at all the tear downs and reassembling you did. That must have been a CRAZY day for you. THANK YOU for doing this for us!!

Great video Luke.

Great job Luke.

Out of curiosity, has anyone checked to see if a MS purchased with maxed out storage has the second slot populated? Or is it still empty. Not sure if this matters but it might offer explanation that this is done on a firmware level from the factory based on what o is purchased.

@waisinglee1509

2 жыл бұрын

According to Max Tech's latest video on the mini Max, the second slot should be populated.

@MrEd-qg8td

2 жыл бұрын

@@waisinglee1509 The 2nd slot is populated on the 4TB and 8TB SSD models

Haven’t read through all the comments and I 1000% agree with you. One thing.. T2 Security and the way the drives/content/serial are paired. Did you try turning off T2 security on the machine then swap? Just to see if that helps?

Hey, wow! You got an Ars Technica rebuttal! Kudos!

Kudos on you! Very good presentation and I fully agree with you!

I'm just curious, if you opt for the 8TB of storage, at the time of purchase, do they actually populate those slots?

@13StJimmy

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking But I think no one wants to buy the 8TB model to find out 😂

Given it's Apple, "Is the Mac Studio upgradeable?" question can be answered without risking hardware - no, it is not.

@Maradnus

2 жыл бұрын

Yet because they made un upgradable units they have been able to developed one of the most amazing chips on the market. one that in its first gen thretens every other unit on the market. It wont change how shitty this situation is. not being able to swap drives is a real no no! and then you have windows that is basically one big problem that some how works, and when connecting new internal drives you need to have a degree on the inner workings of the board you use so that you can actually use all the slots provided. and oh my you better not have a cheap board because that's only good for 2 drives and 1 pcie lane... To just say "because apple" is ignorant. What they have shown with their unified chips is that the "upgrade path" is not always the best way. For many many people the ram is the thing that you are more likely to upgrade over time if anything, you can always add external storage.

@marekkedzierski8237

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maradnus Sorry, but there in no technical reason why Apple couldn't put a couple standard gen 4 Nvme slots in this design. Apple drives aren't better then standard, high end, Nvme drives. The only reason they do it this way is so they can charge an arm, leg and kidney for storage.

@Chrisp707-

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maradnus storage is something that needs to have the ability to be upgraded especially on a $5,000 machine. You average person isn’t paying 5 grand for a computer. Once you go about say 2.5k you start reaching the realm of content creators and I can tell you most I know and have watched would much prefer to have the ability to upgrade their SSD rather than to carry around an external drive.

@Maradnus

2 жыл бұрын

@@marekkedzierski8237 and? so what if they do! are we going to winge that super cars can use normal fule because that what you want to drive?? it's not a computer for normal people its for pro's who's business will soak the extra charge for the storage.. I will happily pay more so I stay under a tax bracket.. why give the tax man that cash for nothing when apple are charging your first born but you get something for it. yes they could very easily have allowed us to install one. but that rubber ring is clearly not meant to be removed by us. I agree is a very crappy move and I really think that it would be better for them. A raid unit can be brought for $200 that can hold 50tb. to winging about internal storage in this day and age is a real joke. My editing rig has 200tb external storage. You raise a valid point.

@Maradnus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chrisp707- yes true. I am a creator (not this account) and the convenience or being able to replace it my self is amazing. Yet being able to plug in a raid unit and have hundreds of terabytes right there, that is more useful that a single 1-2tb internal drive. I do have a 5k rig and it would be so bad to have to send it in to just replace a drive. its loads of hassle. but caddies that hold of hundreds of terabytes beat that hands down. no one is carrying a Mac studio around. I brought a top spec Macbook to keep me below the tax bracket, that is really common. as its meant for pro's who are buying them for the company.

Really good video, Luke

I had thought of taking a look around before buying this car and luckily I found your video that made me change my mind,. thank you!

I appreciate the risk you've taken by disassembling both Mac Studios and I do appreciate your video. But man I wish if you'd just reached this a bit prior? The M1 chip just like the T2 before needs to establish a one time security handshake to set it up for the internal usage.. Have you considered putting the Mac Studio into DFU and restore it? This way 100% it'll merge both SSD in RAID 0 and appear as one.. I'm not defending Apple, Apple do not care a single bit for Right to Repair but I wish if you'd made a quick research before going into this. Thanks again

11:33 the benefit is that (1) Apple doesn't need to manufacture different motherboard for different storage models, and (2) separate ports for hard-drive means faster read time. Not trying to defend apple's decision here, just laying out their rationale for this choice (my guess). Edit: one more thing, their hard drive is encrypted, so a third party one is probably not allowed. Again, not trying to defend them.

PERFECT i watched many mac studio videos and in them it always looked like it was a super fast machien but with this video i know its i bad machine PERFECT VIDEO!!!

Great work and video! Agree with you a 100%!

you absolute mad lad

While I am a user and love the Mac/iOS experience --Good luck with Apple changing their business model. Only massive customer outcry or Congressional Signed Law will ever make this happen. And you are right, the "right to repair" is only receiving lip service from Apple.

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

2 жыл бұрын

rightfully so, especially in Apple products. the efficiency of this products is off the charts, you cannot even send your device to repair/upgrade in comparison to this method appple is doing. you will waste more money and CO2, far more. Apple is dooing everything correctly. fuck the right to repair movement which has no clue whatsoever about the consequences of their woke BS movement causing the opposite of what they claim.

@Four1LF

2 жыл бұрын

Remember Apple's response to the Final Cut Pro 7 OUTRAGE -they just put Final Cut Pro 7 back for sale but keep changing their FCP X (or, as it's currently called iMovie Pro) -until the O.S. changed and FCP 7 wouldn't work anymore though tens of thousands still used it. That's when EVERYBODY found out that Apple could care less about their Pro users -not really. Apple didn't blink when they discontinued Aperture, screwing over tens of thousands of professional photographers.

Dam, you really nailed this video!

My guess is that they are running in a RAID configuration and the drives need to be configured as so. I would try plugging in both drives and booting a mac usb install drive to format both drives and run RAID assistant. Also, that 2nd slot is probably only for RAID configuration. Since it's coming from factory, it might be the default and only option. Also, swapping the drives, did you try a clean install or recovery mode? Doesn't the T2 chip come into play because of encrypted storage and secure boot?

I really hope Apple changes course on this, and they push a firmware update. It's completely a dick move, even if it is for 'security' - not many people are going to risk messing with an exposed power supply to steal data or to scam someone

@tonyburzio4107

2 жыл бұрын

Except for Chinese intelligence agents who get arrested with alarming regularity inside American companies and government research labs.

@utubekullanicisi

2 жыл бұрын

Copy-pasting another comment so you cna see it: "@Luke Miani its pretty simple… download Apple Configurator 2 to your Host Mac. Connect a usb c cable to the usb c port next to the Ethernet port on the Mac studio. The other end connects to your host. Plug the power cord into the Mac studio while holding down the power button. After 5-10 seconds it should show up in dfu mode on your host. Right klick and restore… hope it helps 👍" And also "That is probably done to re-setup the drive encryption trust between the m1 and the SSD."

@eulehund99

2 жыл бұрын

@@utubekullanicisi even if it's a copy paste, you normally should not need another Device to update a fricking SSD.

@DetroitMuscle

2 жыл бұрын

People will steal your WHOLE computer. That's the point. What makes you think a thief is going to open up your mac studio and steal only the hard drive? I swear you people are so stereotypical Apple users that you don't even understand basic IT concepts. Drive are encrypted for physical theft. It doesnt matter if its windows, apple, android, or linux. These "tests" done on this video are flawed and would fail on any machine.

@My_Old_YT_Account

2 жыл бұрын

@@DetroitMuscle if it was only the encryption, it would still boot then give a ? screen as a hard drive is detected but unusable like any older macs

Thanks for doing this - when I saw the first teardown I thought the exact question you have answered. In my opinion, the baseline SSD at 512GB on the Max machine is way too small and so likely anyone buying that will want to upgrade at some point. My view is that given the physical slot is soldered in, that the necessary driver chips will be on the PCB (if only to give some flexibility for manufacturing options). Perhaps it is too early to just plug and play here and that at some point there will be some software steps as others have suggested. Certainly when I first encountered an M1 Mac Mini and tried to erase and setup the drive it was a major pain. I do live in hope ! Again, thanks for doing this at this stage..

I sympathise with you, as I've never seen you so pissed off before, and full of good reasons to be so. I have owned a variety of mac products so far... right now I use a M1 Macbook Air 13"base model to work on Zoom, and I still have a MBP late 2011 which I have upgraded to 16gb memory, 2 SSDs, 1TB each and even replaced the cheap subwoofer by the speakers found on the former Macbook 12" (that audio replacement took many hours of work and adaptations as well) , but the final result is a much powerful and cleaner sound. Believe me, the old MBP works like a charm for all tasks I do, including video editing. I love your videos and I totally agree that once I've paid for any equipment, I cloud have the right to upgrade it with minimum effort. Cheers man! Keep up with the amazing work you've done on your channel!

Did you put the original chips back in each original Mac Studio, and did they both boot up? Or are both machines disabled?

Luke, you’re killing me! 😱 Did you brick both machines in the end, or were you able to get them back up and running with their original SSDs in place? 🤔 Inquiring minds want to know!

@ademiravdic

2 жыл бұрын

Machines are finr

@TimurTripp2

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure they worked fine after he put in the original SSDs.

Have you tried restoring it with Apple Configurator?

Great work ma man.

Definitely not going mac any time soon now. Thanks for video.

I'd been somewhat interested in trying the Mac again after switching back to PC in 2009 following 3 years of a MacBook Pro. The M series intrigued me, all the more after seeing that the Mac Studio appeared to have room for upgrades. Together with the renewed focus on Right to Repair, I held out hope that Apple had finally started to make some reasonable concessions. It's now clearer than ever that Apple views even a $6000 pro workstation as a consumable device only because it has the ability to do so. Thank you, Luke, for getting this out in the open and for exposing Apple's pointless greed. If their products were moderately upgradable, more people would use them, for longer, offsetting much of whatever monetary losses Apple would incur from not pushing planned obsolescence on its users. But Apple chooses not to acknowledge that simple fact. It's probably going to take either hordes of angry customers, the rule of law, or both to convince Apple to change their ways. Until and unless they do, I'm definitely not using Apple hardware again.

@ArgentoRAWRz

2 жыл бұрын

I must say after9 years of imac 2013, i was excited and wanter to buy macbook pro or mac studio, and after this video im really thinking its better to go with asus laptop and a pc workstation made/configed by me, f Apple

@amogusamogus8490

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArgentoRAWRz try a framework laptop. only slightly thicker than a macbook, has upgradable ram, wifi card, ssds, and easy to get parts. YOu scan a qr code on a part inside and it takes you to a web page where you can buy a replacement. The motherboard will stay the same as new cpus come out so you can upgrade that too

@mynameis_2389

2 жыл бұрын

And ppl would still buy them

@casparhughey5651

2 жыл бұрын

they been doing this since 1977. why are you surprised? why did you switch? is it because they are not cool or you cant afford it? you just going to hurt yourself jumping off and on the bandwagon

@casparhughey5651

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArgentoRAWRz stay. we dont need ifanboy lies over here

I like that you so clearly demand the #RightToRepair here! In times of resource scarcity and climate change is a no go to behave like Apple did here! Keep it up! Thank you very much! With sunny greetings from Germany

Excellent content!

If all you said it absolute.. you saved a lot of us out there a lot of time and effort and obviously money.. hats off to your efforts man

The Intel Mac Pro also doesn’t allow SSD exchanges. It’s permissions related for security as apple suggests. The may be a way to experiment with permissions to fix this

@alanmay7929

2 жыл бұрын

Lol….. at least the Mac pro offers both pcie and hdd storage upgrade, plus the multiple custom pcie cards possible.

@markpstapley

2 жыл бұрын

It's got nothing to do with security. That is an excuse plain and simple.

@flamingkillermc2806

2 жыл бұрын

Apple sells mac pro SSD’s lol

I like the ability to replace the ssd….those thing don’t last forever, so having the ability to replace a wear part is good. Having the controller integrated into the SOC, isn’t necessarily bad, but not allowing the user to correct the problem without something as simple as a preboot environment or bootable media is shitty.

@johansugarev

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ho16l5RwdNTUp7w.html iFixit managed to boot off another machine's ssd if I understand correctly. They have to be the same capacity. This guy doesnt know about Apple Configurator and DFU mode.

In a PC, you would probably have the same problems if the SSDs are configured with secure boot and in RAID configuration when you have two units. My guess is both things are set in the BIOS/firmeware in the Mac: they probably have a type of secure boot enabled, which causes an error on boot if you swap SSDs between computers. And, it probably also expects some kind of RAID setup when more than one SSD is detected. The difference with a PC is that you can simply go into the BIOS and clear secure boot keys and configure hardware controlled RAID yourself - not the case with the Macs. But yes, they may be going even further than that to make it even more difficult for users to upgrade the hardware on their own. After all, they charge you 3 times the cost of components when you configure your Mac in their website (e.g. If you select 4TB for your SSD, it costs 3 times what a 4TB SSD costs for a PC - same with RAM).

great video man

Also, check into Asahi Linux. The development of Asahi has uncovered some background information regarding how macOS boots on these machines (basically, having a "stub" macOS installation which boots a "containerised" macOS you interact with) and how the SSD behaves (including some issues with flushing it making the SSD super slow).

Kinda wondering if this has something to do with disk encryption on the Apple Silicone systems… Regardless, fully agreed. This is why I don’t bother with Apple desktops. I love me some MacBook Pros, and I can forgive a lack of upgradability in a laptop. But not in a desktop. You shouldn’t have to spend an extra $5k on a Mac Pro just to be able to upgrade the internal storage. This isn’t an appliance of an iMac that you stick in the den for 10 years as a family computer and replace when it doesn’t cut it anymore. This is a desktop designed specifically for people who need both more power and flexibility. Like, someone who might work in photo or video, already needs a good amount of working internal storage, and then maybe upgrades to a new camera that generates bigger files and finds that they could suddenly use more, even though the rest of the system is fine.

@MalcolmREBORN

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, it’s sad. Honestly just stick with Apple notebooks.

VERY informative, great movie .. I still wounder how apple upgrade your machine if you pay them to ..?

Just wondering but could some of the drive's logic be on the motherboard and those cards only have NAND flash chips on them. If the drive controller is on the board then I could see it needing to be with its specific drive, and needing a new firmware flashed to the controller for a different drive. Just a wild guess, haven't taken a close look at these at all, but those chips seem very small to be anything greater than 1 TB, which made me wonder all of this