"tank engines like Thomas, don't need tenders. They can go just as well backwards as forwards. But to hear Gordon talk, you would've thought that the fat controller had given him a tender, just to show how important he was."

The longest serving steam locomotives in Britain were the A1\A1X Terrier tank engines with some achieving 90+ years service until retirement. A really useful engine as someone we know might say. 😀

@quantum_martian

2 жыл бұрын

The most famous being Stepney of Thomas the tank engine. And the bluebell railway

@ianbailey4667

2 жыл бұрын

And in September, Fenchurch will celebrate her 150th birthday

@peeky44

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention Newport on the Isle of Wight which won the 1878 Paris Exhibition Gold medal. (edit: somehow managed to get the wrong date and loco name first time)

@johnfry1011

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianbailey4667 having, at one time, lived in a road named after Fenchurch I have a soft spot for her (it’s definitely the engine as there was a Stepney Close nearby too)

@ianbailey4667

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnfry1011 great that there are roads named after them, have been lucky enough to have been on a train hauled by Freshwater

Well I do believe that Thomas, is indeed a tank engine.

@tomwillis309

2 жыл бұрын

And a very useful one at that

@joshuaW5621

2 жыл бұрын

And the most famous tank engine

@Enterprising11

2 жыл бұрын

True

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

He's my favorite tank engine. Even if he's just a toy. I grew up with the models, so I choose to remember them as "toy trains", as my mom said when I was little.

@flowerfrombfdi

Жыл бұрын

And I believe Stepney is one too.

Thomas was so happy when he got his own branch line.

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

He cried tears of joy on arrival on it in my Thomasverse.

@Jimmy_Jones

11 ай бұрын

​​@erical6338 Are you sure he didn't just find shed 17?

I grew up in the States in a division point on the Union Pacific Railroad. My family was definitely a 'railroading family' with all the male members, including myself, working on the railroad in some capacity for three generations. I only mention that to point out that I don't think I ever saw a tank engine, even in the shunting yard, which we called a switching yard. And it wasn't like I had no opportunity to notice. I lived on one side and my Gran lived on the other just across the street from the yard. Thus, walking across the yard was an almost daily occurrence.

The major advantage of a tank engine is that you can have a Vindaloo without having a tender behind.

@peterjansen7929

2 жыл бұрын

LOL - probably the best joke I ever read in a KZread comment. Thanks!

8:10 My most favourite of the three BR Standard Class tanks, the Class 4. It's big and very fast.

I'd never heard of an inverted saddle tank. Learn something new every day!

@johndavies1090

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think they were any too common - usually the tank was underneath the boiler, but not low between the frames, which made it a well tank.

@bow-tiedengineer4453

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndavies1090 yeah, I only found a couple examples when I looked it up, but it's an interesting design. I wonder if anyone was crazy enough to have both an inverted saddle tank in the front and a normal saddle tank behind the chimney, possibly connected together into one ridiculous tank.

I was a huge Thomas the Tank Engine fan as a kid (and I did visit Bury and the station at Bolton Road to see a 'full size' Thomas. But I didn't know what a tank engine was in 1990 though, I thought it was just a steam train... That was until this video that is, thanks for the clarity Jago. Now only if ELR can keep the line a heritage railway and not have Northern Rail turn it back into a branch line.

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

Without Thomas, I'd associate "tank engine" with Army tanks. Rosie and Porter are from my country, btw.

My favorite type of locomotive. They look like it's fully packed and ready for the journey they're gonna fulfill

Thanks, you saddled up well to give us some great information, and sitting to edit the video did not give you a tender behind.

@Keithbarber

2 жыл бұрын

Your puns are almost as funny 😄 as mine - as posted elsewhere in these comments

London Transport had some second-hand GWR 57xx pannier tanks that were used to haul engineering trains when the electricity on the sub-surface lines was turned off at night. There was a daytime train that ran to the spoil heap at Croxley. It would run to Watford to take water from an attractive tower which looked as if it had been there since the station was built in the 1920s. Once watered the engine would run round the train and return southwards as access to the siding at Croxley was from the up (towards London) line only. This was the last non-heritage main line steam in the UK; it ended with a spectacular run from the City to Neasden depot via Baker Street in June 1971. Some of the LT panniers were rescued and have run in their LT livery in preservation. One features in the 1970s film of E. Nesbit's "The Railway Children".

During the Kuwait war in 1991 there were reports of tank engines being unloaded and stored at the quayside at the supply port. It conjured up an image of rows of Jinties and 5700 class locos in sidings by the water's edge. Lovely picture.

Worst thing I here on Thomas etc railway days is the General Public calling it Thomas The Tank. ( though in fairness the military self propelled killing machines were called Tanks as a means of disguising their purpose )

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

Thomas the Train's another. He's not a train, he's a train engine, a tank engine to be exact. Say "tank engine" and I see his adorable face. Someone said "Thomas has a very cute face."

Thomas the Tank Engine, published the year I was born and I had early copies read to me at bedtime. Because of them I always wanted to be an engine driver, but my eyes weren't big enough to fit in the windows.

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

He came to my country the year I was born, via Shining Time Station. So, Shining Time Station's the reason I know what a tank engine, because Thomas taught me.

Apart from being nicely explained as usual, this illustrates a pretty wide range of historic British tank engines of numerous classes in various locations - the NRM at York naturally features strongly, and several preserved railways and steam centres. Several noteworthy classes shown - the LBSC Terriers, L&Y 2-4-2s, LMS Stanier tanks, and GWR panniers for example.

*He Has Six Small Wheels* *A Short Stumpy Funnel* *A Short Stumpy Boiler* *And A Short Stumpy Dome*

@rayfisher3921

Жыл бұрын

This has always irritated me because the illustrations make plain he DIDN'T have a short stumpy funnel or dome. On the contrary.

Tank engines are severely underrated. I do love a massive T1 or Big Boy but the tiny little shunters and narrow gauge locomotives have my heart.

I arrogantly expected this to be an amusing presentation of what I already knew. Well, it was...until the last couple of minutes. "Well" tanks, "box" tanks, "wing" tanks, "inverted saddle" tanks and "back" tanks. Wow, never heard of them before! I look foward to telling my wife that I'm not such a nerd.

@MrDavil43

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like perfect bedtime conversation to me!

From one massive nerd to another! Thoroughly enjoyed this foray into tank engines! As one who grew up with the Railway books it was nice to see them referred to here... PS have you ever met the Fat Controller? 😁

The model railway nerd in me was absolutely loving this video! 😃

@JagoHazzard

2 жыл бұрын

There’s more steam train stuff to come, including a locomotive that likely owes its fame to model railways.

I find it interesting that the Southern Railway had tank engines that closely and furtherly fit its short distance passenger runs. Two tank engines, the K class from the South Eastern & Chatham Railway and the L class frrom the London Brighton & South Coast were each designed for express trains. Meanwhile, the London & South Western Railway had _two_ tank engines for heavy shunting and trip freights, the H16 and G16, both of which ended up being the widest steam engines in the country. And then when the Southern Railway happened, the W and Z class tank engines appeared for the same duties

@bingbong7316

2 жыл бұрын

The K, or "River" class had stability issues over poor track, resulting in the Sevenoaks disaster in 1927 and their rebuilding into U class tender engines. Strangely, the L class suffered the same stability issues until they were modified to halve the capacity of the side tanks and have a well tank fitted between the frames; clearly, news didn't travel fast, because it would have solved the K problems. The L class were also rebuilt, into the mediocre N15X class of tender engines, following electrification of the Brighton line. Also, the I3 Atlantic tanks were early examples of superheated engines, running from Brighton to Rugby and back without a water stop - this impressed the LNWR so much, they took up superheating.

@richardharrold9736

2 жыл бұрын

@@bingbong7316 the LBSCR had better P-way than the SECR (much of which used round sea pebbles for ballast!), Gresley borrowed a River and put it to work on fast stoppers from King's Cross to Peterborough and found it to be a fine engine, more than capable of 80+mph running without problems. The Billinton L class was mediocre as a tank engine, looked fantastic but the cylinder and valve design was utterly obsolete, it needed pushing down hills rather than being able to coast. A 4-6-0 tender variant was intended by Billinton but WW1 and subsequent electrification of the BML got in the way, but the urgent need for motive power on the LSWR Salisbury-Exeter route caused them to be redeployed there in rebuilt form - unfortunately, Maunsell did nothing to improve the front end! Had they been fitted with the big outside piston valves and cylinders of the Urie *15/16 family... There was of course the later W class, a tank engine variant of the N1 3-cylinder 2-6-0, and a 2-cylinder version thereof (or a tank version of the N-class, or smaller-wheeled K) was successfully employed on the Metropolitan line between Marylebone and Buckinghamshire...

@bingbong7316

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardharrold9736 ohh, the W was lovely. The Met tanks built from Maunsell parts were called the K class... intentionally?

@richardharrold9736

2 жыл бұрын

@@bingbong7316 unfortunately, the Met Ks (LNER L2s) were withdrawn immediately after WW2 while their siblings continued for another 15-20 years... why they weren't sold/reallocated to the Southern I cannot comprehend!

@iankemp1131

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardharrold9736 Probably the Southern simply didn't need any more W's. They were just used for short trip freights round London (as on the Met). It would seem that they were not felt sprightly enough for passenger train use by the Met, LNER or SR. BR went for LMS-type 2-6-4 tanks instead on routes like Oxted/Uckfield.

Appearances can be deceptive. I always considered the Sydney (NSW) suburban 30 Class tanks to be small, until one day one was coupled to the front of The Flying Scotsman 4472 on its 1988 visit to Australia. The Sydney tank was bigger than the Flying Scotsman! A lot of the 30 Class were converted to tender engines when Sydney electrification made them redundant; they were given the name "30T Class" which caused some confusion. The last 30 Class Tank was withdrawn in February 1973.

If you deal with an American rail fan remember you shunt, we switch. so switch engine and switch yard. Oh and we also have been to HUMP cars in a switch yard (meaning the switcher rolls the cars to the top of a small hill then allowed to free roll through the switches (points) to the line of cars that will make up the next "haul" (Train).

@caw25sha

2 жыл бұрын

There were hump shunting yards in Britain as well, and I believe many other countries.

@dunebasher1971

2 жыл бұрын

Hump-shunting happens/happened in the UK too. You'll still see wagons with signs on them saying "Not to be hump or loose shunted"

@Tevildo

2 жыл бұрын

Strictly speaking, a line of wagons (cars) that make up a train is a "rake". The train is the whole thing with the loco (er - loco?) and brake van (caboose) attached. :)

Little industrial tank engines are my absolute favourite

Furthest north GWR-design pannier tanks have reached? Helmsdale, way up the far north of Scotland. In 1958, the Dornoch branch was needing new engines to replace their ancient and clapped-out Highland Railway 0-6-0s. 16xx Class 0-6-0PT 1649, designed for the Welsh valleys, was transferred from Swindon to Inverness Lochgorm shed, and was sent to work on the Dornoch branch. It was so successful that it was soon joined by sister engine 1646. Inverness Lochgorm was also home to a Jinty at one point.

@rayfisher3921

Жыл бұрын

Actually they were based at Helmsdale shed.

before this video, I thought a tank engine was the same as a steam locomotive. Thank you for educating me on the topic!

4:51 and 4:58: those two locomotives were some of the first loco models made by Matchbox. I'm not really a train nerd, but when i was very little someone in the family gave me a Matchbox train set and some extra trains, which included those two models. It always bothered me they didn't look anything like the trains we have/had in Denmark

Thanks for showing a GWR Pannier tank locomotive.

I do like your KZread channel called “Jago Hazzard”. I’ve always been so fascinated in your videos since I started watching your videos and subscribed to your videos. Keep up the good work Jago.

Pls do more of these kind of videos on the really nerdy stuff. I like it

I'm not in anyway a "Railway" enthusiast but somehow I'm always drawn to and fascinated by Jago's posts. So interesting.

@SportyMabamba

2 жыл бұрын

That’s how we get you 😉

@jimfrodsham7938

2 жыл бұрын

@@SportyMabamba LOL yes, maybe I'm becoming a "closet" railway nerd 😁

@SportyMabamba

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimfrodsham7938 One of us! One of us!

@jimfrodsham7938

2 жыл бұрын

@@SportyMabamba LOL, maybe PMSL 😆

Jago (really Norman) another great video I am ALWAYS amazed at the little quip at the end of your videos regarding Paterson, I was waiting and thinking, what could old NORMAN say this time, but as usual you came up with something regarding water and tanks. Very good Jago.

Not watched it yet, but really hoping Jago is in my beloved home town of Ramsbottom. That definitely looks like a platform I have spent many hours on...

Always known what tank engines were thanks to Thomas. Also interesting to learn of the different types that exist.

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

Me, too. Thomas taught me practically everything I know about tank engines.

I worked on a lot of them in the 1960s at Bournemouth, thanks for bringing back some great memories, Jago. The Riddle's locos were like a Rolls Royce for seating and shoveling comfort, and the GWR saddle tanks were like a slave Galley for shoveling ! LOL !

Is there a reason why larger locomotives, Pacifics for example, didn't have some kind of integral tank to allow for either more coal in the tender and/or smaller tenders?

@pf32900

2 жыл бұрын

Probably because of the diameter of the boiler. Certainly on express locos, the boiler is BIG.

@johndavies1090

2 жыл бұрын

@@pf32900 Capacity is one reason, safety another. The big express tank types had to have their tanks high on the footplate, which could lead to problems with stability if the water started sloshing in a part empty tank. Indeed the SECR/SR K or 'River' class had to be rebuilt as mogul tender engines after the Sevenoaks disaster for that reason - they were known as the 'Rolling Rivers'. Above a certain boiler diameter tanks became impractical anyway - an A3, Princess or Royal Scot boiler was close to the loading gauge limits. And the amount of machinery in between the frames debarred well tanks. Express engines needed much more water than coal - they had water scoops, to replenish the tender tanks from track troughs while on the move, but could carry sufficient coal for a London - Edinburgh or Glasgow run.

@iankemp1131

2 жыл бұрын

@@pf32900 And the associated weight. Express engines and particularly boilers tended to be sized up to give the maximum allowable axle loading. Carrying more water on the engine part would have made it too heavy or compromised the power.

@johnkeepin7527

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndavies1090 Except on the Southern Railway, which did not use water troughs - so they had larger tender tanks instead. Incidentally, the “modern” class A1, Tornado, has a reduced amount of coal capacity (something like 7.5 tons cf 9 tons on the originals) on the tender, to allow for more water.

Jago Hazzard staying on track as always !

@ashleyjiscool

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahhahahahahahaha funny pun

@Keithbarber

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashleyjiscool a bit boring May send me to sleeper on the trackbed 😀 I have added my own set of one liners

@ashleyjiscool

2 жыл бұрын

@@Keithbarber ok

@ashleyjiscool

2 жыл бұрын

@Rich H ik

@Keithbarber

2 жыл бұрын

@Rich H you must be really pleased with that one, well chuff chuffed

as always, a great video delivered in the self deprecating "hazzard" style (and more enjoyable for it too!). I have a small quibble: you mention that shunting involves moving stock and isn't a money maker ... a very small part of shunting was (and is) stock movement. The vast majority of shunting involves organizing freight traffic at large marshalling yards so the right cargo goes to the right destination, and was a very significant revenue earner for the pre-BR big 4 that continues to this day. The LNER made more money on freight, and less on passenger traffic (while the Southern was the obverse ... maybe worth a video?)

Side tanks which are part of the hull of a ship are usually also called wing tanks. Never knew why too. Maybe they were expecting the ship to fly when the tanks were getting empty.

@johndavies1090

2 жыл бұрын

Similarly, there are 'wings' either side of a theatre stage. Probably because they're on the sides?

Puffing Billy (NA class) is a 2’6” guage tank engine. I love the look of the pannier tank engines, first time I saw them was in 1950s videos. I hope to come to the UK in 2024 and see them for myself.

In Dutch those engines are called 'tenderlocomotief', because it is a combination of the two. It is a bit confusing though, since it doesn't have a tender :P

@fritz46

2 жыл бұрын

Same in German.

Wait, Jago isn’t your real name? 😜 Another excellent video - you are definitely travelling around the heritage lines these days!

6:58 I’m guessing that Dougal used to work at Provan Gas Works in Glasgow. I moved to Glasgow back in 2020, and I have noticed all the disused railway relics that were once part of the branch line to to works.

loved watching as you are very educational and fun to watch.

How dare you suggest that Thomas the Tank Engine is fictional. You’ll be telling us that there’s no Santa Claus next and that the Tooth Fairy doesn’t exist. 😂🤣😂. Seriously though keep up the good work, I love your style.

Finally got the answers I needed for so long. Now I have to check what they were called in Sweden.

blimey that ad transition was smooth as heck

That’s interesting. With the saddle tanks, wouldn’t the water start to get hot, expand etc? And wouldn’t that be a problem?

Brilliant video, I live on the Tilbury Southend branch line so that gave me a little moment of pride.

Nice pictures of the different heritage trains.

Lots of shots from the East Lancs Railway in this video. I know the guards in the Stove R at the end of the video 😄

Might be worth following this up with the Steam Locomotives of the Metropolitan Railway and London Transport

Well, well, well (As Mr Beattie said when describing his three new tank engines in 1863) what a splendid episode. Not only did you manage to describe the concept in simple yet not patronising terms, you also managed to get a fabulous Rev Awdry pun at the very end 🤓 I don’t know why, but the older I’ve got, the more I seem to really love tank engines. Admittedly, one of my favourite engines full stop is the Webb Coal Tank (thanks for including it BTW!) as is the Standard 4MT 2-6-4 (thanks for mentioning my line the LTS as well!) but it is the sheer variety in type, shape, size and configuration that appeals, plus the fact there is nothing better than watching a plucky little industrial tank engine thrashing the hell out of a hill pulling a big load 😎 I remember talking to one of the directors of the Swanage Railway who, as luck would have it, was sat adjacent to us on the Wessex Belle dining train (you really must, it’s wonderful!) and he summed it up for me: “Don’t get me wrong, I love having the Pacific’s here and they are beautiful. But it’s much more fun to listen to the old M7 really pushing herself at 25 up the hill.” 😍 Lovely to see a picture of the original Welsh Pony. Had the fortune to see the new incarnation when visiting the fam in Wales and my goodness, it was emotional. Funny how these things that are essentially just a load of lumps of metal stuck together can stir emotions that, frankly, are far more affectionate that at least half the humans I have had the (mis) fortune of meeting 🤔 Ho hum, cheers old fruit! Absolutely loved the footage. So good, I ended up watching it all through again 😎👍🍀🍻

Tanks a lot for another really great video Jago

This is nothing to do with the topic on hand, but I come over hopelessly nostalgic whenever I see blue and white railway carriages. I bet they've got that weird scratchy grey moquette on the seats as well. Sigh.

@caw25sha

2 жыл бұрын

Now to me they are an unwelcome reminder of the Miserable Seventies. I quite like the previous dark red and cream though, sort of Heartbeat/Miss Marple if you see what I mean.

@highpath4776

2 жыл бұрын

@@caw25sha I quite like the Blue and White era , though a rake of Southern Railway Green is probably the ultimate hauled by a Schools or King Arthur

@LancashireLass

2 жыл бұрын

@@caw25sha I was too young to notice how ghastly the seventies were, it just takes me back to childhood and my innocent desire to be a train driver!

Examples were the LB&SC E2S and A1/A1Xs, Porters, GWR 14XX, and LNER J50s

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

Thomas. You mention his basis and I associate tank engine with him and his franchise almost completely. The basis of any tank engine in TTTE's deeply associated with the franchise for me. The Little Engine That Could's my only other association, other than TTTE and the basis of any tank engine there.

Great see the East Lancashire Railway feature in this video. Hope you had a pint in the Trackside (Bury) and Buffer Stop (Rawtenstall).

As soon as I read the title, the Thomas the Tank Engine theme just started playing in my head LOL

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

I associate him completely with the phrase.

I was on the Bury Line behind the Flying Scotsman last year I must admit of all the types of locomotive the little tank engine is one of my favourites. The A4's and Coronation Class look magnificent but your more likely to see a Jinty or J72

@johndavies1090

2 жыл бұрын

And they are much handier, and believable, in the space I have for a model railway!

The Southern Z class was actually used to bank trains up the gradient from Exeter St Davids to Exeter Central. Hence the tiny tanks as they didn’t go very far. There is a picture on one in BR days outside of Exeter for a trial but the caption incorrectly states the location as Bournemouth

I enjoyed this, and learned something I did not know. Tank you!

Where did you get your information about these engines? Where did you loco-late it all? And it must have taken you a fair amount of time to "coal-late" it all together And what inspired you to make this film? What was your loco-motivation? Is this going to make you an es/steamed filmmaker?

@JunkMan13013

2 жыл бұрын

When I become world king, these sort of puns become a capital offence 😐

@Keithbarber

2 жыл бұрын

@@JunkMan13013 so it would be the end of the line for them?

@JunkMan13013

2 жыл бұрын

@@Keithbarber I hate that you’re so good at this hahaha

@Keithbarber

2 жыл бұрын

@@JunkMan13013 😀thanks

@tonys1636

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, the punishment from these is unboilerviable.

Back just after WW2 my father and mother went on holiday to friends in Okehampton , Devon. Father was a keen (but not very good) angler, and getting fed up with the Okement rivers heard of a lake at Meldon Quarry, to which he walked. Setting up his equipment he cast into the rather large, round, container afoot the Meldon Viaduct, a steam locomotive came puffing by and the crew were heard to laugh. Later in the afternoon the locomotive return and the fireman shouted Caught Anything ? - No - " Well that be not surprising, 'tis the tank for the water supply for the locomotives here'.

@johndavies1090

2 жыл бұрын

There was an engine which ran on the Aberystwyth to Cardigan line which, so legend has it, really did have a large fish swimming about in it's tender water tank. This may have inspired the Awdry story, "Thomas Goes Fishing".

@iankemp1131

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndavies1090 There was an eel in a GSWR "Baltic" tank as well for some years. The Thomas story may have derived from an occasion when an engine actually did have to be topped up with river water (including pollution and fish) in an emergency when water columns were out of action.

Well I consider myself a partial railway nerd. And I'm so glad I stumbled across you all those months ago. Or wait. Has it been more than a year? I've lost track. Oh dear. Unintentional railway pun. LOL

That Segway into the surf shark ad was smooth as French butter

I liked that radio show that was on in the early 2000's I think the morning pirates did it. Anyway it was Thomas the Tanked engine. In my country tanked is a colloquial term for being very drunk. And it was the antics of a very drunk tank engine.

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

Did they put alcohol in your tank, Thomas? Did you go to a pub next to the rails or something?

Brilliant video sir.

2:09 They did this in 2000 to make the title not so lengthy. It's more convenient for brief conversations. Furthermore Thomas is still referred to his full title even with this slight modification to the title.

@AtheistOrphan

2 жыл бұрын

And for goodness’ sake do not mention ‘Thomas And The Magic Railroad’!

Now that was a smooth segue.

Excellent - detailed, clear, lucid, accurate, and beautifuly illustrated. A number of British companies, from Brighton to Glasgow, had some really massive 'Baltic' type tanks for express passenger work in the late 1900s - being very few in numbers, they mostly vanished fairly soon after the 1923 grouping. Confusingly, in Germany a tank engine is a 'tenderlok', while a tender locomotive is a 'schlepptenderlok' (or 'dragging tender engine'!) They and other European lines had some massive tanks for hilly country work, and plenty of small, quaint ones for shunting and bimmelbahn (rural local lines) work. The American railroads weren't so keen on tank engines, save for fast, light suburban short distance work or yard work. Many of theirs had panniers or saddles, because US steam engines were usually built around the boiler (the light frames kept the moving parts in the right places, and the boiler was the backbone, the opposite to European practice) and the tanks were simply hung from it. GWR Pannier tanks were introduced when Swindon adopted the angular Belpair firebox - fitting a saddle tank over it and keeping it watertight was not an easy task, and panniers were a simple solution. Just loved every second of it

@iankemp1131

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, the Baltic tanks seem to have been pretty uniformly unsuccessful wherever you went. Lancashire and Yorkshire, Furness, London Tilbury and Southend, Glasgow and South Western, all ate coal voraciously and oscillated at speed if they ever got there. The LBSC ones were about the best but still not great and even when rebuilt as 4-6-0s were mainly confined to secondary duties. In WW2 they were sent to the GWR mainly for goods trains. Probably poor valve events are the common feature to all of these. Likewise Deeley's 0-6-4 tanks for the Midland which were tried on the Tilbury line but weren't as quick as the LTS 4-4-2s. W.A. Tuplin explained this by concluding that they were "probably the most port-strangled steam engines of the 20th century" - narrow steam passages with sharp bends giving large pressure drop.

1:28 brings new meaning to the term "rail gun" also this means the weapons from Choo Choo Charlies are real!😲

I wonder about the term "Jinty" It seems to me to be a nautical reference but I haven't been able to find a defintion.

Well played with that ad

Nice to meet you, Yagoo Hazzard!

Thats funny, you call a usual locomotive tender engine, but in german its the opposite, a tank engine is called Tenderlokomotive, coz the tender is amalgated into the engine

Were you at the East Lancashire Railway for the background footage?

I see 80151. I helped cleaning the rust out of her tanks many weekends at the Stour Valley Railway. Its difficult to get in the tanks at over 6' tall. M

Informative as usual. They were very popular all over Europe, but in North America, with longer distances being common, they didn't catch on as much, even for shunting...or as we say in the USA and Canada, "Switching" (we also refer to a "set of points" as a "railroad switch", so make of that what you will)

Tank you Jago ! l'm sure l'm not the first to say this...doh! l had the books way back when, early 70's, featuring Thomas, Gordon, The Fat Controller, Percy ... Loved 'em !

Extremely disappointed to hear you aren't actually called Jago. I thought I'd found someone else with the name! (outside of Cornwall that is)

Noticed some footage there from Bury. East Lancashire railway. 🙌

Nice sponsorship Segway, fairly creative

i love the opening where you say "explain railway terminology for the benefit of people who arent nerds like me". Then you have me, who is a massive railway nerd who didnt learn anything new but the videos are still entertaining to watch so i do anyway. (sometimes i do learn things, but thats usually related to UK specific stuff that doesnt apply to where i live on the other side of the planet)

Did the engines used for shunting have improved bumpers, or brakes? If you are doing a lot of manouvering... would you need better precision at stopping... or repeatedly butting against rolling stock

@2:36, nerds to the nth degree says the person avidly devouring Jago's every word.

I live for nerdy stuff like this, tanks very much, Jago. Especially if it concerns the railways. ;) 4:24 This engine (Lancashire and Yorkshire Class 21 'Pug' No.19, built in 1910) is a fairly recent return-ee to steam, as her gleaming condition indicates. Another example of this class (L&Y No. 68, LMS No. 11218 & BR No. 51218; built 1901 and withdrawn September 1964) survives as a static exhibit at Oxenhope on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway, though there are considerations about returning this example to working order too.

A really useful video.

The advantage of a tank engine is that the weight of the water and fuel aids adhesion, but an equivalent tender engine will have a lighter axle loading (e.g. Ivatt 2MT Mogul vs Prairie tank), so are actually better for light railways, at the expense of poorer adhesion. Also, the reason the GWR went for panniers was they started out with saddle tanks but Churchward wanted Belpaire fireboxes on everything.

@bryansmith1920

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry Richard did you miss the point about Track adhesion Or do you not go outside in inclement weather ???

@richardharrold9736

2 жыл бұрын

@@bryansmith1920 no, that is the point I am making. If you have two otherwise identical designs (such as with the LMS/BR 2MTs), the tank engine will have better adhesion than the tender engine because the weight of the water is bearing directly on the driving wheels instead of the undriven wheels of the tender. The trade-off is that the tank engine is heavier overall and has a higher axle loading compared to its tender sibling...

@norbitonflyer5625

2 жыл бұрын

Other disadvantages of tank engines are that the tanks limit the size of boiler that can be fitted, and that the amount of adhesive force will vary as the water is used up. There were also some high-speed derailments caused by unstable running caused by water sloshing about in the tanks when they were half-full (or half-empty, take your pick). In general a tank engine can go at the same speed in neither direction, but an ogherwise similar tender engine facing the right way can go faster.

I used to watch that cartoon until 2011. I even made my own bus parody of that show.

Tank... you very much, Jago, for this most interesting explanation.

like the east lancs shots in the video nice to see the engins running

Was wondering where you filmed the heritage railway footage and where the indoor trains were?

@AtheistOrphan

2 жыл бұрын

4:02 may offer a teensy clue.

Tanks a lot Jago!

Thanks for your very useful video! :)

Wonder what kind of Tank Locomotive would Jago be? My money is on a Pannier Tank! Great Video Jago.

@erical6338

Жыл бұрын

I'd be a US-built tank engine, because that's my country. My trainsona on FanFiction's an S100, which is a US-built tank engine. As a kid, I had a TTTE tank engine personality, because I was an imp. So my trainsona's cheeky and gets into mischief with Thomas. He's her best friend.

Were you at the Didcot event in October last year? Some of this footage seems like things I saw then

smoootth ad intro. Well done.

Don't forget the large tank engines used by the GW the 4200 class 2-8-0T and 7200 class 2-8-2T

Tanks for that informative film. I will get my🧥