I have to say, this was one of those things I always assumed was a Jagex inside job, it was just one of those common knowledge things for me. But this makes one of my favourite stories from Runescape history, and flips it on its head. So cool!

I remember smokin mils, probably before they became big. I was in their FC while we pumped up dragon darts for like two weeks. The day before we were scheduled to sell, however, I dumped all of mine because I wasn't going to be the idiot holding the bags. This caused a sell off at 3am with all the other people in the FC and the head mods of the chat were the ones that woke up holding the bags lmfao. Easiest 20M I made in my life.

@Sanguivore

Жыл бұрын

Bro, merching the merchers back in those days was so fun.

As always, an exceptional video. This is, I admit, far after I'd stopped playing (was always more of a classic player, but have an on-again off-again relationship with oldschool), but it is the type of thing you still see people murmur about every now and again. At this point, you've destroyed lots of misinformation, from all eras of the game. It's been really cool to see just how much your content has evolved.

honestly, the idea that they converted climbing boots to rock-climbing boots just sounds like one hell of a lapse in judgement. would have probably been seen as a waste of an update and only added for the sake of ulterior motives, like Dealaga (mostly to deal w/Dragon Scimitar merchant clans) and Butterchurns (probably anchored most of the cheese/butter from culinaromancer chest).

@lilbpack2100

Жыл бұрын

this. so dumb. just make a new item!!!. seems SUS!

Your channel is quickly becoming one of my favourite rs channels. Keep up the great content!

i gotta say, your channel is miles above and beyond any other RS channel (to be fair any channel) the amount of time and effort you throw into these videos are insane and it truly shows. great job man, and i’m happy i got to see you grow. keep the awesome videos coming

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

Man I love these videos, I don’t play anymore but this is probably my favorite rs content channel.

Logdotzip was having an affair with my father at the time, Mod Mark disapproved of this and therefore the ban was placed on him

@nahCmeR

Жыл бұрын

Oh ok that checks out

@LongManLarry

Жыл бұрын

@@nahCmeR it’s true, it tore apart my family. And other things…

@TheSektor47

Жыл бұрын

@@LongManLarry so sorry. I feel terrible for your family:(

@LongManLarry

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSektor47 thanks sektor I appreciate the kind words, It was a very traumatizing event in my childhood

@burritolover5082

Жыл бұрын

I bet you were the funniest guy on Facebook back in the day

Why not take it the other direction? Make all climbing boots have no strength bonus, release the new rock climbing boots? That causes people to lose money sure, but the value shift would do far less damage. Going from 200 gp to zero is much less than going from 200 to 75,000.

@montgomeryfortenberry

Жыл бұрын

They could have done lots of things. They could have just added the shop interface and let the market sort itself out and not added the new boots

What a thrilling story, what a splendid presentation, what an absolute king of making RS videos (that I might have not known I needed)

Almost spit out my coffee at 03:09. S-tier quality as always!

The rs community really hasn't changed in a decade

@Spartan_767

Жыл бұрын

Hi hanannie

@nintendude1988

Жыл бұрын

And it won't in the next decade

@Dandosa1

Жыл бұрын

Bruh

@t1mmys

Жыл бұрын

Bruh

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

Neither has the sparkle in your eyes but no one's rioting about that

These videos got me back into osrs and make my work day so much faster. Thanks for some lit content.

This is crazy. I've heard the climbing boots mentioned in the past, but hearing Logdotzip's name mentioned here made me lose it, I had no idea he used to make videos about runescape

Top tier channel. Its so so quality. I hope to edit like you someday, and fix my mic lol subscribed

your channel is insane man, the amount of knowledge with things I had no clue about but only wondered as a young runescape noob.

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Really glad you're enjoying the knowledge. It's super fun for me to learn about these topics as I research them too. I've been about since 2004 and are told the same stories as everyone else, so digging into them and finding the truth is mega exciting

@hunterhass04

Жыл бұрын

@@rswillmissit Yeah we always knew there was some crazy stuff going on behind the scenes, but it's cool to get all the backstory on most of the stuff.

Seeing all these clips from 2008-2010 really hit me in the nostalgia

the way you are able to commentate on things is really something. editing makes you feel like you're really watching a movie.

I remmeber seeing the price of boots as a kid and tried to buy them all from the npc not knowing it was already 75k. RIP 4m.

i was literally binging your videos, and just saw this posted, cool!

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

Nice!

Absolutely love the passive aggression in these videos :D The production quality is always top tier. Solid job again Will, almost at the big 100k now!

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

Only when they deserve it :')

@yt.personal.identification

Жыл бұрын

@@rswillmissit Looks for past evidence on a forum where the defendant can remove posts. Thinks its definitive.

@flailed5162

Жыл бұрын

My man, good to see ya alive and well

These documentaries are so good. Will, you should start a channel where you bust politicians or corporations!

Fun Random info. And something I used when I got back into osrs. Spinning flax to bowstring is an AMAZING way for new players to to take any small amount of money and turn it into a fortune if they put the time in. You can buy flax for 1-3gp and sell bowstrings for 100gp instantly most the time. Gp per hour is horrible. But return on investment is insane. My story starting osrs is As soon as I hit level 15 crafting I spent all my money on flax, spun them out and repeated until I was at a good enough crafting level to create jade or topaz amulets. Used the money to get runes to get get my magic up to enchant them. Made for a fantastic start to a character. Especially when I went to pvp worlds a bit later for free loot lol. Combat level was like 28 or something, i think I only had like 14-15 hp at the time so I was an easy kill. Until I got my runes out at like 62 magic i just started blasting. Good times.

logdotzip becoming a youtuber with over 4 million subs was the coolest part of the video... very well put together and informative video

Thanks for your content, I really enjoy all your videos, closed caption and your clear voice is a good help to learn English, we want more content about bots, bye bye and good luck

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Fantastisk video som alltid 😍

I never knew that there was this much to it, amazing video as per usual

Peperidge farm remembers

I remember playing when this update had happened. People somehow had inside knowledge about this happening, I remember one guy flashing me over 70k+ of climbing boots he had bought pre-emptively to the price change.

@Robin...222

Жыл бұрын

And i went to the moon

@Flowers_Die

Жыл бұрын

@@Robin...222 It's true. I promise you this is true. There may not be evidence out there but I remember there were people with over 1k boots.

@eprimchad2576

Жыл бұрын

@@Flowers_Die 1k boots which is confirmed is not the same as 70k boots lol

@CabbageGod

Жыл бұрын

Source: Trust me bro!

@Robin...222

Жыл бұрын

@@Flowers_Die 1k maybe but 70k come on man

To add some context on my comment in the video (very well done by the way) my friend that told me was an irl friend at school (this was early highschool). I don't know (or remember) how he knew about the update but when he called me on Skype it was like the most urgent thing in the world that I buy as many boots as I can. To which I gave up after like an hour or so because the shop was always empty. I'll talk with him later to see if he remembers or I'm just going through a false memory of the whole situation. Edit: I misremembered the event

Conspiracy theory: RSwillmissit is secretly Leminio’s second channel.

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

He's such an inspiration

The best channel on KZread! Great video!

Sailing is the next skill, saw someone in a boat out in the ocean. *proceeds to lie about dragons*

I just used climbing boots for the Edgar’s Ruse quest yesterday. Crazy

The quality never drops on these!

Remember the Jiblix videos? A lot of those bots were very likely indirectly funded by insiders at Jagex tipping off the mega billionaires, gambling clans, etc. at the time. Regardless of whether Climbing Boots was one of those updates, it was obvious to us that inside tippers had been in the community for a long time. It wasn't just this one time or a select few people. I wouldn't be surprised if it was still happening, especially with Old School.

So close to 100k!!

I played a lot at this time but only had 6-7 boots, was surprised to see them go up so much but didn't make too much profit, i actually didn't even sell them all, i think i might still have them but in 2022 probably not worth a lot.

This is honestly such a good video, I’m sure so many can remember this and think back to better times in their life.

How do you not have 1 million subs yet. Well deserved

damn this brings back memories.. this is the exact update that made me quit, i literally had like 1-3 climbing boots so i didnt profit from it at all while i saw everyone including friends getting so filthy rich from it, got me demotivated to continue playing

@wengeance8962

Жыл бұрын

Nice reason to quit.

@scrubplaceholder6216

Жыл бұрын

Okay Jordol van de Kiekeboe. Wie gaat er nu met zijn echte naam op internet, dan ben je niet goed.

@quintenboosje2437

Жыл бұрын

You also missed out on bitcoin, now ragequit from life. stupid reason, don't expect sympathy.

@jj66123

Жыл бұрын

relatable

@chesney9077

Жыл бұрын

@@scrubplaceholder6216 Wacht tot je het concept van sociale media ontdekt, the horror.

Cool story, I must have missed this at the time! Not sure about the last point though. With a week's notice, maybe one account could only get a few 100 pairs, but couldn't someone make enough alts to reach a few thousand?

Between the screenshot of the price manipulation through rares and the joke about not seeing this in politics.. bravo willmissit!

Back in 2007-08 or 09-10... I used to love finding glitches in the game, I had found a couple and then met and joined svew and his clan but I never played seriously, and left all that behind me, seeing his name and brag about the p mod forums is nostalgic, in a personal way. Good times indeed.

You know the climbing boots leak was serious business when 12 years later Jagex is still paying KZreadrs to cover it up.

another banger video, keep em coming !

The amount of work you put into these vids is unbelievable. RuneScape has an absolutely fascinating history.

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

It's actually wild how much history has gone down in this game

great video as always!

From 3:04 to 3:11, earned you an instant like and I'll be watching this later. Gold so far.

Hold on to thread. Its the main item for sailing. Will function similar to planks. But previous thread is upgraded to the next tier.

I remember seeing all the stuff about climbing boots when it was going down. The memories lol

Imagine Jagex made you make this video so players would finally drop it and believe them (least paranoid rs player). Great vid :D

something we all have tro realize is that most of us were kids at the time of these updates. no one really cared about the facts of the matter, probably neither knew how to get those facts. i just remember hearing about it and taking it as the truth. i didnt even try to find out if it was true or not, i was like 11, i didnt care lol. but i also didnt participate in riots, i just heard about it and moved on at the time.

Appreciate you as always Will

This whole time i thought your name was Rswillsmith. Vey fitting

A friend told me that his friend dad daughter cousin knew about this update before launch.

I still recall this event quite clearly (and also recall how back then I wished I had a time-machine so that I could warn my younger self about these boots... because clearly I had missed out on a great opportunity). The old climbing boots weren't just used for PK'ing, but were also seen as a 'poor mans dragon boots', as they gave a very similar amount of strength boost. I still remember how I used them during Corporeal Beast masses. Back then... GP was still very valuable and not many had very large cash-stacks, so to suddenly see these items be artificially increased in price was... just flabbergasting. It just didn't 'feel' right, and Jagex claims regarding the fact that nobody really got rich off of this just felt... 'off'. And then you indeed had the whole 'muted LogDotZip' thing happening which made everything feel so much shadier. Especially these days we know that Jagex doesn't always have the correct information, which we 'think' they'd have. (i.e. supposed fake item recoveries for insane amounts of water battlestaffs/other valuable items, or people abusing bugs with the Ambassador) It all just leads me to not trust Jagex's word.

@hairdeerdsIJd

Жыл бұрын

I would buy bitcoin 😂

@bradwad

Жыл бұрын

climbing boots were always used for pking

@bradwad

Жыл бұрын

ignore this read ur comment wrong

@626lancer

Жыл бұрын

It's like you didn't watch the conclusion of the video where Jagex were pretty much right about everything and that the "distrust" was fake and blown out of proportion.

@Sanguivore

Жыл бұрын

@@626lancer You're assuming they were telling the truth, and that's a lot of trust to place in a company that has been wrong/lied about plenty of things before.

I 100% benefited. I had a maxed 1 defense pure back then and I had thousands of pk gear sets/loadouts. That included literally 5000 or so monks robes, black d hide chaps, mith gloves, etc….oh, and climbing boots ofc. I made a lot of money. Great memories.

Man, the community was so painfully innocent at the time, and the internet being so underdeveloped and easy to manipulate didn't help. I remember "Pics or it didn't happen" being a thing back in the day.

@AndrewWhitham

Жыл бұрын

Pics or it didn't happen is still law

@bartdegryse9345

Жыл бұрын

We were all so young back then x)

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

@@bartdegryse9345 Hey what do you mean, I'm still young

@bartdegryse9345

Жыл бұрын

@@rswillmissit obviously I was just messing around. And holy shit, you responded to a comment of mine 🙈😬😄.

odd to see mark hulmes casually mentioned as a runescape mod lol

Before I watch this: Jagex obviously would have talked among themselves with the price increase. I’m sure some employees capitalized on this with their personal accounts buying tons of climbing boots. Having the inside knowledge would be crazy! Great video btw!

@Gibberish434

Жыл бұрын

Especially when you consider the rampant corruption among the JMods.

Jagex: (inhales) RS Community: (Glares)

it should be nice if you would figure out why mod reach got kicked out of the jagex team as the rumor says he was planning on implementing huge bugs into the game but i don't think anyone ever figured out the real reason or what actually happened

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

Yeah - the community doesn't know what happened and are only left with speculations. Reach doesn't want to talk about it either, so getting the exact information would be tricky. I have a few reliable sources who's told me pieces of the story, but nothing to really combine it all. Too many missing pieces, unfortunately

You flipped (no pun intended) my opinion on this matter, thanks for the in-depth information

Logdotzip... was not expecting to Har that name. His channel has definitely taken a turn in recent years

When Logdotzip was mentioned I recalled hearing that name but when you said it was the one who now makes minecraft videos shocked me. Didn't expect he played runescape in 2010

"GF, wake up. A new willmissit video is out"

The humor in the video is so good X D Blurring everything except 'fuck you jagex' realy got me

Another great documentary

My god, this was 12 years ago. Even though I enjoy current Runescape, most of my most vivid memories are from 10+ years ago.

TIL Logdotzip is actually the guy from back in the RS days lmao

Hi as someone who was in the Minecraft community the fucking reveal that logdotzip from RuneScape became logdotzip from Minecraft fucking blew my mind. I had no idea. I only discovered this channel today

One thing to add is that the ge price had a suspicious hike just before the update so I think the minor leak theory is good

@Mortyst

Жыл бұрын

Got more info in this? It contradicts the video, which says the GE price was fixed to 212 gp at that time.

Kind of funny that the ad I got was for a foot and ankle doctor all because there was "boots" in the title lol

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

All a part of the big picture

@PERC_-ANGLE

Жыл бұрын

That’s called an algorithm my friend

Honestly it’s insane that logdotzip was involved in here for me, as Minecraft was my first hyperfixation I had, and now the past of my past has come to see me once more.

One small correction - that 212 coins was a hard cap. It wasn't just that the GE mid price couldn''t go above that - the item could not be bought or sold above that price even with that as the mid value.

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

I mention this in the video - the max price to be bought and sold for was 222 after the shop interface was introduced. 212 was mid price, 222 was +5% as the system allowed at the time.

@ixiolirion8781

Жыл бұрын

@@rswillmissit That's what I'm correcting. The mid and max price would have BOTH been 212gp.

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

@@ixiolirion8781 I believe that's already reflected in the video? The price ceiling was 212 (200+12 as mentioned in the video) and the price never budged, as shown. People traded them for +5% (222). Maybe I'm confused about what you mean

@ixiolirion8781

Жыл бұрын

@@rswillmissit Basically, some items had hard price caps on the GE - a ceiling which meant that not only could the GE mid price not go over this cap, but the GE max price couldn't either, or a price floor meaning that they could not be traded under this price (this latter group got treated as junk). So if the GE mid price was the same as the upper price cap, as it was here, then that 5% didn't exist. The most the item could be traded for on the GE was 0% above the GE mid price because that mid price was at the cap. As this ceiling for climbing boots was 212 coins there was no way to sell them for 222. Of course, people could sell in player to player trades for higher, but this was set by their trade limits, not by a % figure.

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

Hmm, is there any proof of this that'd back it up? I don't remember that far back to tell myself, but all the sources I've found all claim the same - that the max price on the GE was 5% over mid. The GE price ceiling only dictated the maximum value an item could increase above shop value, but I haven't seen anything in my research to support the idea that also restricted the +5% system that was in place. It only meant the items mid value wouldn't increase with it.

Love the vids

It's stuff like this that I start kicking myself for not buying thousands of climbing boots. As if I could have predicted this happening lol

I remember this really well; it was huge at the time!

Very well made video!

love this type of content

"thats not the runescape way" me: looks side to side from the drop party that i scored 150m from and still live off to this day

I remember trying to buy boots before the update. Getting over 350k of them? Not likely that would’ve taken a lot of time. A lot more time where when he started he wouldn’t know they would’ve went that high

No one tell him the B is silent

when he first said 'logdotzip' i was like THE MINECRAFT KZreadR?? THAT I WATCHED AS A KID?? and then i paused to scroll aaaaalll the way through a decade worth of videos, didn't see any runescape, thought 'huh. must be a coincidence' and then 19:13 hit me like a truck

I heard about the price hike on climbing boots a few days before they went live and spent the entire time buying climbing boots and made a shitload of money. got 99 prayer. I also told a ton of people about it

Crazy I don’t play this game no more but watch anything rs related miss it some times

But was it really a game integrity issue? I don’t think so.

wasn't there something similar when the new dinosaur bosses came out? There were a small few that had so many zerker rings

Awesome video sir!

Was some of this video filmed on HDOS? :O

@rswillmissit

Жыл бұрын

It was indeed!

I used to be a general in Smokin Mils back in the day!

ugh i remember this too clearly, just like the jealously i remember feeling back then.

I remember this update when it happened and it was like... WTF? oh boy here we go again another dumb Jagex update (bad updates happened all the time around this point). I looked in my bank and had like ~50 of them. I was like ooo sweet free mills. Still thought it was dumb, but also felt like, at least I didn't miss out.

A huge part of Runescape history is wondering if you actually remember these events

@cheetah219

Жыл бұрын

The two for me. Falafor massacre -- I remember I logged on like an hour or two after the massacre finished since my buddy and I went to a movie first then we originally planned to play instead of see the movie to literally run rune essence in the mines since that was a skill we were both training (he would mine, I would run and later rune craft). But we were tired of the grind and were like...let's just see a movie and then play for a bit. Great decision when we were wondering wtf was going on and what people were talking about. The world's were PACKED The falador drop party, the famous parry hats. I remember BEING there and missing most of the drops. I got one party hat and kept it for years...until my account was locked and lost after I either lost the password or got hacked...to this day, never found out

"Heck some people were so illiterate that they confused Mod Mark, a lead designer, and Mod MMG, the Ceo and started claiming that Mark Gerhard was the one who leaked the info." Lmao, I can tell you half of these OSRS are illterate, and the other half are too stupid to realize they are illterate almost 10 years later.

This is better than netflix docus lol awesome!

Will miss it we miss you! Hope you are doing well my friend!❤

Smokin Mils for life ~ Foxeh

those good days, i was merching climbing boots.... i over 40k boots. i stopped playing after the trade restriction. logged in years later... sold everything and made a osrs account