The 7900GRE is artificially limited. The card is allowed to pull only 260W at stock, when the nearly identical 7900XT is 320W TBP and still demanding more. VRAM is also limited to 18Gbps, despite the fact the memory chip itself is rated for 20Gbps. It seems as though the AIBs are also not allowed to alter anything spec wise besides power limit.

@vadski3469

3 ай бұрын

All we can hope for at this point is that they increase the oc limits

@martinholm317

3 ай бұрын

This is just a common practice these days, it's the same reason nvidias cards are all bios-locked.

@Glebanakonda921

3 ай бұрын

You should also note that 7900xt has 1 more chiplet(?) while having similar total cores as GRE, so there may be diminishing returns of how dence should chiplets be packed and don't forget about temps ~23% power difference feels to be a big limiting factor, but looking at temperatures, higher chiplet density could cause overheating which is why AMD limited their reference model to 260watts

@St0RM33

3 ай бұрын

doesn't morepowertool work on 7000 series?

@nialloftara5909

3 ай бұрын

Don't forget that the memory bus for the GRE is based on the 7800 XT sharing the 256bit 16 gig vs the 7900xt's 320 bit 20gig

This what makes Hardware Unboxed so great. When they find discrepancies they dig even deeper to keep consumers informed.

@w00t692

3 ай бұрын

He didn't even need to dig he said exactly what he thought the problem was outright at the beginning of the video and then he did the video to prove that what he said was true. It's cool to see but it was a waste of his time.

@stansid3326

3 ай бұрын

Not just that, but he is the only channel that did it properly to begin with. Comparing an AIB OC 7900 GRE to a reference 7800 XT, like other channels did, and coming up with +15% +20% improvements is misleading and scammy as hell. If anything, it's the other channels that should make clarification videos explaining their garbage, unfair data. Like for like comparisons should be a standard, period.

@happybuggy1582

3 ай бұрын

10:19 this chart tho, nitro cards are generally $100 more than stock. With that i rather get the base 4070Ti super, or asus dual, inno3d version. Coolers should not cost $100 more no matter how great.

@veilmontTV

2 ай бұрын

​@w00t692 confirming isn't a waste of time. These guys are pretty awesome. I do hate how knob slobby that sounds but it's true

@tomstech4390

2 ай бұрын

@@happybuggy1582 "i rather get the base 4070Ti super, or asus dual, inno3d version." Are you sure about that? Cheapest of each. -7900gre ASRock Chall oc: £533.98 -7900 GRE XFX MERC: £538 -7900 GRE Sapphire PURE: £539.99 RTX4070ti super Zotac gaming Trinity: £769.99 ...you'd pay 43.3% more for the cheapest 4070Ti super they can stick a 16 pin on?

I find the GRE to be a very strange product with how they've nerfed the memory to hold back those 80 RDNA 3 compute units. It's like it behaves more like an overclocked 7800XT with 60 CU's than and 80 CU card a lot of the time.

@shaun1243

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. It's an odd choice to nerf it like that. The GRE should be on the heels of the 4070 Ti Super. I do wonder how much influence the 18Gbps memory has when you consider the 64MB of infintiy cache, which is identical to the 7800 XT. I think they should've at least included another 20MB or so of cache if they wanted to keep the memory down at 18Gbps. Wouldn't make up for it entirely, but it'd make more sense.

@timiko4

3 ай бұрын

@@shaun1243 but you can't just `include another 20MB` of cache without retaping and refreshing N31 chip or at least MCD part of it (totally not cost efficient doing if for one card, this stuff usually doesn't change through generation) you have 16MiB cache per MCD - so 7900GRE 4 active MCD (256bit) - 4x 16MiB = 64MiB 7900XT 5 active MCD (320 bit) - 5x 16MiB = 80MiB 7900XTX 6 active MCD (384 bit) 6x 16MiB = 96MiB

@Krymzonnet

3 ай бұрын

This way it's much cheaper to manufacture. Fewer MCDs, smaller packaging, less (and likely much cheaper due to Hynix!) vram... And some of these main dies (estimates vary around 40-90%) they'd otherwise need to throw away

@GewelReal

3 ай бұрын

It's bandwidth starved + very power limited

@TerraWare

3 ай бұрын

@@timiko4 Thanks for the breakdown. I get it, they are trying to offer a level of performance for a price. Just the enthusiast in me finds it a bit odd. Whats also odd is how they've limited overclocking the memory. They've cornered those 80 CU's with extreme prejudice lol.

I noticed the GRE in your tests being slightly worse than in what some others found, and didn't find it to be a problem -- you were explicit about testing the reference models. This update is thus an excellent addendum to an already good review. It would be interesting to see how much the 7900 XT benefits from an AIB treatment as well, but you obviously can't test everything.

@zodwraith5745

3 ай бұрын

The problem with those other reviews is they ARE using those OC AIB cards but aren't mentioning that they aren't even close to MSRP. Nitro+ cards usually cost 10% more while not being 10% faster, making them a worse value. I find it disingenuous for those other reviewers to claim $550 when they're using the Nitro+ cards that sapphire sent out.

@Trisstan20

2 ай бұрын

@@zodwraith5745 on other hand, i am seeing basic OC models (Sapphire Pulse OC) for MSRP and they doing pretty good in reviews

I expect that the bulk of differences in review results can be attributed to game selection. GN had better overall results for the GRE, but their game selection for testing is wildly different to HUB. So how do consumers proceed? Average the averages in the reviews! Personally, I put more stock in the game types than the averages - I don't play competitive titles, I play single player RP style games. So I look for performance in that category. Good on you Steve for this re-re-review. Your integrity and commitment to fair results is commendable!

@sirmonkey1985

3 ай бұрын

perfect example of why it's good to look at as many reviews as you can. if everyones just benchmarking the same games in every review then you don't get the whole picture of performance.

@defeqel6537

3 ай бұрын

@@sirmonkey1985 there is also the possibility of not worrying about a few percentage points

@jondasek

3 ай бұрын

I guess, the game selection, but if you look at the Digital Foundry video, in Plague Tale Requiem 1440p Ultra, the GRE is 9% faster than the 4070 Super while in the HUB video the 4070S is faster. In Cyberpunk in DF's video the GRE is faster than 4070S, while in HUB's video they're basically on par. So it's always crucial to watch many reviews if you're planning to buy a GPU. Even when HUB tested the Nitro+ version, their results are still different than GN or DF, and the conclusion is different too...

@NakushitaNamida

3 ай бұрын

Or chose the review that has a game selection closer to what you like. As long the methodology is good , you can swap reviewer. Gamer Nexus and HUB are always a safe bet , though i prefer HUB because they agregate 1080p , 1440p and 4k data

@timmyjohns222

3 ай бұрын

GN is also still using a 12700k for benchmarks too which hurts NVidia gpu's more!

A re-test re-test is needed with the new drivers unlocking the VRAM OC.

Just as a heads up, the Sapphire Nitro + RX 7900 GRE is $580 on Newegg. The RX 7800 XT model is $530.

@manoftherainshorts9075

3 ай бұрын

GRE is a no-brainer then.

@MMK86

3 ай бұрын

its a $50 difference between the two around here as well....I have a feeling the 7800 XT might get a price drop soon

@paulmueller100x

2 ай бұрын

Not really. 10% more expensive, 7% faster. What's a no brainier abt that?​@@manoftherainshorts9075

@tomstech4390

2 ай бұрын

In the UK the sapphire pure and xfx merc versions are like £538. So about the same as the very lowest end 4070 and some higher end 4060Ti! They're gonna sell out everywhere.

@tadejdanev5030

2 ай бұрын

in europe at least 650€

The presentation, editing and voice-over for the graphs is perfect. It was easy to understand the differences you highlighted without pausing. I'm pointing this out because I sometimes struggle to follow other reviews with the same density of data.

Woahhh AMD is gonna loosen the OC limits a bit?? Excited to see what a 7900 gre can do when it’s tuned.

@vadski3469

3 ай бұрын

I didn't know they would be doing this, I am excited AF!

@Frozoken

3 ай бұрын

LET'S GOOOOO (rare amd not disappointing us moment)

@mikidof

3 ай бұрын

curious to see what it can do if someone manages to get a modified vbios running on the GRE

@Fezzy976

3 ай бұрын

if they allow the power limits to go upto 300-320W this could allow for better clocks probably around the 2.3-2.5GHz and allow memory to run at 20Gbps this all should massively improve performance. At least 10% more performance than current benchmarks, if not 15%+

@GewelReal

3 ай бұрын

Never. They locked the overclocking down heavily pretty much just after RX 7900 XTX dropped

the increased power target explains why they decided to give the pulse model three fans for a chip with a nominal tdp slightly lower than the 78xt's two-fan pulse card. this is actually really interesting! thank you as always for the Good Bar Graph Talkies!

It's been YEARS since AIB cards were significantly faster than the stock card, like in this case. Thanks for this follow-follow-up!

@Trisstan20

2 ай бұрын

it always surprise me how good nitro + 6800 XT is doing in GN tests

Sapphire Nitro+ is one of the best Air Cooled GPU's I have ever owned.

@pinakmiku4999

3 ай бұрын

Yes and it costs $50 more!

@Bang4BuckPCGamer

3 ай бұрын

"Worth only 50 pounds more". It's worth every penny. Better Coolimg, better performance. Easy on the ears at 70% fan speed too.

@lodevandenberg5361

3 ай бұрын

@@Bang4BuckPCGamerAnd it looks absolutely beautiful!

@100500daniel

3 ай бұрын

Get the Hellhound instead, less expensive and nearly identical

@tourmaline07

3 ай бұрын

@@pinakmiku4999 I paid an extra £150 for a MSI Suprim X 4080 Super , and it's worth it in lower fan speeds and lower noise , as well as being a nice bit of design. The nearest nVidia equivalent to Nitro+ IMO.... just wish Sapphire and Powercolor would start making Geforce models ;)

The one really important thing just thrown out there at 13:36 lol Thanks for letting us know Steve ^^

@AndyViant

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for picking that up. It's honestly suggesting that close to full 7900XT might be available on the silicon lottery

Steve I’m so sorry to see you had this issue with your review methodology. However for a win here, I love how you have explained the % going from Reference to Reference, Nitro+ to to Nitro+, and Reference to Nitro+. That’s actually super informative and goes a step further than even TechJesus himself. So this is an absolute killer of a “set the record straight” update video. I love it. This is the kind of thing that makes me refer friends and family contemplating builds or upgrades to your channel. Keep on keeping on, King Steve.

Thanks for the 2nd look! BTW, Daniels video this morning on the 7900 GRE Hellhound were interesting. I think the 7900 GRE is the card I've been looking for for my VR rig.

I actually didn’t knew about the lengths you guys go to test base specs I really appreciate that, often you see only people comparing wildly different levels of board partners, you guys do a great job congrats

Thanks for going the extra mile. Keeps me coming back :)

Thank you for revisiting this as I was also getting a little confused with the data that every one was sharing about the card.

Still, the limiting factor of the 7900 GRE is the VRAM. It boggles my mind how AMD paired a 80CU Die with ONLY 18 Gbps memory on a 256Bit wide bus.

@AndyViant

3 ай бұрын

It's pure product stack. They know these can do better. But performance always has price limits and vice versa.

@happybuggy1582

3 ай бұрын

It’s already generous compared to 4070 super Edit: 4070s has 1GB more vram than 1080Ti

@themonkeyking8506

3 ай бұрын

they are binned 7900xt's so they can't make them better it doesn't work like that

@corvoattano9303

3 ай бұрын

​@@AndyViantYeah but they're not competing with themselves in a vacuum, they're competing against the 4070S. Why cripple your own product?

@AndyViant

3 ай бұрын

@@corvoattano9303Why did Nvidia deliberately cripple the 4070 non super? Same reason.

It seems that you have found the best candidate for comparing versions of the same product from different manufacturers

Man, you're awesome. The way you deal with ”mistakes” is really exemplary. It's not even a mistake, it's just an oversight, and you still put in the work to update the data and quickly publish it. Well done.

Dang, I liked seeing the top end from previous lines still being included so we have a reference for those of us still on AMD 6xxx and Nvidia 3xxx series. Didn't expect the whole line up, but it was nice to see the 6950 and 3080 ti's included for at least a reference to older cards.

AMD has pulled another stunt in terms of cards and pricings. Where i live the difference between a RX7800 XT and a RX7900 GRE is around 60 euros while the difference between the RX7900 GRE and the RX7900 XT is around 180 euros. At those price points the GRE seems a no brainer...While the start of the year had the 7800XT dropping it's price it seems it's been kept artificially up as it went up around 20 euros and kept steady for more than 2 months now

wow this might be the first card where its actually worth it to buy a factory oc model

@N4CR5

3 ай бұрын

7900xtx nitro is also worth it (I almost only by Ref cards the last 20 years for a reason). It is about as quick as a 4090 (they clock to 3ghz+) without the PCie connector breaking and 12V power crap. And half the price lol

@nukedathlonman

3 ай бұрын

@hytalefanboi7471 I think you meant cards given that the 7800 XT also saw improved value. 🙂

@albundy06

3 ай бұрын

Um. Are you new to this? Up until very recently, the reference cards have always been "terrible". They had loud blower coolers and ran hotter. Now don't get me wrong, buying the most high end board partner card at way more money than the reference was and still is silly. But so was buying a reference card with an awful cooler instead of a partner card with a better and quieter cooler with a small OC on it. Informed consumers in the DIY gaming market weren't buying OC cards. They were buying cards that ran cooler and didn't sound like a jet engine when playing games. Had zero rpm modes and so on.

@demrasnawla

3 ай бұрын

It's often been worth it, they usually cost the same as the non-OC models and are slightly better binned

@nukedathlonman

3 ай бұрын

These days I find factory OC models fairly quiet in general... But given the girth of many cards (esp. Nvidia ones), it's not all that surprising.

My sapphire nitro 7900xt was ridiculous out of the box, when you add your own overclock on top it insane. I was surprised when I got it as I believe it is the only 7900xt to use ×3 8 pin power.

I think the bigger picture comes down to this: theere is no 'reference' model for the global launch, it is a parner-only launch, the end-user will only be able to buy AIB cards, so to represent what the end-user will experience, and be able to actually purchase, an AIB model must be used.

Much respect steve got doing a follow up video. This is why you guys are one of favorite PC tech channels.

Loved the rereview. Definitely felt it deserved more explanation, and you did an excellent job of delivering that. Thank you!

People saying.. "Id rather buy a 4070 Ti super", really? -7900gre ASRock Chall oc: £533.98 -7900 GRE XFX MERC: £538 -7900 GRE Sapphire PURE: £539.99 RTX4070ti super Zotac gaming Trinity: £769.99 You'd pay 43.3% more? This is priced against the 12GB rtx4070 (with its tiny die and narrow memory bus that makes it cheap to produce) which was $600.

Thanks for the new tests

What can I say, first of all thanks for listening the community by doing additional tests, great job Hardware Unboxed!! 8-15% additional performance costing 10% more than the 7800xt, I see it as a fairly honest thing to be honest, then considering the possibility of being able to "somehow" unlock the limits imposed by AMD, succeeding in this could lead to bring home a nice quality/price gem. As a custom solution the Powercolor Hellhound seems the best for the price, noise, overclocking and temperatures.

Time to retest. AMD unlocked the memory limit

I would like to know how this overclocks, undervolting and abusing the OEM tolerances. i saw a techpowerup article that showed up a 11.7% upgrade margin over the reference card on 3dmark. If we can get a little bit more free performance(5% to 10%) then this new 7900 GRE will be an amazing card. Otherwise just buy a 7800xt

@tienatnguyen5882

3 ай бұрын

Just got mine today. The Memory clock OC is limited to on 2316Mhz much lower than 7800XT. And max gpu clock that I can go is about 2800mhz. I got the Nitro + model so I think that's as far as this gpu can go. I only use Adrenalin to OC and UV tho, not willing to test with MSI afterburner.

@AndyViant

3 ай бұрын

Overclocks are own risk, own skill. There's potential for sure. But that's all on you.

@AndyViant

3 ай бұрын

@@tienatnguyen588213:36 Nuff said. they got reserve they are not using but will be released if the market requires it to make product sell.

@itsmichael415

3 ай бұрын

@@tienatnguyen5882they limit the oc to 2800 core and 2316 memory, the card runs into the frequency limit before the voltage limit. It could boost higher if it weren’t locked down

@Pieteros21

3 ай бұрын

After tinkering with mine 7900gre reference model I think for me overclocking it don't make any sense . Undervolted -70mV and -10% power limit does 2250-2450mhz in games + memory at 2316mhz (maximum) in that combination about 21500pkt in 3dmark fire strike at 225w - max overclock on mine does 2500-2600mhz at 280W and only 9% score increase in 3dmark . 55w for extra 9% performance is not worth for me . Is seems this card is so memory bottlenecked that core overclocking barely does anything . If they unlock more memory overclocking maybe then OC will be worthy

It's not "mistakes made" if two products with the same label are substantially different. But certainly this is a product that has potential to be of interest based on the die, even if there are multiple versions with great variation. You could argue that the VRM differences on the 4070 Super are also exactly the same "problem" in that you have some that can clock to near Ti spec, and others that are artificicially restricted with actually worse VRM's than the stock 4070. If the AIB overclock versions of the GRE are close to the 7900XT version, then they're almost a totally different product, and that needs addressing. Thanks for coming back and doing this. I'm sure you REALLY wanted to come back and do this all over again :) Content is king.

@bluej511

3 ай бұрын

It's for the Chinese market and with all the restrictions between the US and china this is what this GPU is for. It's not AMD issue it's a global issue :)

@AndyViant

3 ай бұрын

@@bluej511no, the 7900XT was well below the "AI tax" threshold.. As was the 7900XTX and 4080.

@elirantuil5003

3 ай бұрын

​@bluej511 this is absolute nonsense. It's an AMD issue all the way.

@bluej511

3 ай бұрын

@@AndyViant right but the GRE was, at the time, for Chinese market only. My guess is AMD trying to compete in price they're releasing it worldwide. It's the GRE not the XT GRE so still named differently.

Thanks for showing this. It was very useful understanding the details.

mate, just happy to see you again LOL I like seeing more HUB content regardless

@iikatinggangsengii2471

2 ай бұрын

yeah i think videos suit me best, specific hw just simply dont have time, and energy

Actually the 7800XT is now worse value, Digital Foundry got it right. If the GRE is 8 10% faster and it s just 10% more expensive, then it s quite fine since the higher up.the stack you go, the more premium you expect to pay against a lesser model. So 7800XT should be 15% cheaper to be a great deal tbh. Same goes for the 4070 and 4070 super, they should come down, especially the vanilla 4070!

Watching this and then the DF review right after definitely raised some eyebrows, I know your testing methodologies are quite different but the result was uncommonly different, so I'm not surprised to see this video come out. Great work as always! I do believe in HUB testing over any others at the end of the day.

I'm glad you guys did an updated review as the overall review seemed to be an outlier compared to other similar review outlets. I saw/read a few reviews prior to HUBs and the overall gist that I got was the card is somewhat perfect for folks who want cheap lower end 1440p 4k gaming with reasonable expectations. The games also matter as some 1440p and 4k resolution settings mean the games will attempt to use all the vram and larger textures. This is where the nvidia line that isn't a 4090 appear to stumble much like the 970 with it's 3.5Gb debacle back in the day.

Love the attention to detail in your videos. Keep it up.

Good job, Steve. The extra data will be useful.

time steve could've spent sleeping

@Mrhandyhitman

3 ай бұрын

Facts

@benjaminoechsli1941

3 ай бұрын

Instead, he spends it making sure to get things right. It's why I'm subbed.

Thanks for taking the time to validate scores.

This could actually be an exciting card for overclocking of they remove memory oc limits and ideally increase power limit offset further. The gains could be substantial, unlike most cards on the market these days.

@w00t692

3 ай бұрын

The GPU shader clock is also limited to 2800 They need to do more than just increase the VRAM limits. You won't need an increased power budget with a max clock that low.

@Pieteros21

3 ай бұрын

For me overclocking gains are minimal 400mhz more on core and only 9% but 100mhz on memory and 5% increase (talking about 3dmark time spy scores ) ... But undervolting is really good - at 225w and -70mV it keeps clocks about stock level and combine that with memory at 2316mhz to get 5-7% better performance than stock at just 225w - probably most energy efficient rdna3 card .

@haukionkannel

3 ай бұрын

Just make a chunt mod replace original memory with faster, and install custom bios 😂

Lots of people would love a reevaluation as soon as the unrestricted driver update gets released.

The level of integrity and professionalism shown here is above and beyond - thanks for this particular effort :)

The 7900GRE and XT have a lot of juice in the tank. They want you to not overclock it, so they can release a 7950 version at some point in time, where they push the power limits for some good gains. And charge you an extra 50-100$ for it. It wouldn't be the first time they did this. Also. The OC does help in bandwidth starved scenarios or boostclock starved scenarios.

@zodwraith5745

3 ай бұрын

To be fair that would make them look even worse compared to 40 series' efficiency.

@keksauce

2 ай бұрын

@@zodwraith5745to be fair that only really matters in the European market where Nvidia is already much more expensive compared to AMD, so not that big of a deal

@gruiadevil

2 ай бұрын

@@zodwraith5745 nVidia has s 10% more FPS/Watt but prices their products +25% more If AMD would push 20% more performance from OC by pushing 20% more Watts, the ratio of FPS/Watt would be the same AMD uses a 6nm and 5nm node, and nVidia uses a 5nm node The difference is minimal It's not like Intel, which is on 10nm, therefore requiring Double the Watts to match AMD performance on 5nm

Im glad you showed all 12 games' individual charts. Showing a few and then an avg or just the average isnt acceptable

Congrats on 1 mil!!

“Hold up, wait a minute, some’n ain’t right”

@chexmixkitty

3 ай бұрын

Hold up, wait a minute. Put a little love in it.

@AlexHusTech

3 ай бұрын

"Hold up wait a minute. Let me put some kush up in it"

@Coles-bootleg-vids

3 ай бұрын

​@@chexmixkittygiga chad, still one of the best bands imo.

Respect HUB for doing this re review, it s relevant to see how much of a difference a good board partner model can make for the 7900 GRE!

I would like to see a Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800xt VS 7900GRE video. The Gaming OC models are usually right at MSRP with an occasional $10 sale now and then. At least for the 7800xt model in the past month. Also if AMD does indeed fix overclocking on the GRE models I would like to see another heads up between the Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800xt overclocked VS 7900GRE overclocked as I believe these models are popular due to their pricing at MSRP and more consumers would want to see what these MSRP cards are capable of. Since the Sapphire Nitro versions are usually above MSRP it would be safe to assume they are purchased less by consumers than the Gaming OC’s so I believe it would reach a broader audience is when testing the overclocked potential of these two cards to use MSRP versions of the cards. Thank you for your time and for the videos!

Yesss was hoping for this video!

Mad respect for correcting the oversight! It's more good data for potential buyers and we'll take it. Either way, you guys are helping us with adding this data and that is praise worthy. Keep doing your thing HUB.

@NadeemAhmed-nv2br

3 ай бұрын

Not an oversight really, oced version that cost more shouldn't be highlighted as main performance because people paying msrp aren't going to be getting oc cards that cost $50 more

@Akkbar21

3 ай бұрын

He made no oversight. People are just simple

@Akkbar21

3 ай бұрын

@@NadeemAhmed-nv2brexactly. My strix 3080 12gb is faster than stock version as well. That’s how things work. If the mfg cranks the frequency and power budget, card go faster. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Weird complaints from so many commenters.

what amd should focus on is reducing rx 7600 xt price to $300 & 7600 to $250. the budget segment needs more attention.

@sirmonkey1985

3 ай бұрын

if nvidia doesn't do it then they won't do it. there's no real benefit to them to lower prices, you're just replacing profit margin with volume sales which ends up being a wash. it's the same problem in the cell phone market where everyone is chasing apples prices instead of using it as a competition tool because consumers have been pushed into this idea that price equals quality and in very few niche markets that's true but that's rarely the case these days.

@defeqel6537

3 ай бұрын

@@sirmonkey1985 volume would not necessarily be a bad thing here though, since the N6 process has plenty of capacity. That said, they still seem to have plenty of 6600s to sell, suggesting that the buyers in this price range aren't looking to upgrade / are upgrading to used cards. As long as there are unsold 6600s, the 7600 isn't likely to see much of a price drop, at least not until Navi 44 based products release.

This was an unusually large difference between reference and partner version. The "reference" model in this case is really only a China spec model. Good on you for retesting, it's much more practical info in this case. When the value proposition is so close between these cards a few percent difference is actually worth considering.

I was waiting for this Video. First, I watched your video on the 7900GRE test, and the conclusion was to avoid this card. After that, I watched DF and Nexus videos, and the conclusion was positive.

@w00t692

3 ай бұрын

He still has essentially the same conclusion if you're excited about the 7900 GRE why weren't you excited about the 7800 XT?

@djerradabderrahim

2 ай бұрын

Mostly because here where i live the price of 7800XT is same as 7900GRE@@w00t692

Proper follow up 👍 Thank you

Considering the limited memory bandwith, could you please check out how much you can squeeze out of the 7900GRE with overclocking the memory frequency? Im guessing sapphire is doing exactly that, to get to the Performance they have, including the better meomorycooling they implemented. I cant find a hint at their website what memory frequency they have, but maybe have a look at that. Thanks again for you amazing content, always watching!

I know this card has been out for about a year in china but driver updates might help in the future. I hope there will be optimization and we get a revist of the revist of the revisit of the review.

Well done HUB! Very transparent, thank you!

I just bought the hellhound version. Looking forward to my upgrade from my rx 5600 xt

Got my gre running at 2.5ghz at like 80c and 280w, thing is a beast

@Akmpkm32

3 ай бұрын

what was the perf upliftment?

@vadski3469

3 ай бұрын

@@Akmpkm32 the what?

@vickyperera4203

3 ай бұрын

​@vadski3469 stock vs oc how big is the difference?🥺

@BenState

3 ай бұрын

@@Akmpkm32 upliftment... lol

@vadski3469

3 ай бұрын

@@vickyperera4203 haven't measured exactly, I always just ran it oc'ed from the day I got it

Interesting to see how partner models actually make a difference again. In the old days you could sometimes see a pretty big difference over default specs. I wonder how the other models compare.

@demnogonis346

3 ай бұрын

This is because the 7900gre is a special case... AMD has heavily nerfed it in terms of memory speed, consumption and bus. Despite the strong constraints imposed, every increase in frequencies makes those 80 CUs better exploited, even when buying a custom card I recommend overclocking the memories to the maximum possible (stable)... even if it could perform even better if someone comes up with some firmware to unlock the latent power of the card, if this were the case things will get really interesting for the price.

The 7900GRE is exactly where it should be: half way between the 7800 adlnd the 7900XT, both in price an performances. Thechnically is closer in price to the 7800XT, which is a nice thing. It makes sense with the upgrade in performances to the 4070 super

@__Pathfinder__

2 ай бұрын

The 7900XT is AVG 30% faster than the 7800XT and the GRE only 5%. Your math is not the best...

I would like to see the GRE with a decent OC, especially the memory , 30% more cores really should allow a greater bump than seen.

Happy to rewatch the review of the re re review I rewatched already

As always, great content. thank you

AMD today admitted driver bug that limits OCing. Hopefully we can unleash more crippled potential via manual oc'ing, something that is probably worthwhile with this card. Why even use N31 if you are going to cripple the card so heavily. Needed 20Gb/s memory and 200MHz higher clocks.

@laurentiudll

2 ай бұрын

"driver bug"

Love a good ol' Gre-test of a product to see the changes.

Oh so that's why it was always behind the 4070s in rasterization... I was like "wait a minute, this can't be right". Glad you updated it steve.

@elirantuil5003

3 ай бұрын

He didn't correct it, he updated it. It's mostly on AMD for releasing it with the ridiculous power target they did.

@helljester8097

3 ай бұрын

The made by amd 7900 gre isn’t any faster than it was before what correction are you talking about?

@kosmosyche

3 ай бұрын

Idk, where I live I don't even see any reference AMD models of GRE for sale in our shops (weren't they made exclusively for China market?), but I see plenty of Sapphires, XFX and Powercolor GRE cards made for the Western market release. So as a consumer I kinda prefer when people review the actual products available, not something I can't even buy without jumping through hoops. So in this sense it is a correction in terms of providing better relevancy and more helpful data to consumers.

@davidepannone6021

3 ай бұрын

@@elirantuil5003Yes. I meant updated it. I'll correct my original comment. thanks :)

@CaptainKenway

3 ай бұрын

@@kosmosycheThe reference 7900 GRE is available for sale here in Europe. A bunch of local retailers have them in, along with the partner cards. So no, it's definitely not China-exclusive and is available for purchase right now. Seems like AMD are the ones confusing people, not Steve.

For markets outside of China they should have just called this the Radeon 7900.

what would be good prices for amd lineup: 7600 needs to be 219 7600 xt needs to be 279 7700 xt needs to be 349 7800 xt needs to be 429 7900 gre needs to be 499 7900 xt needs to be 599 7900 xtx needs to be 749

@AndyViant

3 ай бұрын

I need to buy a new house for a packet of salt and vinegar smiths and a can of coke too. Doesn't mean it will happen.

@defeqel6537

3 ай бұрын

Probably will happen as 6600 stock dries up and RDNA4 launch gets closer

@Luke-pp2lw

3 ай бұрын

Nah, that’s too low

@haukionkannel

3 ай бұрын

And lakes should be wine😂😂😂

@-Noble

2 ай бұрын

@@AndyViant no one said it would... i am just dreaming out loud here

Well for price to performance its not to shabby but all gpus will have different results due to bins. They really should have called it a 7850xt or gre its just not 7900 class...

@georgwarhead2801

3 ай бұрын

actualy, the die itself is still a navi31 die and not a navi32 die like on the 7800xt, but just a little bit faster memory would have helped that card a lot to close the gap between the 7800 and 7900xt

@defeqel6537

3 ай бұрын

Golden rabbits are heavy, so they slow the card down..

@darudesandstorm7002

3 ай бұрын

It's a Navi31 die so 7900SE might've been more appropriate.

@georgwarhead2801

3 ай бұрын

@@defeqel6537 ....🙄

Regarding loosening the OC limits, I'll believe it when I see it. Look forward to the video if it happens!

You need to put more older cards into these comparisons, i feel like an RTX 2080 and an RX 5700 would have provided so much important information

While currently OOS at amazon and newegg, $579.99 is the listed price for the Nitro+ version. That really starts to encroach on the $700 7900XT. I bought a PowerColor HellHound XTX on sale for $900 and do not envision a need to upgrade anytime soon. Especially as I upgraded from an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3. RT? don't care. GN and others all had different performance numbers from you and each other. It was nice to see a re-test and AMD just released a new driver 24.2.1. If you're one of the lucky few, MicroCenter has (had?) the reference 6950XT for $550. Too bad AMD can't/won't keep making the 6950XT and sell it for $550-600. I would guess the 80 CU GRE would have a few production advantages over the 7800XT and both the 7900XT/XTX versions would be better still. And for $$$$$$$$ is no object, the 4090.

Do you think it would be a good idea to start categorizing or collating by the underlying engine that a game is using? It strikes me this is going to become quite important as Unreal Engine 5 games start becoming increasingly more common.

@VideogamesAsArt

Ай бұрын

this might be truly relevant, yeah. on the other hand, if most games are on UE5, it makes sense most games tested are UE5 too

Great review!

Oh would love to see what can be done in overclocking. If only because of the N31 chip specs difference in the 7900 GRE, 7900 XT and 7800 XT.

Now this is dedication. Thanks Steve!

7900 GRE is basically the real 7800XT and the 7800XT is really a 7800 non-xt.

Very nice to see a correction video this fast.

I'm hoping the RAM clocking bug gets resolved and we can OC the memory a bit to close the gap to the 7900 XT.

Amd fukced up again 😂 They call OC limitation a bug 😅😂

Could you next time include a section/table the advertised specs (reference/Nitro). And perhaps even observed clocks and power consumption? Would be valuable to know if it is a higher power target which allows for longer periods of boost, or if the cards can maintain a higher clock. Looks like the Nitro+ has a Thermal Board Power of 290W vs 260W reference. And the the clocks are 2391 MHz vs 2245 MHz

And to think that I submitted that very question about the differences between the cheap and the expensive versions of gpu's to the last Q&A and it got ignored... kinda funny imo.

as owner of XFX Merc 6800 XT, i am very content with my GPU choice :) seeing 7900 GRE OC potentical should be interesting tho!

Memory bandwidth is killing this card at stock. It’s almost a regular 7900 in terms of core count, but the slow memory gives it less bandwidth than a 7800XT and really drags it down in any game that is bandwidth-hungry. If it can hit the 19.5GB/s of the 7800XT it should pull ahead a decent amount.

~+10% more performance for ~+10% higher price vs. 7800 XT, which is one of the better price/performance models, sounds decent to me

@Hardwareunboxed

2 ай бұрын

It's okay. Hardly amazing.

So from this we can conclude that when sapphire made their nitro+ version of the 7900 GRE, they must have made some other change that helped make it a better "improvement" over the base card than when they did the same for the 7800 XT version

Interesting thanks!

I think this makes it very interesting and complicated, because I think it is possible to buy a GRE that doesn't have the extra performance, because the extra cooler doesn't have the performance of what would be possible. So we need to watch out way more while recommending a GRE

Interesting, I recently upgraded one of my rigs to 7800 xt and was bummed out when the 7900 gre was released. I was like really? I could have waited I couple months, but I managed to get my 7800 xt for 450ish USD, so I think I got a decent deal. Mostly since the cards don't seem as different as I thought at first glance.

@Roland_Deschain

3 ай бұрын

Which model? Regardless 450 usd is good price for concurrent market.

@IsaacPoopsAlot

3 ай бұрын

I did the same bro, it's still a great deal and a great card. I bet ppl are feeling bad getting a 4070 when the Super came out, it's typical but our cards are still valuable and perform really good.

@Hemeltijd

3 ай бұрын

Honestly, the waiting game is always a losing one. There will always be more hardware coming out that outdoes whatever you can buy now. A good deal at a good time is something you should be content with and proud of. I got my 4090 for 500 less than I usually see them go for because PNY models aren't very popular here. I am on a clock too, but I'm glad I got that good deal halfway through last year.

@omnisemantic1

3 ай бұрын

Unless the GRE OCs much better than what is currently possible - which might actually be the case if AMD indeed unlocks the sliders as they told HUB they will - you didn't miss on anything. It's basically a 10% faster card for 10% more money (7800XT also OCs very well).

@aersla1731

3 ай бұрын

@@Roland_Deschain The powercolor hellhound.

I feel like both 7900GRE and 7900XT gonna drop about $50 more to compete with the supers.

Have we gotten used to all models of the same GPU performas about the same?

@Hardwareunboxed WDYT about conducting a double overclocking battle between 7900GRE + 7900XT vs 4070S + 4070TiS ? Many of the newer cards seem to be artificially capped in terms of power limits so I'm wondering what gains you could get from AIB cards that provide some free air for increasing those limits.

Thanks Steve

I am considering this card to upgrade my 6800XT but I think the speedup isn't that great yet. I think I am going to wait for next gen

@Radek494

2 ай бұрын

100% wait for next gen, 6800 XT is still powerful

I fully expect oc to be a decent boost to performance. The proximity to 7800xt performance was quite a surprise for me, no way this card can't do more if you can get the memory clocked a bit higher and those 33% extra cu's a bit more power