Great Job on slowly making the improvements you were talking about in earlier vids!

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Now I have to remake the intake box and the pma housing.

I'm so jealous of all the fun you get to have with this! 🙃

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

There are so many ideas rolling around in my head. Also its fun to see the first power bill $20 less than normal this month. haha

Over 300 watts is just amazing, waiting solar install series too

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

I think the next 3 videos are the solar series!

@pablox11NEW

3 жыл бұрын

200w 24h/day is just amazing

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and in the winter it should be 370w.

I've never looked forward to winter before. But you've changed that for me this year. Can hardly wait to see how those two additional nozzles work out.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

I just hope the cold does not freeze things!

@patrickhoffmann8893

3 жыл бұрын

​@@LandtoHouse Well, that was a disappointed hope!

Fantastic. Very interesting testing. I like it.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I am looking forward to more water so I can test more.

Small tweaks, great improvements!

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Yes really helped a lot!

Solid video! Thanks for the content

Working very well, I have solar and solar water heater whoever plumbed my house messed up pipe work and it was a waste of money for me. The electric solar is another story!!

Well done

nice work - appreciate your videos

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. This hydro project has been fun.

Following this build closely for my new property, moving onto it end of the month! Thanks for all the great info!

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Very cool! This unit has made up to 370 watts with the right flow. I am going to do a few redesigns on the intake and housing.

Great as always.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! This has been such a fun project!

instead of tape you can fill the twist cap with silicone and you will have a waterproof wire seal. thats what they do for boat wires

try this conception of hausing pelton for more nozzles you still gain something for the lower friction losses of your tight curves and injectors that have to be progressively tapered in order not to generate internal turbulence

at minute 9 you see the start of the pipe: if you make it a conical outlet with a diameter at least double and then go to connect to your pipe, you decrease the pressure drops I have often used the orange traffic cones as source entrance

If you use valves that can be controlled electronically to vary the flow rate, then couple that with a pressure sensor, you could get the optimum output automatically, adjusted in real-time. Furthermore, with a wireless transmitter at the intake, you could measure overflow.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that might be in the future. Not sure how well wireless is going to travel 1100' through the woods.

@StuartJ

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse Wireless will be no problem. If you can find suitable stepper motor valves, i'd be happy to help with the microprocessor/software side of it.

Could you also use the valves in the turbo box to control the flow rate to the 4 jets, perhaps give a more evenly distributed drive? Great project 😉

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

I can try that. It would be very sensitive. Even a small opening can let out a lot of water! That 3/16" nozzle is 8gpm!

@rupe53

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse ... you could gate down ALL of the nozzles at once using the main ball valve. Just cut back and watch the overflow as your guide.

@EcceJack

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm sure it's possible to automate the total flow/overflow check up top and link that to some valves at the bottom to optimise the system..... It would be so cool!! And, y'know, more optimised, which is always nice The problems, of course, would be 1. powering the system up top (in the trees, so probably not solar! Would be nice if a bit of mini hydro could be set up to regularly charge it or something, but that's becoming rather complex!!) and 2. transmitting the data back down (I suppose taping a wire on the side of the penstock might work....?!)

@martinwragg8246

3 жыл бұрын

Could you not just measure the overall flow rate of the penstock at the bottom, it would be the same along its length?

Great video. Can't you add another drum to your overflow and add wye that into your downloads pipe? I.e. adding another 55 gallons of head pressure.

the 3/16th added more Torque, if that makes any sense So the Torque is getting the Hydro Dynamo to turn more consistently IE without losing any speed or less often You're right, if you add the 2nd 3/16th you will get more Watts though the amount may surprise you Dynamos perform at optimum when the speed consistency is good, by obviously they have a maximum level The maximum is determined by the wiring and magnets inside the Dynamo There is a chance that your Water Gallons/Minute may be good for a more powerful Micro Hydro (more wattage)

you could put a three-phase autotransformer at the output of the generator (surely it will be 400 -600 Hz for which a small size is enough, and you bring the output to a higher voltage)

Jealous of your setup and land to do it on. I would love playing with water like that.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

When I went looking for land a creek was top priority!

@brandi8907

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse having a water source on ur land is a smart idea! Never no when the main water systems may break

Awesome video what was the old flume used for?

Sounds like it needs better bearings that would help alot

Your system seems like a good candidate for a control system to adjust how many valves are open at the turbine. Low pressure=close one.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that would be fun. I might get into that someday. For now its just open. Something fun that has happened is when the water is low the pressure drops and less power is maid. When it rains the the pipe refills itself and the power goes up.

Seth I love your channel and your style! Natural thing would be to look at the nozzles in a Pelton/Turgo runner. I am not an expert at hydro, however that generator is garbage (stator magnet combo).....Also it looks like a way to small Pelton wheel attached to an of the shelf part from a motorcycle stator (which is in no way optimized for this). With your head pressure that turbine should be making at least double of what you are at. Diameter of the turbine is simply to small(You waste so much torque this way). Also If you build a "dam" for an intake to filter silt etc....The water will try to escape the easiest way. Filter/intake needs to be submerged.... The intake part of turbine with the 4 nozzles If you insist on that design and considering the money you spend on this. Get a pneumatic/electric 3 way valve of of aliexpress. What are the RPMs? out of courisity?

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I like to just head out there and give things a try. The power produced by this pma is actually spot on for the math of this type system. I actually get slightly more power than expected. (Head pressure x gpm x .18) /2 =power The wheel is so small to produce high volts. I am getting 200v out of the pma.

@Patriarchtech

3 жыл бұрын

It may sounds like I'm a sour guy who tries to impose I know it all kind of dude. It is not at all like that. I LOVE your projects, I love your ram pumps etc. . I just wanted to say that a Pelton is an impulse turbine, and so is the closely related Turgo. This kind of turbine works like an Impact Drill - Applying micro knocks to create torque (impulses as the water hits the spoons) The closer you are to the center though. the harder the knocks needs to be and the more of them there need to be. I would assess that you could increase the diameter of the wheel and perhaps look at attaching more on the stator..

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

No worries! I appreciate you watching! I am really new to water power. Something I have wanted to do for a long time and I am happy to be trying it out.

Of course you have lost me when you start taking the technical info stuff I don't have a clue on what some of stuff but other I do get it. To me it seems to add one more 55 gallon drum to catch the over flow water have water to use also. .Also why have four Nozzles when you are only using one or two at time. Don't know why maybe open 3 and 4 1/4 way or 1/2 way open or less and see if water psi can keep up after putting the same size nozzle on the other two . Like i said I'm new to all this . Looks great good job . Ps, thanks for coming back and putting some kind all weather box at Generator box .

Nice.. I hope I can have like that.. but it's very very expensive

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

My setup is high. There are ways of doing this with less cost!

@jamjuracajara1033

3 жыл бұрын

By the way , what kind of motor you've used.. ? Is it possible to use a ceiling fan motor..

If you want a lot of power double it have two hydro power houses since you're getting that much water and set them all at the same 3/16 so instead of 300 w from one powerhouse get upwards of 600 plus Watts from 2 powerhouses

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

The water flow rate is my limiting fartor. Last week the flow was only 8 or 10 gpm. Not enough to run the 1/4" nozzle. The power out was only 56watts. So I could only run 2 turbines 1/2 the year at best. Or I could run 1 turbine at 400w 3/4 of the year.

You can easily use 1,2,3, or 4 jets without any additional valves. 1 all valves closed. 2 open inlet side valve. 3 close inlet side valve and open double jet valve. 4 open all valves.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the issue is if I want to have different sizes of nozzles on there. I might install three 3/16" nozzles and the main 1/4" nozzle in the middle.

@jcardwell3rd

3 жыл бұрын

Land to House yeah you just need to logic out the gpm combinations and valve positions.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

And have more water in the creek :)

i think the 1 1/2 penstock is limiting you to around 25 gpm, may need to upgrade the top section to 3" in the future depending on flow

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

The max flow rate of the 2" pipe at 1100 feet is 39 gpm. This means my max power potential is around 500 watts. But the normal creek flow rate is 25 to 45 gpm. So a larger pipe would not help much.

Have you ever tried to run 2 of those generators off the same water nozzles? Maybe a Loc-Line 1/2" Flare Nozzle would do the trick

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

My assumption is the split flow rate would half the power output to each pma... making the same power in the end.

Don't you know that adding that next jet at 90deg. to the 1st increases the drag & wear on the bearings. You should put it 180 / opposite side to almost eliminate the bearing wear & drag. I bet you'd see an increase in power.

What about a flow sensor on the overflow or water level sensor in 50gal bucket to signal via LoRa how water input is available? Just will need a small water turbine at the input to provide enough energy to send data...

When you shut off the water at the turbine how long does it take the increased flow at the overflow to reach where your turbine is?

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Its hard to tell with the 4 or 5 springs between the turbine and the intake. But I would say 15min.

Have you thought about adding a few barrels at the intake rather than just one, so you capture more water instead of losing it through the overflow. I'm sure a float switch in the barrel would be able to alert you easily if the barrels are running low or if you have enough to open more jets. More barrels will help when you have less rainfall as you have a reserve. Do you have enough wind in the valley for a wind turbine project too?

@lilbitofeverything5801

3 жыл бұрын

Even if a barrel is 50 gallons, that only gives 2.5 minutes of water per barrel, having enough water reserves to even make a small difference would be very difficult

Did you have to go through an interconnection agreement with the utility? I know the inverter has a minimum import setting and a CT on the main coming into the house but is there a failsafe mechanism? Utilities are generally very stringent on these types of things.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

This unit is very fast to detect if there is no grid power. It is auto islanding. As soon as the plug is pulled or the grid is down the unit is powered off.

@patrickhoffmann8893

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse The description rather sounds like Anti-Islanding than Auto-Islanding. Does that mean that in case of a power loss you can not use your batteries to power the house? Or is there a switch were you can set an Islanding Mode by purpose?

Try removing the ram pump. I think it will produce the same power if not more.

Can you add a gearbox to further increase the power? Or drive two alternators from the same shaft?

@jesper87dk

3 жыл бұрын

@Morgan Andreason Gear will not change the total power, if he go up in RPM he will loose torque and current but higher voltage. Goes down in rpm more torque, higher current and lower voltage. The power the water flow and head pressure can provide will be the same no matter what you do. Is just how you choose to utilize it. Same as a transformer, for example it can provide 200VA or W on input side at 200v and 1 A. with a ratio of 10 it will transformer down to 20v, that means it can deliver 10A and that equals 200VA or W. Two alternators on same shaft, if 3 phase type as he used they will need to be synchronized else there will be a lot of loss in reactive power between the two alternators.

Why did you not make a water-tight connection in the LB? That is one of the two reasons for a 90°LB, the second is for long pulls. Also, I am very concerned about batteries in the crawl space. I know of a couple fires that have burnt down "Battery Houses"! My Cuz lost his solar bank out-house just that way. Better an out building than YOUR HOUSE! OK, I looked again and the wires out of the PMA are a little short, but you could rotate the the top of the PMA 1/4th turn counterclockwise without redoing the piping. Thus allowing wires to be closer. Or am I all wet on this? LOL But! I am impressed and want 300watts, MYSELF!

Are you on the grid as well as hydro? How does that work? I don't understand.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Check out my 10 part series on hydro. It shows the grid tie inverters. Off grid system is in the works. I have the inverter already.

Hello there. I'm just wondering if the inverter would run, if it is connected directly from the turbine without the battery thanks..

@BenCos2018

3 жыл бұрын

the inverter would get fried if you connected it directly to the turbine the turbine outputs 200Volts DC the inverter runs on 60 volts from the battery bank

What kind of water flow & elevation would it take to max ouy the capability of that turbine ? As well as what is the minimum flow and elevation required to get anything worth while out of that turbine??

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Not exactly sure the max potential of the system. I think at least 2kw. I have actually run the turbine with 50 feet of head and 8gpm. It was producing 56 watts.

How much can you make/save if you switch from running a generator off the water to running a car AC pump and doing a heat pump setup for heating and cooling of the house? The waste water makes a great heat/cooling dump and can send hot/cold coolant from the micro hydro setup back to the house to not have insane refrigerant runs.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

I actually have no idea!

@patrickhoffmann8893

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse But that is a great idea, generally. At the moment you have an AC unit back at the house which is pulling/pushing heat just from the air. But air does not have a high heat capacity. Your AC unit would be much more efficient if you could use another medium than air, like geothermal (ground-source) or your creek water. Anyhow, that would need a major update of your AC unit ...

Do you make this gear for sale? I have a river that flows along the edge of my property in the Blue Ridge Mtns in NW Georgia and would like to set up a micro hydro generator

@jamess1787

3 жыл бұрын

Langston alternative power

What Is the approximate efficiency of the water turbine ?

Ok, now that you have shown us some numbers on pay back, what is the expected life of the turbine and it's cost? The idea here is to see actual cost over time, including installation and replacement parts. Obviously we can't predict when a tree will fall and break a pipe, but you get the idea that other things will crop up eventually. Might not be an out of pocket expense, but down time does figure in.

@rzrbrn22

3 жыл бұрын

There’s also a major variable factor that’s hard to quantity with off grid systems, and that’s producing your own power when it may not be available. E.g. all the fires in Oregon are causing power companies to shut down power lines in some rural areas to prevent more fires. Grid power is heavily subsidized so it’s hard to say that your bill represents actual cost or value per kWh.

@rupe53

3 жыл бұрын

@@rzrbrn22 ... even if the power were subsidized the monthly bill he gets still has a fixed cost per Kw delivered to the customer. Here in the northeast we also have a delivery charge (transmission fee) based on consumption. Add in the base monthly fee, fuel surcharge, etc, it works out to around 17 cents per Kw. Now the problem with grid-tie inverters: No grid power means they shut down.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently the turbine bearnings are good for 5 years or more. There will likely be some extra cost over time. It is a fun hobby and will provide a nice off grid supply.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

I have the parts for an off grid setup. About to start that install. It will be so nice this winter.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

We pay around $0.16 per kwh. The savings on power with solar is $40 ish a month. The off grid system is coming soon!

hi how to order that kind of water jet hydro?

If you have two nozzles running at different flow rates, wouldn't that affect the microhydro's performance? I assume having nozzles with different diameters, would do that.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

The pma bearings are nice and strong. The different jet strengths will not cause an issue.the two nozzles are basically additive.

@TonyCaseyIRL

3 жыл бұрын

But why not use all the same size large nozzles to get the max output?

@gravelydon7072

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyCaseyIRL He has a lack of flow at times so needs different size ones to compensate. With 4 it might be a good idea to have one 1/8th inch, one 3/16th, one 1/4, and one 5/16th inch nozzles if he could keep 3 out of the 4 closed and open as flow allowed.

I mean if a 3/16 uses 8 GPM and you have 10 overflow you might as well try one more

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Not long after filming this video the water dropped down to about 15 gallons per minute. Right now it's flowing at about 10. Which means I am unable to run the turbine

@MarkRose1337

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse Why not make a 3/16ths nozzle the always-on one? Is it enough to spin the turbine?

@ericprater4017

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse Woohoo! Time for another turbine that runs on 10 to 15 gpm!

Just trying to work out the maths on the swap. If you've swapped a nozzle which takes 12gpm for one which only takes 8gpm, but you've still got 10gpm overflow, why couldn't you have run the existing nozzle at the same time to start off with if you've already got the extra flow?

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

I saw the water flow in the creek dropping over a few weeks. The flow has now dropped to 10gpm and I cannot run any nozzles. So back when this was filmed I got 2 weeks before the flow was gone.

@lougiddings4054

3 жыл бұрын

So you are saying the ebb and flow of the creek is directly correlated to the size and quantity of jets used at various times of the year. Will you be constantly changing jets and volume of water or are you looking for that optimum set up for year round use with out having to mess with it constantly. I appreciate your experimentation.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

What I pan on doing is have the main nozzle at 1/4". Then the other three at 3/16". So I can use either 12gpm and make 200 watts, 19gpm and make 330watts or I can use 28gpm and make 400 + watts.

I love this content. What do you predict time wise with money and time invested that this project pays off money wise. I’ve done the math on solar for my house and man. It barely seems with it with the investment and it might start saving me money in 10 years.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Me too. Time wise its priceless because the hobby is fun. Payoff on my system is 6 years but I got some really costly electronics. You can save $1000 easy with less batteries and cheaper charge controller. . . Now with youtube videos the payoff is 1 year or so.

@nintendolunchbox

3 жыл бұрын

Land to House I did equate fun and KZread money for you. I’m glad it’s a year. I wonder when off the ranch builds will pay off. Hehe.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Basing matts income from my channel I think he's going to be OK....millions!!!

@patrickhoffmann8893

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse I wonder if this KZread income is linear with views, so 10 x the views = 10 x the revenues!?

Hi about ram pump can we use vacuum in intake pipe becuse we dont have elevation in pump intake?

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

The head pressure is very important for the ram pump. Without that the pump does not work.

@hayderalsalman7984

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse ok thanks can you make elevation by vacuum? ...like siphon!!

You have enough experience with the Micro Hydro power now, that you should consider starting a small company installing these power machines for people who have rivers or creeks on their land It's good money making business Small companies Large Home complexes Even Residential homes All you gotta do is select the right equipment and do the comlex installation The rest of it leave it to their professional electricians Between Ram Pumps and Micro Hydro, you should get enough business around the country for decades

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Micro hydro is very fun! I am talking with a new property owner right now for a possible install. Ram pump and yourube keep me very busy at the moment. Not to mention 2 kids under 4. Haha

Is there a limitation of how much pressure or water flow the generator can take? Otherwise why limit your water flow and waste the over flow?? My humble suggestion would be using a much bigger picture to get more water flow down stream so you can use more nozzles now instead of waiting for rain. You are throwing water away via the overflow. More rain will just mean more over flow. Why not use the overflow water now via much bigger pvc down to the generator and allow much bigger outflow instead of the restrictive 3 to 4 inches diameter pvc? The design does not make sense to me.

@BenCos2018

3 жыл бұрын

He has too little flow to run it at max sometimes that's why he has to limit the flow

If you do, start a company, you will need: Good Construction expert, to install for you the Water management containers Good Electrician to install the wiring pipes etc..

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

I will likely just continue to install for individual to have youtube videos :)

Please upgrade the water storage tank 🙏

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

How so?

@mehulgala760

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse put the new tank as " overflow tank " for use another turbine. generat electricity

Im really questioning how such a big motor can only produce 200-300 watts at such a high cost.. there are alot smaller cheaper motors that can produce alot more power. What makes this one better than say a normal alternator that can produce alot more than 200 watts? Please help me understand what I am missing.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

This one can make 2kw or more. The issue is my setup. (12gpm x 163 feet)/10 = ~200w. Thats my limit. I expect to see close to 500w when I have enough water.

@glossyfpv1155

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse ah ok that makes more sense to me now. Thanks

How can I get in touch with Spencer..?

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Hello. Checkout Langstonsalternativepower.com He has a phone number and email.

Measure the wattage closer to the turbine. I bet you're losing some power because of long lines to the shed. ??

What's your full cost, including what you would have paid Langston if you purchased your generator, to have 300-400 watts in your home? I'm curious as to the ROI at $400/year vs $550/year.

Now you gotta get a Tesla and you’ll be set :)

You keep teasing me, I want to know your max output with all 4 jets on and the jet sizes optimized for your regularly available max water supply.

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

If we get a rain I will open the two 1/4" and two 3/16" and we will see the max!

👍😀🇺🇸

Can you run 3/16 on all four of them

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

That would need 32 ish gpm to operate. I have seen 39 out the overflow before. I expect that I can get it to work. I think what I am going to do is three 3/4" and the middle 1/4" So I can run several options.

@fredthompson2501

3 жыл бұрын

That clears that up thanks

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

I mean three at 3/16" haha not 3/4" that would be a massive amount of water.

@patrickhoffmann8893

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse Wouldn't it be better to have two opposing nozzles for the long-time opperation, to avoid a constant momentum on the turbine axle? What is Spencer Langston saying about this?

What are you thinking of? You ALWAYS make connections inside an electrical box box!!!

@jamess1787

3 жыл бұрын

Not a major issue, he's not even using antivibration wire nuts, so.... Who cares. It'll be fine I'm sure. Not a whole lot of slack, so no risk of snagging.

@rupe53

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamess1787 ... if we're really looking to meet code he could have replaced the steel box with a plastic box in the same location.

@jamess1787

3 жыл бұрын

@@rupe53 pretty sure this is far from meeting any type of electrical code and it's not a living space. It's a DiY project that has little safety implications of something goes electrically wrong. Would be nice to see him store the batteries outside separate from his home.

@rupe53

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamess1787 ... agreed, but batteries do have better performance and life span in a controlled atmosphere, compared to being left outside in high or low temp situations.

@jamess1787

3 жыл бұрын

@@rupe53 👍. Maybe vented battery box. Love this series, it's awesome.

Just automate it. idk how but just do it. :D

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps some day I can get some automatic nozzle adjustment. Not sure how.

@MarkRose1337

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse Might be possible to use a digital pressure gauge, Arduino, and stepper motors controlling valves. Not something I've done before, but would be a fun project!

@1981dasimpson

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse spear valve and server motor and just use float switches in the barrel to control how far or how many are open same could be done with the ball valves if min you see is 10gpm then make that the main jet and the rest come as as the barrel rises in capacity

@rzrbrn22

3 жыл бұрын

What about a setup that added/removed flow from nozzles per incoming volume? Eg if inputs to nozzles were set at different head pressures? So if flow rate was lower, only one would flow, but if higher it would increase nozzles automatically?

@jackykoning

3 жыл бұрын

@@rzrbrn22 But how. The only way seems to be something mechanical. How reliable is that? Might as well try a nozzle that widens a little bit if the pressure is really high. I don't think that even exists. Time to invent it.

If your wiring in the housing why spend the money on getting a box at all, just use existing spair conduit straight through

Not 10 3 thats 10 2 with ground just as bad as ur new friend

@LandtoHouse

3 жыл бұрын

This is 10/3. The ground is bent back.

@davidwhite5045

3 жыл бұрын

@@LandtoHouse ok sweet