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The only way to prove the truth of the gospel of John is to go back 2000 years in a time machine. .having said that it has been stated that people who speak the truth can quote conversations they heard. .John 21:23 certainly sounds like someone is quoting an actual conversation(!)
Well, Also the Fact of the Hebrew Text , that has been translated into English , as; ....."In the Beginning", of which HEBREW Word is; ..."b'rashith", meaning; ...in the "Dateless Past" !! And the Word Translated "Heaven" ( singular in the English ) is the HEBREW Word "shmim" meaning: ..."HEAVENS" ( plural ) Here is my Comment to DON CHAPMAN, of "YOUNG EARTH CREATIONISM". Donn Chapman, I want you to consider the following;....God's word, in Hebrews.11:3 declares, ..."Through faith we understand that the Worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." That means that God 'SPOKE INTO EXISTENCE' , the MATERIAL UNIVERSE !!! So how long did it take God to "Create" the material Universe ? The Bible does not say that !! But we have some interesting "clues" from Gen.1:3-2:3, concerning the "Re-Creative and Restorative" work, of the six days. God took One Day, to divide darkness and light on planet Earth. ( Gen.1:3-5 ) And this "First Day", only happened "After" the Announced ; ..."In The Beginning" ( The DATELESS PAST of Gen. 1:1 ) God took another Day, to divide the Waters. ( Gen.1:6-8 ) God took Another Day, to restore "Dry land". ( Gen.1:9-13 ) God took another Day, to regulate the SUN , MOON and the STARS, in connection with the restored Earth. (Gen.1:14-19 ) And all this was done by God SPEAKING ( Commanding it ) into being, ( as in Gen.1:9,...." And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." And Notice Donn; Acording to Job.38:4-7, the Earth was Created Long "After" the Heavens and the Stars were Created !! And the Earth was Created to be inhabited, Isa.45:18 !! And in Gen.1:10, the Word" EARTH", means the "DRY LAND." And in 2.Pet.3:5-7, we are told that the HEAVENS were of Old, and and the EARTH, standing "Out of the Water, and In the Water." So using a little Common Sense and Logic, based on the facts of the Astronomical Claim, that there are approximately 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, ( 40 Sextillion ) Stars in Space, and they tell us that each of those Stars, are a SUN to other PLANETS. Then the question I have for you, Sir,... is this; If God "spoke" things into being, as is declared in Hebrews 11:3, and God used One DAY, to complete each of the Four RESTORATIVE ACTS in the first FOUR Days or the "Recreation/ Restoration", 6227 years ago, of the Originally Created Earth, in the "Dateless Past" !! Would it not be LOGICAL to Assume that God used at least ONE DAY, to "speak into being", Each of the Approximately 40 sextillion STARS that the Astronomers Claim are in the Universe ?? And how many YEARS Does 40 sextillion "days" amount to according to your reckoning , Donn ??? So you see Donn Chapman, Even though EVOLUTION is WRONG, as to the Creative acts of God. Their DATING of Millions of years, might Not be that far off !!!! And One thing is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN, and that is that the ORIGINAL CREATION of the Heavens and the Earth, took place much more than 6,000 years ago, and Science and the Bible are Much more COMPATIBLE that you assume them to be !! As your limited Knowledge and "Indoctrinated Education", seems to be the MAIN Problem here !! Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
Thank GOD for these 2 intelligent and honest women.
I love the way she talks with her hands. It makes me think she is v passionate
There wasn't even any evidence presented to Abraham. He believed God's Word - he trusted in God and thus he was declared righteous by God.
He’s wrong, the earth is young.
Fighting about doctrine is bad, but caring enough about doctrine is literally commanded by the New Testament. Romans 5:19,20 « by one man sin entered the world and death through sin. ». Death was not the beginning.
If we go to the basics without pulling the name of any religion: I am here and there is no way I can discount myself. I recognize that I am limited especially when I see a huge Universe around. That is my existential conundrum. So I have to invent a father figure who is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient etc., and I believe by appealing to him by agreeing to be his vassal he will protect me. That is how God appears on the scene and holds power over all of us. 1.Accepting an external god and agreeing to be his vassal at all times is called Dvaitham ( classic duality in religion). 2.Accepting the external god while knowing yourself to be a spirit (self) makes one somewhat equal to god, but agreeing that he is always separate and all the omni-s rolled together and eternally paying obeisance to him is called Visishtadvaitham*. Most religions including Christianity come under this. * Visishtam means separate, detail, particular etc., Advaitham means non-dual. So those believers who agree that all others are spirits themselves co-eval with each other but have a separate existence from god, eternally. 3. Accepting a godly notion and knowing that you are a spirit capable of becoming all those qualities ascribed to god if and when you are agreeable to give up your mind, intellect and the world around you and just become a choiceless Awareness, you become him or that. This is Advaitham 4. Not accepting any god figure is Atheism. This is the difference between Atheism and Christianity.
Don’t you know atheist are delusional!! 😂🤣😂
What is it about those that like to imagine that they are -or could possibly be christians that leads them to suppose they may lie through their teeth with impunity?
the 'Saints' has supranatural power such as 'bi location' to release their 'subtle body' ie. 'doppelganger' and the figure at the crucifixion is not the real 'flesh and blood' and of course the resurrection can be happened..
Total and complete Hogwash on the transitory fossils claim
Someone who does not know that "fantastic" means the stuff of *fantasy* came up with the title"John Lennox's *Fantastic* Lecture" . Fair enough, the god fantasy is indeed a fantasy; *what_Else*could it be?
Very true! The bible is also just a description and it does not create a religion.
So glad I found this video. Very articulate and obvious that she’s genuine and a normal person…for a historian. lol
Talks like this and reading Rene Girard leave no doubt.
Great discussion.
1 Corinthians 2:12-14 Now we have received, NOT the SPIRIT of the WORLD, but the SPIRIT which is of GOD, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the NATURAL MAN RECEIVES NOT the THINGS of the SPIRIT OF GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Wasn’t this talk about De-familiarizing the gospels? I think the title is wrong (currently titled “re-familiarizing.”
Pain and suffering is often the result fo evil, not a punishment. Cancer, in particular, comes often, not always, from keeping evil in the soul by desperation, unforgiveness, bad memories, bitterness... To put it simply, not letting it go poisons us and cancer or some other diseases come. NOt to mention all kinds of poisons in nature and society...
beautiful amen
As an animals lover, why is it that when there are debates on good and evil, why we do not mention the atrocities that animals suffer at our hands on a daily basis. Many of these atrocities happen as a result of our food choices. Calves taken from their mothers at birth, and sent to slaughter, so we can eat cheese, pigs kept in gestation crates for weeks on end, unable to turn around, chickens cramped into cages unable move, the list goes on. Animals in factory farms become sick, depressed and their short lives are full of misery. Why is it always human suffering that is highlighted in these talks. Animals feel pain in the same way as we do and we need t speak u for them too. ,
@terrytigner9600 It sounds to me like you are placing a higher value on the body of scholarship that Mrs Worthen used over that of Bart Ehrman?
Bart is a singular fringe author.
@@jackgriffin117 No he not. He's not fringe at all. What makes you think that?
I would love to see both of you on Joe Rogan's Podcast. Thank you! That was awesome!
@jake5811 So what is your historical significant evidence that make you think that Jesus resurrection most likely happened? And have you looked into the details of Romuluses resurrection? Because are almost identical?
@wtillett243 The bible is a book of claims not truth. Again just because more and more people are converting doesn't make it demonstrably true.
Amazingly honest and eloquent statement!
She is saying EVERYTHING that I’ve accused atheists of from a belief stance including them needing to realize that they ALSO do have their strong presuppositions, like their strong rejection of the supernatural which forever keeps them from seeing the gospel fairly, and unprovable claims despite their staunch insistence that every single one of their “scientific” beliefs are 100% proven and not reliant on any faith. That is a bold faced lie or you truly haven’t looked at it like this woman said she was guilty of. On a much more humble note, I also have thought about some of the things she spoke of when I’ve had doubts of faith in Christianity. If the disciples were lying, how in the world did they come up with some of the stuff they did? The resurrection or some of the spiritual stuff like the Holy Spirit/Trinity. Not only is it outside of Jewish cultural norms but it’s just so odd. I guess they could have been really creative but idk. It’s hard to believe people could come up with some of that stuff. Same goes for Jesus’ red text. If he didn’t exist, then how did they come up with some of those parables and sayings? Some are just so random and weird. Like how? A lot of them explain the human condition and nature so well that it convinces me that someone extremely wise actually preached these. I believe them to be the Son of Man.
I also like to add that evidence for the Civil War is much better than that for the resurrection.
She also said about putting ones supernatural biases aside well again what does she think about the supernatural miracles of say Islamor Mormonism? If she dismisses these on what grounds does she do so?
I also like how she said it's still a leap of faith to believe in the resurrectiion. So dispite her intectual arguments for believing in the resurrection it is still a leap of faith. How does she rule out other religions as not being true? Has she investigated Islam for example?
The Jews and Christians of the First Century didn't think that heaven was some "other dimension" for example. "Popular cosmology at the dawn of the Common Era in the Middle East held that the universe was geocentric and spherical and divided into many layers (see Chapter 3, §1), with the first layer of ‘heaven’ often called the ‘firmament’ (being the foundation holding up all the others) and consisting of all the air between the earth and the moon (or sometimes the same term only meant the topmost part of this: the sphere traveled by the moon)." Carrier, Richard. On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt (p. 257). Sheffield Phoenix Press. Kindle Edition.
I like how she said that historians cannot prove supernatural miracle. This is true, historians only deal in probabilities of what most likely happened. I also want to mention the other women talked about discrepancies in accounts regarding the civil war. As far as I know there are no supernatural miracle accounts with regards to the CW. There are no demands placed on us to believe in a particular person such as Lincoln for our eternal salvation. So O think the two things are not comparible
Let me summarize this comment section: a bunch of unqualified, non-historians, blinded by their existing bias, laughing at a qualified, professional historian who is explaining how her historical professionalism forced her to challenge her previous bias.
A fiction one handed persent and only stopped people like you believe not.
As we are in reality aliens ourselves, aliens from another planet is more likely than positing something supernatural. As we’ve no evidence for aliens visiting us, the better answer is, I don’t know.
Testimony as evidence for miracles is not enough. No amount of hand gesturing makes it so. Bring on splitting the moon in half.
...our world for the last 2000 nd years .😷🤕🤒🤧🤖 ....Jesus WHO ???
Overall, lol
The truth, no matter how implausible, remains difficult to disregard.😀
How so?
She still expressed that it is still a leap of faith. It is interesting when she said that she an all or nothing type of person where she needs to decide after going through her own investigation. I wonder what motivates her to decide firmly even she have not experienced the mystical experience.
Exactly It's still a leap to believe in the supernatural
I will cut to the chase; Haldane is an idiot, I shall not want.
The Bible is not literally true, and you can make up whatever you want as to when Jesus is going to come back. As long as it keeps those donation jars full of cash.
If you believe that, the Bible is literally true, then Jesus was supposed to come back in the lifetime of the original 12 apostles.
He did you need to be careful speaking against things you know not about.
@@lemnisgate8809 oh. Wow. Good to know. Most Christians are waiting for his return. Maybe you should let us all know it already happened
@@humbertojimenez3475 I don’t need to let you know anything just read your Bible that’s what it says.
@@lemnisgate8809 ha ha ha. I grew up in an evangelical church. Every Christian I’ve ever met is waiting for Jesus to return Nobody believes he already came back & filled that prophecy
@@humbertojimenez3475 well you’ve just met one who knows better, so what are you going to do now?
I love this, Scientist Grandpa, a grandfather of faith indeed!!!! The defender of Christianity... I thank God that you were born... my faith is been attack many times, called not brilliant etc. I'm fighting for my faith in the middle of brilliant, self sufficient being, it's hard to be honest 😢
What is the difference between the “ historical” jesus and any other kind of jesus? What is the magic in “ historical”?
If you are looking for a woman who’s out of her mind, then…look no further.
What's the name of the author of that book she mentioned at the beginning? (The one she called "a slog") I'd didn't quite understand it
N.T. Wright, The Resurrection of the Son of God. Widely respected. This is part of an in depth, scholarly series on Christian origins.
@@terrytigner9600 Thank you so much! I work at a theological library and just saw that they've got it, so I'll check it out :)
I find this very funny that two women are so worked up in their talk about an absolutely corrupt Bible. After everything said, it is still corrupt.
Anecdotal evidence is very weak... for anything! Stacking layers on top of layers of anecdotal evidence doesn't, in any way, add credence to the claim. This professor's conversion to evangelical christianity is poor example of skepticism or critical thinking. As a history professor, she is aware of the importance of Historiography, and she should be committed to abstaining from bias and assessing source material that is the best evidence, and discounting evidence that is unreliable. In this endeavor, she is failing. It's one thing to convert to a new religion -- it's entirely another to teach the critical skill historiography (which history professors can and must do) and then practice and proclaim something very different, deficient, and deeply-biased.