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The way he says " Here comes honey boo boo" was amazing and you can see that Conan did not expect that.
@rickyd-lux9067
7 ай бұрын
7:05
@hoshiref
7 ай бұрын
Happy birthday, honey boo boo meme 🎉
@voorboch
7 ай бұрын
Herzog's body movement at, "Boo Boo" is why I came to watch this after listening to the podcast.
@Losrandir
7 ай бұрын
No one in the entire world was expecting that!
@jfish032
7 ай бұрын
No one expected that 😳
It starts with psychoanalysis being utterly to useless and ends with a full blown love letter to Wrestlemania. Insanity. Also skating.
@joemckim1183
5 ай бұрын
I'm not a type of person to get psychoanalysis myself but for him to say it has no value seems a bit ridiculous. I mean if nothing else it allows people a chance to talk through traumatic events with an outsider that they might not feel comfortable talking about with someone that's so close to them.
@boomshroom5118
5 ай бұрын
@@joemckim1183 Doesn't help to talk to a stranger, make some friends and confide in them or you'll collapse into a black hole. No way around it. Therapy never never helps and only gets you hooked on drugs and killed.
@ghostD0C
5 ай бұрын
@@boomshroom5118Nonsense.
@shawnhuk
4 ай бұрын
@@boomshroom5118well… that’s a bit of a stretch.
@florete2310
4 ай бұрын
@@joemckim1183 That's actually not what he said - if you listen to his words carefully, he lays out his case and its an interesting point. But you need to bear through it, to get what he means.
I love how Werner refers to Linda McMahon as Vince's "alleged wife" 🤣
@samir6047
7 ай бұрын
I mean, he's spot on 😂😂
@MrMarioski
7 ай бұрын
Bingo! Legally lol
@al112v4
7 ай бұрын
I knew right away he was talking about THAT specific storyline with Vince and Linda in 2000 LMAO
@skykid3000
6 ай бұрын
And referring to Vince as “the owner of the franchise”
@joemckim1183
5 ай бұрын
Linda is still technically married to Vince but their relationship has been not much more than a business relationship for several years you'd have to think.
If Werner Herzog were to do an impersonation of Bill Hader doing an impersonation of Werner Herzog it would sound exactly like he said, "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo"
The anecdote Werner is talking about regarding wrestling is Wrestlemania X7 in 2001. If you are a wrestling fan, you know this to be arguably the greatest show of all-time. One match in the show involved Shane Mcmahon vs his father, WWF owner Vince Mcmahon. Vince had his wife drugged andnput her in a wheelchair to watch him beat up their son. The end of the match involved Linda, the wife, rising out of the wheelchair to kick her husband in thebfamily jewels to an absolutely THUNDEROUS ovation. It is both the highest and lowest form of entertainment at once.
@ShadowAngel606
4 ай бұрын
He didn't drug her, she had a nervous breakdown because Vince started an affair with Trish Stratus
@suites.74
4 ай бұрын
Vince used that to medically gaslight her@@ShadowAngel606
@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat
2 ай бұрын
Don’t forget, there was also a running bit where a one legged man would taunt Vince and eventually he took his walker and like...sped off into the night at the end of a show
“Therapy is a mistake.” This interview brought to you by BetterHelp!
@ryanandring2688
7 ай бұрын
For real lmaoo
@al112v4
7 ай бұрын
It isn't if you need it though, although I do kinda understand where he comes from, especially the yoga part for 5 year olds.
@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat
2 ай бұрын
@@al112v4oh it’s definitely self indulgent sometimes, but I can’t agree that “it hasn’t done anyone any good”
@erik5368
Ай бұрын
Better help has paid off millions of dollars of college debt for at least 12 psychology majors. That is the going rate for a degree in this American capitlistic hellscape, no?@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat
@palaceofwisdom9448
Ай бұрын
People are going to deeply regret sharing their personal mental and emotional issues to some online stranger, and sooner than they think. It begs for invoking red flag laws to trample their rights.
This just goes to reaffirm that WrestleMania XVII was a masterful piece of art.
@hankdatank09
6 ай бұрын
Amen!
@rsk47reviews59
6 ай бұрын
wrestling peaked at WM 17.
@ChillandQuill
Ай бұрын
you catch wrestlemania 40? night 2 was epic!!!
Werner Herzog confirmed as playable character in new Tony Hawk Pro Skater
@signoguns8501
2 ай бұрын
I actually had to check lol. You never know with Werner.
His love for America literally brought tears to my eyes. I had to pause for a moment. Such a great man and master artist.
'The poet must not close his eyes... Here comes Honey Booboo' 😂
Werner: "Therapy is useless" Later: "This podcast brought to you by BetterHelp!"
@MelancholicRobot42
7 ай бұрын
Lol
@JohnSmith-ps7yq
6 ай бұрын
Bravo.
@pa20065
5 ай бұрын
He says 'psychoanalysis,' not 'therapy.' There are different schools of psychotherapy.
@DarkGob
4 ай бұрын
BetterHelp is pretty sketchy to be fair.
This guy gets it - wrestling is an outlandish form of social commentary! Especially from the 80's to late 2000's, as those guys were doing something that had never been done, and they truly came up with it as they went along! They participated in some great satire and parody of society and popular culture - which is why if you watch the interviews of guys like Hogan, Stone Cold, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Triple H, Jericho etc - you see some really astute minds.
@orboobleck5366
7 ай бұрын
Ironically, the most astute of them are the ones who got out of the business before injuries and addiction destroyed their minds and bodies. The Rock had the sense to get out when he did. Hulk Hogan was in the game way too long.
@playedout148
7 ай бұрын
The Iron Sheikh.
@HOTD108_
7 ай бұрын
@@playedout148Yarp-Yarp.
@gudrune
6 ай бұрын
Can you please point to a couple of specific examples of interviews maybe? I'm from Europe, I've never watched wrestling, so I'm curious about how it reflects society of the time. I'm a huge fan of south park for example, I think they've been doing an incredible social commentary for decades now.
@siitiatuinei2737
6 ай бұрын
Comparing wrestling to Greek Plays is an allusion to Roland Barthes, isn’t it? He’s a Semiotician, which isn’t any huge surprise
Herzog's autobiography audible book (he is the narrator) is GREAT. Interesting life and perspectives. Such a unique individual.
Wrestling is athletic theater.
@shoWbitz
7 ай бұрын
It's more than that. Pro Wrestling is a show about making a show.
Werner needs to be an unlockable character in whatever the next Skateboarding game is. If they make a Skate 4, they gotta get Werner to voice and then make him playable.
@playthehighnote1122
4 ай бұрын
He should be an unlockable character in the next WWE game.
Understanding the production and presentation of professional wrestling is a versatile gateway to understanding professional politics
Celebrity survey: The TV show that I wish would make a comeback is… Bong Joon Ho said, "Mindhunter." Quentin Tarantino said, "How I Met Your Mother." Werner Herzog said, "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo."
@WTFisTingispingis
3 ай бұрын
I would wanna see what the cast of Honey Boo Boo looks like now
Everything explained by him is poetic
Does Werner Herzog acknowledge our tribal chief, Roman Reigns? This is the most important of questions.
@brianjl7477
7 ай бұрын
I think the Los Angeles loving Mr. Herzog is pulling for LA Knight!
@starxhilmie
7 ай бұрын
Werner is more like Judgement Day kinda guy
@RobLives4Love
7 ай бұрын
i hope not
@Nhzharuthopar
7 ай бұрын
@@brianjl7477YEAH!
@Nhzharuthopar
7 ай бұрын
I can just Imagine Werner managing Gunther and terrifying the children with his promos.
I've always thought pro wrestling is the closest equivalent to Shakespeare's theater we have in modern times. The audience is part of the show.
@playedout148
7 ай бұрын
For 12 year olds.
@mattcarberry368
7 ай бұрын
@@playedout148 and middle aged rednecks
@JamesMc2051
7 ай бұрын
Pantomine in lycra.
@HOTD108_
7 ай бұрын
@@playedout148Most popular culture is made for 12 year olds. Star Wars being probably the most famous example.
@GLsJAwtomatica
6 ай бұрын
Pro wrestling at its core is performance art albeit a very crude version of it
Werner Herzog needs to be a Commentator on Wrestlemania! Now!!
@totallybored5526
4 ай бұрын
He should be the booker
His take on therapy/psycho analysis is interesting. Don't think i agree with it but i can appreciate where he is coming from. Alot to dive into in what he said.
@kevinkuenn5733
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, he's wrong on that one, it's a generational thing I'm sure.
@Dalesdeadbug90
7 ай бұрын
@@kevinkuenn5733 it’s a mix between generational and cultural. In Post-ww2 Germany there was a huge boom in psychological research and looking back, most of it was wrong and harmful to patients.
@FablestoneSeries
7 ай бұрын
Considering his fascination with the dark madness in all his protagonists, his approach to therapy doesn't surprise me.
@sadhbh4652
7 ай бұрын
Well I don't think we can say "he's wrong." Only time will tell.
@angelpipessd
7 ай бұрын
I don't have a comment on what you said, really - but you used "alot", so I have to share this with you hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
I think there is a difference between "I don't believe in therapy" and "I don't believe that therapy will solve everything". I mean, there surely is an idiotic culture repeating "be better, be better, be better" and of course the sollution to the worlds problems isn't "more therapy". But to just simply deny the good it can do (most people would benefit in knowing themselves a bit more, and psycoanalisys isn't the only way to do that, the field of psycotherapy have many branches and alternatives) sounds simplistic. I love Werner Herzog and I can clearly see that he put a lot thought into what he is saying here; nonetheless, I think he's a bit mistaken.
@montananerd8244
7 ай бұрын
The data would suggest he is, indeed, mistaken. I do think he's got a very different view of therapy - analysis is not modern CBT, illumination is not the goal. Therapy works in a way that is a little bit offensive to most humans in its simplicity, esp to people like Werner seeing people like ridiculous LA people. He loves Montana for all the reasons he hates therapy, but probably has no idea how many people here are in therapy too, and how it really is the best hope to lower our terrifying suicide rate. He does romanticize a great deal, tbh. It feels like he belongs in another time.
@brmbkl
7 ай бұрын
@@montananerd8244 y'all missing the point he made he didn't comment on a "difference between "I don't believe in therapy" and "I don't believe that therapy will solve everything" - he was making the point that not all people need it, and that those people that don't, do it to say they do, the same way kids get braces when they don't need to
@luns486
7 ай бұрын
Yeah I couldn’t agree with him less. To use his analogy, living in a house with no lights on is going to mean you are constantly banging into things and hurting yourself and others. Everyone can benefit from understanding themselves better.
@drphalanges1520
7 ай бұрын
I just like knowing a little bit more about myself and how my brain works. And it's nice to have someone to talk to. I never thought therapy would solve all my problems. It just helps me understand them a bit more.
@jamk2668
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, Werner has a lot of similar hang ups. For instance, he also believes meditation is simply "woo woo" which is simply not the case, as his good friend David Lynch would attest to.
What Werner says about the fascination of watching something like "Honey Boo Boo" is exactly what I feel about watching stuff like Dog the Bounty Hunter or Dirty Jobs - a show that displays situations that I have never and probably will never be in myself, but shows other Human Beings expertly navigating these very specialized situations. Human Beings are fascinating to watch. Btw....as someone living in Minnesota who lives 1/3 time in Wisconsin - thanks for the shout out! but shhhh don't reveal how great it is up here! 😉
@travisdilweg7651
5 ай бұрын
He shot what I think is his greatest movie, Stroszek, mostly in Wisconsin.
On one hand, having older German family members from Munich, I can tell you that some of his quirks are just very, *very* typically Bavarian, and -- to be honest -- less endearing to me than they are to most people who just take them as eccentricity. On the other hand, he clearly has incredible curiosity about the world and loves people, and I totally get it when he says if he things something could work, he absolutely refuses to give up.
@aliofly
7 ай бұрын
What are the typically Bavarian traits you mean if you don’t mind sharing?
@Squirrelanditsnutz
5 ай бұрын
@@aliofly as a guy who's family from Saxony, and not Bavaria, some of the main traits include elitism, conservativism, and self centricity, but these don't really apply to Werner. Some other Bavarian traits that I think he shows are that he's critical of many things, he is quite cynical of certain things, he on occasions belittles things, and is quite stubborn sometimes.
@telegramsam6338
5 ай бұрын
Stepmother was from Munich and you nailed it.
@zaz214
5 ай бұрын
@@alioflyno.
Werner's voice is soo soothing.
I now want the audio clip of Werner Herzog saying "Here comes Honey Boo Boo" as my ring/messege-tone.
@kaledivh
3 ай бұрын
Someone made one! kzread.info/dash/bejne/aHqHm6yElajAo9Y.html
Herzog hates psychoanalysis? We really need a Herzog vs Zizek debate. I've no doubt they'd get on like a house on fire.
@foolishsamurai
7 ай бұрын
There's already an ai version of that online. I'm not kidding ya
@GCKelloch
7 ай бұрын
He didn't say he hated it. He said he thought it shouldn't be relied on to solve psychological issues for everyone, but it may be needed for some people. I'd go further and say even it may not be the solution for some serious psychological issues. I lean toward the Anne Wilson Schaef school of process training.
@will-ellington
7 ай бұрын
@@foolishsamurai Yeah I know. It's actually quite funny.
@GCKelloch
7 ай бұрын
@@DarkMoonWayfarer from the smirk on his face after saying "it hasn't done no good to no one", I don't think he meant it literally, and he then qualifies his statement saying it is necessary in certain clinical cases. Freudian analysis, which I assume he referred to, can certainly be helpful in some cases, but it's not the answer for every psych issue. Analysis can even interfere with personal progress, where physical expression might be more productive. I do disagree with his glib statement about communism being a "utopian" ideology. That's a common misconception about Marxism, of which there are many.
@Refixul
7 ай бұрын
I think it is also important to highlight that Freudian psychoanalysis changed and many different forms of therapy exist and developed in the last century. In some cases it is much more personalised. All in all I get what Herzog was saying, there's a certain fixation with "mental health", that resolves in a lot of talking and performative stuff and very little useful stuff.
Man understands that story telling is more important than the match itself more so than most wrestlers lol
@totallybored5526
4 ай бұрын
I’m surprised the AEW marks haven’t bombarded you yet
Interesting man. Great interview Conan
Chris Hedges has a stunning chapter on wrestling in his book Empire of Illusion.
I love whatever comes out of Herzog’s mouth. I agree with him on psychoanalysis only because I’ve been thru the ringer throughout high school. If the nice patient ones couldn’t even help me the way art could then it felt pointless. To each their own.
A great guest and true philosopher.
Paul F Tompkins must have absolutely eaten this up. He plays Herzog perfectly. 4:10 “the futility” perfect 😂
Herzog is an Honorary Skateboarder. Earn you marks “Artists.”
I would LOVE to know what Werner Herzog thinks of telenovelas.
@thecapricorn11
5 ай бұрын
😂
7:05 - Among the greatest sounds ever uttered by the human species
I asked my therapist for cycle analysis, but thought my request was pedestrian
7:04 for everyone coming from the latest clip
Werner is like this very enthusiastic and curious alien from another planet being endlessly entertained while trying to analyze, understand and experience the craziness that is the USA.
For those of you who haven't seen this man's films he made in the 70's, please do your self a favor. Start with 'Aguirre:The Wrath of God'
@playedout148
7 ай бұрын
I prefer the 70s films of Russ Meyer.
My favourite man alive- I am such a fan of him.
This guy is awesome. A terribly deep thinker.
Now this is a GOATed guest 😮
I want Werner Hertzog saying "Here Comes Honey Boo-boo" to be my new text alert
Love his voice so much, so soothing. One of the most fascinating unique original individuals ever. Great actor and guest, Werner Herzog. Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, I never watch those shows but that is the best thing ever. Laughing so hard. 😍🥰😘👑💎⚜️🏆 😆 🤣😂 🎙️🎧
Oh dear, i hope I'm wrong, but hearing him speak, i fell like he's visited the museum where I work & I didnt recognize him 😳 he's a big fan of our ski mountains...
A lot of nuanced wisdom regarding the American political divide that I wasn't expecting
Love his voice
Someone should take this audio and edit a documentary to it.
Werner Herzog: man of the people
@allamaraine8066
6 ай бұрын
He really is, though! At least I think so.
Werner Herzog needs to do a collab video with German in Venice about their appreciation of LA.
Werner Herzog is a treasure... he can narrate my life =)
Honey Boo Boo aside, as somebody born and raised in the American south it was really refreshing to hear Herzog's opinion on the more rural parts of America. We tend to be marginalized as ignorant or uneducated boors in the media, but this is not a complete or 100% accurate picture.
Madness reigns!
That was incredible! Once in a lifetime! State of the Union, Key to life, all wrapped up in one man! I thought it was just me! :)
lol, I had to remind myself this is a comedy podcast. You can't get more nihilist than "the 20th century was a mistake." You'll never get _this_ on Colbert!
After watching this video, I would like to offer Werner one of my tickets to the 12/15/23 Smackdown event in Green Bay. Please forward this to him accordingly.
'So many people in love with their problems' - The Talking Heads
Wernern Herzog is a good man❤
All of these Werner Herzog clips you've been posting sre great, is there anywhere to watch the whole thing? I know how to listen to it but not watch it
I would love to just listen to Werner talk about him and Kinski for a couple hours lol
Someone has to show Mr. Herzog the South Park episode "W.T.F." (the "Wrestling Takedown Federation").
@iambetterthanu
7 ай бұрын
I kept thinking of that exactly.
very good
I want to know more about his pact with the skateboarders 😂😂😂
I can’t wait to see what Paul F. Tompkins does with this.
I would love to hear Herzog's take on Anime
7:05 Dare you not to click this timestamp five times.
very enjoyable but the hardest thing for people is to understand that what is good and bad for you is not so for others. Werner falls into that same chasm, and his authoritative je ne sais quois makes us imagine that his insights apply generally. they don't.
I wish he would do the lead in voice over to this year's Wrestlemania
I can see where he is coming from. It's the old "don't pick at a wound or it might get infected"-analogy. Most people are fairly stable and don't have glaring mental/emotinal issues. However, we all have minor issues. If you focus too much attention on a minor issue without actually working towards removing it or improving it that issue WILL become a major issue. And that leads us to another problem. Most therapists run private practicies and are dependant on a stable customer base to survive. They don't really want you to get better. They just want you to feel that you probably need to come back next week for another session and pay 50, 100, 200, whatever dollars to do so. Furthermore, a lot of people don't actually want to do the work required for therapy too be successful. Therapy should 100% be about self-improvement and self-change. "Why can't *I* handle critziscm and what should *I* do to change that aspect of *my* personality?". "Why do *I* break down and cry/get angry whenever things don't go my way?". "Why can't *I* handle people that don't agree with me?". These questions often require deep dives into your own dirty past and once you find that thing (or those things) you need to actually change those behaviours/reactions. That is very hard work that asks you to be brutally honest with yourself and 100% humble before your own shortcomings if it's to be successful. Most people don't really want to go through that crueling, emotinally tough process. They might think they do (or at least that's their official stance) but they don't really have the will or energy to do the work. Instead, they want a shoulder to cry on. Someone who listens to them while they complain about how stupid and mean everyone else is. The second they leave the therapists office they revert back to the same personality they had before. And that suits the therapists just fine. They can keep this person coming back week after week, month after month, year after year. No improvement in sight. No self-realization and change.
7:04 I know y'all looking for this
I've been saying for years that pro wrestling is a direct descendant of classical drama & I've been laughed at. Werner bloody Herzog says it & he gets on Conan...
@WTFisTingispingis
3 ай бұрын
He isn't wrong!
Why isn't "Here comes honey boo boo" a 2000s era ringtone yet?
On wrestling Roland Barthes would agree
When he says disappointing, I get interested lol.
i believe what he's talking about in the first 5 mins is what the red hot chili peppers sang about in Californication
I would pay money to see a documentary about him hangin out with his skateboarder friends.
5:26: Conan: "You've watched the Kardashians?" Werner: "Um....."
This needs more likes. Stroszek is one of the best movies of all time. Love Werner Herzog!
Does he mean Freudian psychoanalysis? Or therapy in general? Because psychoanalysis can have a very specific meaning.
@Specko
7 ай бұрын
I'm not convinced he knows the difference. Freud's work should be only considered from a historical perspective.
@Specko
7 ай бұрын
I'm not convinced he knows the difference. Freud's work should be only considered from a historical perspective.
Master filmmaker, revolutionary behind the camera, and has the best sense of “humor”
Yep, we use fiction to exorcise bloodlust. Like the elder gods from Cabin in the Woods.
@TheWinstonSlip
4 ай бұрын
Great movie
Hell yeah! Let's talk about Randy Savage's Macho Maaaadness😂
What a ride, Zog.
I really want to pay WH to live in my home and read me "Goodnight, Moon" every night to help me fall asleep. His voice is so soothing I'm pretty sure I'd be out before he even reached the end.
❤❤❤❤❤❤
"if a house is fully illuminated, it's uninhabitable" Bro some of us just saw a big spider and the house is uninhabitable unless all the lights are on
I have to agree with Herzog on therapy; Every person I know whos gotten therapy came out worse than before. It might've helped in moderation 20-30 years ago, but now it's an overpopulated sector with people who just do it for the money, as it's so widespread now.
Conan is a very polite host, but I was surprised he didn’t push back a little Herzog’s anti-psychoanalysis stance, because he’s been so vocal on this podcast about how therapy has helped him.
@badinkstudios
7 ай бұрын
I thought that as well, but I do respect that conan genuinely is interested in his guest’s take and let’s them speak. I certainly don’t agree that psychoanalysis is bad or overused, but his analogy of an illuminated house was genuinely unique and I think conan figured that it was interesting to let him expand on it
@uninterruptedrhythm4104
7 ай бұрын
So long as the guest isn’t going totally batsh*t like full on bigoted stuff, Conan seems to prefer letting them speak on their topics 😂
@luns486
7 ай бұрын
@@badinkstudiosthe house analogy was ridiculous. A much better analogy would be, you wouldn’t live in a house with no lights because you would be constantly bumping into things and hurting yourself and others. That’s why we all benefit from a little “illumination”.
@badinkstudios
7 ай бұрын
@@luns486 That's a great point. I think it's cool that we're continuing to use the house analogy to discuss the merits of therapy. And I think that's all I meant-Herzog introduced a unique analogy that we've never heard and Conan let him speak about it because it was unique
@texasfan541
4 ай бұрын
He wasn't anti therapy. He called out medical therapy as a positive at the end. I think he was talking about trying to break down everything the human brain does and why
8:27 I’m quite unsure how we got from honey boo boo to this
3:45 Ohtani too
I'm guessing this particular episode won't be sponsored by betterhelp 😅😅
Thank God that Gus is out there to represent Wisconsin!
@AnderWestgaard
6 ай бұрын
Woo! Wisconsin. Beautiful state.
Remember, Werner Herzog is not a scientist, nor is he a doctor. Any decisions you make regarding your mental health should not be decided by a cynical movie director, no matter how convincing, articulate, or successful they may be.
“Here comes Honey Boo Boo” make that ringtone dude!!
@kaledivh
3 ай бұрын
Noiselund made a full blown auto-tuned song of that. Go search for it, it's great.
7:05
they did a South Park episode about this in 2009
Incredible career. Great manager of royals and cardinals in mlb
The fact that Werner Herzog respects wrestling on any level means that I can die at least *somewhat* fulfilled lol