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@StephanieMarree

5 жыл бұрын

To the host: I love your shows but you have a habit of OFTEN interrupting your guests. Especially Dr. Wright! I lost count once during one of your full shows where I put a check every time you interrupted him mid-sentence. PLEASE, please consider looking at this habit and changing it. Your already-great show will be even better for it.

@alvarovargasbang-wutang8461

5 жыл бұрын

For being two people on a podcast trying to reach thousands if not millions of people please do a better job on representing Jordan Peterson or having a guest who has an opinion on him. I can tell you guys are not right-wingers Republicans at best Central if not left centered. Who has brainwashed you guys into thinking anything Jordan Peterson has to say is wrong. Name the specific argument he poses and then meticulously break it down. Because that is what he would do with you guys

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

@Alvaro Vargas bang-wutang What on Earth are you talking about? N.T. Wright is a theologian and the world’s leading Biblical scholar. He wasn’t on this program, merely to give his opinion on Jordan Peterson. He was there to discuss many things - largely, Biblically-centered - plus answer some queations; this being one of many. How would N.T. Wright or the host be Republicans? They’re British! N.T. Wright is very conservative and I imagine the host is, as well. What bearing that has on what they have to say, I don’t know. Where did either of them state that anything Jordan Peterson believes or says is wrong? You’re attacking a straw man.

@bonnie43uk

5 жыл бұрын

@@MojoPin1983 "The worlds leading Biblical scholar" ? I was unaware there was a list, I do know there are some excellent atheist Biblical scholars, but as for claiming they were the 'top of their tree' in that subject, surely that's a very subjective thing. I don't doubt for one minute that Tom Wright knows his Bible, we can both agree on that :-)

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

He is often cited as such; certainly of the New Testament, anyway. He has written more extensively on the subject than anyone.

I've found both NT Wright and Jordan Peterson very helpful. I've read books by both and listened to countless hours of lectures on KZread from both. Would love to see them in conversation!

@johnjacob5990

5 жыл бұрын

Peterson lied about Bill 16, It passed and he's not in the gulag, he's a huckster.

@Hellyers

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnjacob5990 that's quite a leap. He didn't lie about it. He and others (Gad Saad included) raised a valid and necessary point. Prohibition of certain speech is one thing... but mandating speech is very different. Bill C16 is nothing to be proud of.

@AndrewLouisOstrom

5 жыл бұрын

Hellyers the question is why did they mandate it? What were they hoping to achieve?

@dccrazy527

5 жыл бұрын

John Jacob He said if he was convicted for his speech he wouldn’t pay the fine, he would defend his innocence, and ultimately he would go on a hunger strike if imprisoned. They haven’t gone after him because he would expose the whole thing.

@iain5615

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnjacob5990 people have been censured and restricted by Bill 16. If he were just an unknown professor at a university stating what he does he would have found himself running foul and being at least reprimanded for his positions. He is one of the few who can say what he likes because taking him down would create too much animosity to the Canadian government. As such people snipe and hope he himself will trip himself up.

I'd love to see a conversation between Peterson and Wright. I'm not sure it would "answer" anything per se, but I'm sure it'd be an enjoyable ride.

@macrofuture

Жыл бұрын

did this ever happen?

NT Wright was spot on with his analysis of Jordan Peterson. Excellent summary.

Two years later and I would still love to hear Wright and Peterson in discussion more than any other two public intellectuals. Please make it happen!

I would LOVE to see a conversation with N.T. Wright and Jordan Peterson about the resurrection of Christ!

@mikewagner1614

5 жыл бұрын

Ntz view on THE resurrection is spot on....... . Nothing to fuck with(wu tang voice) peace friend......

Finally! So far, I haven't heard anything from Christian intellectuals about JBP. Thanks for this!

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

To be fair, William Lane Craig did speak with Jordan Peterson last year, very briefly. I have been waiting to hear what Wright thinks of Peterson, though, for the last couple of years.

@bonnie43uk

5 жыл бұрын

@@MojoPin1983 Does William Lane Craig still have debates with prominent atheists?, I've not seen anything new by him recently here on KZread.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

He might. I am not quite sure.

@CziffraNum

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Edward check out Bishop Robert Barron. He has commented on JBP

@michaelosborne3414

5 жыл бұрын

Andrew Wilson Haas blogged about him

I really do hope that, if Dr. Peterson is still able to go to Cambridge somehow, he and Dr. Wright get the opportunity to sit down and converse. I think it’s be a real treat to listen to.

Yes please to a conversation between Wright and Peterson!!

Ever since I started listening to Peterson two years ago I have wanted to see him in conversation with NT Wright. Pleeeease make it happen.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

I second that sentiment, exactly.

@stancanner

10 ай бұрын

I third it

A discussion between Tom Wright and Jordan Peterson would be magical. Can we make that happen?!

@keokowalczyk3408

Жыл бұрын

Yes

Thanks NT for even handed appraisal.

What an absolute delight it would be to hear NT Wright discuss some topics with Jordan Peterson. Make it happen!

I'd love to just sit in, listen, and occasionally ask questions during a JP-NTW conversation..

I've been waiting for an NT Wrigt - Peterson conversation for a long time now. If I recall correctly, Dr. Peterson once mentioned that he was reading one of NT Wright's books. I hope they meet.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

Where did you hear/read about Peterson reading one of N.T. Wright’s books? I would be interested to know if this is true and which book(s), specifically, he has read. Wright’s, Christian Origins and the Question of God series would be very beneficial to Peterson.

gotta love and respect this guy (nt wright).

I think that NT Wright needs to read Maps of Meaning and listen to his Biblical Series - then his views would be really interesting.

@mikewagner1614

5 жыл бұрын

Granted I know you not, but if you are to give advise to NT Wright you best get your accolades up(Kobe voice)... peace Patricia

@patriciahorgan2584

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikewagner1614 I was not speaking generally about NT - I was speaking about his having anything really interesting to say about JP. As I have a degree in theology myself - that does have some real thought behind it. Jordan Peterson's first lecture in his Biblical Series has nearly 4 million views, with many comments from people who say that they were atheists but now have much more respect for The Bible, and even comments saying some have actually converted or returned to Faith. I think that NT Wright's reading of 'The 12 Rules for Life', as his basis for understand JP, does not, and will not, make particularly interesting conversation - but his views on The Biblical Series might then be genuinely interesting.

@shlomorabenovets4709

5 жыл бұрын

IMHO Peterson who I believe is a cultural prophet approaches scripture from a allegorical perspective from which he derives archetypal figures from which to teach various common sense principles. I enjoy that approach as long as I am not trying to any sort of exegetical fleshing out of the biblical narratives

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

@@shlomorabenovets4709 good take. Yes that's true, and there's space for that. But like the OP I'd love his nuanced take on a deep dive of Maps of Meaning, as JP I open to the transcendent, but often settles for pretty evolutionary or pragmatic appeals to mystery when dealing with the supernatural. It's healthier than simply hand waving it away like naturalists do, but yet that's what I'd like to see dialogue on. But IMHO I think JP with resist over speculating on the substance of the supernatural, or miracles, or the resurrection as history. His cultural power is in explaining these things as archetypes for meaning for human behavior and morality, not getting into the details of whether they happened or not. I think he'd never inclined to say he's not leaning in the direction of it literally happened, but I've seen evidence that he's open enough since he's not overly incredulous.

@shlomorabenovets4709

5 жыл бұрын

@@ravissary79 I've heard JP say that his work is from a scientific point of view. As a scientist I'm sure he would not care one way or another since it cannot be empirically tested. But then again can Macro Evolution be empirically tested? I think not.

It would be interesting to see a conversation between Wright and Peterson.

Two of my favorite people! I would LOVE to see them have a conversation...

I love that as they're having this very mature discussion of topics the refreshments on the table are jaffa cakes and apple juice XD Love the podcast, keep it going :D

I love JP and NT. What a prolific combination.

I have read both Prof Wright and Prof Jordan, I think I'm always gonna require others input, since I ask God for wisdom and He sends me a reminder that humility comes after you have been through the test, and humiliation. It isn't difficult to say to those who choose an alternative lifestyle. God loves you, satan hates you! But then before Jesus and His Word, be came the reason why, I just wanted to die, I used to think, How does anyone bring a child into this world? What is the point of 'Healthy Body, Healthy Mind?' But reading the Bible for myself awakened me to the hope of sound mentality. 35 yrs since that commitment it is a reality, not that I'm the only one who knows that complete brokenness is not pleasant, but my ego needs no inspiration, it needed salvation. I think I too have the mind of Christ, Some one recently commented that they didn't gamble. (the Grand National is pending) I said, You gamble everyday, this might be your last! Even so Come Lord Jesus.

NT is right here. Peterson has a lot of great points but his indirect, rambling style seems more like a lecture transcript than a book.

@CollyCollz

5 жыл бұрын

It's not indirect because if you listen properly and follow, it all links together, and he explains it fully rather than give a diluted explanation

@peters8826

5 жыл бұрын

Collins Lesulie Ok well I'll have to give it another go then. Thanks for the tip

@azzag2414

5 жыл бұрын

I love it, it seems to come out as his thought process

@papercut7141

5 жыл бұрын

For me it's more of a stylistic preference than anything, if you like things really rigidly systematic you won't like it or really anything else he does lol

@scholarlyrunner

5 жыл бұрын

He's a university professor so that style is not surprising.

Comments regarding JB Peterson and Cambridge University?

Dr Peterson IS a rambler! haha he's so brilliant though - bringing multiple disciplines of knowledge together and making it relevant and accessible to modern young men (but also to everyone)

@michaelbrickley2443

2 жыл бұрын

Amen…I pray he comes to a real, deep faith. I believe he’s on the cusp. And Tom Wright calling him rambling…well, NT Wright is one of the genius minds of modernity. Shalom

I would enjoy this. I would also love Tom Holland and Jordan Peterson. They both seem to have come to the same reluctant conclusions about Christianity’s value to western civilization.

Not platforming speakers is *not* censorship. Too many avoid the difference between push and pull communications. Blocking someone's youtube channel on a college campus would be censorship. When students protest a speaker presenting on their campus, the suggestion is that those ideas are not welcome. The reality is that students have already checked out the ideas online, they know what the person is likely to say, and they want to avoid elevating those ideas.

I can't believe it's been 2 years from this clip. No one could have seen Jordan Peterson's health crisis coming. I that these two will be able to talk sometime soon

Nt wright is my hero.....

Very balanced and nuanced perspective of Jordan Peterson.

My honest take about JP. He is a good writer even though his book may seem kind of vague at times but I think he successfully conveys his ideas. He is what I would call a social or practical Christian. He is helpful to Christianity in the sense that he opposes the big bullies of atheism and to some extend he defends the ideas of Christianity that have shaped the western world from a sociological perspective. He is also someone who is very hard to pin a view down on, in other words he calls himself a Christian, but his beliefs are wide enough that even a moderate atheist could identify with his views.

@thewriterslens5689

5 жыл бұрын

That's good. I don't believe Peterson has called himself a "Christian" though. He has often been quoted as stating, "I behave as though God exists." Which makes him sound more like an agnostic than a Christ-follower. Your take on his platform I would agree with overall.

@johnjacob5990

5 жыл бұрын

He's a fascist arguing for the noble lie.

@bonnie43uk

5 жыл бұрын

Christians come in all shades of the same colour.

@scholarlyrunner

5 жыл бұрын

Well said.

JP would benefit greatly from spending some time with professional theologians at Cambridge Divinity. It will tighten his arguments and get him up to date with current theological thinking, round off his sharp edges and put his significant platform to better use, especially his misguided right-leaning fans. Oh, wait.

@defenceapologetics5961

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ethan-of9hs capitalism or socialism Pro-choice vs pro-life Please tell

@johnjacob5990

5 жыл бұрын

Peterson is just a fascist arguing for the noble lie for dumb people. He doesn't have an elementary grasp of theology, just as he doesn't for history (see: ~the Germans were nihilists because they still killed Jews even when they were losing the war).

@myselfincluded3649

5 жыл бұрын

Johannes Richter oh wait indeed

@Alnivol666

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnjacob5990 Everybody I don't like is a fascist. Come on, man. Don't abuse this word. If you want to look mildly intelligent, you don't gratioutusly call people fascists.

@scholarlyrunner

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnjacob5990 Clearly you know much more about what Fascism since you believe a right-leaning psychologist is one. Please enlighten us...

What year is it? 2016?

1) Feeling offended is a choice. One can choose not to be offended. Unfortunately, the claim of being offended is often used as an attempt to stifle criticism and debate. These are essential, as it is how we learn - peacefully. Peterson provides stimulus to such debates, although some of his output perhaps leans towards the past controlling, rather than influencing the present, thereby reducing the capacity for learning and change 2) The way we “live” after death is through the effect we have on people and other living things, as well as the stuff we leave here left here after we’ve gone. That’s enough “resurrection” for me.

@davidhawley1132

5 жыл бұрын

cliffjamesmusic Is the poem Ozymandias still in secondary school curriculum I wonder? As CS Lewis noted, it makes a profound difference to believe that each human’s existence outlasts all civilizations.

My two man-crushes finally joined - NTW and JBP

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I loved this guy in Lady Dynamite.

Love him

Discussion between Wright and Peterson!

NT Wright is very polite. David Bentley Hart is more rude and funny.

The question mast be what do think about Yuval Noah Harari, whom i think is the greatest thinker in this modern times.

Irony of Irony, Wright calls someone's work rambling. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I would definitely watch a talk between you two. Too bad Cambridge doesn't think the same thing.

@dannysze8183

5 жыл бұрын

Cambridge did the right thing. Ban J. Peterson. He is a moron.

@scholarlyrunner

5 жыл бұрын

@@dannysze8183 Are you going to give reasons for your opinion or just throw insults at him?

@dannysze8183

5 жыл бұрын

@@scholarlyrunner there's no point to give reason on youtube. J.Peterson gives comments on all disciplines (politics, religions, ethics) and not his profession as a psychologist. His opinion is populist and without any research, so as a prestigious academic institution, Cambridge should ban him.

@scholarlyrunner

5 жыл бұрын

​@@dannysze8183 He's a free-market Liberal, not a populist. Without research? Almost everything he says is based on either a.) scientific studies or b.) reading he has done on his own time. It is interesting that you'll essentially claim he has no evidence for what he says. Well, you don't seem to have evidence, either. So pick some specific examples to back up your claims.

@dannysze8183

5 жыл бұрын

@@scholarlyrunner you are brain washed. He is a psychologist as he should give advice on psychology subject. Most of his opinions are personal point of view. I am an architect and if I am a professor I would only talk about Architecture, I would not give advice how how man should date a woman, or how woman choose man. therefore, Cambridge makes a good judgement on banning him because he does not present an in depth academic research.

Please talk with Jordan

I appreciate this guys opinion but it would have been way more interesting if he had followed the Harris debates or Dilahunty debate or the Biblical Series etc etc etc

I found Peterson's book stimulating and enjoyable.... Heard him speak too .... Easier to follow often than NT Wright

What I find amusing is how many older people smugly jab at Dr. Peterson's book as if it were written them. He is not aiming at old fogies. It is a book written for young people to fill in the gaps left by the neglect of their parents and teachers. I'm glad to see that that point was finally admitted in this interview.

Yes I saw the conversation JP had with Matt Dillahunty ( intellectual atheist debater ) where Dillahunty admitted having an experience with the Holy Spirit...and yet remains an atheist....

@bundlewade

5 жыл бұрын

Nick Wadson That sounds like an interesting conversation. Do you have the link to that?

@nickwadson5731

5 жыл бұрын

@@bundlewade Around the 49:32 mark

Ain't he right!

peterson is impossible to pin down. he is unique

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

Acupuncture would be the most horrific form of torture for him.

Hey Tom, I would love to hear NT Wright on the notion that the Shroud is our "receipt" from the Resurrection. There are some great videos on YT from the Jewish photographer who was part of the initial team who investigated the shroud many years ago and who was the first to realise that the image had topographical content in it as if it was made by radiation from the solid object that was Jesus' body. No 13th century artist fraudster could possibly do that. So much of it has amazingly not been explained by our powerful 20 century science. It's existence has surely had a profound effect on my faith as a Christian as with irrefutable proof of the Resurrection there can be no doubting that Jesus is the Son of God. The shroud is like Thomas finally seeing the Lord with his own eyes and putting his hands into his wounds.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

I believe he briefly touches on the Shroud of Turin in his book, Simply Christian.

"Gotcha Kathy Newman"

Pretty condescending and it is just my take and it looks like he read it with the "I know it's not the Truth" and gives it the message it's convinced him of nothing which means he is in a great place in his own life. If you imagine reading it as a person looking for a way out of mental quagmires then you would be glad to read it.

That's what I thought about the book--he rambles a lot.

Yes! Discussions with the quality guests you invite instead of battling strawman interrogations from Ditchkins and the toxic far-Left. Do you have Terry Eagleton's phone number?

Why don’t we hear more from more conservative theologians with a similar message? Peterson sheds considerable light on many theological issues. The Bible speaks to many of the same issues but why must I listen to a clinical psychologist for biblical insights?

@mikewagner1614

5 жыл бұрын

No need to listen to anyone my friend...... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling..... peace Doug. Long days and pleasant nights.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

@doug wigginton You’ll have to seek them out. N.T. Wright, Gary Habermas and William Lane Craig are probably the preeminent ones; especially, Wright.

@dougwigginton3983

5 жыл бұрын

MojoPin1983 Thank you

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

@You’re welcome. John Lennox is also great.

This idea that Christians should embrace JBP when he hasn't embraced the gospel by grace through faith is ludicrous - for me it is them that are the ones who are the ones with 'no clothes'. Saying nice things about Christianity won't cut it on the day of judgement. (And NO, I'm a reformed theological conservative).

@sirweddings

5 жыл бұрын

You ought to do some serious research into astrotheology.

imagine NT Wright accusing someone of rambling.

@jimboi2318

3 жыл бұрын

If Im not wrong I think he's talking about the book, not sure though cus Ive not read it

And he disses Elmo even.

I take Peterson seriously when it comes to free speech, but that's about it.

@johnjacob5990

5 жыл бұрын

He lied about Bill C16.

@biggregg5

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnjacob5990 In what way?

Noam chomsky , the father of modern linguistics, claims that Jordan's use of language in his writings proves he is a con man. Google: Jordan Peterson the intellectual we deserve. Interesting that n.t. Wright had that response of confusion in the beginning.

Here's a question I'd like to ask NT Wright. If he believes that God imbued mankind with morality, why does my inner moral compass instinctively know that certain acts commanded by God are immoral?

@scholarlyrunner

5 жыл бұрын

If you disagree with what particular books say about God, that's fine. But why do humans bother calling things moral and immoral, right and wrong? Why does justice matter? Aren't we all here to just survive and reproduce? It seems like we all want more than what our biology demands.

@bonnie43uk

5 жыл бұрын

@@scholarlyrunner Why does justice matter?, well, we've evolved into beings that, if we're to survive, we need to cooperate with one another, that's why we've got this far, we're quite clever creatures. We are also social animals that thrive in environments that require us to depend on one another. We are very much like other primates, we can't survive on our own. The more moral we are towards eachother the better we seem to do. No God required.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

@bonnie43uk “Why does justice matter?, well, we've evolved into beings that, if we're to survive, we need to cooperate...” Not true. One can survive on their own. Conversely, exploitation and expropriation of other peoole’s property/possessions can aid in one’s survival. It is curious that you used the word “cooperate.” If morality is merely the product of socio-biological evolution, then you are correct that one merely ought to *cooperate* in order to facilitate human flourishing; however, that presupposes that such a goal is morally superior to inflicting pain and suffering on others. Moreover, if morality is human in origin, then there are no objective morals and duties. Under a naturalistic paradigm, morals would simply be pragmatic rules (or a cooperative tactic); a distinction between desirable and undesirable outcomes, which are totally arbitrary and vary from person to person. One man’s good is another man’s evil. Some cultures embrace cannibalism, while others condemn it. Whose ethics are superior? Who are we to judge? In the absence of an objective moral law, there is no obligation to love and signify another person. At best, we might think it would be beneficial to simply cooperate and exploit each other’s abilities and strengths in order to meet a common end. “We are very much like other primates, we can't survive on our own.” Sure we can. How do you explain those who live off the land? They are self-reliant. “The more moral we are towards eachother the better we seem to do. No God required.” You keep begging the question: What does moral mean? You recognize that there is a moral framework that we cannot run from, but you are taking that for granted. You have no basis to make objective moral judgements. Let me ask you something. Do you believe that evil exists?

@scholarlyrunner

5 жыл бұрын

@bonnie43uk Not necessarily. Someone could commit murder when no one is looking and benefit greatly. From an evolutionary perspective manipulation and violence are just as useful as cooperation. In fact, humans use both, unfortunately. Only morality says that murder is wrong, period. Evolutionary perspectives don't go beyond the practicalities of survival and reproduction.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

@scholarlyrunner I agree with you. I affirmed that from a naturalistic perspective, one could exploit another because they are not obligated by an overarching moral authority to love their fellow humans. I am a theist who believes in objective morals and duties. You are correct. Under a naturalistic paradigm, human life has no objective value that can be violated. Objective morals and duties only exists and human life only has objective value if we are the creation of a being of infinite and intrinsic worth. In the absence of God, our only duty is one of mere survival and utility: propagation.

What is this man saying pls? Is he pro JP or against him?

@Pajama_Pianist

5 жыл бұрын

From what I heard, it sounds like he's saying that, while Jordan is not a deity of ultimate wisdom in human form, as some make him out to be, he's a reasonable guy looking around going "Uhh, we NEED to pick up these pieces quickly before this whole thing (Philosophical Western world) crumbles down!" He respects Jordan for doing that and for being like that.

This channel to me is never boring, until and unless I read the Silly discussions, arguments and comments ensued by foolish intellectuals exposing long buried old prejudices, and brought up with its offensive odor.

@bonnie43uk

5 жыл бұрын

that's odour where I come from. We also spell colour the correct way.

Jordan (it depends what you mean by) Peterson can't harness his own thoughts, he baffles you with intelligent sounding language then gets bogged down in defining the definition of definitions definition until you don't even know what point he's trying to make.

@Onlyhas99

5 жыл бұрын

And then he helps people with sorting their life out. What a lovely person

@Pajama_Pianist

5 жыл бұрын

(Please don't turn this into a "see all 303 replies" kind of chain of comments. My goal is not to win, only to give my two cents) Critics claim that Jordan's aim is to slyly go nowhere by dancing around the question, saying "depends on what you mean by..." in order to get back to his "deep" proverbs. He's not the first person to say this, though. Other philosophers have said something along the lines of that, such as Socrates' "The beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms." (granted, this quote has now become disputed as to whether or not it was actually said by Socrates) or Voltaire's "If you wish to converse with me, define your terms." I personally believe that Jordan's aim is to get to know your question *in the way you define it* so the conversation can correctly go forward with truth as the goal, not victory. Something like "If we can get this conversation to an amicable end, then that is GOOD," meaning 'sufficient.' With that being said, I do not view Jordan as some deity of ultimate wisdom that has descended from the skies. It's fair to say he's an amalgamation of his influences with some original thought, one of those being "Responsibility ameliorates suffering."

s/o/b

opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance

Rambling - The pot is calling the kettle black.

If he’s happy to talk to anyone about the resurrection, anytime, why doesn’t he talk to Richard Carrier? I’m sure Carrier would be more than happy to talk.

@zgobermn6895

5 жыл бұрын

Carrier is a mythicist, he holds an extreme view on Jesus Christ, that he is all just legend and myth and that there was no actual historical figure behind the Jesus story. Carrier is a convinced antitheist, tried to read and listen to some of his works but found it unenlightenning.

@kiljoy5223

5 жыл бұрын

He doesn’t actually deny that there could be a historical figure who in some, naturalistic way, resembles the gospel Jesus, but he does think it is unlikely. Either way, are you suggesting it would be wright for N T Wright to go back on what he said were Richard Carrier prepared to talk to him?

hey nt...get Jordan to come over fully to the dark side...oops..I mean the light.......become a Christian preacher...but yeah his rambling would be an issue in the pulpit I admit

@FirstLast-zk5ow

5 жыл бұрын

You need to get off the psychotropic drugs my friend. They don't help ... they only make the patient crazier than they were before they got on them :(

@antidepressant11

5 жыл бұрын

can you share some of yours?@@FirstLast-zk5ow

Jordan Peterson is the best thing that happen to this world for long time

He is popularity shows how shallow the new generations is , no one reads anymore

@CScott-wh5yk

5 жыл бұрын

Genesis Gnosis ironically, Wright only commented on Peterson’s popular book, not his really philosophical thesis in Maps of Meaning.

1:50 - The one difficulty I had with the NT Wright segment here (and the only one) .. championing the idea of free speech but then missing the point at 2:00 This is also the problem with the luny leftists.. What I deem a "Shameful Horrible View" (something somewhat relative) gives me the right to not listen or negate the need for debate or conversation. There is a tension between what I should welcome and embrace and what I should tolerate. But in true free speech I should tolerate even your apparent lunacy or vulgarity. Anyway just a comment.

I don’t understand why so many christians are so into someone with such bad theology. Peterson refuses to be pinned down by not having any well thought out ideas (I’m being hyperbolic of course).

So why has j.p resonated with millions and millions of people? I sense jealousy.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

Jealousy from whom?

@iamservant8016

5 жыл бұрын

Who do you think?

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

N.T. Wright? I don’t know. You tell me. Your comment is very vague.

@iamservant8016

5 жыл бұрын

@@MojoPin1983 my comment isn't vague at all.while listening to NT Wright I sensed some jealousy,So I decided to point it out. Tell me! Didn't you sense some jealousy too?

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

No. What reason would N.T. Wright have to be jealous of Jordan Peterson? Wright doesn’t care about being popular, nor would he ever expect to be, seeing as he is a theologian. If anything, Wright was complimentary of Peterson and even extended an indirect invitation to speak with him.

How could you take any religious talk seriously?

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

Do you believe in God?

@biggregg5

5 жыл бұрын

@@MojoPin1983 No. I tried for years to take it in and make some sense of it all, but eventually my desire to believe what was most likely true won out.

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

@biggregg5 What makes you think that God’s inexistence is “most likely true,” as opposed to the opposite? The reason that I asked you whether you believe in God is because if He doesn’t exist, then your life has no objective value, and if you possess no objective worth, then why should anyone take you or anything you have to say seriously? This isn’t me insulting you, rather, I am making a basic philosophical point. If God did not create us, then our existence is objectively purposeless, save our one biological imperative: propagation. Religious talk is certainly not something to disregard. The real question that one ought to ask is: Why take anything seriously, in the absence of God? Under a naturalistic paradigm, life is completely pointless, besides that which we pragmatically choose to do for ourselves.

@biggregg5

5 жыл бұрын

@@MojoPin1983 Applying Ocham's razor protects against confirmation bias. That addresses your first paragraph. The rest of your comment is total bullshit.

@biggregg5

5 жыл бұрын

@@MojoPin1983 If God exists, your life has no meaning. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Who got that ridiculous assertion started? You guys need to fire him.

Peterson is a hack. Wright's exceptional good manners and generosity on full display here.

Rambling? Hahaha Ever read the bible?

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

That is a false equivalency. The Bible is a collection of allegories, poems, stories, historical accounts written by 40 authors over a 1500 years and later compiled into an anthology of 66 books. These books are written in various literary genres that require a different understanding. These include: historical narrative; the law; parable; poetry; prophecy; psalm; ancient biography (the gospels); epistle (Paul’s letters); apocalyptic language (largely found in Revelation), etc. The Bible isn’t a single document, written in one literary genre, by a lone author, at one point in history.

@bernardqblack

5 жыл бұрын

@@MojoPin1983 Stating something is a false equivalency doesnt make it so. Your response only strengthens the sarcasm of my original post. Even within books its littered with rambling narratives, especially the Torah books.

Both Peterson and Wright are overrated sophists.

What am I missing here? Why do I care what Wright thinks about Peterson?

@trumfnator

5 жыл бұрын

Peterson: Makes many Materialists/Atheists for the first time go: "Hmm...maybe there is something to the whole Bible thing." N.T Wright: New Testament Scholar/Theologian. So, someone who get's interested in Christianity through Peterson could very well end up reading N.T. Wright. At least that's how it is for me as a classical "I don't care/know about religion"-Materialist. That's why I care what Wright thinks about Peterson.

@Actuary1776

5 жыл бұрын

trumfnator Interesting. Nothing I’ve heard from Peterson makes me want to investigate religion in any sort of manner. Every time I’ve heard him questioned on the topic he tap dances his tail off, speaking for 10-15 minutes but essentially saying nothing about his position. To be fair though, I think Wright quite often does the same thing.

Unbelievable! What a load of tosh! Supposedly intelligent people behaving as if jp has something important to say! By the way, the resurrection never happened. Just ask Lloyd Gearing!

@brotherbroseph1416

5 жыл бұрын

Jeff Betts no one cares what Lloyd Gearing has to say

@jeffbetts9420

5 жыл бұрын

Mystic Lantern majority of the world would agree with him. So not sure how you came to your conclusion!

Lol if this guy thinks Cathy Newman did a good job he is delusional

@MojoPin1983

5 жыл бұрын

Where did he state that Cathy Newman did a good job? He simply said that he saw that interview. He never lauded the job she did.

@jaggedstarrPI

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't. He was making the opposite point.

There ain't no god, boy.

@SavageHenry777

5 жыл бұрын

@BibleTalk101 Well hahdly I reckn

I really do hope that, if Dr. Peterson is still able to go to Cambridge somehow, he and Dr. Wright get the opportunity to sit down and converse. I think it’s be a real treat to listen to.