It was definitely necessary to have Namor give that tour of Talokan. That was the setting up point of hospitality for Shuri to empathize in the end with Namor. It drew all those parallels together and thus formed their ability to eventually make a truce. Namor even explains why he decided to not continue the fight in the end.

@ramblinentertainment1922

Жыл бұрын

I said basically the same thing to my family when they said it was unnecessary on the way home from the film. Definitely needed to sympathize with namor and kinda(?) understand his motives

@lex_rodriguez

Жыл бұрын

@@ramblinentertainment1922 Namor literally tells Shuri why he gave her a tour! Blows my mind how they thought it was unnecessary.

@NewWorldNewsNetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@ramblinentertainment1922 sympathizes with namor? I walked away thinking Thanos had far more noble and less villianious goals than namors whole lets conquer the world before anyone can colonize us shtick. Also, its super important for his people to remain unknown. Which is why despite getting the wakandans to find shuri, namors people need to reveal themselves for the intercept... nothing about namor made sense, and the fact that him, spiderman, shuri, riri, and virtually everyone has the same one liner quips for humor is really annoying.

@aaronlogue6281

Жыл бұрын

@@NewWorldNewsNetwork no one really had quips in this?

@johnnytee911

Жыл бұрын

@@NewWorldNewsNetwork what did namor quip

The acting Angela Bassett does here is the kind of raw and ferocious performance you rarely get in movies like this. She was amazing.

@leewright1

Жыл бұрын

I've always liked Angela Bassett, such a great actor (very underappreciated IMO) who should command the same admiration as Denzel Washington.

@RobVespa

Жыл бұрын

It's always a shame when someone gives an amazing performance existing on a plane well above the project's paygrade. Among other things, the performance itself often gets lost in the shuffle and no one recognizes it (or, if it's a genre film, is proactively ignored - AKA Hereditary's Toni Collette).

@donelsw6676

Жыл бұрын

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@BLNKSL8

Жыл бұрын

@@leewright1 she does in most black circles lol

@nsierra2297

Жыл бұрын

This really makes me want to see it. Marvel movies are so bland I’ve gone off them bar like, Spider man and venom. I’ll give it a go!

I thought the Killmonger cameo really hinted at him not really regretting his actions.

@Adamdidit

Жыл бұрын

Agreed though he did seem to have a greater appreciation for T'Challa and his aunt as well.

@mr.someoneudontkno698

Жыл бұрын

When he was dying he stuck to his guns. After all he learned about the fact that people who look like him/ancestors have the tech and stuff to uplift the *lost tribe* and being raised in whats hinted at as poverty into the military, OF COURSE he did not regret a thing. He was willing to do whatever it takes to have things corrected. He is an example of the extreme side of the anger in a people and what upbringing can do to a persons outlook. I am glad they kept him consistent based on what he was shown as on the OG.

Normally I would agree with your point on how righteous heroes always kill up until they get to the main villain but this was different. Namor was their King, sparring his life was also strategic because otherwise, they would have to continue warring with his people.

@distantignition

Жыл бұрын

Good point. I think it's so much of a trope these days that we recognize the trope and then fill in the blanks, even when they're already filled by something else.

@spartanB0292

Жыл бұрын

That was essentially the point that Mbaku brings up, but that silly flashback sequence Shuri has makes it seem more like her decision was made because she emphathized/sympathized with Namor. I thought all that sequence would have needed was for Shuri to see how many had died for her quest of revenge and realize eternal war was not the right path. But no, Namor the psycho had a mom too once.

@imlando93

Жыл бұрын

@@spartanB0292 exactly! ...although the flashback scene is a lot more complicated than you make it out to be, and can be interpreted in many different ways. I would have to disagree with you that part.

@DomoftheDoctor

Жыл бұрын

@@spartanB0292 A lot of that flashback was showing Talokan side-by-side with Wakanda, how their history and cultures are similar, that they are more like each other than the rest of the world, and it would be a tragedy to wipe each other out. For me, I think it's less empathy for him so much as acknowledgement of M'Baku's point: he was born into their world a god, and killing him would cause the mutual destruction of Talokan and Wakanda via endless war.

@anthonybogdan5502

Жыл бұрын

I also liked how namor now can use that kindness against them when it’s beneficial for them showing off a little of namor’s anti hero also if shuri killed namor 1. Wakanda is wiped off the map immediately or 2. The two biggest superpowers go to all out war leaving probably a good portion of the world destroyed. This was one of the very few times killing wasn’t the right answer

Corn of coblin cameo blew me away.

@swampman543211

Жыл бұрын

Now im exited to hear a corn of coblin cameo

I'm amazed by how many people went into the movie not knowing shuri would be the next black panther. she put her facepaint on the mask. She's in the middle of the poster.

@distantignition

Жыл бұрын

I think it's two things: 1) the MCU marketing division is just a bunch of trolls, so it could easily have been a misdirect, and 2) people really, really didn't want an anti-vaxxer (amongst the other stupid things she purports) to be thrust that much into the spotlight.

@Banestudent21

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. It’s painfully obvious

@daddy_1453

Жыл бұрын

Too bad the post credit scene undoes that. We get T"Challa resurrected in the form of his son.

@darrenpaxton8913

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was obvious, but i was hoping it would be someone else. Okoye is a much better decision for black panther

@MrEDMeaner

Жыл бұрын

This assumes that people looked at a poster.

Did you know that the idea for moving 'that DNA around' came from the Talokan's ability? That's because the herb they had moved around in the water, and did you know that the original name for the blue herb was 'Blue Harvest'? I don't know if you know this, but Blue Harvest was also the original working title for Star Wars.

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

Жыл бұрын

OHH I thought it was called TeleCom.... like Telecommunication I'm a fan of BattleTech so I just figured they were underwater TeleStar In my head they had secret deals to maintain and protect undersea cables and pipelines or whatever

@kevthepoet

Жыл бұрын

Totally had me there 🤣😭

@kevthepoet

Жыл бұрын

FACTS. Classic classy theatre level character acting.

@directorforplastic7929

Жыл бұрын

I love how blue harvest has just been ingrained into this community. Each time I hear a new one it always catches me off guard and I love it everytime

@BOYGOSGO

Жыл бұрын

That’s some good green trivia

I think that was pretty much the best possible Black Panther movie we could have gotten with the unfortunate death of Chadwick Boseman. Even though I think there were better contenders for the Black Panther mantle, the movie was thoroughly enjoyable

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

It was awful, but people would've complained if he was recast - this was overlong and a MESS. No Lady Dorma, no Attuma, pitiful

@nunneli10

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Didn't everyone including Chadwick want T'Challa recast? Don't think anyone would have complained if a decent actor was replaced.

@cupguin

Жыл бұрын

​@@nunneli10 no it would have been bizarre. These aren't strangers, the cast and some of the crew at least knew Chadwick. The audience would be left comparing a new actor with Chadwick which would have been lose lose. Also this was in part a celebration of the actor and what he brought to the character. Just here's a silent scroll to someone we cared about and lost and don't worry he's easily replaceable? There's no one right answer but shrugging off his death narratively had a lot of downsides.

@nunneli10

Жыл бұрын

@@cupguin They replaced Hulk and War Machine and if the rumours are true they are recasting General Ross don't really see why this would be different.

@carterito

Жыл бұрын

Or… they could’ve just recasted

I think the think that makes this "revenge is bad" arc unique to Shuri is that when she discovers for herself that her family is still watching over her from the Ancestral Plane, revenge for their "deaths" literally becomes useless, because they aren't gone.

The bridge fight scene was so good, it reminded me of Batman vs Bane due to having no music in the background, you only hear the impact of the punches

Wakanda Forever resonated me on such an emotional level. I lost my brother around Easter time this year due to medical issues, so I strongly related to Shuri’s character. That opening felt like a visceral punch to my gut. Even her conflict with her mom over tradition and the religious aspect, I’m atheist, and the loss of my brother pushed my mom to become more religious to cope. The film definitely came to close to home for both of us during it, but it felt good and oddly cathartic. The fact that a marvel movie of all things affected us so strongly is a testament to how good it is.

@distantignition

Жыл бұрын

I definitely understand the becoming "more religious to cope" thing. I say that thinking about relatives, but hell... last week, a friend of mine died, and I even found myself questioning atheism for the first time in 15 years (though that passed quickly, it reminded me that atheism is kind of a religion if you're unwilling to question it). Anyway, my heart goes out to you.

@skippykay599

Жыл бұрын

@@distantignition thank you for the sentiment! And yeah I was not expecting an interesting take on religion to come from a marvel movie of all things, but I feel it handled it really well!

@Cubelarooso

11 ай бұрын

@@distantignition It's unfortunate that the times when bad ideas become worse is also when it is least appropriate to confront them. "You're too sad for me to argue with" and such.

I really liked the claws biting into Namor in the final fight.

I like that they made Namor the classic prick he tends to be.

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

no, Namor looked like a background dancer for Village people. He was awful , and embarrassment for brown people - It was awful, and in no way as equal as the opening Black Panter- tonally are the Eternals - so it t sounds bad to AWFUL!!! - at least they got that part right. Tenoch was a much better actor on Narcos-Mexico.

@jay-ks1ex

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 an embarrassment for brown people??? you clearly have never lived in Mexico

@xicoxnicx

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 speak for yourself.

@cable7152

Жыл бұрын

@@xicoxnicx I'm surprised you could even understand the dribble that this person just spewed onto their keyboard. Lol

@Theblackout292

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 … but was it awful?

The director said in an interview they decided not to name what killed t'challa because that wasn't the focus of the film. It didn't matter what killed him because the film is about moving on and not letting the event stay with us.

I was not expecting to tear up in the first 2 minutes. Had to suck that tear right back in. Then the silent logo scroll with all Chadwick Boseman got me.

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

That sh*t Namor and idiotic Iron Heart got me. Going to take more than Mourn Porn to make a blockbuster EQUAL to the first Black Panther - it should've been recast and it was an embarrassment to black people AND brown people and FATHERS ,in particular . They just USED African motifs and culture and milked the man's death. PITIFUL on every level. And Sub-Mariner (Namor) was also bad - the actor wasn't but how he was represented. Coogler was likely FORCED to do this uneven LONG ass film. Good riddance - will not do nowhere near as good as the first.

@jlmurph2

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 lol you seem deeply hurt by this comic book movie

@cupguin

Жыл бұрын

He's abstract for the audience in a way his death wasn't for this cast, for his friends and family but it's still heartbreaking. He was such a talented actor and so young. I think the more abstract discussions around recasting T'Challa miss all of that. The opening, for me at least, wasn't about Chadwick's character dying it was about his death and I still find that tragic.

@kingMadnus

Жыл бұрын

The tears didn’t hit me until I saw the marvel logo and it showed that image of him laughing and hugging somebody.

@mider-spanman5577

Жыл бұрын

The silence really speaks volumes and hits quite deep. It's because you know you'll never see that person again nor will you hear their voice except in echoes from the past.

I loved Riri but I think her addition hurt the movie. It made the front end of the movie just drag a bit too much, and it took up time that should have gone to fleshing out Namor and his world better. Also, the final battle was a little too contrived, and felt disconnected a bit. I think there could have been a smoother transition from Namor’s attack that kills the queen to Shuri’s retaliation, and she needed to see that her people were about to die, to really have the realization she did. Otherwise, I loved it! Still in my top Teri of the MCU for sure, but I am a sucker for sentimentality and stories about grief!

The sound design was superb with all the Dora Milaje scenes 👍

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

They should've recast T'Challa. This was a disgrace to Boseman. They are funeral pimping.

3:17 You guys hit right on the spot. There were some major flaws with this movie. But that being said, as someone who has experienced a lot of loss over the past year I can agree this film hit a little close to home when addressing grief, which for me is a testament to the care and respect behind it

In the comics and animation films T'Challa (Black Panther) married Storm (X-men) they conceived a son named Azari T'Challa, Azari inherited the abilities of the heart shaped herb from his father along with mutant powers and abilities from his mother. Farther down the road Azari took on the mantle of Black Panther and became a member of the Next Avengers.

I mostly agree with your takes on this movie. The performances were great, the character design was really cool, it was a good exploration of grief and loss, it was a bit too long and overstuffed, they could have cut all of the Everett Ross storyline. I enjoyed it but I also am not in a hurry to see it again because it is a bit of a downer. I think the best part was the resolution of Shuri's storyline and her grief and anger. The scene at the end where she is just crying on the beach while burning T'Challa's ceremonial garments was one of the most powerful moments in the MCU.

I want to see this version of Namor fight the Fantastic 4

@HerooftheWild

Жыл бұрын

Reed is about to lose his wife

The beauty of Talocan is that it's almost an alternative history, where the Aztec/Mayan cultures and way of life continues underwater as if the Spanish didn't arrive. They went the other way from Wakanda and maintained a simple way of life wherever possible. The fact that the suit Shuri wears has a light but that everyone in the city seems to see fine without lights, suggests we don't see the city like they do, and only get glimpses of it. Until Namor shows us the palace and the artificial sun he created. So yes to humans who live on the surface watching youtube videos it probably does look like somewhere we wouldn't want to live, but that's kind of the point. It's their home, they're way of life and they are different. They're a primitive people, with a lot of valuable resources who a lot of countries would want to take, like the Spanish did to their ancestors.

I feel like we’re going to see Killmonger again, even if the afterlife is real. Bast is still a part of the Egyptian pantheon of gods, and Moon Knight proved that the afterlife isn’t quite as finite as it seems. They could definitely explain away his return through measure of the meddling in that series.

@mider-spanman5577

Жыл бұрын

Plus, we we are in The multiversal saga after all so anything is a possibility. They have already shown that there are multiple variants of each character.

@John-Doe-Yo

Жыл бұрын

After his death I thought they’d pull some multiverse stuff to make him the new black panther in this universe

@distantignition

Жыл бұрын

They will have to be very, very careful about the rules of resurrections, though, which has already caused a stir in the MCU. If they can bring back Moon Knight--who wasn't a worshiper of Khonshu or any diety in the ancient Egyptian pantheon--why couldn't they bring back Tony Stark, savior of the universe? I'm not sure Moon Knight was "completely dead," but Killmonger would definitely qualify.

@HolyTurtleOfDoom

Жыл бұрын

@@John-Doe-Yo I guess the problem is he will have to change his entire personality.

@John-Doe-Yo

Жыл бұрын

@@HolyTurtleOfDoom I’m still not caught up haven’t seen any show or movie since NWH. But I thought multiverse of madness could have introduced killmonger as a good guy to take T’Challas place, rather than his sister. So changing his personality wouldn’t even be a problem.

When it comes to Martin freeman's character, I think if his scenes weren't in the film then people would be asking why wakanda didn't try to tell anyone in America that it wasn't them when they have connections made in the first film.

id love to see shuri as the black panther and m'baku in a gorilla inspired suit. like they said a huge suit

Corn of Coblin riding Little James into battle to the sound of James and Maso reviewing the legendary cinematic masterpiece Snake Eyes in front of a live studio audience made me punch the air shouting "now this is podracing!" Did I bingo?

What an early morning drop for this review.

Just seen this. These movies are my escapism from life ordinarily. I lost my brother a couple of months ago and having not twigged about the connection at all until the end, those clips at the end with her looking back, it smashed me to bits 😂.

The atlantians have a healing factor, when they fought on the boat there were only Wakandan deaths which makes it super weird that they were just ok with peace between them when just their side had losses

I honestly loved the movie. I'll admit I did like the first one a bit more, but the theme for this movie hits me hard. And the actor for Namor was phenomenal, and as a Hispanic guy I really loved the Talokan people and their design and culture.

been waiting for this, feel like you guys haven't posted much in the last few months, miss mason :(

The first 3 quarters of the film were like a play I thought. I really enjoyed Shuri and Namor's conversation in the underwater cave. Namor, in general, I thought was great. The whole situation could have been resolved if Shuri had used her earings to call home or send some sort of signal to say she was safe. The finale just made me think of power rangers, it was on that level of getting a bit silly. Some of the blue screen was really bad, they definitely would have benefited from using the volume. I do think most of the emotion for the film comes from Chadwick having passed in real life. I was very emotional at several points. It's an exploration of grief and I don't think that's necessarily what people expect from the mcu. Overall, I think they did the best they could have given the circumstances.

I never explained how they could survive being speared then come back to life again.

Wow, My two favorite Aussies are back!

If you see someone with wings on their ankles would you not say "holy shit look the wings on his ankles"? I feel like that would be literally the first thing I said. So then saying that out loud doesn't sound that far-fetched to me.

The army being as big as the number of blades of grass must have hinted towards his ability to control sea creatures not that there were that many people he commanded. But they never went down that road maybe they'll save that for the sequel I just don't want BP1 Rhino vibes.

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

Ugh - WHAT SEQUEL .. ? Jesus, I wanted to walk out. Sh*t has been downhill since Phase 3.

@andrewlewis2123

Жыл бұрын

I agree with James (or Maseau?), I think Namor was just flat-out lying about that bit honestly. And his ending scene where he tells his advisor “Don’t worry, we’ve got Wakanda right where we want ‘em”, I saw that as him just trying to spin it for his people so they don’t think he truly lost. After all, he is a god to them, and it seems he thinks of himself that way, too. Can’t afford to let his image falter, ya know? I think he’s just very charismatic and intimidating, but I don’t buy that he has an army to rival that of any surface nation after only 500 years of building a civilization in unfamiliar territory (i.e. underwater).

@larssonk22

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewlewis2123 fair point he has been living in his own bubble for so long.

@alexandresoundsVIDEO

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 I commend you for replying to every single comment with the same negative whining, it's astounding lmao

@HolyTurtleOfDoom

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Bro you don't need to comment on everyone's comments saying how much you hate it lol

M'Baku doesn't worship Bast, the panther God, and cannot become Black Panther... in the comics, he's man ape, but obviously they won't use that name in the movies. However, he does seem to be the new King of Wakanda and Shuri is the Panther. Shuri is shown rejecting her role in leading when asking to be called Panther instead of Princess or Queen later in the movie.

@aceven2raa

Жыл бұрын

I guess that, in the movies, he's a dog man? Though I feel like there was a reference to the ape/gorilla stuff in this film, but I can't remember

@Leezy810

Жыл бұрын

@@aceven2raa there is. He has a gorilla on his chest piece

@myself2noone

Жыл бұрын

The name man Ape is a little redundant. Like saying desk chair chair. The first one is already part of the second category. Just say one or the other.

I think the “son named T’challa” thing is so dumb. I hate when stuff like this pushes that characters don’t matter, names do. I would be much more positive on it if it didn’t feel like they were trying to trick me into thinking it’s the same character

@Banestudent21

Жыл бұрын

The reason they did it is to recast the character, by NOT recasting. Expect that child to be aged up down the line so Marvel can go “Look it’s T’CHALLA! The Black Panther”

@KobytheHero

Жыл бұрын

@@Banestudent21 that is more or less what I said, yeah

The Midnight Angel suits are DIRECTLY from the comics. Talokan looks INTENTIONALLY dull. Namor describes there living there as a burden. They're hiding but they aren't enjoying living in those caves. Serves to contrast them to Wakanda

@ProtestTheIndie

Жыл бұрын

I strongly disagree with you on Talokan. During Shuri's tour she keeps stressing how beautiful it is, and Namor keeps saying stuff like 'Now you see what I have built you understand' etc. All that dialogue implies that what we're witnessing should be beautiful, but it just isn't. Or maybe it is, but it's so poorly lit that I couldn't tell. His motivation is only defending his home, but I'm just thinking 'your home looks shit'. Also, there's no benefit to contrasting Talokan with Wakanda. The whole point that Namor is trying to make (and Shuri agrees with) is that Talokan and Wakanda are the same - beautiful ancient civilisations built on vibranium that the outside world wants to tear down.

@spideylover4105

Жыл бұрын

I didn't get that vibe at all

@ProtestTheIndie

Жыл бұрын

@@spideylover4105 I don't know what to tell you, the dialogue spells it out fairly clearly.

@mr.someoneudontkno698

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense because he literally commentated on how gorgeous Wakanda was as well as the air.

@prixswrld

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.someoneudontkno698 exactly. Line was intentionally hinting at a sort of jealousy. They're under water to escape genocide not for fun.

M'Baku (I'm not sure if that's how you spell it) has been my favorite character out of these movies and I would love to see more of him. Definetly one of my favorite current MCU characters.

Would miss out on a great opportunity of showing to T'challa Jr growing up to become the One of the most intelligent honorable leaders. Imagine a Damien. Wayne story but in The MCU

Can you guys make a video of the underwater "tour" of Talokan, but replace the music with Under the Sea from The Little Mermaid? That popped in my head during the movie and I couldn't stop holding in my laugh.

Probably one of the Best of this phase, but it's clear that as many of this it had a lot of problems in production tho this time is understandable

Never thought I'd get a Red Dwarf reference in a Black Panther video, but smeggin' hell, I'm here for it.

Am I the only one who loves the Jabari chants? Maafa!!! The response is also great!

I understand people being confused why other people didn’t become black Panther. It’s usually passed down through the royal family unless they do the battle thing and then it gets transferred. I think it was just crunch time and they couldn’t do it just like how when their father died T’Chala was the black Panther then fought kilmonger.

I knew going in that I was going to enjoy this movie, I love Black Panther and Chadwick Bosemen, of course, but it was also going to hit on a deeper level for me emotionally. My wife and I Iost our son in September to a rare and incurable Leukodystrophy, so the opening scene hooked me and nearly made me cry right away, especially the moment of silence for Chadwick through the Marvel logo with the images of him. From there, I was all the way invested. Yeah, there were plenty of slow parts throughout, and the middle did drag just a bit, but between Angela Bassett, Letitia Wright, Tenoch Huerta, and so many others, the movie was carried by the tremendous cast and their performances. The only element that didn't surpass the original, for me, couldn't be recreated sadly. Chadwick's presence was so missed in this movie, man. Other than that, we had a great time.

I feel like they jumped the final fight scenes between the wakandan-talokanil conflict and black panther vs namor fight too quickly and often. It would have been better if they had focused more on the latter fight scene

T'Challa and storm have a kid in the comics now and he's magically aged up, he has Storm's powers and the Panther powers as well

I presume The infinite army is probably the whole of the ocean he commands, but still it makes me think of that family guy scene. Were there is a woman getting attacked on the beach and he is like oh yeh, if you was over here you wouldn’t be doing that

my biggest takeaway from this video is that Australians call water balloons "water bombs"

"Somehow the Infinity Stones returned."

was this movie super dark colorwise? or that was just my cinema? i coudnt see anything in half movie

LOVED the Throne Room scene with Ramonda & Okoye, gave me chills! Give me the Dora Milaje D+ Show with Ayo, Aneka & Okoye getting more screen time! There was some wider MCU world-building that felt like studio notes to Coogler that would've made the movie tighter if it was left out! Given that they were up against Namor/Talokans, would've loved to have seen more of The River Tribe's involvement in the fight! The Midnight Angels armour stuff was primarily there for the Easter Egg hunters/New Rockstars crowd - a case of not every comic book idea translates well to screen! Bridge fight was excellent, just like the grounded visceral waterfall fight between Killmonger & T'Challa in the first movie, but both movies have to do the big traditional MCU 3rd act instead of finding a way to subvert it or do more of the grounded visceral fights from earlier in each movie! First BP movie would still have made $1.2bn without China & Russia, and BPWF could make $340m less than the first movie and still clear a billion like Jurassic World Dominion narrowly did! Its '95%' RT Audience Score (3rd highest in the MCU), 'A' CinemaScore & '93%' PostTrak Score suggests ppl are loving it and will have longer legs than both MoM and L&T! Phase 4 was simply about dealing with the ramifications of Endgame & introducing new characters that will come together in Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars! Ppl who went into Phase 4 expecting big team-ups at the end of it should've had tempered expectations! RIP Chadwick Boseman & Kevin Conroy - THE BATMAN to an entire generation!

Midnight Angel suits are a DIRECT adaptation from the comics. It's just Aneka and Ayo that wear them , not Aneka & Okoye as it is in the film.

the silence with the marvel opening ...

They did that in the comics with Nick Fury... he had a secret son also name Nick (who was Black, tho') and who also had the same injuries for reasons?

Yes. This is the review I was waiting for. Nobody does it better than you guys.

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

Film was horrible. a disgrace to Boseman - and they MISUSED and pimped African culture selling a STEREOTYPE (no black men no protectors and an idiotic M'Baku who was the only male with any backbone,) then that overly emotional ass Namor ... to their credit they did have film underwater, scenes.

@stevenfraser81

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 OH NO! EMOTIONS AND GIRLS! ICKY!

@chaos_wtch7437

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 we get it, you only read grade 4 books on African culture and it’s totally normal for you to perceive stories on that level

@RJ-Ramen

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 black women holding it down!! No!!!! How can this be?!

@CodeAZ2816

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 go back to Critical Drinker and never come back

Infinity Wars remake: the glove is even glovier. You guys go from immaculate insight to wtf banter without breaking a sweat. 10/10 new fan big fan.

My favorite part of this review is when you said you didn't want to say who the new Black Panther was because you were in non-spoiler section, and then you went ahead and didn't (really) spoil it in the spoiler section either. I had to piece together with context clues for most of the review as to who the new Black Panther was.

@Indigo_Boi757

Жыл бұрын

orrrr you could’ve just watched the movie….? LOL IJS 😜😂

@ryanrod6990

Жыл бұрын

It's.... it's in the trailer my dude.

26:05 - I actually thought that both the inclusion of Riri and Okoye's new suit were a pretty good adaptation/tribute from the IronHeart Comics where there is a very similar teamup introduced, which also serves as the first team up between Riri and Shuri. It's not an identical retelling of that story by any means, but it seems that was the inspiration and all in all I thought they adapted it to screen pretty well.

"This is gonna be a good year for Johnathan Majors" lol

I feel the way they handled Shuri and her disbelief of the afterlife was a bit odd. I kept expecting her to be in a bind and then she has visions or he mind goes somewhere familiar where she sees a Panther which is clearly supposed to be T'Challa in another form. They never do. That scene by the River with her mother was there purely to facilitate them meeting Naymor, that's it. Such a wasted opportunity.

@Indigo_Boi757

Жыл бұрын

As the resident scientist/inventor/nerd in the family and of the Wakandan characters, it kinda makes perfect sense that she’d be the skeptic about anything spiritual and mystical. It’s the polar opposite of her character and beliefs. But I will agree that a scene with a wild panther as a representation of T’Challa’s soul would’ve been awesome. Even if had been in the jungle and not necessarily in the Ancestral Plain.

@michaelredford5389

Жыл бұрын

@@Indigo_Boi757 I understand why she is sceptical..... it's that the possible plot point is abandoned almost before it begins.

So, Namor attacks the Queen he flies up to where she is standing in the throne room dozens of storeys high above the city. Then, somehow, when he blows up the windows with water bombs she falls into a deep body of water?!?!?!?!? Where was this, under the thronw room all this time suspended dozens of storey's above the city ground level? Makes no sense...

Is there an infinite army in regard to Namor controlling all creatures in the ocean?

The ancestral plane is definitely real, in Moon Knight there's a line of dialogue about the ancestral plane being next to the field of reeds

I learned a lot from this movie, the main thing was that I am no longer watching trailers, because every badass moment with Namor was stuff I already saw, and that sucks. Great film, really missed Chadwick's presence, but everyone really stepped up and tried to fill the void.

Namor was definitely one of the most compelling MCU antagonists we’ve had in a long time. Hope he shows up again soon, Tenoch really knocked it out of the park

@larssonk22

Жыл бұрын

Felt they kinda swept over his reasoning too quickly, I would have liked to see more time spent on his fight against colonists, hatered of the surface and less time on the ReyRey macguffin

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

No he didn't He looked like a Village People background dancer. He was overly emotional and mentioned his goddamn mother all the time. Namor is the AVENGING SON. Prince of Atlantis - this was AWFUL.

@uwaishafizal

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 cry

@deucezulu_22

Жыл бұрын

​@@larssonk22 We get to see his reasons through Wakanda, which he did not want for his people. RiRi was fine, it wasn't like the show was solely focused on her.

@cupguin

Жыл бұрын

It was so well done. It's this Golden Age character who we want to walk this impossible tightrope inside the MCU and also it's coming after Aquaman. For all that Namor was first in audiences minds Aquaman had the first movie and was far more famous over the years, they can't just say he's a fish person and move on. And it's so good. We get he's this centuries old ruler who loves his people and has this beautiful city to protect and we know from Wakanda the parallels that would be facing them. It's all right there and instead of holding back both civilizations are turned into monarchies willing to do horrible? terrible? decisive? things to protect their people at all costs. And he's just all Namor forced to deal with the surface world for the first time and willing to burn it all because he's Namor. I found that deeply enjoyable since we are missing him interacting with humans during WWII in this universe. In another movie this would be so much less epic. The urge to just have them escaping evil mercenaries and have them get rescued by Wakandan so Namor can just be a clear cut villain would have been so easy. Or like 90s superhero movies turn him into a vague like businessman who's aims are evil because he's evil. Instead he's got some points and he's not entirely wrong. He just doesn't care about anyone outside his own people because Namor. Also I want him so badly to be on an Avengers team now or X-Men movie. Also someone needs to get that man a pizza.

Thank you for saying the underwater city was sad and gloomy. I was beginning to think I saw a different movie than the other critics.

@scottking8189

Жыл бұрын

And the scene where they’re introducing it with that music felt very weird lmao

@forgotmyrealname11

Жыл бұрын

That makes sense though right? !!!Spoilers!!! Namor’s first dialogue in the movie was how jealous he was of Wakanda for never being forced to leave their homeland. He talks about how pristine their water, air, and land was. One of his personally stated greatest achievements was building an artificial sun for his people so they can be reminded of the surface.

@beerussama8128

Жыл бұрын

Bruh y’all wanted neon lights and colorful rocks wtf y’all ever seen underwater caverns?

@BardWannabe

Жыл бұрын

@@beerussama8128 No, not neon, but it would have been nice to see some indication (other than the underwater sun) that this is a civilization that has had 500 years to develop unique architecture and art, and incorporate the sea into their civilization.

God I love it when Red Dwarf comes up lol

My showing had 3 Jonathon Majors trailers. Quantum mania, Greed, and Devotion. Busy guy.

Always enjoy these Red Dwarf analyses. Keep it up.

Box office numbers mean jack.... I went to watch this yesterday and almost every seat was taken.... When i got there it was only alf full.

You’ve changed the title so much 😂😂😂 same tho

I still wish they recast for black panther tbh. I imagine they are going to do something with his son anyway and having the same name they may as well have recast

@jhinwick5251

Жыл бұрын

Probably be in 7-10 years, and get him with a young Storm

Love the podcast but next time, for a review, maybe consider having a question that you want to answer by the end of the conversation so that way the whole discussion can be tied together as this one sort of got lost on the way. Maybe if you'd asked "does this movie maintain the legacy of Chadwick boseman?" at the start then given an answer at the end, it would be nice and neat. It worked really well for your Rise of Skywalker review and that's what got me to subscribe and listen to the pod.

Ooh, we've got some Red Dwarf fans over here!

I don’t like when the movies don’t follow the comics exactly, except when I do like changes. But unless I like certain changes, I don’t like changes from the source material.

@fattestnuts20

Жыл бұрын

No shit

I liked most of it except some of the new suits and it could have 20 minutes cut from the movie. I hope M Baku becomes the king

I got a notification that this was posted 3 days ago. Weeeeeeirdsies.

I thought this movie was great, obviously Angela Bassett is amazing, but this might be the best marvel movie visually, I mean it’s actually so beautiful every scene every moment the slow mo shots are so gorgeous, it’s just beautiful it really is, and I cried which doesn’t in movies often for me. And it’s just great, I didn’t have problems with the pacing or length honestly it didn’t feel too long to me, and the post credit scene was just, I mean there’s no words for that Edit: I forgot to mention I fucking love Namor, a character I had negative interest in prior to this movie and I loved him, loved the performance, the characterization, he was just so cool and I thoroughly enjoyed every moment he was on screen

I was wondering, with Shuri being stabbed in the "lower abdomen" whether she won't be able to have kids in the future and therefore it's set up that T'Challa's son will be the future black panther?

“It WaS aMbigUoUs whO waS in tHe SUit” Are you being serious? It was obviously Shuri 😂 what kind of leap are you making to think that it could have been M’Baku. Cmon man

I feel like that whole Re Re Can’t Take The Suit With Her Is BS. Because They Let Bucky Take The Arm With Him.

@xenoborg007

Жыл бұрын

Bucky is like the deadliest assassin on earth, no earth person is stealing his arm (and space people couldn't give a crap about vibraniums properties) or killing him for it.

@Etru17

Жыл бұрын

@@xenoborg007 how did rocket get it then?

Loved Namor, more so Tenoch Huerta’s performance and how he was debuted but agree, the authenticity of Chadwick Boseman’s benignity was attempted to be equaled but came well short 🖤❤️🧡💛 still enjoyed it a lot.

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

Was a punk. It was slow, it was missing Chadwick Boseman - in no way is he replaced and that idiotic Iron Heart looked like a power ranger. Namor was not bad ass, he was over emotional .. but to the credit the Black panther did it .. these guys are SHILLING. - it was ok .. in some instances. it was just funeral pimping.

@jrob4795

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 "funeral pimping" yeah... basically. Very shameful.

My friend said it best: there was a clear skeletal structure from the original script before Chadwick Boseman’s passing that later had T’Challa’s passing shoved into it. The movie is constantly juggling these two plots when it should have just focused on one. I’ll have to see it again before I can make a more concrete opinion, but as of right now I enjoyed it even with its flaws.

Theory: Dr Graham (Lake Bell) will return as Stingray, She will re-introduce herself through Iron heart. Looking for answers about what happened during the attack. Theory 2: The new Black Panther will be in Young Avengers therefor you don't have to age him up as the character will be there all Naruto style.

Shuri goes through the same charcater Arc as tchalla in civil war. With The Way They're Setting Up Tchalla Jr We Could Still See Him Marry Storm From The X Men And See Their Child. I Commented This Before Hearing Him Saying It In The Video, This Was My Intial Thoughts Walkin Out The Theater.

@SuperOmnicronsj44

Жыл бұрын

Shuri is not and will never be Black Panther - the film kind of insults black men as they are made to look idiotic - she could've at least WORKED OUT - as the other actors who play SUPERHEROES DO. it was boring overlong and they pimped Chadwick Boseman's death.

@christianphrenger7902

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Why Does She Need Muscles Taking A Magic Plant To Get Her Powers? Also the Actress Really Didn't Have The Time Since This Movie Still Started Shooting And Everything Shortly After His Death.

@deucezulu_22

Жыл бұрын

​@@SuperOmnicronsj44 You go around raging about Namor because of the comics, but turn around and say that Shuri shouldn't be Black Panther as she was in the comics.... Hypocrite much....

@cupguin

Жыл бұрын

​@@christianphrenger7902 it's so interesting this weird massive double standard every single female superpowered hero gets in the MCU. Jen's too good at being a Hulk, unlike Bruce who used his background in science to instantly win every single fight he was ever in and escape and evade the military which he can do because reasons? Steve goes from but being able to throw a punch to leading a his own squad in WWII after one time knocking over a flag pole because that's the exact same thing as being flawlessly good the first time you see combat. Tony Stark doesn't just invent a whole new game changing weapon in a cave he also physically builds it, programs it and then uses it to escape something no one else on the planet except one person can come close to even with all the resources they need at their disposal. Also he's a better pilot than highly trained military pilots and a race car driver because those are easy skills to master. Just on and on, not even a montage, they're just perfect at every new skill they attempt and that's utterly fine. Or we just assume a character like Clint was trained so it's fine no need to go into details, or despite the character we see from Thor in the first movie he was super focused on training trust us. Then we get a character like Kate or Riri and nope. Despite an actual explanation for how they've developed their skills and then getting help in improving on screen it's unbelievable to think that women can get good at things even if they work at it. Unless there was some concerted pushback during phase 1 I just can't remember about the superpowered characters being too unbelievable because of how ridiculously OP they all are there's no conceivable reason why people are honestly annoyed out of nowhere coincidentally just when the characters are women. Frankly the only contemporary pushback I remember was how dare they cast Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury.

@dexterthielhelm4342

Жыл бұрын

@cupguin it’s all in the writing of the characters for me. Shuri works because she clearly has gone through the ringer. She lost everything. Jen/she hulk wasn’t compelling because what hardships did she face besides just being a woman? Bruce lost 5 years of his life to the hulk and has a canonical attempted suicide. Steve lost everyone he knew when he went into the ice. Tony’s whole journey is about learning to be the one to lay down on the wire, and did a full 180 from the first time we saw him. I don’t see a problem with riri because, like when Hawkeye was first introduced, she wasn’t really developed much as a character. My main problem with marvel is how unreliable the writing has been. You have movies like Wakanda forever, with exceptional writing, then have things like she hulk or Thor 4, which granted were different tones, but still had writing that felt like a first draft.

I really enjoyed the movie and had about the same complaints as you guys. Probably something like an 8 out of 10, good but could have been better. It felt long, longer than it was, and the first half especially felt pretty poorly paced. Most of the beginning felt like it was going scene to scene rather than a naturally flowing story. I really enjoyed Namor, felt like he made more sense than most villains. A lot of folks have complained about him but to me he seemed like exactly like an isolationist nations leader who knows other nations are encroaching and is running out of options to prevent it. Think of like Japan in 1853 when it was forced to stop its isolationist ways. There was an interesting story going on where Wakanda is in the same boat, the only difference is they haven't seen what Namor has, they did not experience what he did in his childhood. He knows the result of expansion, and of encroachment from other nations, he knows it results in death and he wan't to protect his people. It would be very interesting if they expand upon this in future movies but I doubt that will be the case. Either way, I enjoyed the movie, I could see it again, just wish they had some voiceover from Chadwick Boseman, glad they didn't include his force ghost or something like that though.

35:06 - That Weezer video was on the Win 95 CD. Not Encarta. :p

I think they were going to replace Chadwick Boseman Black Panther with Shuri inevitably, it would have been another two or three movies down the line though.

I prefer talokan’s design as opposed to atlantis

It's not implied that M'Baku will be the Black Panther. It's made pretty clear that Shuri will continue in that role. The Monarchy and the Panther are separate institutions.

@mrsundaymovies

Жыл бұрын

Except he turned up at the end to challenge somebody for the role as the new ruler

@darynvoss7883

Жыл бұрын

@@mrsundaymovies right. To be monarch. Not Panther.

@mrsundaymovies

Жыл бұрын

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@darynvoss7883

Жыл бұрын

@@mrsundaymovies dude ... he's saying what I'm saying. M'Baku is king of Wakanda. He's not ... the Black ... Panther ...

@mrsundaymovies

Жыл бұрын

Oh sorry I completely misread what you first said. Yeah he might not be BP, though the ruler usually is (with some exception like early T’Challa). Cheers mate!

"I don't ever want to see this movie again" Best movie ever.

The costumes were so weird, there were dudes on the top of the gates that looked like thunderbirds

Lemme guess , the working title for this movie was Blue Harvest

@immaleaf4964

Жыл бұрын

only during tax season

@alejandronopasanada5302

Жыл бұрын

It was black harvest you racist. Submit your real name and address for cancelling.

FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES IT WAS SOOOOOO LONG

Regarding Talokan: The same set designer worked on Talokan as worked on Wakanda, and they had actual Mesoamerican experts as consultants to teach them what is correct. Considering it's not Atlantis but Talokan now, I'm not what you would have expected, but if you were looking for something more like Aquaman, that wouldn't have fit. No shade to Aquaman, but that'd have been cartoonish by comparison, as BP: WF is a more serious, more grounded (such as it is) film. It looked like it should have looked, considering the background. Remember, Namor said that they weren't going to move Talokan AGAIN, so take that into consideration as well. Regarding the warning about emotions: People who watched the trailers knew/know what they were/are getting into. I must have watched 30 or so different trailer reactions, and most people were tapped in to the emotions they were going to be experiencing in the film and accepted them off top. The film's tone not depressing or mean-spirited, it's easy to process those emotions, and for people dealing with loss, it can maybe encourage some to still love and remember but accept what their new reality is. You can take what you need from it. Personally, it's been very therapeutic.

Quick explanation for the water ppl being hard to kill, the reason they can survive down there is cuz of that plant. so effectively its an entire nation of "black panthers". Only one person in wakanda takes their plant. So i believe thats why during the bridge fight those ppl didn't die. 🤷🏾‍♂️

i have no idea how but i would love to see michael b jordan back as a hero in the black panther suit. i would also settle for Winston Duke as black panther. no offense to Letitia Wright but i dont see her as a lead role in this series.