What do you think about the numbers and the conclusions? Should I invite Kramnik on my podcast to discuss all this?

@finelord

2 ай бұрын

what’s the point? will it bring anything new or just let the same things be reiterated once again? if the former - sure, make a podcast. if the latter… what’s the point? but with all the respect to mr mustreader, I don’t think he’s able to crack such nuts yet.

@rezamind5708

2 ай бұрын

If you invite Kramnik in person and have a Zoom call with Hikaru at the same time, making them discuss the issue at the same time responding possible questions of each other, it would be a LEGENDARY podcast.

@christiang3388

2 ай бұрын

Invite him and read my comment below and discuss it with Kramnik. What do you think about my suggestion?

@JoCRuff

2 ай бұрын

Whould be great!

@yagamilight1231

2 ай бұрын

invite Wesley :3

I'm delighted to find someone who actually understands Kramnik's arguments and represents his side of the issue fairly. Great summary, well done.

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

Here's a telltale sign for you - the host loves YOUR comment.. why? bc it represents Kram's side.. I got no more questions, Your Honor.. case closed

@Chris.M

2 ай бұрын

Completely agree. Kramnik should not be taken lightly.

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

@@Chris.M and nobody does.. in chess.. but not in pie recipes.. or math.. he just finished high school..sorry to blow your bubble

@Chris.M

2 ай бұрын

@user-kc6wu2gc2m sorry to blow your bubble, but he is a world champion and so is very entitled to his opinion; more than you and I. Saying this, I absolutely think that cheating in chess is going wild.

Podcast with Kramnik is a great idea, but we need a podcast with guys from "second group" also, especially podcast with Jospem or Hans Niemann

@anandbenegal

2 ай бұрын

I second this. You need an even dialogue.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

Last year I played in the same open tournament in Kazakhstan as Hans, spoke to him a bit. He refuses to go on podcasts, unfortunately. Seems like he didn’t like that experience on the British late night TV show

Very interesting video! Thank you!

Podcast is great idea, but please be ready for this podcast, since Kramnik can shift the conversation into different path.

@sergeykostrov7948

2 ай бұрын

So far it seems like every single podcast/interview with Kramnik goes with the same scenario. He juat repeats same things again and again (starting with the same story of how he got into online chess) and interviewers are never able to actually challenge his statistics. It goes like "I respect what you do and I agree that cheating is a problem we should fight but " to which he responds that he is "obviously" correct and presents generally emotions and charisma rather than any math. P.S. I know myself that I would still watch an interview with Kramnik on this channel, but I dont have any expectations for it to be productive and bring anything new

Seeing a few remarks about English usage - English is a flexible, world language that gets enriched by non-native usages. Don't fret about 'correctness'; we don't have an Academie Anglaise. The only things that matter are clarity and euphony. A good resource is Orwell's essay 'Politics and the English Language'.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! I’ve read that essay by Orwell, really enjoyed it!

Thank you!

The most infuriating part about Kramnik's statements is that he claims he's not making accusations, just 'presenting statistics'. It's obvious that he believes these 'overperformers' are cheating, and all his fans interpret it as such. And then he gets offended when the people he accuses say negative things about him, claiming that they are harassing him for no reason, as if he didn't attack their integrity for no reason.

@vickmackey24

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. He isn't refusing to play Jospem and resigning after 2 moves because he simply finds his statistics "interesting." He obviously thinks he's an actual cheater.

@vladislavgritsenko3636

2 ай бұрын

@@vickmackey24So thinking is banned now?Is that your logic?What he is doing is trying to provoke Cheescom to start an investigation There's a difference between accusing and implying. Because accusing somebody is a sue able thung,implying or thinking is not And you can't say statistics is not bizarre. Nobody says Jospem is a noob,but his perfomance(top 10 blitz WW) is just...strange. Strange

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

@@vladislavgritsenko3636 "There's a difference between accusing and implying." Exactly, and you're not getting it.. the criteria is pretty much worked out in the Western law, and according to it Kram does exactly this - accusations w/o proper proofs (a hint for you: FIDE is guided but similar standards).. your standard is more in line with good old Russian one.. and "So thinking is banned ?" is so-o ridiculous and so typical, and played every time you can't win using legit rationale

@vladislavgritsenko3636

2 ай бұрын

@@user-kc6wu2gc2m It doesn't work like that. "I think this guy should be checked" and "This guy is cheating" are completely different things. If you don't get it,then there's nothing to talk about

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

@@vladislavgritsenko3636 oh, no worries, we're not talking, it's just one side was destroying the other's ignorance or/and hypocrisy

Nice to see such review of Kramnik ideas, defenetaly it deserves to be considered by chess comunity and it should has much more attention than it has now.

I think you put some fair points across. I think the way Kramnik places himself in this scenario is quite bad. Arguing with random people online, not understanding how the internet works, accusing people left and right. He is just terrible at putting his point across. He even thinks flagging in a blitz or bullet match is unethical. It gets quite difficult to then take him seriously. Magnus made the same point with far more maturity and he is way younger.

Do a podcast.

Glad to see, that Elton John hasn‘t aged at all, and is now a candidate master in chess also!

Intelligent and thoughtful analysis

Really great analysis. U think what Kramnik is doing us very important for chess, whatever his attitude may be

You say that Kramnik is trying to save chess. Actually, his aggressive style is doing the opposite. He accuses people left and right, that is exactly destroying chess, not saving. Even though he says he is not accusing, his actions tell otherwise. Blocking people left and right, resigning, etc. He IS accusing. He even says himself - "ok, this is clear to me" (that a person is a cheater).

No matter how right or wrong he is, the way he communicates and presents his "interesting findings" ruins everything. He says he wants to save chess from cheating, but why not using efficient communication strategy then to achieve that goal if he really means it? He made most of the chess world laughing at him instead. Many agree his message is valid to some extent, no doubt, but his actions simply lead the conversation in the wrong direction.

@thelurker3795

2 ай бұрын

"why not using efficient communication strategy" what kind of question is that? Not everyone is that good with words dude, especially when English is not your first language, if he was capable of it I don't see a reason why he wouldn't 🤷🏻‍♂️

@finelord

2 ай бұрын

what? you didn’t get the point, dude. it’s not about language at all.

@thelurker3795

2 ай бұрын

@@finelord again, "efficient communication strategy" is what you said, how am I missing the point and how is communication (in this case expressing an opinion/point of view to the audience) not related to language itself?

@finelord

2 ай бұрын

but if his goal was to give a reason for people to talk about him again, his communication strategy worked extremely well! /irony

@SolarPlayer

2 ай бұрын

I respectfully disagree, I don't think it has anything to do with his communication strategy. Hikaru is an extremely popular influencer, not only a chess superstar - who is literally sponsored by the company he's attacking - and he is willing to straw-man or at least badly misinterpret Kramnik's statements to his audience. Kramnik was damned to ridicule from the start, no matter what his communication strategy was, and he knew that.

I have a question. Has anyone ever speculated that the site itself might be cheating on a few players? I mean, they have so many bots and for them it's not hard to let you play against bots just to evaluate there bots, but at the end of the day this is could be a part of the problem.

Can we trust a Russian with rose-colored glasses wearing a chess pattern? LOL subscribed.

@raylopez99

2 ай бұрын

Nice summary of Kramnik's arguments btw.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

@@raylopez99thanks!

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

and with Vlad's picture in his wallet? no doubt

@beirutleb1376

2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣​@@raylopez99

The Grand Wizard KramniK doesn't ever read his livestream chat or respond to his viewers.

Really nice video. Yeah you should invite Kramnik. He's working hard against that cheating problem. And the cheating on chess is at every level. Everyone should work against this epidemy because this is what it is.

Why u wearing Elton John glasses?

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

On that day, I had inflammation in one of my eyes, so I wore the glasses to conceal it. BTW Elton John is amazing, so thanks for this comparison!

Great video, Russian John Lennon

Wow, so against Hikaru, Carlsen and other super GMs Kramnik scores almost 50% and against online only players 15%? Well, that's a convincing piece of data.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that's something I wouldn't expect to happen. Once again, there could be other explanations (not necessarily related to cheating), as I mentioned in the video.

I don't think the arguments against Jospem are that strong. He's very high rated in otb blitz and he's able to play solid in very fast sequences.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

Yes he is! Still, his online level in recent Titled Tuesdays is on par with Magnus (sometimes even exceeding him in average accuracy), so it will be interesting to see if he shows similar results offline

Elton John style

12:50 Steroids are allowed in bodybuilding 😂

Excellent video. (Sadly, I only speak English. The word is inhuman...not unhuman...but I am being pedantic)

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the correction! I’m working on improving my English

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

@@MustreaderChess you're doing a good job there ..

@markadams99

2 ай бұрын

@@MustreaderChess 'Inhuman' is normal, but 'unhuman' is completely clear and machine-oriented and therefore as good or even better.

Arnold Schwarzenegger having used steroids is not relevant or pertinent to the matter. Every professional bodybuilder uses steroids and it is notorious.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

However, many bodybuilding competitions ban steroids (like Olympia)

@alexandernipracs6292

2 ай бұрын

@@MustreaderChess No. I don't know where you got that from.

Isn't kramnik who was caught cheating on a bathroom during a world championship match?

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

He wasn’t, it was just baseless accusations from Topalov without any proof. Google “the toilet gate chess scandal”

I noticed that very often in your video you're looking to your right, especially upper right. This makes me think you might be cheating in this video.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

LOL

it's "to dig into this", not to dick into this...lol

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

It's my accent. I meant to say dig, of course

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

@@MustreaderChess c'mon man I was busting your chops.. keep up a good job.. besides your Eng incomparably better than VB's .. probably like his chess to yours..lol

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

@@user-kc6wu2gc2m 🤣

The samples which are presented are simply too low to be considered "statistics".

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

But still, they are very strange, aren’t they?

He has the right idea but is using flawed reasoning in 40% of his ideas which just steers the conversation in a wrong direction a lot of the time. I respect his chess and I respect he has the balls to talk about it, but he not competent in statistical analysis which makes him look like a baffoon. This also makes the cheating problem to not seem so serious when everyone can poke holes in his methods and he is the loudest guy in the room. A much better way would be for the top chess players or fide to find a team of statisticians and together get to the bottom of the problem and propose solutions. But now it seems like many top chess players don't want to jump into Kramniks boat because it leaks and smells like fish (and I dont blame them for it). Thats why they all comment that it's a problem but refuse to give him full credence because he is doing a lousy job at it. Hope things start to get organized a bit on this front

The example about bodybuilders, and Schwarzenegger „cheating“ is ridiculous :) steroids is an essence of bodybuilding, it’s not a secret to anyone, and never has been

так в чем смысл этого видео? ты просто пересказал аргументы крамника слегка затронув их сказав при этом вещи, которые и так на поверхности лежат. не пойми не правильно я не пытаюсь какой-то негатив выразить в твою сторону, но это то, как я вижу это видео.

@alanklm

2 ай бұрын

он пересказал аргументы Kрамника без иррациональной эмоциональности Kрамника. в вопросе поддержки и распространения какой-то идеи аргументы вообще не особо важны, суть не в них.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

Please write your comments in English, this is a channel for international audience. As for your statement - that’s exactly what I did, summarize Kramnik’s statements from his videos and interviews in English and Russian

No Schwarzenegger never used roids lol ... thats about worst example you could ever give lol whhatt a fail

Небольшой момент - не говори "in principle", это калька с русского, так не говорят. "В принципе" по-английски - это "actually", "basically", "fundamentally".

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

С чего ты взял(а)? Вот из Oxford Dictionary цитата: In principle - as a general idea or plan, although the details are not yet established. "the government agreed in principle to a peace plan that included a ceasefire" Иногда, прежде чем умничать, лучше хотя бы погуглить :) И здесь лучше комменты на английском писать, канал международный

@ALandarion

2 ай бұрын

@@MustreaderChess Okay, no offence. It's up to you. I've never heard any native english speaker using "in principle" in their spoken language in around 20 years. Check it out yourself the next time you hear "in principle" it will be from a russian speaker and never from a native. Nothing grammatically wrong with it just sounds unnatural.

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

@@ALandarionI’ve heard it plenty of times from native speakers, so apparently it’s a legit phrase

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

are you serious? it's so many times that you hear "I agree with that in principle but..." including in movies.. don't split hairs...the host may suck in accent but this was perfectly legit for spoken lingo

@ALandarion

2 ай бұрын

Okay okay guys. Sorry about the comment, I guess I'll have to reconsider my own language skills instead :/ Cheers

Kramnik's points are actually pretty valid, its just the initial accusations on Nakamura that were inaccurate, and because of that all the little kids that worship hikaru got infuriated and all of a sudden Vlad became the big bad wolf when in reality his intentions are pure and genuine

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I think Kramnik initially chose the wrong path with investigating Hikaru, I really doubt that he should be under any suspicion

@raylopez99

2 ай бұрын

So you don't think Hikaru has Stockfish projected on the ceiling? ;)

@sdaiwepm

2 ай бұрын

Disquastung.

You literally said nothing

@user-kc6wu2gc2m

2 ай бұрын

exactly; and with Vlad it's gonna be 2 nothing burgers... no worries about substance, it's hype that matters

All, or at least most, of kramniks accusations come from the cognitive dissonance between the fact that he still thinks of himself as one of the greatest chess players ever, but still he loses a lot. He's just failing to realise how the field has improved in general while he's gotten older. Therefore the easiest explanation in his mind is that his opponents must be cheating, making up for the discrepancy. It's just arrogance and a lack of statistical intuition/knowledge. But he thinks he knows everything. Nothing more to it

@naptown9672

2 ай бұрын

Yep. Also, he has no clue about the online chess world. He has poor mouse skills and is therefore too slow to keep up with these top GMs who've been playing online for decades. But his skills are also not as good. There was a recent game where he had a winning position and played it wrong to end up with a draw, and still accused his opponent of cheating.

@rezamind5708

2 ай бұрын

@@naptown9672 thanks for "cognitive dissonance ". if i use this phrase on my IELTS exam, i'm sure that i will get 7+ on my speaking section😂

@naptown9672

2 ай бұрын

@@rezamind5708 What are you even talking about

@naptown9672

2 ай бұрын

@rezamind5708 oh, I realized OP used that phrase. But you replied to me.

@ankeborg9122

2 ай бұрын

As a matter of fact Kramnik performs better vs Super GMs than vs all these low elo rated FMs and IMs, so what "Top GMs" are you even talking about? @@naptown9672

You seem as lost as Kramnik.

Are you gay? Pink glasses and girly shirt?

@MustreaderChess

2 ай бұрын

I am heterosexual. Why do you ask? xD

@johanliebert5781

Ай бұрын

@@MustreaderChess He probably found you attractive.