Great video with some very valid points. However, I've always believed that Decisive should not return to being the ONLY thing that really helps with tunneling and that there should be more alternatives, especially as free perks that beginners can use without buying a licensed chapter. I don't think buffing its duration would be the best idea.

@Andrekenz

Ай бұрын

I totally get your point. It can be good in the right situation against certain killers and we really do need more good anti tunnel perks since tunneling is one of the stronger killer strats but yeah either ds needs a buff or some killers and maps need changes.

Well. This perk received a "buff" and 5 sec stun will be back in the next patch

@Andrekenz

Ай бұрын

ik, it's very bad that they buffed it like that

I remember it being one of the most used perks xd

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

yeah... a long long LONG time ago...

I only use DS if I have a stun the killer tome challenge. It’s pretty useless otherwise. My change would be to keep the 3 sec stun, but add a 3 sec sprint burst to give you distance from the tunneler.

I was using ds once and it just didn’t activate. I got unhooked and it wasn’t activated. The killer waited out my endurance and hooked me again because I had no ds. Is there a reason it just didn’t activate?

@Andrekenz

Ай бұрын

ds deactivates during endgame (after last gen pops) maybe that's why, or you accidentally healed someone else or did any type of action

Personally, in my games, people often take this perk because it still buys a lot of time and the hunter can’t deactivate it. However, I think that the stun for 3 seconds is really small, when you play on strong hunters you don’t even feel it (on strong), but if you play on an average hunter it can buy you enough time. I would increase the time by 0.5 seconds, this would be better.

@winmau.88

2 ай бұрын

Bring the old stun back lol, they’ve already gutted the perk with the exit gate and conspicuous action nerfs.

saw a clip of someone who had DS ready and active, and was just picked up. Then the last gen was popped. They did not survive.

I think at least we can use it twice in a match like of the records

Decisive, Dead Heart , Self Care this were strong perks before but now 🙂

I use it. and thank you for the video

@Andrekenz

Ай бұрын

You're welcome 😊

maybe u should try play in asia server, if u ever met with thailand swf they will always bring 4 DH + 4 DS

it just seems worse than other anti tunneling perks rn. dead hard can be used whenever, off the record has its sound and aura effects. it feels like its only niche is to reset deep wound i would either increase the stun, add a speed boost after DS, or allow it after any unhooks. that way DS can specialize in anti tunnel since OTR and DH both have effects after a conspicuous action. that or balance the other 2 accordingly :/

Had a whole pwf use this perk on me last night. Still got the 4k

Yeah recent DS is pretty bad as a killer main. I would not mind your suggestions going live. I used to hate this perk because of how obnoxious it was. The first change of it deactivating once progressing the game was enough. When i got back on the game recently, a survivor used DS on me and the stun was so short i almost didn't notice the survivor got out. It needs to be at least 4 seconds imo

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

4 seconds stun is such minor but nice change but bhvr is too dumb to think of it Ig

I havent used DS in awhile. And it shocks me when someone actually uses it because im so used to NOT seeing it. Its just a bad perk. The endgame deactivation is what truly killed it. If they would reverse that, i think more people would use it. But DH outshines DS by a landslide.

Well informed killers adapt to these perks I would think

I had a game on a Badham as Deathslinger, where 4 survivors had decisive and adrenaline. That was not fun, let's not buff it any more.

@reimsvargas2470

Ай бұрын

It got buffed 😂, but how about not tunneling ? DS doesn’t work if you don’t tunnel.

@Flotter-Flo

Ай бұрын

@@reimsvargas2470 Exactly. Just ping-pong between 2. Don't give them their second chances. DS is also great for killers, because most Dyers don't use it as anti-tunnel, they wanna use it as a free escape, which keeps them off gens. Punish that. It's usually super obvious when they are baiting with DS. Just down and slug them, especially if they are the obsession. You can also use the slug as counter-bait.

I ain't so sure about it being rarely used by survivors. I see one at least half my games. What's also surprising is that I sometimes see it by itself + DH and without OTR which does seem like the stronger perk of the two, considering they're extremely similar. I guess it's less obvious and more of a bait to trick the killer into a loss if you're confident about getting picked up in the right place for DS. It's still a top 10 - 15 perk in my opinion.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

people will still use it obviously since tunnelers will tunnel and it is an anti-tunneling perk after all but it's not that good really. You get almost no distance with it and if it's a good killer that 1-2 seconds stun won't do anything

Personally I agree with you I do think they should buff it again somewhat and like your suggestion thought about it myself in similar way but I have to disagree about the end game. I think honestly it should deactivate in the end game. Too many FREE escapes in the game with old ds, I always felt it was cheap when I ds in the exit gate to buy time for othersand when I was killer it felt awful. Tunneling in the end game is not really tunneling at all at that point. It's perfectly fair in that respect I feel.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

yeah i get that and it happened to me before many times. My suggestion was it shouldn't deactivate if it got activated before the last gen got popped

@Aweal7

2 ай бұрын

Ah I think I misunderstood. So if you are unhooked before last gen pop and its still within that 60 seconds? If so yeah totally agree :) great vid btw@@Andrekenz

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

@@Aweal7 yes

But 4 man squad that ended MomoSeventh's winstreak had 4 DS, 2 OTR and 1 DH. And as you said - it's weak against Nurse, Blight and other strong killers, but if you use it wisely it's still useful.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

I have no idea who MomoSeventh is ngl and 4 ds, if that guy ate all the ds's is because of tunneling

@sadpug9398

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz Momo is guy with Blight's winstreak, that ended at 1947 wins. And yes, he is tunneling. He knew this SWFs knew him and streamsniped him, and were packed with anti-tunnel, so just knowing they has DS provides pressure.

You chose the funniest time to post this lmao

It got the nerf it deserved then they over did it and nerfed it too much after the first nerf

DS is still a good perk. It's just not the insane perk it used to be. It can get great value when used near a strong window, pallet, loop, or bodyblocking team. IMO it's fine as is.

@zBDBz.

2 ай бұрын

Too situational, barely usable anymore :(

@Doncroft1

2 ай бұрын

​ @zBDBz. Still gets used all the time. I see it in most my lobbies, usually paired with DH and OTR.

@Flotter-Flo

2 ай бұрын

This. This game is balanced around tunneling. One perk shouldn't change that. It should take a team effort.

@markscherer3881

Ай бұрын

@@Flotter-Floyou can kill survivors without tunneling. Git gud

@Flotter-Flo

Ай бұрын

@@markscherer3881 You can escape when you're being tunneled. Yoou just have to last. I also don't actively tunnel. I run Pain Res and Grim. But I'm offered a "tunnel" on a silver platter in most games. and I will instantly bite, lol

Survivors see a change and they instantly drop it like a hat. Dead hard and Decisive are still very strong. The collective just don't want to adapt.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

DS is useless if you don't get tunneled, and if u do it's still not that good imo. Dead hard u have it for whenever u need it, unlike ds. dead hard is still strong yeah, ds not really

@bigstick3064

2 ай бұрын

@@AndrekenzThen why do comp players still use it? And why does it get restricted to only one survivor in those comp games?

@machine1223

2 ай бұрын

@@bigstick3064 Why do you have the mindset that just because comp players do something we need to do it as if we are all trying to be comp players?

@olmanggg3

2 ай бұрын

@@bigstick3064 They use it because comp is not the same game it has too many restrictions, DS is not a problem with only one person the problem is when you stack them, 4 DH is worst than 4 DS and 4 OR is worst that 4 DS but you can not stack 4 DH in comp, they use it because in comp everybody tunnel, and you can not just simple stack 4 dh or 4 OR so may as well use it.

@Chlorinekekw

2 ай бұрын

Dh is the 7th most used surv perk lad and ds wasn't dropped JUST because it got nerfed, it was dropped because other perks came into the spotlight that are literally better at its job. OTR for example, you can tank a free hit and get more distance from that hit speed boost than you would get from the DS stun AND you have old IW and no aura on top of that. We did adapt, we chose to use better perks.

It is fine lol. I still use it a lot if I don't want to be tunneled. Like Dead Hard and Adrenaline, it functions as an extra health state, which is major for extending chases. The only buff it should receive in my opinion is to make the stun duration 5 seconds instead of 4 like it is now, but that is it, and even then it doesn't really need it.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

it's 3s right now, that's why i said it should be 4

@Gaminboi2864

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz Ah, yeah my bad, either way, one extra second is all it needs.

It got the fucking nerf it deserved saved you 5:39!

@bigstick3064

2 ай бұрын

It’s ironic that he concludes its useless and then shows this footage.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

I didn't say it's useless. I said it can be useless if the killer just doesn't tunnel. The killer in the footage could had chose to go for the people doing the gen but instead went for me so...@@bigstick3064

@zBDBz.

2 ай бұрын

@@bigstick3064 play 10 games and tell me how many times you use it, he used the footage cus its relevant to the video you sausage

@Flotter-Flo

2 ай бұрын

An anti tunnel perk SHOULD get 0 value if the killer doesn't tunnel.

Just my constructive criticism. I’d get to the point of the topic sooner and clean up a little with video/audio editing. Subtitles or using spell check would benefit a lot!

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

noted, thank you! Always trying to improve

Man if you think ds is a bad perk or that people are hardly run it, youre out of mind. DS is still one of the most used perks, especially at higher mmr. DS also destroys any non high tier killer as it is now. "butt when i DS a nurse or blight they just kill me immediately afterwards" well yeah, we call them s tier for a reason. Even OTR cant wont give you anymore time waste as DS against them. Frankly the old DS Unbreakable meta was one of the worst metas of all time. with survivors constantly trying to body block or harass the killer they arent trying to tunnel because they are immune for the next minute. Only beating the old Call of brine Eruption meta.

@HellIsForHeroes666

2 ай бұрын

oh if you want solo anti tunnel ds with lithe or dead hard are the best. Smashhit works too. Overall best anti tunnel perks tho are Borrowed Time or For the ppl but you never see ppl run them like that.

@Flotter-Flo

2 ай бұрын

Mostly agree but otr is miles better than ds

@HellIsForHeroes666

2 ай бұрын

@Flotter-Flo otr does more things, yes, but has some major downsides. Can be hit immediately off hook, killers can tell you have it immediately (sounds or lack of), can be still grabbed off pallets and windows, and can be hard countered by some killers and/or addons. Don't get me wrong though, otr is super strong but not an all-powerful pure antitunnel.

because I can't buy auric cells.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

this comment got my dying hahahaa

I would like this video if it's wasn't a lie, everyone uses that, I play 10 matches and 10/10 there Is at least 1 DS

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

i never see any ds's, at all, it's always OTR or DH

DS is trash. The perk is locked behind a paywall unless you get lucky with shrine, you still need to hit the skill check if you get it off and you barely get any distance. Off the record is better in almost every way possible and it makes you silent.

@Flotter-Flo

2 ай бұрын

Otr is also "locked behind a paywall" aka DLC

@grassyassy1533

2 ай бұрын

@@Flotter-Flo you can buy Zarina with iri shards unlike Laurie.

cause the average dbd player sucks. while its way worse than before, you can and should still use it. you just have to be more mindful of where you go down to aboid using it in a deadzone.

Ds deserve the nerf just imagine 4 swf with that was overpowered but leave it so dead like this is not fair, i think than ds should stun the killer 5 seconds if you are the obsesion so that can be a good change but if you are not the obsesion ds don t activate thats a good change for me

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

So... if you ain't the obsession... the perk just doesn't work? This is so bad...

@kevinperes4635

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz lmfaoo my english is so taco 😭😭 like work for 5 seconds if you are not the obsesion only 3

@kevinperes4635

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz taco bell english 😭😭😭😭

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

@@kevinperes4635 oh lmao ok not too bad but still, I think 4 seconds stun for everyone would be fair

@kevinperes4635

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz sorry for the bad english im still working on it 😭

Survivors couldn’t abuse it anymore simple as I play both and the only people I ever saw use it were toxic trolls who desperately needed that perk so they could feel good about themselves

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

I'm a survivor main but whenever I play killer I just simply don't tunnel even when old ds was around so personally I never had issues with the perk, if a killer wants to tunnel they should gets punished. That it deactivates on actions is good imo but the 3s stun is very short...

@spookieboogi6161

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz all I ever saw was it being abused even as killer people would move in the way after unhook to take a hit they’d also run to farthest corners of the map and abuse the old stun timer. But it was abused heavily it was in troll builds for a reason in high mmr its very heavily abused and used as a get out of jail free card. Survivors also need to face punishment for their mistakes rather than having a get out of jail free card we need to stop coddling them it’s about time survivors start asking themselves is the killer toxic or am I just bad?

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

just wait the timer out or slug . counter play for ds exists you just choose not to see it. if a survivor is asking to get tunnel then they prob got ds, wait it out and kill them after@@spookieboogi6161

@spookieboogi6161

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz I do it all the time my point was survivor is by far the easiest role you have 3 times the brains and hands on a task as well as the ability to use your perks without conditions for the most part, killers every perk and power has a condition that the survivor has almost complete control over. Ds is a crutch it teaches survivors instead of learning loops and distance I can just rely on this perk to get me out of trouble. The best players in the game don’t use crutches for a reason and in tournaments survivors have more restrictions for a reason. Ds is a crutch it shouldn’t be buffed it’s fine where it is it teaches survivors this isn’t abusable it teaches you to use it to extend chases or buy your team time and a way to save your bacon if needed but it’s not a crutch to be leaned on. As it was in the old days it was a crutch. Learn loops learn to work together that’s the key not buffing perks to insane levels

@Flotter-Flo

2 ай бұрын

If you dont have a killer on a streak higher than 50, your opinion on tunneling is worthless.

sorry for ruining ur video lol 3:57

dont even act like most killers 'tunneled' when what gets called camping or tunneling or proxy camping is always just whatever survivors say it is in endgame chat my guy.... like srly this is the mentality that made me leave the damn game is entitled idiots who didnt realize how bad they were playing cause they rely'd on crutch perks that when kicked out from under them, left them not just getting dumpstered but it seems willingly stepping in the dumpster themselves....

@__Kurobei___

Ай бұрын

3:25 this is why i dont care about your guyses bitching and moaning and why i wish the devs woulda made it clear from the start that for the survivors, its not YOU surviving that matters but the majority of the TEAM surviving that does.... even if YOU SPECIFICALLY die but than 3 of your teammates escape, even if you legitimately were actually tunneled, that would be a massive dub for you because your team won........ like srly stop crying because you dont win EVERY SINGLE 50/50 coin toss when the devs themselves in past have literally stated that it is 100% intended that 2 players at least die each match with 3 is a win for the survivors and 4 is supposed to be the 1 in a million landslide victory while 3 dead is a win for the killer and 4 again with how the hatch works often in the survivors favor (like even i a killer main think it should) would be the killers landslide victory..... honestly i think if they just added proxy voice and text chat for the survivors than that also would basically kill the thought that you ARENT supposed to win by working a team meaning YOUR death is fine if the 2 to 3 others escape.

@__Kurobei___

Ай бұрын

4:25 let me guess... you try body blocking, you t-bag, flashlight click, and or constantly try to take on chases and than scream tunneling afterwords... beyond that if you get hooked once, ESPECIALLY if your bad at dealing with chases than its good quiick and easy pressure for the killer... dude your basically saying 'i guess killers just wanna try to win and dont worry i agree.... its INSANE to think they actually wanna win the game!!!'

@Andrekenz

Ай бұрын

If what you say it's true, then why is mmr a thing? your mmr goes up if u escape and down if you die. NOT if your team-mates escape or die, so basically the whole paragraph you just wrote it's bs. And no I ain't toxic, you can check my streams etc... to see all I'm saying in this vid it's true. So if I get targeted from the beginning of the game and tunneled in the first 3 minutes then I spectate my team escaping I should be happy?

@__Kurobei___

Ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz because they are bad developers...

@__Kurobei___

Ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz i thought the fact that they have resorted to appeasing the survivor whales and saying 'fuck balance' to make them happy shoulda made that clear enough...

They made it take skill to use, lol

@sadpug9398

2 ай бұрын

What skill? Do die 1min after unhook?

It's not that people wake up one day, play killer and say: "oh, I feel like tunneling every survivor I see today". Tunneling is a strategy you sometimes have to apply to put yourself in a decent enough situation for you to counter swf, genrushers and the like. There is always a reason people do stuff

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

Tell that to the killers (sometimes blight even nurse) that tunnel me at 5 gens😭

@EdoardoLusuardi

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz I only do that when I get genrushed and I only have 1 or 2 hooks on different people. Generally you wanna reach one person dead on hook by the time 2/3 gens are missing. If one person gets randomly tunneled at 5 gens you should sit on gens as much as you can to kinda counter the tunneling at ideally end up with only one dead person and one gen missing or something like that.

Old DS was menace and to be expected on pretty much every survivor in the trial, a whole 60 seconds window of "fvck you". Glad its gone. Current version is kinda bad tho. Still wouldnt increase the stun duration but rather add a 2 second sprintburst to relocate, not yet sure if exhaustion on it would be balanced

Good riddens

They need to buff it, they did to many nerfs😤🙏

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

they really did, it deserves a nice buff

@zBDBz.

2 ай бұрын

Old DS will always have a special place in my heart

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

I thought i had a special place in your heart =(

@zBDBz.

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz that’s reserved for ur cats sorry

@warningjk3326

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz like I can barely do any plays with it

Bro honestly idk why this is on my feed but tf are you on seriously. I always see at least 2 ds's per game. And there were some 60-70 perks when DS was a meta perk. Now there are 10 f'ing pages of perks. Isn't it normal for DS to be less used than before?

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

personally I only see like 1 person every 10 games using ds and I have used it and can confidently say that it just won't really do much. The perk can be useless anw if the killer just simply doesn't tunnel

Behavior: we’re going to make an anti tunnel perk so u could stay in the game longer. Also behavior: man ain’t this many ppl getting tunneled out stop picking this perk all the time. Our data is saying that y’all are but it’s also bugged. So we can’t believe that either

Your logic it totally flawed. While i do agree it was probably slightly over nerfd with the time aspect and 4 sec stun would be better, you say its useless if the killer does not tunnel, so are you saying you want to be tunneled just because you have the perk ? DS was nerfed for that exact reason, its not there so the survivor can force the killer to tunnel by bodyblocking or following the killer around just to get use out of it, its suppose to be incase you get tunneled to give you a chance to make the killer waste more time, which it will most definitely do if used near a pallet or window and you are half decent at looping.

It's not even close to OP. You are very ignorant for even thinking that. There should be penalties to any killer who tunnels. Reduced movement speed, etc.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you 100%, if they tunnel they should get punished, the people calling ds op are the ones that just tunnel all the time lmao. the perk is just useless if u don't tunnel

@GuidoPerico-rh2uy

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz lol you have to tunnel to beat a decent team

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

@@GuidoPerico-rh2uy well I don't tunnel cause Ik it ain't fun. I don't play to win

This channel: why nobody use ds no more? Me who see people use it and 3 doritos later get spanked in hook: 💀 i see you have chosen death. Side note: that perk only work ONCE only ONCE. You cant use it during endgame and they still dare to bring it 😤 🤷

it is still op, it should only active for 45 second and doesnt work off grabbing by any means

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

lmao just don't tunnel and the perk is useless

@CaptToilet

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz What is the definition of tunnel? I could go and down 2 survivors and hook them within the 60 second window and come across the DS user and it would still be active. Why is the killer punished in this scenario?

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

how much is the chance of this happening?if that person still got ds then it means they did no gens or heal anyone so... and tunneling means just going for the person that just got unhooked and targeting them.@@CaptToilet

@Doncroft1

2 ай бұрын

​@@AndrekenzIt happens quite often when injured survivors group up near an unhook.

Because you only have 3 seconds to get away.

@Andrekenz

2 ай бұрын

Not even 3. Animation takes 1 second lmao so basically less than 2 seconds haha

@Onlyfengsdotcom

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrekenz yea thats why its 3 the perk is 4 but yea its a bad perk.