So a few people have fairly pointed out that I neglected to mention another branch of Western animation, that being French animation, and European animation in general. While I am familiar with a few French animated movies like The Red Turtle, Song of the Sea, The Breadwinner, etc. unfortunately it's not something I was knowledgeable enough about to consider talking about here. This is such a broad topic so I used this video as more of a personal reflection on Western animation as it's changed to me, my own experiences with it, and how the zeitgeist has shifted from my perspective. That being said, I'm always interested in learning more, so feel free to comment any European animated movies that you would recommend, and hell, any videos or articles talking about the history of European animation would be cool as well!

@thrush_the_dutch

5 жыл бұрын

I dug through a bunch of these a while back. Here are some of the best ones I saw. Long way north (my favorite) Ernest and Celestine Ethel and Ernest Cat in Paris Phantom boy My life as a Zucchini April and the extraordinary world. These are all really good and creative. I suggest you check each of them out. I didn’t include the “secret of Kells” branch, as I assume you’re already aware of that company.

@NotFluplaxio

5 жыл бұрын

PhenomSage I’m surprised you didn’t mention Castlevania at all in this. That was the one American show that had weebs foaming at the mouth within the last year.

@addicted2p0rn

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think there's a correlation with the 2d style and the failure of these movies. A lot of the 2d movies you mentioned just happen to be bad movies. I mean get over it people the Emperor Turns Into A Talking Llama and the Hawaiian Girl and the Alien were crap compared to earlier Disney movies. Just because those did bad does not mean it had to do with the style.

@PhenomSage

5 жыл бұрын

@@addicted2p0rn Those movies are cult classics dude lol, Lilo and Stitch/Emperor's New Groove were both received very well. No idea where you're getting the idea that they underperformed because of their quality.

@PhenomSage

5 жыл бұрын

@@NotFluplaxio Castlevania is really cool visually, I don't really have much to say about it other than that though. It would fall under what I said about there being exceptions to television that produce really high quality animation, I would also put Voltron under that umbrella as well.

I don’t mind cgi but the fact that almost EVERYONE here in the west is switching to it really discourages me. Id rather have a balance of both.

@churchboy4609

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@pforgottonsoul

4 жыл бұрын

balance/moderation is key to most things in life.

@plasticflower

4 жыл бұрын

Makes you wonder how long it'll be until japanese animation also switches towards CGI. I mean pixar-like CGI, not the abominations that are already used in a lot of anime these days where characters look like models from a PS2 game. Uh, actually, even though I'm not particularly fond of 3D-CGI, it would be a huge step up from the type of CGI that's used in anime these days...

@youcantconvinceamoronnotto7117

3 жыл бұрын

anime is the way

@DylanoRevs

3 жыл бұрын

Thanos approves

I find 2D animation so much more emotional and engaging than CGI.

@Rishi123456789

4 жыл бұрын

2D animation = SOUL 3D animation = SOULLESS

@kaseycombs6968

4 жыл бұрын

Rishi we’re just disregarding the entirety of Pixar and Spider-Verse, huh?

@elpakka274

4 жыл бұрын

@@Rishi123456789 wall-e

@CurtisD01

4 жыл бұрын

@@Rishi123456789 cg bad

@LatteDragon

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly think it depends. I think there's a few movies that work better with 3D. I think How to Train Your Dragon is a perfect example of a film that I have a difficult time seeing in 2D. Especially the first one. The incredible storytelling of when Hiccup takes Astrid for her first flight on Toothless and they soar through those incredibly colorful clouds and that sky... I'm sure a painted background of the same scene would be breathtaking too, but the depth and sense of scale would be very difficult to nail in 2D animation (Not impossible, but extremely difficult!). That scene is absolutely pivotal to the plot to the point where if it isn't nailed in a way that the audience doesn't feel the same sense of wonder or awe as Astrid, the theming of the movie that peace and cohabitation can make something more than the sum of it's parts would feel weaker to the eyes of most audiences. And the semi realism of the environment along with the physics that can be made more accurate/realistic through a 3D engine can make feelings of flight almost have more feeling, which, in a story that uses flight as much as that series does and the way it does, that movie would NOT be the same in 2D. The story wouldn't be weaker, but the grand scale and way it's told would be more difficult to pull off visually, and the extra dramatic flair gained with these advantages all work for the movie. In short, for every 10 movies using 3D as a crutch, there's still a movie or two that use it to enhance and utilize it for the incredible potential it absolutely has to create scenes like the flying scenes in the How to Train Your Dragon movie trilogy that shouldn't be overlooked! This is coming from an animation major whose main passion is 2D animation.

Let's be honest though, Tangled would have most likely seen the same success even if it was 2D animated. The emperor's new groove may have flopped, but somehow it managed to remain culturally relevant, even in memes today.

@rachelsacks8742

4 жыл бұрын

Prince Razeel I agree. I think Tangled just did well because rapunzel is such a well known fairy tale and the movie was well scripted, though I also thought the princess and the frog was amazing as well

@Tikibird79

4 жыл бұрын

Prince Razeel yep. I think studios need to stop blaming the reception on 2D and realize how much the content and themes and songs of a movie matter. For example, I think the reason why Princess and the Frog flopped had more to do with the elements mixed into the new one - it became a story set in New Orleans instead of, say, a fantasy kingdom, and how is that not going to appeal to kids less? And the music style wasn’t the type a lot of kids would go for, either. It’s also possible that there has been a general intrigue in 3D in the past decade, making people more likely to try those movies out. If that’s a factor, though, I would think it’s starting to wear off. As people become more used to high quality 3D it’ll lose its flair.

@CreamCheeseAlchemist

4 жыл бұрын

The Tangled tv show is 2d and animated by the same company as Hilda. It’s a real bright spot if you miss 2d animation and storytelling.

@s2s536

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, can you imagine a hand drawn Frozen? Can you imagine if the animators that did the Genie had hand animated Olaf! They could have done so much with that.

@MC-kg5gz

4 жыл бұрын

Emperor’s new groove partially flopped because it was originally a more serious movie. Its final budget included a lot of unused footage and audio material. And one of its first tv airings did so well that a series was ordered.

Basically: *Treasure Planet.* It started with Disney. Disney wanted an excuse to stop continuing with traditional animation, so they purposely barely advertised and refrained from making it more known so when it commercially flopped it would have an excuse to switch to cgi and the like. That was likely the start of the whole shenanigan.

@adriannaranjo4397

4 жыл бұрын

While at the same time fucking over it's two creators, who had done nothing but deliver cash cows to them, all because they kept asking to make Treasure Planet

@zacharyramirez5953

4 жыл бұрын

Wot Is This I don’t think that Disney would intentionally make a movie bad, for the reason of switching to cgi. A lot of people probably put a lot of work into that movie

@PimStoit

4 жыл бұрын

@@zacharyramirez5953 Treasure Planet was awesome and of insanely high quality (seriously, go watch it), but there was almost absolutely zero marketing for it, causing it to fail spectacularly at the box office. It's unknown why this happened, but the two theories are the OP's, and rumors about a fallout between Disney and the movies directors, because Disney was strangling them creatively. I think it's a bit of both.

@zacharyramirez5953

4 жыл бұрын

Pim Stoit Yeah, as a kid I don’t remember any commercials for Treasure Planet

@colanemo

4 жыл бұрын

@@zacharyramirez5953 yea it was actually a fantastic movie and was incredibly expensive and so much hard work and love was poured into it. then disney let it fail financially and go "see 2d doesnt make any money no more 2d movies" and primarily switched to cgi. heartbreaking 😢 and the movie didnt get the praise it deserved. i grew up loving disney and never even heard of treasure planet till a few months ago and i watched it and it became my all time fave disney movie

Normies think "eww cartoons" while eagerly awaiting the latest live action Disney disappointment

@Artemi099

4 жыл бұрын

@Peek- At -Ch'you um what does this has to do with politics

@theignaciortega

4 жыл бұрын

@@Artemi099 Oh, come on...

@AsmodeusFire

4 жыл бұрын

OMG YES

@Artemi099

4 жыл бұрын

@Peek- At -Ch'you why are you bringing politics tho. I'm on the right myself just so you know but this topic almost has nothing to do with politics.

@Artemi099

4 жыл бұрын

@Peek- At -Ch'you sure why not

A nightmare of mine? If anime becomes all cgi

@strictlyworse_mk7108

5 жыл бұрын

If you mean like Berserk 2016/17? Then yes! If you mean like Houseki no Kuni, then I wouldn't say nightmare. More like, "Yeah, its not great hand-drawn animation is phased out, but at least its not Berserk 2016/17."

@crownjewel2251

5 жыл бұрын

@@strictlyworse_mk7108 but hand animation would still be favorable, and i meant to say if all not just select anime shows hahah

@IamLegendAnon

5 жыл бұрын

Blending cgi and hand-drawn animation works pretty well though. Anime seems to screw it up all the time but it worked even as early as FLCL, which was one of the first anime to have digitized animation elements. Not to mention of course the Disney pictures of the late 90s or early 2000s, or something like Into The Spider-Verse.

@Kusanagikaiser999

5 жыл бұрын

Its already happening and its HORRIBLE. Just watch some of the Netflix CG Anime.......so far the only 2 CG anime series that are gorgeous to watch are Land or the Lustrous and Blame, but other than those if is not a full length film is to meh to crap what Japan is producing as full CG anime, just look at Berserk (T.T)

@poweroffriendship2.0

5 жыл бұрын

Well, just take a look at Kirby: Right Back At Ya'. At least it's better than CGI animes (besides the upcoming Ultraman anime).

It's honestly so sad to see hand-drawn 2D animation as a dying form in the west. I miss the original mulan, lion king, prince of egypt, tarzan.... i'm sick and tired of every single thing having to look 3D ugh

@jakeystarsuper

4 жыл бұрын

3d isnt that bad but yeah it'll be nice for something different.

@beautifulspacesllc

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@austinreed7343

4 жыл бұрын

Unicorn Bunny Plus lots of more stylized CGI movies like Spiderverse.

@Spamhard

4 жыл бұрын

It's not dying, it's doing big money, from the animated TV shows lie Bojack and Green Eggs and Ham, to films like Klaus. Granted a lot of it's coming from Netflix, but 2D is still alive and kicking in the west, and I think Klaus made a lot of people sit up and realise that 2D is just as versatile, if not more so, as CGI. Spiderverse is an awesome example of what we can do with CGI anyway, I'd be fine seeing more stuff as visually interesting as that.

@aerialpunk

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, plus I get sick of all the CGI characters looking like bug-eyed baby-heads.

Did you know that Netflix's "Klaus" is hand-drawned? It's amazing!

@mikshin9825

3 жыл бұрын

I saw it, it was awesome and a little naughty. A little risky. Like a love letter from the 90s.

@gabriellitewski7988

2 жыл бұрын

I want to go back in time

@nawalkhawar7602

2 жыл бұрын

omg really? i love that movie

@MegaSamantha11

Жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh, such an underrated movie! It’s become my favorite annual Christmas movie! 💖✨

@bellct4980

Жыл бұрын

Yes I love it

I know I'll sound like an old fuck, but just thinking about how the new generation's first exposure to Disney will be the live-action epidemic... just, ughhhh.....

@JDReC100

5 жыл бұрын

I mean, if people show them the 2d originals first.... Let's be honest people be hording them old school vhs tapes somewhere.

@Elderahn

5 жыл бұрын

Have to remember that a lot of this is Sturgeons law as well. The mass of content available to us has exploded, which means that the amount of shit increases.. but so does the amount of good stuff too. There's the stinkers, but it is also a world where kids can see Spiderverse, Coco, Wreck it Ralph, Zootopia, Frozen and so on. There's plenty of extremely solid content for them to be inspired by.

@Kaempfdog

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m getting the original movies for my kids and just teaching them the lessons that the old Disney skipped over. Gotta make the kids dreamers at the start now don’t we?

@zerotodona1495

5 жыл бұрын

JDReC100 they are too racist for the classics now a days... so they won’t. Or they will show the worse, princess and the frog.

@jormungandrworldserpent6437

5 жыл бұрын

No, it’ll be whatever gets shown to them, parents don’t always just show their kids whatever is new, they show them things they loved and grew up with

I'm from Japan, and I have to mention this... So many Japanese people miss Disney 2D animation. There are many great Japanese animation works, but Disney animation is so unique and different in good ways which Japanese animation studios could never make. The moves, graphics, background, combination with music,... It is something that Walt Disney and all the other animaters created and developed. It's really sad that American people underestimate their great invention and culture. 2D animation is art. You can't abandon art just for the money. That would be such a big lost for not only America but the whole world! *caution I DO NOT talk about which is better. CGI or handdrawn, japanese or american. Those questions are ridiculous. You can't compare art, especially if it has different target, cultural and historical background, genre, etc. you can't put heidi and hentai, in one group, and so is ariel and happy tree friends. No hate 😌love you all❤️🐌

@infinityzombi6287

4 жыл бұрын

If you can understand, I'd like to know your personal favorite Disney movies and current Western favorite cartoons if you have any please. ❤️

@peggysue4253

4 жыл бұрын

The comment make me happy, thank you for sharing it 💖

@deacubogdan2263

4 жыл бұрын

If Japanese studios had disney levels of money they'd certainly produce movies as fluid as disney. I mean, Your Name was made with just a couple million dollars and it looks absolutely gorgeous, I cannot imagine how good it would have looked with a budget of tens of millions of dollars.

@ian5415

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment's input and perspective, it's informative.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

4 жыл бұрын

@@deacubogdan2263 It's not fluid or expressive, just detailed

"If they didn't wanna watch these stories before because they were animated, they really don't deserve to watch these in live action now." THIS is so true! Thank you.

One Word: Klaus.

@avilesjuangaming

4 жыл бұрын

Just what I was thinking. Great movie.

@Sileithel

4 жыл бұрын

Ughhh finally a comment that mentions it!! Amazing movie that certainly gives hope. It was robbed of its well-deserved Oscar.

@timsonss

4 жыл бұрын

It was on netflix, not in the cinemas

@Cpruett

4 жыл бұрын

Really really really hope that tech doesn't get locked up in business bullshit-ery.

@Dumbledoresarmy13

4 жыл бұрын

It totally deserved that Oscar, but I guess it goes to show how many films 'the academy' don't watch

So what you're telling me is that spacejam 2 can save Western animation? It was inside us all along? I knew it.

@couchgamingnews9379

5 жыл бұрын

lol

@lostantarctica

5 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t be surprised if space jam 2 is cgi honestly

@Harrinsain

5 жыл бұрын

god, let's hope. it probably won't, but here's hoping

@hotwax9376

5 жыл бұрын

​@@lostantarctica Me neither, considering that most of the recent Looney Tunes shorts have all been CG. But if anyone is in a position to bring back traditional animation in Anglo-America, it's Warner Bros. They've demonstrated their commitment to preserving the legacy of animation, and of films in general, more than almost any other studio. @Harrinsain!! Considering that critics and animation purists despised Space Jam (and still do), it probably won't do much, regardless of how much money it makes.

@thepotatoshow1887

5 жыл бұрын

i like your space dandy profile pic

Prince of Egypt. Underrated 2D master piece by DreamWorks.

@betterlatethannever4529

4 жыл бұрын

True, but let's not forget Spirit as well

@memestealer69420

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Sinbad Legend of the Seven Seas! And Joseph King of Dreams!

@aleenakhan6230

4 жыл бұрын

Ahhh I loved that movie

@medici__

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh dreamworks needs to take advantage of the 2d animation DRY SPELL that the western animation industry is having and put out another 2d movie as beautiful as el Dorado and prince of Egypt . I swear they would make sooo much money and maybe even surpass disney 😤😤

@igodreamer7096

4 жыл бұрын

So true

Yeah, you know anime animators are overworking when it can take multiple years to animate 1 feature length film, but Japanese animators are animating entire seasons in a year.

@CCuiu

4 жыл бұрын

I do not intend to undermine the quality of anime and those definitely have some scenes that are great, but a lot of corners are cut to archive that season in a year.

@bigsmoke8816

3 жыл бұрын

@@CCuiu the thing is... Anime has shit animation

@isolody

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigsmoke8816 Attack on Titan?

@bigsmoke8816

3 жыл бұрын

@@isolody you mean the art style? In that case yeah the art style is good But the animation is still pretty bad Animation: the technique of photographing successive drawings or positions of puppets or models to create an illusion of movement when the film is shown as a sequence. In layman's terms animation is how characters move and again in anime the animation is pretty bad

@jorgemurilo7779

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigsmoke8816 nope

Just so you know, CGI movies *do* cost more than hand drawn.

@Gir0Fan0Number01

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I always hear people say "Oh, but it's more cost effective" like no it's not. It's just as expensive, often more so than 2D animation. Sure, you get reusable assets, but rendering takes time and can be tricky, rigging is a nightmare, and making the models is time costly, especially for a one time use. There are bugs and glitches, and fixing them makes more, and so on. And the higher the quality the more time it takes, and the more money it costs

@irokosalei5133

2 жыл бұрын

CGI handles perspective more easily whereas it's a nightmare with 2D drawings and you can edit everything separately. It costs less and has less cons.

@derpyhawker

2 жыл бұрын

I think a large factor in making movies cgi is that while they are more expensive, cgi studios tend not to be unionized while traditional studios are

@erenjaeger9579

2 жыл бұрын

It depends on the duration used. As cgi takes less time more money spent gives profit while 2d animation takes long time so even if it takes less money per time period it'll add up to be more than cgi.

@thomasffrench3639

2 жыл бұрын

It does, but it also is less successful and doesn’t turn as big of a profit, and does make less sense to make

Best question is. What happened to Disney's story telling?

@EsotericOccultist

4 жыл бұрын

It's saturated in political correctness now.

@cestalia

4 жыл бұрын

DEAD. Just like my hope and dream. RIP originality. I really love story like UP and Coco tho

@tangroro

4 жыл бұрын

They love to make fun of their classic story telling like many people do online, thus all the cringy jokes about princess or romance are made in Frozen, Moana, and Wreck it Ralph 2, that weren't funny and also disrespectful and annoying

@crawlingboy

4 жыл бұрын

@@EsotericOccultist pretty much

@ragingshibe

4 жыл бұрын

*Gone. Reduced to Atoms*

I definitely like CGI animation but 2D animation totally has a certain vibe that feels way more unique. Especially between different studios and programs.

@bradleybrad398

5 жыл бұрын

In the end i dont think that how good or how bad a film is should be judged on animation style, though. For example, i think everyone could agree that a movie like the incredibles has a much more unique and creative feel than something like Brother Bear or the Princess and the Frog.

@nomnom2969

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, overall, 2D and handdrawn animation are more intuitive and expressive than 3D, because it's easier to change things like body/face shape of characters with their movement and expressions, without it looking off or creepy. Btw, it's important to know the distinction between 2D and handrawn animation. 2D is computer generated flat animation, and can be drawn like in adobe flash/animate, can be character rigs for instance in After Effects, etc. It's a bit harder to be expressive with 3D animation, and the typical big budget films usually use a very similar aesthetic look. It is definitely possible to make an original looking, expressive 3D movie and I think the Spiderverse movie is a great example of that. I'd also recommend some episodes of the love+death+robots show on netflix. Especially the episode 3 has a very original visual style. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qpV4ldGKgt3emNo.html

@princesspikachu3915

5 жыл бұрын

@@bradleybrad398 No it doesn't. The Incredibles is incredibly unoriginal. Look how many super hero movies came before it! The Incredibles is nothing more than a rip-off of Fantastic 4 sprinkled with The Brady Bunch and using pathetic tropes like an overpowered demon baby named Jack Jack. The only thing that The Incredibles achieved is giving me a seizure with the sequel, something that never happened when I watched the seizure episode of Pokemon. I don't have epilepsy but that fucking movie made me have to go to the ER and now I suffer migraines because of it! Brother Bear and The Princess and the Frog might not be great films but they are loads better than the shit that Pixar puts out that shit eaters like to lap up like it's chocolate milk when in reality it's just diarrhea. Not to mention the fact that Coco is a rip-off of The Book of Life and Inside Out is very offensive to those who have serious clinical emotional by making light of it. Fuck Pixar and those who eat up the shit that they make.

@bradleybrad398

5 жыл бұрын

Princess Pikachu i honestly can’t believe what i’m reading right now so i’ll just leave

@princesspikachu3915

5 жыл бұрын

@@bradleybrad398 Ok buh bye!

Arcane has been a game changer even though it's built on 3-D animation, it just has that fluidity and the way it looks is just great.

@zulchemical

Жыл бұрын

true but its more than just the animation. The story-telling and music plays a lot of part too!

@JackSann

7 ай бұрын

Arcane is trash

@methos4866

5 ай бұрын

Fortiche is a fantastic studio. There's also other French studios that do some fantastic work.

It's still absolutely WILD to me that all my favorite animated films are considered commercial "flops"--Brother Bear, Emperor's New Groove, Balto, Tarzan... just absolutely mind-boggling to me.

@TheMrfoxguy

2 жыл бұрын

Balto and toy story came out at the same time the first toy story was a juggernaut in both movie making and merch so every other animated movie was left in the dust at the time

Glad you touched upon the horrible working conditions of anime animators!

@a-drewg1716

5 жыл бұрын

this is Western animation

@akar3f853

5 жыл бұрын

A-Drew G did you even watch the video?

@jaimayy

5 жыл бұрын

That’s why you don’t pirate

@khaiseasoeng7963

5 жыл бұрын

i know!!! ive always wonder how they're make money with all the free sites that stream it ILLEGALY.and all the paid-web r mostly ads too. i know there are merchandise and stuff but it still seem so much work put in to it that it doesn't seem equivalent.

@metagamerz4532

5 жыл бұрын

@@khaiseasoeng7963 I don't like pirating anime but it's stupid that some streaming services don't have certain animes and that I have to pay for a whole other streaming site just to see like 2 animes

Kuzco will always be my favorite Disney princess

@belongsinthetrash1543

5 жыл бұрын

same

@heckingelizabethafton

4 жыл бұрын

who? ;-;

@Kicksno1fan

4 жыл бұрын

Bear_Is_The _One YT wtf

@shay2396

4 жыл бұрын

Shooken Sis if I’m being real here my favorite is Tiana

@joshuasterling2144

4 жыл бұрын

@Jessica Jones I hear he is not going to be into the new Mulan, Dishonor on you dishonor on yo cow......lol

Funnily enough, up to this day, Treasure Planet is my number 1 favorite Disney movie. The only good thing I see in its failure in box office is the fact it never got maimed by a second movie.

@colanemo

4 жыл бұрын

its my fave too and i gotta agree, i know a lot of fans of it are begging for the sequel but it just didnt sound good tbh.. atleast it went out with dignity

@quraishiaothman9284

2 жыл бұрын

ooohh I 200% agree wholeheartedly! I am so attached and protective over Treasure Planet. While I want to see more of it, I am glad there was no sequel.

@cara-setun

2 жыл бұрын

They had a plan for a sequel, and sad to say, it actually looked really good, following Jim when he joins the academy

@kevinaguilar7541

Жыл бұрын

Where were you guys when the film was released on theaters?

@cara-setun

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinaguilar7541 not born

"Nobody is intetested in paying for 2D animated movies" Well, I wouldn't say nobody, but fewer and fewer. 2D is more painstaking. In the end it's all about business, money, ROI, bla bla bla. Less about the art and creativity.

When I was younger, I would refuse to watch anything that WASN'T animated. I used to think it was boring and contrived like people hadn't taken as much time to make it the best it could be.

@Cantrona

5 жыл бұрын

@@Wheeljack84 I think Space Jam might have been the only one I was okay with. But even TV shows, if it wasn't a cartoon, I didn't watch it. Only changed my mind when I got to be like 11 or 12 haha

@Nobodyss21

5 жыл бұрын

So, you dont like lazy town, teletubbies, blues clues? Its like the most belovable things in my childhold mate

@flappingonlinelogic4611

5 жыл бұрын

Same, it changed a little when i saw the lord of the rings and the hobbit

@libruh385

5 жыл бұрын

I still do this

@inessa5923

5 жыл бұрын

That’s so sad A lot of people grow up watching animated films, sure, but at the same time watching things such as animal planet or the discovery channel, boosting their knowledge in the process. How limited does that become if you’re picky about only watching movies that someone has slaved every second over lmao

Treasure planet didn’t have to be a flop, they let it be a flop. 🤦🏾‍♀️

@Kumagoroo23

5 жыл бұрын

Katie Liggin it premiered at the same time as Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, so... yeah

@doctor_whoey3857

5 жыл бұрын

Advertising failure

@moonflowerpalace3872

5 жыл бұрын

@@Kumagoroo23 Wait really? Oof! :( It's been a while.

@constantinople3828

5 жыл бұрын

@@moonflowerpalace3872 There's a wonderful video by Breadsword about Treasure Planet. He really explains everything thoroughly. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lG2n28Wdg87Ul6Q.html

@largeandmildlythreateningr2966

5 жыл бұрын

it was pretty niche in terms of the genre. great depression space steampunk pirate movie doesn't exactly make you want to see it after how many shit steampunk movies there were around that time. it was a great movie but it didn't have much potential for marketing because it was such a weird idea in concept

Blender has this grease pencil mode where you can paint 2d into 3d scenes. A lot of creators have made amazing renders of 3D scenes combined with 2D characters.

@nivindevarajan

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Blender Grease Pencil is pretty much Disney's Deep Canvas but totally packaged as a free software. The applications are limitless when it comes to creating mindblowing hand drawn animations. Also check out Krita, another free software; which also has a wonderful hand drawn animation tool.

Klaus restored my faith in hand drawn animation (even tho it combines a few other techniques, it mixes them together to a perfect visually beautiful movie). I wish more studios and animators would bring back the magic that is 2D animation and with the technology we have nowadays it can become something more, something new and fresh.

@Tomani02

2 жыл бұрын

I'm no animator nor artist but I'm pretty sure that one needs to master 2D animation before starting to learn 3D animation.

Personally I miss Dreamworks' 2D animation before, disney is nice and all but The Prince of Egypt and The Road to El Dorado were legendary.

@nerychristian

4 жыл бұрын

Don Bluth animated films were even more superior. Remember The Land Before Time? An American Tail? Fivel Goes West? Fern Gully? All Dogs Go To Heaven?

@yuagiin

4 жыл бұрын

@@nerychristian The only one of his I've seen is Anastasia, but personally I prefer The Road to El Dorado over it. They were both on-par to disney with songs but I personally feel dreamworks really went the extra mile with animation for stuff like water in their films.

@yuagiin

4 жыл бұрын

@Rpgloverwhat I heard anastasia was Don Bluth?

@bleack8701

4 жыл бұрын

@@nerychristian I'll always hold a special place in my heart for Land Before Time

@elitedima9672

4 жыл бұрын

Treasure Planet anyone?

Let's be honest here. Japan has perfected traditional animation, the only thing that needs to change is the working conditions

@jaysefgames1155

4 жыл бұрын

They even worked out hand drawn 3d animation but it's too hard and time consuming to be used in actual scenes, so it's just used for camera pans occasionally

@jaysefgames1155

4 жыл бұрын

Some studios get it right

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

4 жыл бұрын

Eh not really, most anime is badly animated because of said working conditions and the cost of animating, the breakouts have their great animation in quick bursts and are rare

@sociallyineptspider-man2366

4 жыл бұрын

@Zachle Mentor I'm talking about pencil to paper animation, anything done with cgi isn't traditional

@sociallyineptspider-man2366

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 dude, the amount of anime that's badly animated is in the minority, not the majority, almost every single anime is animated extremely well, the sakuga moments aren't " hey look some good animation for once" its "hey look we've saved our absolute best for a rare moment

I feel like into the spiderverse is a perfect combination of cgi and 2d

the problem was never descending to cgi the problem is live-action

@voltgaming2213

3 жыл бұрын

LillyCookies DDAENG CGI is a problem

@korononjjjdirjfjfjtj2680

3 жыл бұрын

@@voltgaming2213 no

@cocj4727

3 жыл бұрын

@@korononjjjdirjfjfjtj2680 yes

@nathanmontgomery1516

2 жыл бұрын

@@cocj4727 no

@gablit-gt8kk

10 ай бұрын

Calarts is enough to hurt your brain

2d western animation: Good. Traditional CGI animation: Also good. Disney cash-grab CGI: Not good. If you're gonna make an animated movie, make it look animated rather than live-action.

@samo6401

4 жыл бұрын

Dont attack disney for that. Talk to the people buying the tickets supporting the live actions

@echidnanatsuki882

4 жыл бұрын

@@samo6401 agree

@Bmoney902

4 жыл бұрын

Nah I'd rather attack Disney. They should have artistic integrity. They don't have that anymore.

@debleb166

4 жыл бұрын

@@samo6401 The people buy the tickets because they're designed to ride off nostalgia alone. It's bad either way.

@rctrovids9200

4 жыл бұрын

Or try and do both and make a ripoff of into the spiderverse

What happened to western animation?: Money

@-hello6177

3 жыл бұрын

"People who don't take animation seriously" you mean, if people kept watching "Traditional" Animation more than CGI, we'd still see more of it, people pay for what they want, you can't blame disney for following what most people are paying for

@OnionYeeter

3 жыл бұрын

Gommunism time

@Peayou...

2 жыл бұрын

It's not just money Disney is lazy and doesn't want to get creative hand drawn could make more if they tried to make something original for once

@ApollyonZKX

2 жыл бұрын

"We've got to have MONEY!" - Disney

@zeanzern4396

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

i know why western 2d animation is dying. in anime, the art is more detailed, but outside of action scenes, the animation is so stiff and minimal. in western, they had so many frames of movement in every scene, but simple art. animes focus on detail is just way more mareketable. the west didnt want to sacrifice fluid animation, so for more detail, to grab more attention, they had to switch to 3d.

@orangeslash1667

3 жыл бұрын

whoooooo!!!!!!!!! That makes sense .

@booboobunny5655

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting, but I don’t think more detail is necessarily important for animation. It just has to look good and convey a story, people would still enjoy it.

@orangeslash1667

3 жыл бұрын

Or Maybe America as a species is getting dumber compared to Europe or Japan, since CG only that popular in America. I mean Why else anyone chose Trump over Clinton when he has very smug look on his face???????

@orangeslash1667

2 жыл бұрын

@Thot Patrol USA Trump is just one example. The fact that the Disney Remakes continue to sell well. Makes me think that Americans have lower standers for entertainment compared to Europe and Japan????

@YuKaKariyu

2 жыл бұрын

@@orangeslash1667 You realize equating politics and entertainment is kind of useless right.....

Part of why I like Tangled so much is because when they were working on the film, they did want to give it gags and visuals that could very well show up in a hand-animated film. They wanted it to have the appeal of hand animation and feel like it, while still using the CGI medium. And I think it did well! The slapstick humor in it is very reminiscent of hand-animated Disney films in a way that not many CGI films seem to pull off.

I'm usually pro 2d for the characterization of the movement and styles but if they propose me something like Spider-Man into the spiderverse I'm well on board with that .

@a-drewg1716

5 жыл бұрын

CGI can be used to be far better then 2D but the problem is at that point it can actually be more expensive then 2D. This is especially apparent in the later 90s and early 2000s Disney movies (Tarzan, Treasure Planet, Atlantis). In these they used very expensive CGI to make the backgrounds and you know those scenes in Tarzan where he is sliding down the branches or in Treasure Planet where he is.... sun surfing, those were expensive scenes. CGI though is definitly though getting really good. At-least in the West, and that is because CGI is being less used due to costs and more instead for style. This is compared to say Asia and specifically Anime (or what ever animation from China/Korea is called) where CGI is basically only used because the company can't afford to do 2D animation and it normally looks like shit/uncanny. This isn't always the case but generally it is with clunky movements. what ever is CGI is also always shiny and looks plastic/fake and is just bad. Really though a mix of 2D and CGI is the best.

@adityamakeyourway908

5 жыл бұрын

In some way anime is the only last way to save western animation

@rassilontdavros3004

5 жыл бұрын

Spider-Verse actually had a distinct look, something most CGI films fail to do- even more impressively, they managed to make the different art styles of the different universes look cohesive together in the film’s overall art style.

@doctorfrosty3546

5 жыл бұрын

Elisa Lotto what’s the point of it being CGI when it’s trying to look 2D? They should’ve made it 2D. Would have made it a better movie.

@adityamakeyourway908

5 жыл бұрын

@@doctorfrosty3546 you are right👍

CGI pleases my eyes for a while, drawn animation pleases my heart forever.

@KKAkuoku

4 жыл бұрын

Can a comment make you cry?

@CryingZombie666

4 жыл бұрын

But bad CGI makes you wanna drink bleach.

@majamystic256

4 жыл бұрын

both please my heart forever, we need both styles

@blruha3753

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like ghibli's animation

@rasmuslongva4008

4 жыл бұрын

CGI has an expiration date

OH MY GOD!! YES!! Rise Of TMNT is so amazingly animated. Even though the story isn't the original one, but how it's animated just amazed me. It felt like Spiderman into the Spiderverse movie. I love it so much!

Cartoon network in 2011: We are going to stop all of our incredible hand-drawn action animations because no body is interested in them! Anime: let me introduce myself

@thomasffrench3639

2 жыл бұрын

I think since manga is increasing in popularity, it will probably have a negative impact on anime.

"I wouldn't give up on it completely. [...] You're going to have people in the corners of garages making cartoons to please themselves. And I'm more interested in those people than I am in big business." - *Hayao Miyazaki*

@Hacker-yc5st

4 жыл бұрын

Ya in my spare time i try to make 2d but that means i gotta draw the same scene over and over and i wont stoop being creative somebody needs to bring back 2D animation

Treasure Planet was a work of art. I wish they would bring back that hybrid approach back.

@ignisx3791

4 жыл бұрын

Love that movie!

@zoidsfan77

4 жыл бұрын

Not Disney, but I have a soft spot for Titan AE. Wonderful animation.

@ignisx3791

4 жыл бұрын

@@zoidsfan77 As do I. Excellent movie.

@jeyfomson6364

4 жыл бұрын

@@zoidsfan77 TITAN:AE was freaking Epic!!!

@zoidsfan77

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeyfomson6364 Indeed, it features some awesome character design as well as badass hand animation, thanks to the legendary Don Bluth. The sound design is pretty good also.

So basically making hand animated movies nowadays is like casting pearls before swine

@crfstewarje4597

3 жыл бұрын

Nope; look up the movie "Klaus"

I love that both Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles and How To train your dragon were mentioned positively here, both amazing pieces of media. I love that How to Train Your Dragon managed to give personality to cgi animation, even when it’s cgi it still feels like it has some wacky scenes reminiscent of the old days of animation

It's interesting because most of anime is hand animated, and a lot of people see CGI anime series as... almost taboo? A direct contrast to western animation today, apparently.

@salemsaberhagan

3 жыл бұрын

Uhmmm see here's the thing. "Hand animation" isn't really something that we can claim exists in any media made today. 2D, sure, you can say that. But just coz it's 2D doesn't mean it was drawn by hand as in the older cell animation. It's all mostly done digitally, & yes you can draw each frame by hand but you can also just get digital tools to do it for you. And plenty of anime does use CGI quite liberally, especially mostly for backgrounds & side characters. Studio Kyoto Animation, which is a beloved art style for many people, actually uses CGI even for their main characters. It just superimposes a flatter 2D layer on top, using the CGI for generating the shadows & movements. That gives them a certain liveliness which is what people love. It's a unique blend of both.

@-hello6177

3 жыл бұрын

Kemurikusa, Kemono Friends, Land of the Lustrous and Beastars: are we a joke to you?

@AtelierGod

3 жыл бұрын

Takai Akai I believe the technique your referring to is deep canvas.

@salemsaberhagan

3 жыл бұрын

@@AtelierGod the KyoAni series which I've seen that kind of animation in have "CGI Team" listed in the credits. Afaik deep canvas was something Disney made for Tarzan, & while I do see similarities between the animation in that movie & KyoAni gems like Tamako Market or Kyokai No Kanata, they are significantly different as well so it could just as easily be something they developed parallelly on their own.

@baphometh5531

3 жыл бұрын

60% of anime is just cg And anime is just japanese animation

Disney's just cashing in on Millennials nostalgia and selling out our childhoods. Show your kids the originals, not these heartless remakes!

@Kicksno1fan

4 жыл бұрын

i think cinderella and maleficent were the only good ones. they actually kept parts of the story but made it their own (and more interesting) in one way or another. cinderella still has that disney magic and message of pure kindness, and maleficent told its own unique story of a misunderstood villain. i just think theyre great, but the recent ones have just been the same exact line for line copy, and it doesnt work since the animation will always trump live action...

@daringspino3446

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kicksno1fan The Lion King remake is lazy af. They even remove the trio hyenas. Just why? The movie itself is really garbage. Hell I will watch Animal Planet and it's better than this crap.

@CarloNassar

4 жыл бұрын

No, they still make movies that are not remakes. The problem is that they're not as popular.

@matthewsoucy9073

4 жыл бұрын

Kicksno1fan Don’t Forget The Jungle Book

@crawlingboy

4 жыл бұрын

@@daringspino3446 eh they removed edd the hyena the crazy one as well what the absolute hell

While I agree with a lot of your opinions, I would have titled this "What Happened to United States Animation" because other "western" countries (France, Ireland, etc) are still making hand-animated films-- aimed at adult audiences as well as children-- that have gained tremendous success. But you really only seemed to talk about Disney and pixar, not even Dream Works or Richard Williams' studio. So you say "western" but really seem to mean "U.S." and give Japan credit for keeping hand animation alive, but give no mention to the companies behind "Triplets of Belleville," "Book of Kells," "Song of the Sea," and many more. Was there any particular reasoning for this?

@virz4432

4 жыл бұрын

USA. America is a wide continent. And islands. Since we are being more precise. The United States is NOT "America".

@LittleMongoosie

4 жыл бұрын

@@virz4432 good point, edit made

@austinreed7343

4 жыл бұрын

LittleMongoosie And yet they never get brought over here. French Animation has become insular.

@aerialpunk

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't heard of any of those but I'd like to check them out. I feel almost like we need a streaming service that includes everyone but the US, just so we can see some of the great stuff others are putting out.

@stalloneandrew9961

2 жыл бұрын

Asia and Eastern Animations: So are we gonna just suffer from forgotten?

What's always bugged me about western Animation is that it is almost always aimed at kids. there are very few adult films that use animation and i think that's a market that's unexplored. i have seen a few good(and not so good) films that are for adults that are animated. Again, in Japan, an animated film is a film just like any other. I was kind of hoping Pixar would explore that avenue a long time ago when they first got started, but i guess we will have to look to outside the US for animated films that aren't "family entertainment"

i don't feel like cg is bad on premise. the thing is their story writers got lazy

@LittleMongoosie

4 жыл бұрын

Bingo!!!

@holly3330

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe not lazy, maybe more constricted.

@realar

4 жыл бұрын

@@holly3330 Richard Williams said straightout that they got lazy and it shows.

@holly3330

4 жыл бұрын

realar oh ok

@ExtremeWreck

3 жыл бұрын

Unless if it's something like Rapsittie Street Kids, or Dorbees.

That Aladdin scene comparison hit me much harder than I expected... :((

@philippine2240

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah me too ! also the rythm of the song was really slower, I felt betrayed by Disney, how can you screw up two of the most amazing songs of all time so badly ? I mean if you wanted to rap, change the sogs of the movie and make them rap songs god dammit !!!!! it would have been so interesting if instead of redoing the movie shot by shot they had made a new one...

@ImmortalFlister

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it hit me as BS since he clearly based it on the 30 second clip released online and not the full scene, which does feature the things he said were missing,

@ImmortalFlister

4 жыл бұрын

@@philippine2240 I get the impression you haven't actually seen the movie but only a few clips. The film is vastly different to the original in many ways.

@Chrysaetos3

4 жыл бұрын

I know right? I mean, how else can you get peacocks to have that smug expression without being weird and creepy? What about the exagerrated physical features of the characters - think the Sultan, small, squat, adorable old man who would look like a dwarf in real life, tall, thin, wicked Jafar and the animals, what a good job they do on the expressions of the animals! Moving away from Aladdin, how about Jessica Rabbit's design? The way they're drawn says so much about them just from a single glance, even more than costume and style can alone. How else do you use body language that defies all physics? That scene on the balcony where the three girls swoon into Genie's arms all fanning out, how much more artistic can you get? Put those on a realistic CGI form and we're smack bang in the middle of uncanny valley. CGI is great and I will forever appreciate Toy Story and Pixar, but it doesn't work for everything.

@kemchobhenchod

4 жыл бұрын

Wow. Yes. It cut to the quick.

What I think went wrong was that people were watching 3D movies because the new style was exciting. Disney forgot that both could coexist, instead they think that people are still in that phase of "3D is new and exciting"

The recent Arcane series has a great blend between 2D and 3D.

1:47 Man, I loved Atlantis: The Lost Empire growing up!

@jazminebrown6543

5 жыл бұрын

Ey you ain't the only one

@gianghuynh8120

5 жыл бұрын

Yup buddy yup...*tears dripping*

@prashant_kerung_thegim0709

5 жыл бұрын

Same bruh Am shocked

@tdfern1

5 жыл бұрын

Hopefully that gets a worthy reboot.

@OfficialDeejayW

5 жыл бұрын

I just watched it for the first time the other day and I was all about it. I think the ending is a little sloppy, but I’d be all for a remake. I wish the movie had been longer cause it has such a cool style

Plot twist: They are making so many horrid live action remakes to make people go back and appreciate the animated films more, thus making 2D popular again 👌

@SirBlackReeds

4 жыл бұрын

Talking about things not going according to plan, huh? ;)

@bongobliss5795

4 жыл бұрын

Also taking more cash on the way

@Comkill117

4 жыл бұрын

jacoblgames I wish, but these things do absurdly well for how bad they are.

@kratt7500

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. And most of the merch they release when the live-action movies hit are from the original classic movies. And people eat it up. When Aladdin hit theaters, our shops were filled with Robbin Williams Genie and cartoon Jasmine shirts. Lion King came out, and all the clothes and items I see from the mall, yep, shelves filled with the original drawn characters. Disney knows, that even if the live-action remakes don't do well, customers and companies are re-interested in buying and producing merch for those properties

@malahamavet

4 жыл бұрын

For me, it's working😂

This is why I love anime so much! They rely on the traditional animation technics but make the story, structure and looks SOOO complex, creative and appealing that almost guarantees the art gets all the love it deserves from ALL age demographics. Also anime has such variety, both in genre and concept, that there's always something for everyone and no story or structure ever gets reused, which genuinely amazes me at times. I think now days the majority of american cinema and creators unfortunately care more about the money they make out of making something and not as much about What they are making. Also I hate how the western cinema industry views animation as media Just For Kids, and that isn't right cause animation can be made for all age demographics since the things you can create with it are as limitless as human imagination. Anime may not be what western animation culture needs, but it's definitely something they should try to learn from and use as a tool to better the industry and straighten out the errors that pulls them down.

@SportsFan-vq9kk

2 жыл бұрын

They just need good story telling

@shawerful5209

2 жыл бұрын

I find most animated movies better than anime. And i love anime

@doram.a8475

2 жыл бұрын

@@shawerful5209 because you never watched anime movies they have the best animation

@yourmom66600

Жыл бұрын

@@doram.a8475 lmao no they don't wtf

@Artist_of_Imagination

Жыл бұрын

@@doram.a8475 super HD 14k+ display frames which can be set as wallpaper do not count as animation

Beauty and the Beast was actually the first Disney movie to ever use CGI. With the help of Pixar, they made the background of the big dance scene in 3D while hand animating the characters dancing.

@matityaloran9157

Жыл бұрын

I thought the Rescuers Down Under integrated some CGI?

@thatcarfeathersguy

Жыл бұрын

Are you sure it's not The Great Mouse Detective? Because there is the behind the scenes "making of" footage of the clock tower scene.

@matityaloran9157

Жыл бұрын

@@thatcarfeathersguy I’m honestly not sure but I thought it was The Rescuers Down Under

@thatcarfeathersguy

Жыл бұрын

@@matityaloran9157 There should be some clips on KZread of the making of the Great Mouse Detective(1986). If you watch closely, there is some behind the scenes footage of the clock tower scene which is CGI. This is one of Disney Animation's first usage of CGI in a traditional hand drawn animated film.

@matityaloran9157

Жыл бұрын

@@thatcarfeathersguy Neat. I hadn’t known that.

I'm a simple woman. You put Hiccup in the thumbnail, I click.

@eitakou

5 жыл бұрын

I love you and I love love love HTTYD!

@andyz986

5 жыл бұрын

The first thing that came into my mind

@derptank3308

5 жыл бұрын

Sassy Toothless=Doggo Toothless Book series Movie Trilogy

@Jay-hg8yj

5 жыл бұрын

Mood haha, I was worried he was going to talk bad about it.

@irThumper

5 жыл бұрын

Spoken like a true Dragon Rider-et with a Hiccuppy crush, lol!

1:48, ouch, never knew that my favorite movies were so underrated

@Fehru

5 жыл бұрын

agree. Three best movies. Add Mulan (but mostly 1st) and The Emperor's New Groove - you have all my fav disney movies!

@sceroye3538

5 жыл бұрын

@@Fehru I'm actually really surprised. Those movies were the shit when I was a kid. Everyone at school had seen them and talked about them. It just doesn't add up.

@annalcal4534

5 жыл бұрын

tatee ;3; The best is The Lion King!

@IGamingStation

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly think with these movies, they weren't as heavily marketed as Frozen or Finding Nemo. Hell, BRAVE, another CGI movie that's underrated, wasn't heavily marketed.

@sirhighroller9036

4 жыл бұрын

@@annalcal4534 very true

Netflix's Klaus is a fantastic example that gives me some new hope for fresh directions. For those who haven't seen it, they did traditional 2D hand animation and then applied 3D lighting to it that makes it look absolutely incredible. It almost looks like 3D animation, but with all the soul and organic "pliability" of hand drawn characters. I really hope to see more of it.

Pretty much why I got into anime. I also loved hand-drawn animation and was starved for new content and more mature themes, and Pixar movies just didn't scratch that itch. Then my brother showed me Death Note, and that opened the flood gates.

i enjoy western animation but overtime i've drifted towards Japanese animation. I'm annoyed with Disney being lazy and doing live actions of their animated movies instead of making new original content and disappointed with reboots of old animated franchises (the new ben 10 and yes teen titans to name a few). anime has been providing better quality shows and animation. i love the western animated shows i grew up with (avatar, star wars the clone wars and adventure time just to name three) but i'm just tired. i also grew up with ghibli and i saw how different they were. anime will do what western animation has neglected. also i hope conditions for the animators get better edit: got a notification that someone liked my comment, did not expect 1.5k likes

@tdfern1

5 жыл бұрын

Even anime seems to be suffer the same or similar problems like Disney and the rest of the Western animation business is suffering from. Laziness and too much saturation and repeating of anime tropes and certain anime to a key demographic such as the harem & ecchi genres.

@lemonadethefifthp389

5 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%

@wilmhosenfeld1777

5 жыл бұрын

I love anime, but even that industry has become stagnant over the years from the massive influence of the Otaku culture. Too many rehashed teen rom coms, isekai, slice of life, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like some of these shows, but I wish they weren't so extremely prevalent. In a single given season, we may only get 1 or 2 creative and/or original shows and about 20 moe/slice of life trash to go with it.

@IamLegendAnon

5 жыл бұрын

@@wilmhosenfeld1777 True, but I'd say anime has had a small renaissance in the past few years, partially due to Western infliuence and commision, with the shows worth watching being a few a year (even as many as 1 or 2 a season) rather than 1 or 2 a year imo.

@jonsnor4313

5 жыл бұрын

Anime has still some very good movies and series. Yes the older stuff can be better but there are new quality anime, and cartoons. Anime still has some counter anime culture anime, and some good adaptions. But they make far too much ill paced or plain bad anime series.

I want to bring 2D animation BACK!!!!!

@Adrians_Lost_and_Found_Visions

5 жыл бұрын

yep, would be great :)

@pauljs75

5 жыл бұрын

Might be more up to amateurs on the internet now. At least digital 2D animation tools are relatively cheap now if not free. But even with that, it's still a lot of work to create something. The harder part might be promoting it and getting word out there.

@desuwa1994

5 жыл бұрын

@@pauljs75 It's called ANIMU

@bigbangpegasusmaster

5 жыл бұрын

On tv it's going well (though scheduling tends to be terrible), but yeah, I mean, how many 2d animated western movies were released on theatres this decade? MLP and TTG are the only ones that come to mind

@BothHands1

5 жыл бұрын

Same! Hand drawn animation has so much more life and character

Just getting into the world of animation and this was super helpful - thanks for making this!!

just like how anime cant be translate into live action movie, real action cannot express anime emotion

@masacote_

4 жыл бұрын

@Negasso Kadir Neither Disney...It's a fundamental rule: Animated >>>> live action. Name, at least, one succesful live action...

@baphometh5531

3 жыл бұрын

Deadpool work

I love how you brought up the Avatar animation.

@lazyvipurr4698

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about it as I was watching the video, and it has had some of the most drop dead gorgeous animations I've ever seen 'specially in a "kids" show n.n

While Alladin is already out (and not great but not terrible) I feel like the new Lion King is the far more egregious example Hollywood cynicism of bastardizing and subsequently burying Disney's 2D legacy.

@poweroffriendship2.0

5 жыл бұрын

And Lion King is actually more promising if this is stay true to the animated tale.

@Kittsuera

5 жыл бұрын

@@poweroffriendship2.0 If they fail to make the characters feel emotionally real the whole thing could implode. Imo I think they went too far with the realism and lost the things that make the characters stand out. based on Aladdin they will keep much of the script and framing the same but the animal characters will fall flat. for Aladdin that means a few side characters. for the Lion king that means the entire cast. the trailers have done nothing but further raise that worry that they wont instill a connection with the audience. no one will end up caring what happens to the characters. =/ I hope they got it right but i dont see any evidence. further in terms of toys who is to say that that character is not just a random toy lion. or that google image isn't a real lion.

@DeathKitta

5 жыл бұрын

Animals' faces can't be that expressive and we already see Disney is making them as realistic as possible, so we'll have a lion cub looking at his dad's corpse with the blankest expression ever.

@ericholysword8306

5 жыл бұрын

That’s what they get for bastardizing kimba the white lion lol

@MistCellaneous-5

5 жыл бұрын

You know what the irony is? Disney can photo manipulate documentaries now. think about it, with hyper realistic animals, Disney can make whatever f****** b******* documentary they want and how they wanted to end up. that's what I saw when I saw the trailer, they can easily just Photoshop an animal and make up a random scene just for the sake of shock value. it almost made me remember that infamous lemming documentary that Disney produced, you know the one we're clearly the lemmings look like they're being thrown over a cliff in California?

Lilo and Stitch was something I got to see being animated at Orlando Disney World MGM studios back in 2001. That sticks out so much in my memory, they showed us tourists the waves using a combo of hand-drawn and CGI animation. My 11 year old mind remembered that, it was an awesome process to witness.

I think it's worth mentioning that there's a massive field of innovation right now around Blender grease pencil and similar tech, which are used to add 2d drawings on top of 3d models. This technique, when combined with AI, can create scenes that look hand drawn but require far less work. It was famously used in Spiderman into the Spiderverse and the results speak for themselves.

I like CG animation a lot, and I don't wish for it to be destroyed, but I also want traditional animation to survive and make good stuff.

@jjju3

5 жыл бұрын

The only fucker in this comment section i respect disbsjshhs

@L16htW4rr10r

5 жыл бұрын

Approve with you. I think they something that can go hand in hand.

@dionysos46

5 жыл бұрын

True that. However, CG animation digs his own grave with photorealism, and Lion King "Live Action" will be blatant of it.

@Kasuyaki007

5 жыл бұрын

to coexist is something I wish to see, too. bc i love them both

@JDReC100

5 жыл бұрын

@@dionysos46 there are directors that go with the photorealism, then you have directors (from sony) that go with the animation direction of CWACOM and Hotel Transylvania (and the emoji movie, great animation poor poor story and direction). and then there are the ones like in Zootopia and Tangled. im sure their are many factors that go into why certain animated styles are chosen (budget and media are 2 i can think of). i dont really know why Disney is going for extreme photorealism in the latest Lion King movie. i just hope it works for them , for their sakes.

The thing is that Disney's master animators are a dying breed. They couldn't put the old studio back together even if they wanted to.

@konkonart7128

5 жыл бұрын

True, but is making clones of the older Disney's master animators such a good thing? I would say that the old masters should be used as stepping stones for the newer generation of animators, using the fundamentals pioneered the the masters in combination with the latest developments in technology to create something entirely new. In a way, animation is no different from any other form of art (painters and sculptors usually look to the past for lessons/inspiration). The flaw is the 'making something entirely new' part, Pixar has an established style, but there needs to be more than that. Spiderverse is a step in the right direction, making an animated movie of equivalent quality without making it look like 'Pixar clone'. Just needs more of that.

@Elderahn

5 жыл бұрын

We also have to recognize that the generational shift in creative talent is going to start moving the point of inspiration forwards as time passes. The people who got their first spark of artistic inspiration from Shrek, Pixar movies, and Video games, will make their voices heard. Whilst wanting to preserve the work of the 'old men' at Disney and see it live on is admirable, it is just invariably going to move into the noise of history in due time.

@Swingset25

5 жыл бұрын

Actually I heard that the only professional 2d animators left at Disney are 2 guys who do the projections on the castle at Disneyland.

@fireemberess

5 жыл бұрын

@@Swingset25 that's really fucking sad

@adityamakeyourway908

5 жыл бұрын

In some way anime is the only last way to save western animation

Tarzan's traditional animation art was so rad

I Think 2d western animated movie is more an indie thing now. Sure 2d is a little less mainstream now but there are a lot of 2d animated movie with great artistic value. I have a few examples in mind from recent years: -the red turtle ( 2016) , - loving Vincent ( 2017), - the breadwinner ( 2017), -ernest and celestine ( 2012), - the swallows of Kabul ( 2019) , -bunuel ( 2018), - I lost my body ( 2019), -klaus ( 2019), -chico and Rita (2011)

@tau-5794

Жыл бұрын

If you haven't already you should check out: The Secret of Kells (2009) The Song of the Sea (2014) Wolfwalkers (2020) They're all from the same Irish studio that made The Breadwinner.

@lucapepito

Жыл бұрын

@@tau-5794 yes they are on my watchlist!

I prefer 2D animation so much more. It feels like you can get away with more and so much more expressive

@xnonutnovemberx9545

4 жыл бұрын

With you on that one. An animation I would highly recommend is Shoujo Ramune because it shows you the freedom of what's possible with 2D.

@m_.agicity1069

4 жыл бұрын

Oh nO-

@CryingZombie666

4 жыл бұрын

Hand-drawn animation needs to be a thing again. And I don't mean disney returning to their roots. Fuck disney. I want new people to make hand-drawn animation with new ideas, creating next generation of animation giants. When talking about western animation, disney ain't what appears in my mind, nor dickelodeon, no. And I prefer the cartoon titles to the companies behind them. When talking about western animation, Thundercats ( fuck the 2011 series and roar ), TMNT ( 80's ), Inspector Gadget, The Adventures of The Galaxy Rangers, Exosquad, X-Men The Animated Series, Batman The Animated Series, The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, Mummies Alive! and fucking Captain Planet and The Planeteers are on my mind. If western animation is to make a comeback, creativity and the balls to aim animation at adults need to return.

@majamystic256

4 жыл бұрын

I like variety I just don't like one style, I like alot of styles All styles of animation have good sides and bad sides and we should have a variety of all types of animated movies

@m_.agicity1069

4 жыл бұрын

@@CryingZombie666 You said it! We need some new hand drawn an original plot animation company's for once. Can't deny that Studio Ghibli is quite beautiful. But sadly they are also owned by Disney, it's time to bring hand drawn back.

Some people just don't appreciate hand animation....

@afiamahmood1313

4 жыл бұрын

And just animation in general....

@OMGitsKITTYSMITTY

4 жыл бұрын

I love hand drawn animation it's fluid it ages very well and it'll look good for generations

@pyrophobia133

4 жыл бұрын

that's Hollywood's old guard problem

@c-man2475

4 жыл бұрын

@@afiamahmood1313 yeah they rather watch reality shows and soap operas but when u watch cartoons (cgi,2d,anime etc),everyone makes a big deal about it.

@karenstrong6734

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand why people don’t appreciate hand animation. I just love hand animation, because I love drawing.

Hand animation is just so much more beautiful

As someone who creates 2D animations, I definitely agree with you here. The live action remakes lack the character and emotion of the originals because the characters are well..real actors. With them you can’t squish and extend their faces to show emotion, or exaggerate movements for emphasis. You cant create completely unique characters because make up and CGI can only go so far. 2D animation inspires me a lot, and I hope is doesn’t die out. You can do so much with it.

"adventure time" "Still being made to this day" HMMMMMM

@cozyspacebear

5 жыл бұрын

im cry

I always had a dream of becoming a 2D animator ever since I was a child, I'm currently in high school and very stressed out about how things are going to turn out in the future. My family members constantly ask me what I want to become in the future and I'm always scared of telling them because my family is not really into animation and believe they are only for children except for my big brother who is into Japanese animation. I finally found the courage to finally tell him what I wanted to become and what he told me kinda made me sad, he told me I should just give up on becoming a 2D animator and become a 3D animator if I want to go to the US unless I want to stay in Japan. I have no problem with staying in Japan but I really do miss western 2D animation

@nerychristian

4 жыл бұрын

Don't give up on your dreams. There are still American cartoons that use hand drawn animation. And in the future, there will be a shortage of hand-drawn animators, because most will choose 3-D.

@DeathandGrim2

4 жыл бұрын

You're not alone in missing Western 2D. Everyday I try to convince myself that it'll comeback. But the truth of the matter is Outsourcing is just easier and more cost effective... God that hurts my soul to even type. I would put my heart and soul into becoming an animator here only to be at best a storyboard artist.

@grapeabbas7043

4 жыл бұрын

If you want to make 2d animation is the us, you need to make your own company like Ghibli does. I had the same dream like you and I'm also in high school. I would love to make a 2d animation of you and I are going to work together but that won't going to happen.

@krunkle5136

4 жыл бұрын

Start your own studio!

@lilyhooper8740

4 жыл бұрын

Hi hello! I will say the one thing that others haven't mentioned below. This is simply the fact that a lot of 3d animators don't know how to draw and quite frankly everything starts on a piece of paper. So, don't give up on your dreams there is always a place for 2d animators. ( when I have the money I will make a space for that) Build on your skills and master your craft. Once you have mastered 2d there is always room for 3d. The other way round not so much. Just believe and all the best.😊

5:24 Ironically that's what they kinda did while making the Pocahontas character from the film with them making her a teenager, rather than 12 years old, which was historically accurate.

Dude, you deserve way more subscribers. Your videos are amazing 💖

@PhenomSage

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, these comments alone make it worth it.

Treasure planet is sooo underrated...

@Varies16

4 жыл бұрын

@Mammoth Supremacy 55 Also Brother Bear!

@Iv3y_Lamar

4 жыл бұрын

huntchback of notre dame, the black cauldron, sword in the stone, aristocats, sinbad, joseph king of dreams, prince of egypt, arabian knights, who framed roger rabbit, thumbelina, heavy metal. . . etc.

@tenah7931

4 жыл бұрын

@@Varies16 Yeah, you are soo right. It's one of my all time favorite. The animation and story are so beautiful and uniqe.

@tenah7931

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iv3y_Lamar I was talking in the name of TP, but sure, there are plenty of other movies.

@Varies16

4 жыл бұрын

@@tenah7931 The story was awesome. I enjoyed the fact that they considered to make a story about their culture of animal's spirit. There should more stories like this.

I still like 2D animation way better than 3D animation. They should co exist.

Awesome video! Definitely agree with you on a lot of stuff here. Also, PERSONA 5 SOUNDTRACK HELL YEAH

Legend of Korra is probably one of the best 2d animated shows. Stunning animation that really pushed the industry and I haven't seen anyone do it better.

@deepfried9036

3 жыл бұрын

Rise of TMNT might have better animation and there also glitch tech on Netflixs

@QWERTY-gp8fd

2 жыл бұрын

have u seen invincible?

@staringcorgi6475

11 ай бұрын

Too bad they cheaped out in the later episodes

I loved Treasure Planet. Definitely in my top 5 favourite Disney films

@PhenomSage

5 жыл бұрын

Mine too! I actually had to stop myself from just watching through the entire movie again as I was editing this video haha, such an easily rewatchable film

@CristianMartinez-hg6xu

5 жыл бұрын

@@PhenomSage I love Brother Bear and I think it's better than Brave

@greendaleforever

5 жыл бұрын

Jim's song, man......the theme to my existence in this world.

@fatmahassan3235

5 жыл бұрын

Same

@Aldoz

5 жыл бұрын

My favourite Disney movie for sure

The Emperor's New groove is a masterpiece

@mushroomhead3619

4 жыл бұрын

Pull the lever Kronk! Wrong leveeeeeer!

@NicolasDahm

4 жыл бұрын

@@mushroomhead3619 Squeak squeak squeakens

@mushroomhead3619

4 жыл бұрын

Why do we even have that lever? (Slaps crocodile that whimpers like a dog) Mmmmm maybe to get rid of Batman?

@memestealer69420

4 жыл бұрын

@@mushroomhead3619 WRONG LEVERRRRRRRRRR!

@memestealer69420

4 жыл бұрын

agreed

Nothing beats who framed roger rabbit in terms of 3d and 2d, the crazy things those ppl did to make 2d character look like they actually existed with the 3d is drawdropping

That's awesome you mentioned FLCL, you certainly know your cartoons! Nice job on this video.

Thank you studio Ghibli. Very cool

@paozan4855

2 жыл бұрын

I come from the future, they switched to 3d and their last film is unwatchable

Unfortunately, I don't think Western hand animation will make a comeback. As you said, CGI is more cost-effective and brings in more money. It makes me sad, though, how Disney seems so eager to forget hand animation for the sake of what they think would appeal more to audiences (I mean, look at all the new live-action remakes they're releasing). However, there are still some lesser known Western studios such as Cartoon Saloon that continue to produce beautiful hand-animated films. Other studios like Laika also work on stop-motion animation, which I personally think is a very underrated and painstaking art form. So yeah, at least Western animation hasn't completely transitioned to CGI / completely forgot about animation in general. Anyway, there's always anime :)

@poweroffriendship2.0

5 жыл бұрын

Well, at least Mary Poppins: Returns made traditional animation a comeback this year. The executives originally made the movie CGI but the director wants to keep it traditional to stay true to the original movie. And he actually won the case. So, I guess those a-hole executives really got what they deserved.

@Dell-ol6hb

5 жыл бұрын

LemonadeTheFifth:p I think people will inevitably tire of CGI animation films if it doesn’t advance the art form like Into The Spider Verse did, and so I think maybe in the far future people will eventually crave 2D animation again and movie studios will switch back to creating 2D animation projects.

@tdfern1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Dell-ol6hb similar animation like Telltale Games.

@crinsombone5380

5 жыл бұрын

The perception of 2d animation is changing. It could make a comeback

@Adrians_Lost_and_Found_Visions

5 жыл бұрын

@@crinsombone5380 hope so

I don't know if this point was brought but the main reason why traditional 2D animation doesn't sell very well in the west is mostly because adults view 2D animation as childish or directed towards children. 3D animation doesn't have it hindrance because most of the 3D animated movies that have been made are tailored to families. If we're ever going to have 2d 'animation to be sold well in the West we're going to have to convince the adults of the West that 2D animation can both be for children and for adults

@mr.sinjin-smyth

Жыл бұрын

Question is... what story adapted to 2D animation can make such an impact? One that can not only hit big in America, but worldwide and also for all ages. So far only Japan has been consistent in producing other worldly escapist sci-fi, fantasy movies in their animes. Americans have drifted far behind in that department.

Simply, the general population doesn't know how to differentiate between mindless eye candy and real art (not saying that all CGI is like this, but many recent releases are). Disney exploits that ignorance for profit.

You shouldn't stop the progress But you shouldn't also forget your past

@bolbyballinger

5 жыл бұрын

Except the switch from live action is not the squirrel finding a higher branch but just finding a different one.

@internuf5754

5 жыл бұрын

@@bolbyballinger My point was just that we shouldn't forget the hand-drawn animation

@alienspacebat5218

4 жыл бұрын

There comes a time in everyone's life when he is confronted by the new generation and told that his time to change the world is past and to move aside for them. The secret at this point is to plant your feet like a tree's roots beside the river of truth, look them all straight in the eye and tell them, "No, YOU move."

Tarzan is highly underrated and I am furious about that

@cerisejaxel9636

5 жыл бұрын

My favorite movie! It’s gorgeous in so many ways.

@Nasir3623

4 жыл бұрын

But lion king is better

@amicable5237

4 жыл бұрын

Ilyas Adam no

@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nasir3623 But lion king IS STILL A DAMN COPY

@Zakaria-xg1vu

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nasir3623 you mean KIMBA ?

Honestly was thinking when I saw one punch man “huh wonder if we’ll see a mp100 clip” and then my boy came not a second later. Great video, planning on sending it to a few people.

Wait. I know that this video is earlier but there's "Klaus" - a Full-Length hand drawn film which was slightly changed after editing it and adding the depth (those glorious lights ands shadows). That's a great perspective to start bringing hand drawn back to life as it was before then but in Netflix.

I feel like live action is an even greater threat than just having CGI movies. I'd take a CGI remake over a "live action" remake (the Lion King 'live action' does not count) any day.

@softkogarashi5105

3 жыл бұрын

All of it. I agree 💯

@klubpingwina4336

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon Ball Evolution

@user-mh6ju3pg8c

2 жыл бұрын

Leave it alone it's animation

@cara-setun

2 жыл бұрын

CGI, live action, neither are ‘threats’. Both are just a medium to tell stories. Criticize the companies who only care about money and profit, not the film types.

@kigurumii

Жыл бұрын

@@cara-setun live action is an inherently more restrictive type of medium than animation, so yes, they are threats, to creativity and ingenuity

sincerely thank you for including treasure planet ily

You just earned yourself a subscriber, Mister.