Haldane talked for 10 mins before I realized I had passed-out behind the wheel and drove my car straight through an active state fair ground.

@studio-flash

4 жыл бұрын

Haaaaaaaaa

@seacrablol

3 жыл бұрын

So good

@bretholomewisrael5305

3 жыл бұрын

Lolol 😆

@aselapremachandra315

3 жыл бұрын

la

@diggie9598

3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Schultz ...and drove, you didn't see the ball since kick off.

Once I started focusing on Haldane's handling of his glasses, I was happily relieved of trying to figure out what he was trying to say.

@thesprawl2361

Жыл бұрын

My god he's boring. You can tell he's a religious philosopher by the way he instinctively covers up his meaning with as much technical jargon as possible. One of my most reliable rules about epistemic claims is: if a person is confident in their argument they will make it as easy as possible for others to understand it, and if they don't have confidence in their argument they will go out of their way to cover up its flaws with obfuscatory language.

@tracyavent-costanza346

Жыл бұрын

@@thesprawl2361 yep, aside of constantly playing with his glasses (maybe he needs to get bifocals), I am challenged to turn his mumbled words into maybe ONE PARAGRAPH that gets to the point.

@thesprawl2361

Жыл бұрын

@@tracyavent-costanza346 I actually thought he came close to proving the existence of god because whenever he started talking I felt my soul trying to leave my body

@googleuser2609

Жыл бұрын

hahahahahahahahaha

How can Haldane say so much yet not a word makes sense, but he did cure my insomnia.

@googleuser2609

2 жыл бұрын

LOL/😂

@brigittecaron2081

2 жыл бұрын

he is putting me to sleep...!!! because....he never come to the point...!!!

Mechanic: "Do you know what type of oil change you want? John Haldane: "Knowledge of the inherent viscosity present throughout the fractionally distilled hydrocarbons is not only optimal but unequivocally essential in regards to maintaining the neutralization of acids that originate from fuel oxidation. In addition to the aforementioned basic constituents, almost all lubricating oils contain corrosion and oxidation inhibitors, which lends credence to the commonly held opinion that the elevated initial cost of the traditional synthetic oil replacement in a vehicle, containing an internal combustion engine, is necessary if the person (or persons) is at all concerned with appropriately managing their finances." Mechanic: "Huh?"

@bearlemley

2 жыл бұрын

Hitch: “Yes”

@jhscolombianito7598

2 жыл бұрын

Jajaja . Oh my friend . That was really funny

@canuckereh9202

2 жыл бұрын

Well done! 👍🏼

@vtblda

2 жыл бұрын

In other words, the man is unctuous, viscous and slippery. I say no more just because I don't want to bore you.

@pcrepair7456

2 жыл бұрын

Passenger: Upon study of sitting here, notwithstanding thirst and hunger for more

If Hitchens was hungry, he would say "I am hungry." IfJohn Haldane was hungry, he would say "I, as someone who is bipedal and has to acquire energy from a source outside myself and beyond my autonomous being, must seek out and obtain carbon-based organisms in the form of plants and animals (most of them being quadrupeds) as a source of God-given sustenance to which we should be thankful."

@trainerd1

7 жыл бұрын

William Gilliam most adroitly stated. Kudos.

@bucketheadkfc

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks haha. Haldantiliously*

@MrSidney9

7 жыл бұрын

William Gilliam LMAO this is gold funny

@quepasaraul

7 жыл бұрын

To provide complexity and not to be a crashing bore are not mutually exclusive propositions.

@richdandanell2911

7 жыл бұрын

Your confusing complexity with long winded .

Haldane has the unique ability of making you forget, by the end of a sentence, what the beginning of the sentence was about.

@suzannerossiter1682

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@dranoelhs

2 жыл бұрын

It's because he himself, doesn't, as you will, such like, now to some extent, as a reflection of, in the sphere, of , any more than in the sphere of, say, what it is.

@pdru4132

2 жыл бұрын

@@dranoelhs let's not forget the importance of speaking in a soft tone in a rhythm, that is to say a recurrent alternation of strong and weak elements in the flow of sound and silence in speech, that makes one feel as if they are waiting for their luggage to arrive on a baggage carousel after an extremely long flight.

@theinnerlight8016

2 жыл бұрын

So it happened to you too? I thought almost my attention span must be shrinking ;)

@christopherhamilton3621

2 жыл бұрын

Sentimental rhetoric only occurs outside of proper philosophical & theological discussion? Puhleeeeze!!!! Are ALL theologians this conceited ?

I got to 5 mins into Haldane's speech, got bored then started reading everyone's comments then realised why I got bored and started reading everyone's comments! A suggestion of a book title for Haldane "How to say a lot while saying nothing"!

@jeffhough7460

2 жыл бұрын

Same lol

@muditjoshi842

Жыл бұрын

Same here

@user-uv3pl4fr7t

Ай бұрын

Ha bla. And da bla. Skinny puppy

I discovered the Hitch when he was already dead, sadly. One thing stands out a lot to me, when reading comments under many videos with him - people explaining how much they miss him, without ever having met him. I feel the same way. How happy are we for living in the age of youtube and the internet so that we can at least watch Hitchens' debate and listen to him. Sometimes I even stumble over a video that I haven't yet seen and it always puts a smile on my face.

@dannyheeley5866

2 жыл бұрын

I think we miss him so much, because we know what a great loss to the world it was when he died. A truly independent and rational thinker, and an excellent writer & speaker, I hope when he went, that it was peaceful

@RR-qf9re

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it was so satisfying watching him dismantle Fox news goons in real time which is where i was first introduced to his genius.

@MrSigmatico

2 жыл бұрын

@@RR-qf9re Well that must have been a piece of cake for him, would you happen to have a link for that sounds like a slaugther.

@tkenglander6226

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!!

@jeffhough7460

2 жыл бұрын

A brilliant man to be sure and he is sorely missed

Legend has it Haldane is still explaining how the debate went to the first person that asked him.

@sanjios

2 жыл бұрын

Hahhahahaha, brilliant !

@savtasimcha9669

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha!!

@abigailslade3824

2 жыл бұрын

He is halfway through explaining the introduction

@matttheengineer278

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve rarely seen someone spend more time to say less.

@svendtang5432

Жыл бұрын

Your killing me 😂

Haldane has taught me how to take my 500 word paper and turn it into a 10,000 word paper without any extra time at the library

@tombry4480

2 жыл бұрын

1:25:07 Audience: If god is omnipotent, how do you explain free will? Haldane: well that's done over a 12 week course...

@googleuser2609

2 жыл бұрын

😀😂

@googleuser2609

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@yomilalgro

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@jimvanlint8043

2 жыл бұрын

Remember that old British saying, 'Bullshit baffles brains', I think it's supposed to have its origins came from our British army.

“I’d like to take a moment to recognize the void that is left by our dear friend Christopher Hitchens. I’m sure we can imagine what he would think about the topics here this evening, but none of us can imagine just how well he would say it. The man had more wit and style than several civilizations I could name.” - Sam Harris.

@michaellangan4450

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@vtblda

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said!

@cornellete

2 жыл бұрын

....unfortunately he will now have to face the consequences of his beliefs. If there isn't a God then he's okay, but if there is a God then he is probably terrified of the reality he's finding himself in.

@vtblda

2 жыл бұрын

@@cornellete if there is a god, I'm sure it's not like the god described in the abrahamic scriptures, and it will be like the kind of god interested in discussing the issue with Hitchens. And he will have an excellent contender in him. He will be amazed with the complexity of his creation. And certainly he will be proud of it!

@dyschromotopia

2 жыл бұрын

@@cornellete i know where my money is.

We lost a great man 10 years ago today. You'll never be forgotten. RIP Hitch!

@purgatoriprytania5382

2 жыл бұрын

Despite being a Christian, I agree. I wish he was still with us today.

@nasticanasta

2 жыл бұрын

Lol he met his maker, and it wasn’t good, I can’t believe atheists think Hutchins was intelligent… he was the worst proponent of it… was a complete dunce

@nasticanasta

2 жыл бұрын

@@purgatoriprytania5382 just like we need liberals around to remind us how ridiculous they are.

@Prodigal_Knight

2 жыл бұрын

@@nasticanasta rational people always seem irrational to dumb people if you think he was dunce then that means he has done his job perfectly.

@Prodigal_Knight

2 жыл бұрын

@joseph deutsch he might be gone but he has left his mark on the world and his legacy and his ideas are still alive. so he will always be remembered and remain alive in our minds for this and all of the future generations to come he has certainly left his mark on history and the world. Unlike You who will be forgotten in a couple of years after you and your rotten brain is finally buried deep under ground.

I ended up skipping over Haldane’s speaking. Not because he was saying things I didn’t want, rather because he wasn’t really saying anything.

@davidr1431

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I remember reading the Foundation trilogy by Asimov. In one book, a character distills the extensive pronouncements of a politician, eliminating anything which has no relevance, meaning or applicability, and ends up proving that he had, in fact, said nothing at all. Haldane seems a living example of this. I can imagine students subjected to a lecture by him, sitting in the theatre, pens poised, listening intently at his intelligent sounding pontifications, waiting for the first of many gems to fall, but slowly relaxing their hands as they realise that the emporer is sadly naked after all, and leaving with the page covered in doodles wondering how they are going to pass their course.

@bretzajac7986

4 жыл бұрын

you're a fool

@mellowtron214

4 жыл бұрын

I listened all the way, but I’ll be damned if the folks asking questions weren’t 80% cringey self involved fuckos. Anyways, Haldanes best bits were all pretty toothless and vague. Something about how religion isn’t useful to explain the moral content but the fact that all humans have a kind of moral compass that leads them one way or another. If there is anything I dislike most in these religious debates, it’s a theist who is presenting such a neutered version of their particular faith; that it’s self defeating and pointless to have presented in a debate. So, I can perfectly understand your skipping the Haldane parts, and no you’re not a fool for doing so.

@PetroicaRodinogaster264

4 жыл бұрын

Mr. Sotack agree...I hardly could grasp his point at all.

@PetroicaRodinogaster264

4 жыл бұрын

Bret Zajac So you are neither a believer nor an atheist? Are you a dog? You obviously have not listened to either speaker. .

I hope John Haldane never writes a book on `how to boil an egg`.

@Resenbrink

3 жыл бұрын

i hope i never have to eat any egg he has boiled

@TheJoker-lz2ws

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@taxidude

3 жыл бұрын

I hear volume 1 is nearly finished!

@blair3264

3 жыл бұрын

@@Resenbrink go vegan - you won't

@olivetree9920

3 жыл бұрын

Ll

We played a drinking game where you take a drink every time Haldane takes his glasses off. We all passed out after 20 minutes

@ranathane

10 ай бұрын

What can I add but...LOL!

Unbelievable! Listening to that guy has Cured My Insomnia!!! Thanks John!! 😀

@MrSigmatico

2 жыл бұрын

I suppose nothing is so bad it is not good for something, my mothers favorite saying that is.

@pjo2386

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSigmatico Hitchens is a pop idol to so many grieving today, and who are still unable to fill that void, as the comments show; a little god, who could do no wrong, worshippers drooled over his every breath

@Rich7714

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjo2386 Make one comment, then copy & paste it. Haha

Haldane is a kind of religious politician. He's perfected the art of speaking fluently and at length whilst saying nothing.

@russianaloha4576

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@penboyasgod6103

2 жыл бұрын

Commonly known as *double-speak.*

@dukadarodear2176

2 жыл бұрын

@@penboyasgod6103 Only "Double" Speak?

@penboyasgod6103

2 жыл бұрын

@@dukadarodear2176 Excellent point.

@judybell9388

2 жыл бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly.... Whilst saying nothing.....

Now I know you can miss someone you never knew, and be intolerably sad that they're gone.

@TBOTSS

2 жыл бұрын

John Haldane is still with us.

@LaGrandeBayou

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I feel the same way about the original lineup of Lynyrd Skynryd

@AA-69

2 жыл бұрын

Can i join your club ? 😢

@johnpanter9714

2 жыл бұрын

I miss Hitch

@johnpanter9714

2 жыл бұрын

@@TBOTSS unfortunately

John Haldane is the cure for Insomnia, not by his soothing voice, but by the content of his arguments.

@googleuser2609

7 ай бұрын

Very funny comment! 😆

Professor Haldane for all his eloquence and evident learning, gives the impression of the kind of intellectual whose mind seldom if ever leaves the world of cozy sheltered academia. Hitchens was much more a man of the real world.

@2fast2block

Жыл бұрын

Hitch's "real world" thinks creation happened naturally somehow. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.

@GlowingMpd

10 ай бұрын

👍

@paulachristie7807

5 ай бұрын

Christopher Hitchens was a war correspondent for years. He saw the cruel reality of life in a way that those not in the military rarely do.

still love you darling Christopher, you cared more for humanity than any church could

@mannytps9986

3 жыл бұрын

Cap. Not trying to argue that Christianity is true but Churches have done a great deal in helping people’s live. It would be both naive and ignorant to simply ignore their contributions. Christian or not.

@MrGabrucho

3 жыл бұрын

@@mannytps9986 well, she said care, it would be ridiculously naive to think the church (not one or other priest) cares for humanity

@poozer1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@mannytps9986 is thanks to churches, that the Rwandan genocide became a reality. Churches are completely useless, pointless, and personally, an eyesore

@iancastor69

2 жыл бұрын

Very, very true

@harriemeijers9826

2 жыл бұрын

Or any church ever did.

Can you imagine the insufferable torture of sitting through a semester’s worth of class lectures from John Haldane? I’d rather give a limb than be subjected to such agonies.

@savtasimcha9669

2 жыл бұрын

I’d have used it as homework time

@wantAvote

2 жыл бұрын

he puts me to sleep

@jameswells9403

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't deserve any of his diplomas.

@wantAvote

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameswells9403 in order to begin to understand haldane you MUST first believe in religion, hard and fast and your faith in God is unquestioning. I do NOT. Every line, every notion and every detail recounting of history haldane uses to confuse believers just reaffirms my deeply held beliefs, "religion is a scam." While i do believe God exists - i also believe modern religion has more to do with profits, power and possessions and less to do with Faith and God, Hope and Peace.

@elirien4264

2 жыл бұрын

He makes me envy the deaf.

"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." Mark Twain

@robertwhelan9469

2 жыл бұрын

Did it for me.

@petyrkowalski9887

2 жыл бұрын

Yep… cured me

@jamesraj8762

2 жыл бұрын

If you study the bible and have a heart to understand it then you will really be cured of atheism ...worked for me.

@eddiekorkis

2 жыл бұрын

The Bible is a hard read. I would recommend the Bible project one KZread. Breaks down the different books in several minutes. Then when you read it the Bible starts to make sense. I especially like the wisdom series. It’s very clear that there’s a supernatural hand in it.

@dr.rickmarshall6697

2 жыл бұрын

@@eddiekorkis often we can't reliably quote and report events that happened a few days ago--with all the modern technology that is available. Yet you stick to a book that was written thousands of years ago and take it as absolute truth?!? This is absurd. Enjoy your delusion.If the bible were to say 2+2 = 5, you would find a way to make that work. the study of consciousness and the nature of reality goes way back, a long way beyond even Aristotle. As a topic of study in modern universities, it generates endless discussions, no enlightening answers because no one knows not you not me no one and if anyone say they do they are a liar. if there is a higher life form we no nothing of it .

Haldane : Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.... oh, sorry, nothing.

Haldane does a fine job of verbal tap dancing outside of the actual and literal subject matter while Hitchens goes straight for the jugular of the subject matter. Bravo. RIP Hitch

@bmlgmk

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! And that’s why Hitchens won this debate using clear, concise, relatable language that moves directly to his point. When your audience looses track of what you’re saying, you automatically lose, Dr. Haldane.

@BackseatCharlie

2 жыл бұрын

Like a conservative politician

@alexh1524

2 жыл бұрын

Hitchens superficial criticisms of distorted applications of religiously based moral principles doesn’t really answer the question. Morality needs a firm foundation otherwise it devolves into moral relativism. There have been numerous human societies that have practiced such abhorrent practices as human sacrifices, cannibalism, and infanticide. Is there anything in evolutionary theory that informed these societies regarding the immoral nature of their practices? Hitchens had the privilege of having been raised in a Judeo-Christian society that condemned such practices. What if he had been born in a place and time where such practices were deemed acceptable and necessary for the survival of the community? There is nothing in the foundation of his worldview that would have have instructed him to repudiate such practices. That ‘golden rule’ he mentioned would have gone out the window once he realized that neighbor living on that nearby island was smacking his lips thinking of cutting him up at the next barbecue.

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

Any Viced Rhino Fans here?

@vtblda

2 жыл бұрын

@@slevinchannel7589 me!

Every time I watch a programme with Christopher Hitchens I miss him more.What a loss to the world

@TNsher776

5 жыл бұрын

he was the devil's son!

@kingsleysmith3570

5 жыл бұрын

Renate Baramy Bertrand Russell

@mauriciobetancourtAutor

5 жыл бұрын

He became a far right lunatic towards the end of is life. I don't miss him at all.

@witchsabbath13

5 жыл бұрын

M Betan oh no. Someone had a political opinion?

@tylerkasuboski3366

5 жыл бұрын

@M Betan If Christopher Hitchens were still alive today I believe you'd find him vehemently opposed to the creeping trends of authoritarianism and nationalism which endanger the current global political landscape (Russia, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Philippines, Venezuela, the U.S.A., etc.). Furthermore, what his take on the Syrian conflict would be is unknown, though we can almost assuredly state that he would advocate U.S. military intervention to help the Kurds defend themselves from the multi-pronged threat against them posed by Turkey, Syria (and by extension, Russia). Likewise any reassessments or re-evaluations of his positions regarding the ultimate successes/failures of the War In Iraq and our presence in Afghanistan on Hitchens part (though I dare assert that Hitchens would find the proposition of handing control of Afghanistan BACK to the Taliban through U.S. disengagement quite troubling) are unknown. In the end, there likely will NEVER be a more eloquent and unequivocal opponent of all things authoritarian and imperialistic (in the end, have the facts borne out that the War In Iraq WAS simply about U.S. oil interests?) than Mr. Hitchens. For you to relegate him the title of "a far right lunatic towards the end of his life" is in my opinion a tragic misunderstanding of Hitchens and poisonous to the legacy which he has left. Hitchens was always a liberal, much to the chagrin of some Liberals who themselves harbor illusions of benevolent state authority.

Every comment section of a Hitchens debate is full of respect and gratitude for the man. We miss you Hitch! Thank you for the wisdom you left behind and the many Hitchslaps we get to watch over and over again.

@craigjones8518

Жыл бұрын

Creepy, right? How people collectively revere or despise others without any nuance or grey area.

@clown134

4 ай бұрын

not everything has a grey area. somethings are simply black and white, right and wrong. not absolute and theres exceptions of course. but the fact that theres no evidence for god makes christians become hateful@@craigjones8518

Anyone who is thinking about leaving Christianity needs to watch George Carlin’s act on religion. It helped me come to my senses and I’ve never looked back since.

@GlowingMpd

Жыл бұрын

🤣Link please👍

hitchens starts at 6:24 Q&A hitchens answer at 34:17 hitchens question at 38:12 hitchens answer at 42:02 hitchens answer at 52:28

@D_isco_D_ancer

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@scp3178

3 жыл бұрын

great; a skip schedule😉

@nitsirk212

3 жыл бұрын

You are a gem 🙏🏼✨

@terrysketcher9752

3 жыл бұрын

There the gold lies.

@varunhebli

3 жыл бұрын

and nothing else matters!!!

Thanks be to God that I can fast forward through Haldane's bogus nonsense and get to the brilliant rhetoric of Christopher Hitchens!!

Stephen Colbert once asked Keanu Reeves what he thinks happens when we die. Keanu replied, "I know that the ones who love us will miss us." Simply put, yet quite poignant. We miss you Christopher Hitchens. Luckily for us, his body may be gone but his words live on. A kind of immortality.... To be loved, missed, respected, and remembered long after we're gone is really the best we can all hope for.

@jeffforsythe9514

11 ай бұрын

Yes but how come he was an alcoholic and got cancer ?Is it true that everyone gets what they deserve?

@blueduck5589

11 ай бұрын

@@jeffforsythe9514 As Hichens said, "Sure, I'm dying and so are you."

@jeffforsythe9514

11 ай бұрын

@@blueduck5589 Our souls are immortal, sorry.

@chipmarley

11 ай бұрын

Even better is that we have proof that Christopher said all of this. Oddly there are no videos or photos of some supreme being who allegedly created everything All there are the made up lies and rules and words edited by religions who incidentally make a fortune grifting the poor.

@chipmarley

11 ай бұрын

​@@jeffforsythe9514 just like your mean, vain, murderous alleged god you have to smear those that do not agree with your bs.

A man whose ferocious intellect was well matched by his courage, such a loss.

I've never heard someone speak so much without really saying anything. Being "friendly" and well-spoken (and a believer) is all you need to convince people that you are telling the truth.

@bucketheadkfc

Жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeBletchly The terms "Agnostic" and "Atheist" are not mutually exclusive. Almost all Atheists are also Agnostic. Theism/Atheism has to do with belief. Gnosticism/Agnosticism is about knowledge. You say that you are not entirely convinced...which means you are atheist by definition, because you don't have a belief in that specific thing. You are agnostic because you are open to it. Being open to the premise means that you don't KNOW for sure if god does or doesn't exist. It doesn't make sense to say "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnostic."

@bucketheadkfc

Жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeBletchly I agree with everything you just said. This is a very complex topic, and I apologize for not treating it as such.

@anothertime1282

Жыл бұрын

'Being "friendly" and well-spoken... is all you need to convince people that you are telling the truth.' - It's how you get a chair at a British university.

@krazyeagles6557

Жыл бұрын

This government is not tolerant. Hitch was wrong and privileged in this belief

@jeffforsythe9514

10 ай бұрын

Mankind has lost its ability to discern right from wrong. This earth originally was created semi-divine and now has become satanic. The more one denies the Lord, the greater Satan smiles.

"You've made a mystery where this is none." Excellent!

Steven Weinberg once famously said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." No truer words have been spoken.

@davidjonathanrogers627

4 ай бұрын

thank you

I found a new cure for insomnia! Sir john is a great way to make 1 fall asleep 😴 I wish I could have met Christopher Hitchens, he honestly was such a gift to this world!! ❤🕊❤

@jacal420

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I always try to listen to both sides of an argument, but I'm 20 minutes in and I can live without the rest. You confirmed in my mind that I have FAR better things to do. Thank you. LOL

@ginocastro5107

11 ай бұрын

Agree!

@jeffforsythe9514

11 ай бұрын

Yes but how come he was an alcoholic and got cancer ?Is it true that everyone gets what they deserve?

@wolfreyet

8 ай бұрын

He’s one of the dullest redundantly verbose people I’ve ever heard speak

@marklester4540

6 ай бұрын

They knighted that guy? Jesus

I've watched dozens of videos with Hitchens and I haven't seen anyone get anywhere close to winning a debate with him.

@JudeMalachi

8 жыл бұрын

Watch the one with David Berlinski. Hitchens was the absolute triumph of style over substance, but Berlinski has both style and substance in spades. Also you might watch Hitchens debate his brother to see just how much Chris' tremendous charisma helped him, because that debate is like watching a charismatic Hitchen debate himself in a mirror that does not reflect his charisma back. The real point at which Christopher Hitchens starts appearing transparent is when you realize that at bottom he was just one of the last true believers in a late 19th and early 20th century socialism. It is easy to criticize an argument when you have as much wit and bravado as Hitchen's did, but when you start asking yourself what is he really promoting you start to see just how short he is actually coming up. Again, this is where the debate he had with his brother is informative.

@senecauk8363

7 жыл бұрын

+Artistically Motivated Hitchens has debated Dinesh D'Souza several times. In some of those Dinesh does pretty well, I would say.

@81Mace81

7 жыл бұрын

What an absurd statement, and that's without even addressing the literacy of it. The quantity of Atheistic Scientists and Philosophers is dominant: Hume, Freud, Russell, Marx, Nietzsche, Sartre, Singer, Dennett, Dawkins, Krauss, Harris, Sagan, Stenger, Hoyle, Hawking, Coyne, Bohr, Feynman, Crick, Higgs, Schrodinger, Weinberg just to name a few. Note also, they were all post Darwin. As for 'Saints' you may kindly keep those for yourself.

@Nick-gi6hj

6 жыл бұрын

He talked to Prager that was bringing up legitimate questions, but Hitchens wouldn't listen and kept running his mouth with his opinion, and for that reason some people think he wins. But even atheists commented saying that he was rude and not debating..

@mariai9549

6 жыл бұрын

Hitchens was just one man with HIS assertions. He was or did not need to be the only voice to debate for non believers of religion.

I like how Haldane will just randomly remove his glasses and look around, as if to punctuate some really good point that he... hasn't made.

@clintclore5717

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@stevenuge87

4 жыл бұрын

This made me burst out laughing. It’s so so true and funny.

@sanjios

4 жыл бұрын

Watched too much CSI Miami. Check Jim Carrey imitating David Caruso

@patinthechat6452

4 жыл бұрын

@Cuzn Ed I don't know how many good points he thinks he made but he took his glasses off 22 times in the roughly 10 minutes he spoke. He favors his right hand for this job at a rate of 72.7%, both hands are at a 22.7% clip while left hand got 4.5% of the duty. Equally, he takes his glasses off 22 times, with e ever so slight edge favoring his left had at 54.5%. Alternatively he makes adjustments to his glasses (pulling the down the bridge of his nose etc) 10 times favoring his left hand to do this at a dominating 80%. There were some instances where he brought his glasses up but didn't actually put them on, (2) I didn't count those. This quarantine is getting to me, PLS SND HALP

@charlieducey8880

4 жыл бұрын

Nice ad hominem, my guy. It's not exactly rational, but ... fair. Try seeing it this way: Haldane is a career philosopher (and trained painter!). Hitchens is a career journalist (and trained writer). That alone should say something about the scope of rhetoric.

John Haldane: Lots of words with really no ending, but very useful for insomniacs.

@googleuser2609

Жыл бұрын

hahahahahaahhh

I tried, but at 26mins in and during Haldane's first speech I drifted and found myself thinking about dinner, that's bad considering I had just finished lunch.

What a desperate loss Christopher Hitchens is to the debate. A truly superb speaker with a depth of knowledge, on every subject on which he spoke, that is astonishing.

@iaingrant7192

9 жыл бұрын

...and the willingness to acknowledge his own weaknesses and areas of less knowledge...more honest than most

@WildPhotoShooter

9 жыл бұрын

Yes, your comment is definitely an accurate description and I should have included that myself.

@WildPhotoShooter

9 жыл бұрын

Pat McCann. Yes I've watched his standup, he was a great talent in that area too.

"Tonight we're going to ask that Christopher Hitchens doesn't speak about truthful, historically accurate, hurtful things that make us look bad."

There’s probably an alternate universe where John Haldane still hasn’t finished his opening statement. So we should consider ourselves lucky.

@carmenmccauley585

11 ай бұрын

Hahahaha. Well said!

@SunofYork

11 ай бұрын

Haldane bored my socks off with his self satisfied smirking and unbounded blabbering

Atheist : logic, reason, simplicity Theist : Word salad that reminds you of chruch.

John Haldane's lecture conferences - a perfect treatment for insomnia.

@dochenry9312

8 жыл бұрын

+Storm Hawk Spot on, Storm Hawk. Will make a loop for those sleepless nights (like tonight), entitled: "Haldane's Mundane Spiral Stairway to Heaven, Theism, Deism" or perhaps just, "white noise". Night.

@MrNikolidas

8 жыл бұрын

+Storm Hawk That's really funny, because I genuinely fell asleep during his opening statement.

@JudeMalachi

8 жыл бұрын

I need to get to sleep so I am going try your hypothesis out.

@catholicspaniard8796

7 жыл бұрын

+Aaron Siering td4w

@Angrboda999

7 жыл бұрын

Haldane just waffles. It sounds brilliant, but consists of nothing. He should take up politics.

hitchens shape-shifted my critical thinking 180° likewise my intellectual bravery a personal paradigm shift to his work i am forever grafeful

@froggy187888

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the dark side 🤣🤣🤣

@zobbukit

4 жыл бұрын

aud loves life ..an unnecessary use of a comma before “but”.

@TheSonicDeviant

4 жыл бұрын

aud loves life - You should edit your username then.

@TheSonicDeviant

4 жыл бұрын

Likewise.

@Conalgal

4 жыл бұрын

Galileo Shift. FFS shape-shifted my critical thinking......, intellectual bravery.... you clearly haven’t learned the art of communication. Big words and/or hip sounding sentences don’t impress in today’s succinct social media world. An ability to communicate with the masses is where it’s at.

I have bought two of Christopher Hitchins books, and have struggled with his intellect, but got through them with a dictionary and a fair bit of head scratching, my problem but I simply love his mind and intellect, for me his KZread talks are a think of beauty. What a mind what a man,

@jillianbowen7265

9 ай бұрын

Something you might enjoy is listening to one of his audio books where he is the reader of his own work. It's incredible to hear him recount the work with all of the tone and inflection that made listening to him an experience to remember.

It's amazing that Hitchens can retort to the circle speaking, digressing and pseudo-articulate answers of believers so quickly. His mind was certainly sharper than any other.

@RePlaylist1

9 жыл бұрын

And their minds are so dull.

@glutinousmaximus

9 жыл бұрын

RePlaylist1 I can't feel that this particular audience is 'dull' more than any other witnessing debates of this sort (though I did find Haldane quite dull) but rather that Hitch is so bright, quick witted and practised in his art. The other impression I had, was that many in the audience were undecided in their opinions; which perhaps surprised many of them to realize this about themselves.

@nicozenger

9 жыл бұрын

A bit brilliant he is. :-)

@johanericsson2403

7 жыл бұрын

Preferable to the daisy chain of idiocy you get when Christian shitheads start talking.

@himl994

6 жыл бұрын

Did you guys notice how he called the proclaimed truth by Haldane a precept but then went on to say that the desecration of the innocent was wicked, thus making a truth claim? I'll be the first one to admit that Halden wasn't a great example of a debater in the video, but if you see no flaw in Hitchens, then I strongly advice you to reconsider.

This was Hitchens vs a human sleeping pill. Well done Hitch! Miss ya

@alexanderkempster449

2 жыл бұрын

They should sound an alarm for when the Hitch is about to start talking 😂

@tommacdonald7990

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderkempster449 Right on! I didn't get to Hitch since the typical emptiness of claims like Haldane's made me doze off! Argument? God is the source of goodness is a "rational" position because I say so. This catechismal approach leads to more questions than answers. "Who made you?" "God made me." Case closed.

@MrDaiseymay

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good description, I've only watched Haldane for 10 minutes, and i've not only failed to understand where he is going with this, but I've faild to understand a single sentance.

@dionysuscreativellc7569

2 жыл бұрын

Is exactly what I am thinking as I watch this! LOL! I can't even make out what Haldane is trying to get at. It's like he is just saying random things, and to see this after Hitchens went on, Haldane just sounds lost. LOL... human sleeping pill, hahahaha!

@patrickgibbon7657

2 жыл бұрын

TOTALLY. AGREE. I only discovered him too late, in January of 2020. Formidable and intellectually on the highest pedastal. What a loss his brain was to reasoning, mankind and humanity.

Legends never die, long after all of us are gone, Hitch will be remembered!

@cornellete

2 жыл бұрын

.... you put too much value on time. Trust me, no one will remember him eventually. Even a million years is just a drop in the bucket of time... the universe is going to fizz out as quickly as it was born, and no one will be thinking of Christopher, or thinking of you, anymore than a fly thinks about the pile of dung it feasted on yesterday. You give yourself too much credit.. because in reality it will be as if you were never even here. BAM

@thunderpooch

2 жыл бұрын

@@cornellete he'll be remembered for a long time. Ok sure, his memory might not survive the heat death of the universe, lol

@christianityisunstoppable4155

2 жыл бұрын

Legend😂😂 Why cause he insulted religious folk?

@FatherDingo

2 жыл бұрын

@@christianityisunstoppable4155 No... Because he had the courage to tell the truth.

@geneobrien8907

2 жыл бұрын

@@christianityisunstoppable4155 Stow the snark, it makes you seem ignorant. Hitch was a brilliant writer, he was fiercely intelligent with a great wit and he possessed an extraordinary memory!

I only wish the Great Hitch were still here to bestow upon us his words of wisdom on the happenings in the United States over the past five years. Miss you bigly

@trimetrodon

Жыл бұрын

Sure, as a proponent of the war in Iraq, our state department would surely appreciate Hitch’s apologies for supporting Al Qaeda in Syria under Timber Sycamore and our present lavish support of Nazis in Ukraine.

I really wish he was still with us. We need him more than ever.

@harmonyjones8035

7 жыл бұрын

Would've been interesting watching him vote for Clinton after everything he's said about her. Sam Harris is firmly of the belief that Hitchens would have done exactly that, though reluctantly, but I'm not so sure. Trump is a monster but Hitchens was the world's most competent contrarian! He might just have surprised us :) Any thoughts?

@madzangels

7 жыл бұрын

I think Hitch would have voted for Trump, consider the contrast between Trump and Clintons views on the threat posed by Islam to the West, he also liked going against the intellectually populist view at times, especially given enough reason to - and I think Trumps take on Islam would have won the Hitch over :D

@Dataacid

7 жыл бұрын

Hitchens would never vote for someone who thinks global warming is a hoax and vaccines cause autism. Never, it is more likely he would have kept the vote blank.

@mikeyuskiw3477

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree- and thank you for saying it

@SatyabrataDas91

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I feel 😣😣😣😣

It's a point that should be brought to attention how Mr. Hitchens gets directly to the point when questioned, and yet Haldane acts rather like a politician and begins dancing around the subject without touching it.

@joeheesakkers

8 жыл бұрын

+Boredom_Incarnate He does seem to waffle on a bit but perhaps he is just a little too intellectual for you whereas Hitchens aims for instant gratification from his worshippers.

@TheMitso

8 жыл бұрын

Ehmmm…? I hope you are not being sincere, for conciseness, stringency, and logical consistency are three key things that are taught in modern philosophy, quite counter to the extensive no-content blathering you refer to. If you were to build up Haldane's argumentation in PL1 form (predicate logic), I am fairly sure that you will find that he has made a few logical errors.

@khorgan77

7 жыл бұрын

+ninisgreekronaldo bollox!

@copstolemywife

7 жыл бұрын

Boredom_Incarnate you're spot on. 👍🏼

Haldane learned the hard way. When you are invited to debate Christopher Hitchens, best to politely decline..

Haldane's motto: "You say it best - when you say nothing at all."

@duckmonster921

2 жыл бұрын

Alison krauss

Reading the comments here, I'm relieved to find it's not *only* me....

If Haldane was asked to talk a suicidal man down from a bridge the man would still die. Not because the suicidal man would jump but simply because he would fall asleep, lose his grip and fall to his death after listening to Haldane's empty verbiage.

@naimas8120

3 жыл бұрын

What a way to be called dumb lmao

@AA-69

2 жыл бұрын

Or the bridge would succumb to iron oxide and woodworm !!! 😴

@iainhartshorne9001

2 жыл бұрын

Entropy and heat death are real possibilities over the course of Haldane's speeches. There should be a health warning at the start of the video.

@MrHabidasher

2 жыл бұрын

More likely from old age.

@CynthiaArtist

Жыл бұрын

Lol

Haldane has that special talent of making something that's actually very small and narrow-minded sound like the most wonderful concept.

@googleuser2609

Жыл бұрын

or the simplest and most mundane of things appear as the most profound in existence.

John Haldane is the most incomprehensible and self-satisfied speaker I've ever forced myself to struggle with.

@traffic-law

2 жыл бұрын

It takes years of training to talk an hour of irrational goggledegook and still pretend you are smarter than everyone else because you baffle some people with pointless and absurd searches for "grounding" of our mental capabilities.

@Daniels656993

Жыл бұрын

Philosophers are often like that. Unless your very well educated in Philosophie, they can be very hard to follow.

@judyives1832

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniels656993 It’s not hard to follow, it’s just that religion makes no sense. It’s like nailing jello to a wall. There’s nothing but speculation and wishful and deluded thinking. There’s not one scrap of good evidence for the multitude of talking talking talking. All these religious people “know” what a god wants. So many “claims”, zero evidence.

I love listening to Hitchens: great eloquence, pure logic, sharp ripostas and the beauty of his English. Currently still unmatched.

@harmonyjones8035

7 жыл бұрын

Give it ten years and I think Douglas Murray might at least partially fill the void. He's not as eloquent; his mastery of the language isn't as fine, but it's a vaguely similar experience listening to him. That's why I say give it ten years. He's not there yet. Moreover, I hasten to add, I don't think he'll ever reach Hitchens' level. Hitchens was a ten, while I can't see Murray exceeding a nine. However, worth checking out if you're currently unfamiliar. Good luck!

@abiotic

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! will check it out

@Greenbd100

6 жыл бұрын

Agnes Philomena Calm down

@ricardomontalban6004

5 жыл бұрын

I must sharpen my riposta......en garde!

@allancouceiro9255

3 жыл бұрын

And the timbre of his voice. Magnificent.

I wish Hitch was around to talk about Donald Trump winning the election.

@oro7114

6 жыл бұрын

He mocked Donald Trump on Cspan and sore him as more of a joke figure

@ryant1064

4 жыл бұрын

Agnes Philomena he was a democratic socialist, so yes he would be on Bernie’s side and he thought Trump was a moron when he was alive. He would be embarrassed that this population elected Trump.

@milesbetrov

4 жыл бұрын

DT didnt appear out of nowhere. The conditions for his election were created by right wing extremist war mongers like Hitchens. It was sad to see Hitchens became this in the last 15 years of his life.

@MasterCedar

4 жыл бұрын

He would most likely reverted to his British nationality.

@safieandjatari1394

4 жыл бұрын

@Agnes Philomena he was not against abortion. He said that perhaps it is a moral matters to think again of such action. Is the the right of one's living trump the right of another life that carrying it ( lean to pro choice). He wanted us to think in a higher ground.

The only thing sadder than needing an imaginary friend is needing an imaginary enemy too

@brightyafesi

Жыл бұрын

If that is the case, that also makes you imaginary.

@ozzo8573

8 ай бұрын

@@brightyafesiYou couldn't actually follow your book or you'd be in jail or dead within months if not less. Guess you don't actually believe it.

@brightyafesi

8 ай бұрын

@@ozzo8573 Scripture points you to the word of God. The word of God lives in you. The word of God gives you life. You do not remain the same. John 5:39 [39] You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, (ESV)

First became an Atheist when I was 11 and went a more religious route in high school. Just now waking up again and I'm glad to have the pleasure of binge watching hours of Hitchens' content. I heard about him when I was younger but I wasn't old enough to watch him and enjoy his work since I was around 9 when he died. I'm sure he would have been glad to know that he continues to inspire people long after his death, which is a much more real reason to live a good life than the afterlife is. I would say rest in peace but that doesn't make sense so I'll just say I wish he knew how massively influential he continues to be to this day and that he was a great man who is missed.

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

Then be a loser like Hitch was. It's your life. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html

@turkeylegs5431

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block sorry bro you're too late, Islam already got to me. I believe in the one true God, Allah, his holiness

@themudpit621

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block How arrogant it is to insult someone, then hurl a wall of text, an essay, and random video links and expect them to read it? What a crazy waste of time! OP was simply sharing their gratitude, inspiration and life journey a little bit. Weird and scary reply dude. Weird and scary.

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

@@turkeylegs5431 then believe in lies. I'm ok with you wanting to be a lying loser. I do enjoy though expsong your lies. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIF-tNWdaLbYmLg.html

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

@@themudpit621 too bad for you that you love the lying loser Hitch that I showed with evidence that he was. Of course, losers like you are too afraid to look at the evidence so you can praise your loser Hitch.

Science should have just clone Christopher Hitchens, sorely missed, never forgotten this fantastic and arguably very best polymath of the 20 and 21st Century.

Every time John Haldane speaks, he strengthens Hitch’s argument. Haldane has perfected intellectual padding to an eye watering level. Such seemingly clever people can be idiotic.

@vickiezaccardo1711

2 жыл бұрын

Its not clever if nobody knows what you are saying.

@brightyafesi

Жыл бұрын

​@@vickiezaccardo1711 Who or which are the nobody?

@vickiezaccardo1711

Жыл бұрын

@@brightyafesi It's been a year so I really don't recall the video but if you are not in the nobody group then naturally you are somebody.

@brightyafesi

Жыл бұрын

@@vickiezaccardo1711 VIDEO We Don't Do God? | Christopher Hitchens & John Haldane at Oxford. MARK CREITZMAN COMMENT Every time John Haldane speaks, he strengthens Hitch's argument. Haldane has perfected intellectual padding to an eye watering level. Such seemingly clever people can be idiotic. YOUR REPLY Its not clever if nobody knows what you are saying.

@kalebgates7711

11 ай бұрын

@@brightyafesi You're "Bright" aren't you?

I still miss you Christopher. i lost my dad at the same time in 2011 so in an instant i was left without any father figures in my life. Not sure why im writing this, i guess you not being here now makes me feel hollow.

Oh thank goodness! I couldn't understand what Mr Haldane was saying and felt jolly inferior until I read the comments and realised why! Lol

@elirien4264

2 жыл бұрын

Haldane is the human embodiment of "word salad".

"does it make them happy? they are not happy, they won't be happy until i believe it too" there it is.... i miss christopher....may his words and works live on.

@danelmore6553

4 жыл бұрын

one lives on not if they recite their words, but if they reincarnate their actions. There it also is.

@MasterCedar

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it is like a cancer, a self inflicted cancer.

@raysalmon6566

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” John 18

@MasterCedar

4 жыл бұрын

@@raysalmon6566 Pasture patties, you have nothing to support your claim that Jesus even lived, yet alone what he said.

@raysalmon6566

4 жыл бұрын

@@MasterCedar John 21 24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true. 25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. How about from his disciples

Thank you Haldane, i suffer from chronic insomnia but your mellifluous winding voice of little substance has helped me sleep well

I think Haldane came very close to proving the existence of the supernatural in this debate: because when he was talking I felt my soul begin to leave my body.

@GlowingMpd

Жыл бұрын

🤣😂😅😴🧐…🤣😂😅👍🏆

@ScooterScudieri

Жыл бұрын

😂

@googleuser2609

Жыл бұрын

lol

@stevebrown8368

Жыл бұрын

Whatever it is send me a g

@user-st5es4ll4c

Жыл бұрын

ROFLMAO, me too.

“Where prayers, amulets and incantations work it is only a manifestation of the patient’s belief” - Hippocrates

Hitchens superior intellect and reasoning is astounding. I wasn’t fortunate enough to have been turned onto him, mostly b/c of my geography, until long after his death. But I’m forever grateful for his work, writing, & lectures. He has helped me verbalize my own world view in a more precise manner. He lived an amazing life, albeit a life that ended far too soon.

@patrickgibbon7657

2 жыл бұрын

TOTALLY. AGREE. I only discovered him too late, in January of 2020. Formidable and intellectually on the highest pedastal. What a loss his brain was to reasoning, mankind and humanity.

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickgibbon7657 It's amazing how losers see losers like Hitch as smart. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html

@BrianBoru5523

2 жыл бұрын

You parrot him don't you?

@Zura_Lanch

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block Viva Zeus the true Deus! Yahweh is looser!

@paulfreeman4900

2 жыл бұрын

OK, but it's still important you come to your own views. Hitchens may be seductive but it's important to put even his views under your own personal microscope.

16:30 Hitch predicts the rise of Putin and his Russia. Not in any weird prophetic way, just that he was informed and intelligent enough to see today's headlines coming (2016) in 2010. This was a wise and educated man.

@LucasChoate

5 жыл бұрын

I love Hitch but yeah, anyone who was watching saw Putin coming in 1999

@jadezee6316

5 жыл бұрын

yea..you are just as smart as hitchens....just no one ever heard of you or your great intelligence

@ricardomontalban6004

5 жыл бұрын

Ooohh leave him alone you big bully you......

@tylerkasuboski3366

5 жыл бұрын

Aside from his prescient observations of the increasingly disruptive role of an authoritarian Russia under Putin made by Hitchens in this 2011 debate he also pointed out likely future conflict with Saudi Arabia and a nuclear Iran (an ever-growing threat particularly in light of our idiot, reality TV star "President" Donald Trump's decision to scrap the imperfect, but arguably functional Iran Nuclear Treaty signed during the Obama administration, without offering any substantive alternative, thus providing Iran with virtually NO incentive not to begin rebuilding their mostly dismantled nuclear program, which may likely be the catalyst of a regional conflict which could escalate into one of global scale between the Israel loving U.S. and an Iran-friendly Russia). Hitchens always had an extraordinary grasp of geopolitics (even when his honest conclusions put him at odds with the ideological stance of the anti-war Left who turned their back on him, despite his status as an unapologetic classical liberal and skeptic, at lightning speed) so it should be of little surprise that his words ring so disturbingly "prophetic" (note the quotation marks please) in 2019. Hitchens will likely still be highly relevant due to his observations and top-flight rhetoric and reasoning abilities, even decades from now. A truly brilliant thinker with a razor-sharp wit who I miss tremendously, especially in the age of Trump. Hitchens would have had a field day with both the political dysfunction of the U.S. and U.K. and one can only imagine how he may have cut through the crap straight to the quick of the nail.

@dashlamb9318

4 жыл бұрын

And holy shit! What can be said about the headlines of 2019? No, I think it could be argued Hitchens was a Prophet of God! Which is kinda fuckin ironic!

Hitch thought so well of the US . Wonder what he would say since the January 6 insurrection and all that went before and after

Well, now that I’ve listened Haldane speak I don’t need to eat lunch, I’m all full up on word salad.

Haldane is like a white noise generator. He just drones on in a monotone rythm and addresses things in a roundabout way. Kind of hard to even get a single point even if you try to pay attention.

55:19 "If you want to call this secular you're entitled..... but, don't try it again when I'm here." 🤣

Im here because I miss Mr Hitchens 😢 He was a rock star

Hitchens is just so, so good. Brilliant and so eloquent on so many of his remarks. The comment about being comfortable in not knowing is so spot on and, I think, once we get cozy with that notion, so many of our intellectual dilemmas fall by the wayside.

never before has one man said so much, yet said so little, as Haldane.

@Shake69ification

5 жыл бұрын

@Science-and-Reason I concur. From my own experience in an online forum debating a theist who happened to be a writer. He would always cloak his arguments in beautiful, flowery language and stories. It would usually take me more than one reading to cut through all of the BS to get to the heart of his arguments. These arguments were typically just the standard apologetics, buried deep in wordy descriptions designed to evoke an emotional response rather than relying on reason.

@ricardomontalban6004

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I call BS haldane! J

@alexae1367

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@vandal280

5 жыл бұрын

And so quietly. Ugh

@simonmo5700

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Eric Dyson can give him a run for his money

For enlightening and emancipating my mind of the religious tyranny, I am truly grateful for Christopher Hitchens 😊 💗

@yuyuhacksaw1661

3 жыл бұрын

Likewise!

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

Hitch was just a loser and passed away that way. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html

@sai_69

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block nope.

@paulgemme6056

2 жыл бұрын

So sad. Think I'll take another drink and God/Jesus will go away.

The last question at the end, right before the final comments, deserves another listen! The delivery was slightly shaky but the question and wording so incredibly woven and brilliant. Professor Gilderoy Lockharts florid answer followed by the sound of an empty room, and him awkwardly saying “silence” responding to the absence of applause, was a great conclusion to the debate. Theology can’t even answer basic questions about life, and hardly as much about morality as it claims. Rights or justices has required bloodshed, and rarely dispensed, especially under theocracy. Hitchens, it turns, struck me at a later age, as brilliant. I opposed almost all the debates I watched him well over the past decade, and only recently transcended belief into reality. Thank you for being one of my guides and helping to show me how to take the risks (and enjoy the pleasures lol) in the pursuit of truth.

Finally found a cure my my insomnia. Thank you Haldane

He’s like a human sleeping pill. My god what a long way to say nothing

How did I miss this debate. I thought I saw all of his talks, speeches, lectures, and debates. Good thing I haven't, I always like to hear the Hitch speaking. :)

@cultofmalgus1310

9 жыл бұрын

there can be only one Hitch. He is above the Hitchens' name itself :P

@cultofmalgus1310

9 жыл бұрын

***** The Hitch= Christopher Hitchens. You are actually asking stupid questiions tbh. Yes I know what you are trying to get at but the media dubbed Chris as "The Hitch", as did his fans. Get over yourself and stop trying to be clever....you're not.

@michaelbrickley2443

4 жыл бұрын

Cult Of Malgus, the cult of personality? Any man who asks who created God in reference to Yahweh is a fool. There are created gods and you find them in Greek mythology

@dashlamb9318

4 жыл бұрын

@@cultofmalgus1310, it is better to strain to be clever and fail, than to succeed at being an asshole like yourself while straining at gnats and swallowing camels over things like "The Hitch vs Christopher Hitchens. Get over your self - never mind, too late too stupid.

@wendywoo7898

4 жыл бұрын

dash Lamb dying over here from this comment 😂😂😂😂😂

Every time Haldane speaks I go into this blank stare and get the urge to take a nap.

I just discovered Hitchens' debates. I am not or do not label myself as an atheist but I wrote a paper in a history class in 1971 never having read the works of any atheists. I made many of the arguments that Hitchens makes. I did so because I was raised free of religion having come from a Jewish background which had become reformed so far left to barely exist as religious beliefs. We adopted a Christmas tree in our home in 1955 to make my point clear and with no belief in christianity or its tenets. I was not as eloquent or as broadly educated as Mr. Hitchens in my paper but did get a rare "A"!. I love his body of work and the eloquence in conveying his ideas. In contrast, Haldane is the total opposite. At no point in his opening remarks could any reasonable, intelligent person be able to identify one single statement. he simply rambles on and on with no point. How is that man a fellow? What does he educate what to whom?

@justvocals4652

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Geoffrey! If you liked Hitchens, you should listen to Matt Dillahunty, and watch his show, The Atheist Experience. It's available for free on KZread. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

@pjo2386

2 жыл бұрын

Hitchens is a pop idol to so many grieving today, and who are still unable to fill that void, as the comments show; a little god, who could do no wrong, worshippers drooled over his every breath

@dr.rickmarshall6697

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjo2386 often we can't reliably quote and report events that happened a few days ago--with all the modern technology that is available. Yet you stick to a book that was written thousands of years ago and take it as absolute truth?!? This is absurd. Enjoy your delusion.If the bible were to say 2+2 = 5, you would find a way to make that work. the study of consciousness and the nature of reality goes way back, a long way beyond even Aristotle. As a topic of study in modern universities, it generates endless discussions, no enlightening answers because no one knows not you not me no one and if anyone say they do they are a liar. if there is a higher life form we no nothing of it .

@pjo2386

Жыл бұрын

@@dr.rickmarshall6697 historical records, written testimonials, witness accounts, is a recognised science....otherwise u could argue people didnt exist before photography

@dr.rickmarshall6697

Жыл бұрын

@@pjo2386 The Bible is not recognized as a historical document by any scientists outside of the Christian faith. There are millions of pieces of evidence that all interlock with one another to paint a consistent picture for scientists. There is data from astronomers, geologists, archaeologists, paleontologists, chemists, physicists, biologists, historians…. All of it points consistently toward an ancient universe billions of years old and a series of natural events that have brought us all of the life forms that we see today. None of it points toward any sort of “god”.

Christopher is dearly missed...

@forextradingandcourses7634

8 жыл бұрын

yep, plus he never took any bullshit from anyone...

@ricardomontalban6004

5 жыл бұрын

But never merely dissed.........Oooohh Betty I done a good one I sound proper clever!

@calson814

4 жыл бұрын

@Stacy Caruso yep.

@maisiecarruthers695

4 жыл бұрын

@Stacy Caruso well let's hope god is better than man and woman if were to believe that child molester priests murderers rapists etc can go to heaven by asking forgiveness but someone that questions his existence cant there will be a lot of nasty people in heaven and decent ones in hell if that's how it works

@truedarknessify

4 жыл бұрын

Then step up, start practicing debate, and be the next thinker for our time :)

Everytime I hear Mr Haldane say "my point is", "so what I mean is this" etc. I start to listen again with hope but yet being disappointed.

@jamrollz

2 жыл бұрын

It appears to be that morals come from God because there seems to be a sort of X of the Y within all of us and basically seen in Z upon a close interrogation potentially and compellingly from our creator

Religion doesn't 'seek out truth' it asserts a set truth!

Young children understand quickly the concept of the golden rule, yet they struggle with the concept of religeous morality, particularly with its many contradictions and lack of proof.

Haldane talks a lot but does not say very much.

@dw-fe2ww

7 жыл бұрын

S. Dogg like a saying we had in the Army. When you can't impress them them your logic, dazzle them with your bull shit.

@Greenbd100

6 жыл бұрын

Agnes Philomena The John Haldean fan. Heil to you, sir

@prayunceasingly2029

4 жыл бұрын

@@Greenbd100 This is the first I heard Haldane. I didn't mind him.

@colin-campbell

3 жыл бұрын

BOSS HOGG He actually makes very good points that requires a good level of philosophical knowledge to understand. I think that’s why a lot of them go over the majority of viewers heads.

@dunlop9161

3 жыл бұрын

Why many word when few word do trick

Imagine if John Haldane had spent all the time he has spent “studying,” learning instead. So that he at least would understand what the question is and answer already.

@joelonsdale

3 жыл бұрын

Great comment, although he does improve later in the talk...

@Elisa-mg3rc

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree... I'm atheist and Hitchens' fan, but this gentleman was the first counterpart I saw that was able to hold an intelligent well-thought debate. Maybe too drafted and at some points not obvious, but no doubts intellectually stimulating.

For a certain group of people who spend their entire life waiting for death and treat life like a waiting room to say that nonbelievers live their lives without purpose is laughable.

@GlowingMpd

Жыл бұрын

👍

Haldane: This is the sort of thing we'd do over a 12 week course. Rest of the world: It's not hard, do you take sugar in your coffee?....

What a massive contrast between these two men.....

Former Roman Catholic priest, thanks to this man/mind. (No, I never "buggered" any child. ) Again, thank you, Christopher (never merely the circumsized "Chris", which he rightfully loathed.)

Haldane, the greatest distance between two points. Hitchens, the tightrope between the same two points.

My personal “Golden Rule” is “treat others as they should be treated, not necessarily as I would want to be treated.” An example is my dad who ate peanuts and threw the shells on the floor of his car. Under my “Golden Rule,” my dad would not throw peanut shells on the floor of a friend’s car he borrowed because his friend should be treated like the friend wants to be treated not how my dad wanted to be treated.

@johnboettcher1962

2 жыл бұрын

Mine is that I shall at all times observe my own behavior through the same eyes that I observe others'.

“The Church isn’t a product of the Bible. The Bible is a product of the Church.”

@schmetterling4477

2 жыл бұрын

True, but it's also the other way around. The Catholic Church would abandon a lot of the bible in the heartbeat, if it could. It turns out that it's bad for business in the 21st century.

@Quvan

2 жыл бұрын

In reality, the bible is a product of a council who wished to control its people. Christianity was created and introduced by a government. Excuse me, please. I just freaked myself out. I just realized that I don't have enough tinfoil.

@matthewmayuiers

2 жыл бұрын

@Ramsey Kagak The council of nicea?

@toni4729

2 жыл бұрын

@@Quvan If it were not written for that purpose in the beginning it certainly has been used for this reason dozens of times over ever since. Well said Ramsey.

@Jacam781

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewmayuiers I think it's 'Ikea'