I've just discovered your Channel. The reason you get so many questions as opposed to comments is that you are brutally honest and very informative on the subject matter. Thank you for the information.

That’s a lot of useful information to wrap ones head around. You seem to be quite honest & your advice of knowing what the mission of the plane before purchase is spot on . Thank you

He's correct - the cheapest part of owning an airplane is buying it. I thought I had everything covered till I got a bill from the state for owning an airplane and using their air. That was 30 years ago so i don't know if it is still true, but I've never seen any tax go away.

Great info. Thanks for sharing your own personal experiences. Not everyone you talk to about expenses is as honest as you have tried to be. Thanks again!

Great video. Thanks for sharing honest numbers to budget for reserves for maintenance. I don't have my PPL yet but will one day. Waiting for budget to come up and plan is to rent an airplane in a good local club for a while. When I get my PPL I am planning to go ahead and get my instrument as soon as done with private.

@paulcailliet9942

5 жыл бұрын

Elvis Huff about where I’m at, 23 hours and stopped for now to pay down credit card

I watched your video about aircraft ownership and pilot training and everything you said was true and the "Knowledge" by far was the most rewarding or maybe I should say the most humbling. The simple thought about an Aircraft is wonderous to me but the Knowledge I acquired while learning I carry with me everywhere. There is something else no one ever mentions while building hours towards a Private Pilot License. "People" and I mean some are just in it for the money. They can lead you on or maybe they just don't click with your personality or you with theirs while spending a lot of money before finding the right teacher is essential while at the same time often finding yourself spending years learning, something like a light switch "on and off". Until one day the right teacher Man or Woman comes along to help motivate you moving you forward in just the right way helping your dream become a reality. I started flying as a member of the Civil Air Patrol, I guess it was 1971 and completed my Private/Night rating around 1987 but got the bug of aviation after my brother brought home a book while he was working at a book bindery and gave it to me. Complete with sketches of every aircraft and Balloon along with each ones history and year they were built. That was 1962, I remember because I could read. I was 8. Somehow that motivated me to become a pilot even though my parents hated the thought and tried everything to stop me, no one in my family were or are pilots. I haven't flown since 9/11, Still your video has motivated me again and at age 65 I will need a Medical, Biannual, the right Instructor and a plane. I''ll let you know how it turns out.P.S It's October 3 2019 and I do love the cold and windy weather hear in Northwest New Jersey. I tried posting to Instagram but never really use it

Watching this has answered some of my questions. I just booked my first Introductory Lesson for next thursday (Australia btw), so the nervousness is settling in. But I've tackled how to build and repair PC's and laptops in a few months, and even how to repair old and broken game consoles.. The first step is always the hardest, but I'm sure I'll manage it, even if it does take me longer than the recommended 40 hours of flight training. Plane ownership is expensive.. unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to own anything outright for a while, since banks have declined me several times for credit over the last few years, which has absolutely demolished my credit rating (and they don't even give a reason, the bastards), but it's always nice to dream..

I'm thinking of buying an Ercoupe to learn to fly in. Any thoughts?

Is it better to buy a Phenom 300E or a Learjet 75?

hey i was just wondering, what is a good website to buy a plane from?

Alot of good information in such a short video. Thanks mate.

I'm just about to finish my PP and been looking for a Jabiru 250 ( Never fly one ) I would like to know more why you did not like it ?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

A buddy of mine has one with the 3300. Its a beautiful airplane and I really like the engine. When I flew it I was not prepared for how sensitive the rudder was. Barely any pressure and it goes crazy uncoordinated. He flies it no problem, and flys it well. Me not so much!

Nice. Good broad outline of the realities of owning a plane. Great job!

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate the comment and you watching!

But how do you buy one? Is there a website or a super secret dealership no one knows about

I paid $7.00 an hour for a flight instructor and $7.00 an hour for a cessna 150 back in 1976 when I took flight training at Meacham Field in Fort Worth. My pilots license cost me about $700 dollars total back then!

@calebdrake3544

4 жыл бұрын

Wow....time have changed. Now it would cost you $5-15k to get a license

I want to learn fly and get my license, i did fly few hours, but problem is my instructor didn’t teach me nothing.. it’s very important who are u learn from , right? Can u help ? Give me good advice.

I looked at some airplanes yesterday (NOT a pilot) and the excitement of potentially owing a plane needs to be offset with the reality. Thank you for this video, I found it very helpful and one of the best videos on the subject. Some comments are this video is is a downer but I find knowing the good, the bad, and the ugly on any subject sets expectations and one can really enjoy the good by knowing the rest.

For me,a two seater would be just fine,it just me an my dog,a t6 Texan would be good for me.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

A T6 would be good for all of us! Thanks for watching!

@avflyguy

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah.. a T6 / SNJ would drown you in costs. R985 guzzles gas just looking at it. It's a heavy and tricky plane to fly. Unless you're an A&P annual's would be crazy expensive...

@samdamanzo

4 жыл бұрын

avflyguy a Texan has a wasp, even more fuel than a r985!

@rwlewko

4 жыл бұрын

@@avflyguy Its not a r985 - its got a r1340-an1. Its got 600hp and will burn 30 gal/hr. Also its a real challenge to fly!

I enjoyed the video and amazed by today's cost of aviation compared to just 20 years ago when I taking flying lessons. I remember just $39/hrs. wet in a c152ii. $59 dual...... I've got 63 hrs. still lack night xc written, oral exams and check ride. Got out of it when flying school closed and had to drive 120+ miles to nearest flying school and their crazy membership fees each month regardless if you flew a little or a lot. After gov't luxury tax on aviation came to be the less fortunate can only dream to fly nowadays... my fav planes are P337 Skymaster, V-tail Bonanza, Christen Eagle ii and Long ez.... hopefully I will be blessed one day with a time capsuled c152ii with 0 hrs...haha

@abnrgr6216

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Good info. In my small town in Alabama I paid $130 an hour for a 172 including fuel and $25 an hour for the instructor. I didn’t pay for him in my solo work. All totaled I got my VOR license at just under $8000

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Right on! I think its a little cheaper out here. Come up to CO and fly mine! Its a crazy performer!

@avflyguy

5 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 That's a little lite for most larger urban areas. Think most budget for around $12,000 all told to get PPL. The 40 hours is minimum. 45 years ago, yeah, maybe. Got mine w/ airplane $10/wet. Inst $7/hr Soloed in 8 hours. PPL at 42 total in urban area. Now, more emphasis on avionics, communications in different airspace. A steeper learning curve so more money and time.

@bdavem

5 жыл бұрын

I'm also in alabama, just got quoted $130 per hr for the plane and $50 for the CFI...I was figuring I could still come out under 8k if I plan my time management right...I've seen videos of instructors on here where they get a takeoff, 10-15 minutes flight time and a landing..Is that normal? Doesn't seem like it should be. Especially if its being logged as an hour.

Very nice info, thank you!!!

What is the smallest plane that I can buy that is able to carry passengers so I can take people to small airports? Do I just buy a Cessna 172?

@doranjaffas9645

5 жыл бұрын

Keyon Airport The Piper Tri Pacer is an excellent bird that is not expensive to buy or own. Many others out there but as I have owned one and may own another, I highly recommend them as an option. If you have questions, write a reply. We can connect and I will be happy to pass on what I know about them and others.

Thanks for the info... It does cost a pretty penny to own a light aircraft for the cost of aircraft to Sales Tax, Luxury tax, Registration, Inspection, Airworthiness Certificate, Insurance, Annuals - $1,500, cost of fuel, oil Hangers,/Tie down, Pilot Training, Bi-Annual flight

@grumman7772

4 жыл бұрын

Sammy Davis anual inspection is Really expensive too

What about insurance cost ? I loved the video you made as it really covered most of everything except for insurance .thank you .I like also your motivation as I have been dreaming of getting my private pilot license since the year of 19999 but been procrastinating due to numerous life events unfortunately that wasn't very pleasant sometimes

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

I've said it before; getting a PPL is probably one of the best educational things I have ever done. Most of the ground school you can do for free. Do it if you can swing it! Insurance is such a relative thing! I'm a higher time pilot with a few ratings, so mine runs about $800 a year with 100K in hull insurance.

Started my pilot journey in October 2016 and passed my check ride in August 2018. I'm in CA which is always more expensive. Rental (wet) = $145/hr. CFI = $60/hr. It took me 80 hours. I've thought about buying, but yeah....those reasons keep me renting.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment!

Excellent information I have always rented I have found it cheaper if you don't fly a lot even if I won a lotto renting gives more options and less problems

Great info! Always dreamed of flying and owning an airplane but the reality was it just wasn't in the budget. Took some lessons when young to experience it but thats as far as I took it. Flew paragliders for some time which was nicest, beautiful and peacefully quiet, but I always craved the more mechanical aspects of flying that only come with a true airplane. Now I watch videos like yours!

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Don - It's never too late! I know guys that were able to get it done on the smallest budgets. Go for it my friend!

@calebdrake3544

4 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 What kind of budget?

So honest question, what would be the advantage of buying a hangar over renting? At 65,000 to purchase vs $400 / month to rent it would take 13 years for the rental cost to exceed the cost of buying and be financially advantageous. And in that time you better hope the airport doesn't close. I imagine you're probably not going to get your money back out of it if that happens. Also, since you own the hangar don't you need to insure it as well? What if a wind storm comes through and blows it over?

wow awesome video!!!! Would love to split a beer with you to hear the stories you have. You really need to do more on these conversation talks again nice!

Can you give dual instruction for a pilot rating in an experimental (RV)? Even with a tri gear plane you have to "worry" about cross winds... you need to do proper side slip... tri or tail dragger. Hanger rent sucks. I am buying a lot on a pvt strip, building own hanger. It will pay for it self. I can't see paying $300-$350 decades....

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Yup! That RV rudder has a lot of authority. Unless the wind is crazy, I don't give it a second thought! Cheers!

Very educational video, thank you for doing it.

Do you recommend buying a plane before you get your ppl? I live in a small town in Southwest Nebraska and I fly quite a bit with my cousin who is a a&p mechanic and a spray plane pilot. Right now I'm in the process of trying to talk him into doing a 1/2 share on a something like a Cessna 140. Hangars here are $90$-$130 a month.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Thats a killer price for hangar space. I love the 140! The luscombe has a little more wing, but a little less power but otherwise very similar! I'n my last video I talked a lot about mission. If you're looking for a time builder you can't go wrong with a 120/140/8a/150 etc! Do it Jared!!!!

@doranjaffas9645

5 жыл бұрын

If you are sure you want your pilot's license you can offset the expense of the airplane by learning in the aircraft that you buy. That requires some thought but will save you a lot of money in aircraft rental. Just be sure the airplane you buy is one that you were going to want to own. at least for a while.

Do they teach you in flight school how much to dip the nose of the plane to follow the curvature chart of the spinning ball earth?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

HAHA... No I think that has to be a self-taught maneuver.

@truthseeker1833

5 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 lol it amazes me that pilots that fly believe they live on a spinningball to nowhere.

Have my private ticket for years, always dreamed of my own plane, but i think you just saved me immeasurable pain. Thanks.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

That wasn't my intent! Just being real about the whole ownership thing! Thanks for watching!

@doranjaffas9645

5 жыл бұрын

Contact me at doranjaffas@gmail.com. I can show you owning can be the best in aviation. Otherwise, maybe there are other interests for you.

Xplane11 and VR headset is my affordable mission. You can fly anything then🚁👍 What’s an Rv yourefer to?

@hookeatup6616

5 жыл бұрын

Funny one day!

@bquickdraw

5 жыл бұрын

RV is a reference to a Van’s Aircraft. It is typically a home built, but depending on what model it is, can also be a factory built aircraft. I don’t know which model he flies.

@randyvanvliet226

5 жыл бұрын

@@bquickdraw Van's RV-12 is the most basic and entry level kit plane offered by Van's.

I live about 8 miles from the front range airport north of Bennett.

Pretty Frank look at it. It does everyone good to step back and be objective. Thanks for the video.

120 x 200 = wow. I really hope you mean that is the cost of flying plus putting money aside for maintenance. Correct?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah - Would be everything including hangar space, insurance, fuel, etc. Thanks for watching!

Airplanes are herd animals, more the better. You are spot on with the expense part, both of mine are in the shop. I wish hanger rent was that cheep in the SF Bay Area. Good call on the partnership option, its not the other pilots its their significant other that kill the deal.

Doc... Experimental LSA class 2 seater planes for $100 burger flights from Van's... 100 HP engines, cheap to feed, 4 to 5 gallons an hr, VFR, 10,000 ft ceiling, get your 2 day class airman's certificate and you can work on them yourself. Something like a Van's RV-12.... and a Sports Pilot License, might be a lower budget entry point for those that want to own and fly. Removable wings means no monthly hanger fees if you buy the trailer instead.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Great comment! Thanks!

@theboss5401

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing

Wanted to know how many hours is too many hours when buying an aircraft

@Deanjacob7

3 жыл бұрын

In terms of Hobbs and tach

I was thinking about going to A&P school and get my License so I can do my own repairs what you think?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Ben - Any education can't hurt you! If it's something that interests you than do it! Another option is to work with your IA. If he gets comfortable with your work, he may allow you to do some of your own repairs under his supervision and sign off on them for you. Thanks for watching!

@jimm8596

5 жыл бұрын

Northern Michigan University has a great program, I and my son both graduated from it. There's a huge market for you when you're done also!

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Jim! Thanks for the comment and for watching!!!

@tjss311

4 жыл бұрын

Idaho State University

Well I will stick to my part 103 ultralight and powered parachutes thanx, good video but those number are out in the stratosphere.

I'm an Indian Residential School Survivor, I want to show up on my reserve & buzz the hell out of the Chief's tent when I get my settlement money. Before I do I'll try & get my pilot's licence, then I'll try & figure out where to build a Short Takeoff Runway. Maybe I should get an experimental Cub with big tires??

As a 14 hear old, I thought this was valuable information. I want to become a pilot and get my licence. I've been looking around on the web. I like the Piper Cherokee 140 as a whole.cause my friends are kind of fond of me flying them to other places, and if I do pull the trigger, I could help them get places. I have about $90,000 worth of shares, but I don't know if I should invest for the licence and the plane, and all the other stuff.

@thekobaz

5 жыл бұрын

First.. Invest your money while you're waiting. Diversify. For example If you own 90k of disney stock and the stock takes a crap, there goes your money. Buy some bonds, mutual funds, etc etc. Shop around for a good investment advisor. Talk to local business owners about who *they* trust to manage their money and as a 14 year old, well of course, talk to your parents as well. Also.. don't just think "oh I have 90k, i can get my license for $10k and buy an 80k aircraft" Nope, nope and nope. You may be better off renting for training because once you finish training you're most likely going to want something completely different than what you trained on, so save up for THAT.

About to take my check ride for PPL in Denver. Going rate for aircraft rental is $120 to $170 per hour. Going rate for instructors is $40 to $50 per hour. Online ground school was $200. Written exam was $200. Check ride will be $700 for DPE plus rental for aircraft. No one finished at 40h anymore unless you're flying two or more days per week. More typical at 70h to 90h.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info!

@kwittnebel

4 жыл бұрын

Then why don't people just take two weeks' vacation and get ground school out of the way online?

EXCELLENT JOB WELL DONE DEAR SIR ... A STRAIGHTFORWARD LECTURE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING WITH COMPLETE HONESTY ... GOD BLESS YOU /

What plane would you recommend for a cross country multi person plane As muchs 2 people as possible with Alot of storage And also an engine that you need them pump things for and produces fule So you don't need to constantly pay for fule ANY SUGGESTIONS ANYONE??

This was good information, Airplane rental price sound a bit low if you are training in a DA 40 if could cost 250 an hour for rent. I have my own plane now I'm getting ready for my check ride. Should be finish in a few weeks if I push my self and the weather clears up , it been raining in North Carolina forever.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Right on 55563! Congrats! I'm sure you'll kill it!

@scottreynolds4591

5 жыл бұрын

I fly a cherokee down in Spartanburg SC. Not sure what part of NC you are in, but we should meet up and fly some time! I fly out of KSPA

@NCherokee

5 жыл бұрын

I'm in Charlotte not to far away let get together soon. KJQF.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Im outside of Denver at KFTG@@scottreynolds4591

Renting is 80-100 per hour? I pay 150 per hour

@BranGrizz

4 жыл бұрын

the world is a big, diverse place, things cost different amounts in different places.

Great information thank you

What is an RV?

@theav8rs45

3 жыл бұрын

Vans RV7a

Damn good upload oh, very interesting very informative I'm thinking along your lines.thanks

I wanna BUY a Lockheed L-1011 TriStar Tri-Jet, do Ya' think I should buy one ????????

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Ummmm... You must have a big family?

@captainpatroni4171

5 жыл бұрын

Yup', all the former Playboy Bunnies from Hugh's mansion,,,,,,,

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Captain Patroni haha!

@captainpatroni4171

5 жыл бұрын

Ya', Resurrected from the original Airport Movie !! kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6alsJhrocXamMY.html

@captainpatroni4171

5 жыл бұрын

My Father who was also a Marine from the 1950's,, was a PILOT for 53 years, before he passed away, had his own Cessna 172 (1965 model) and never had an incident in that 53 years. Always kept his plane hangered and in top shape. Flew out of New Century Airport in Olathe, Kansas and later from ICAO : MO32 Table Rock Lake Airpark, Table Rock Missouri. I have been up flying with him a lot thru the years. But, I just could never get into getting my PILOT License and actually flying, mainly because I never had the money myself to afford the kind of plane I wanted ! Tho', I do Enjoy Flying with my FSX Flight Simulator, so I can Fly any kind of Plane I want which is way cheaper, NO Fuel, "NO Insurance" , NO Annuals, and NO FAA Physicals and NO Hanger Expense !!! I love flying with my FSX Simulator, Beechcrafts, Cessnas, and all kinds of Vintage older 1960's & 1970's Jetliners,,,,

I’d think 10-12,000 for a ppl here in Texas. Hangars and CFI’s are in short supply.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, its too bad the GA ranks are shrinking!

@justanotheraviator2357

5 жыл бұрын

I got just bout half of that for mine, really a wonderful price

I don't think I heard you in the list of expenses to own an airplane but the big one is the TBO which for a 172 is around $19,000 (might be off by a couple to thousand $) this comes at around 1800 hours or so. It's a dream for some and a money pit for others. The ones that can afford it, I take my hat off for them because it is a hobby, an expensive hobby. Now, if you budget this in the hours flown then it is manageable; for example, it would take a pilot flying 200 hours a year to reach this TBO time 9 years but this is starting a zero hours. Now, if you buy an old airplane, take into account the hours left before the next TBO and you can budget accordingly. Hope I don't scare anybody but truth be told.

I know lots of people that have lots of money for golf,fishing,hunting,boats and all the other recreational activities. It just depends on what you want to spend your money on.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

True Barry... Thanks for watching!

As Cher says “ it’s better to be able to say “ I shouldn’t have,“ rather than “I could have, should have but didn’t “

Great Video😊

Yep, there goes my dream of owning one. Maybe when I’m 40+ and earning 6 figures but as a young guy, no way.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Nah! I think you could pull it off. There are a lot of different options. For instance, my Luscombe is going to be very economical to fly. It won’t be a rocket, but it will get you in the air! Thanks for the comment and for watching!

@doranjaffas9645

5 жыл бұрын

Wanna bet? The AV8R is spot on. Most anyone can own and afford it.

@alwayssomething3259

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, getting my license now and had planned on buying a plane but every video just proves it’s a rich mans hobby, at least if you want to get somewhere.

@kirbylee57

4 жыл бұрын

You could build your own airplane. I am.

@64wing

4 жыл бұрын

You can absolutely own an airplane. Step 1: become debt free. Seriously. You'd be surprised how quickly your liquidity builds once your monthly payments on a car, student loans, credit cards etc disappear. Step 2: Build a budget for your living expenses. Account for a mortgage/rent (whichever is your situation), utilities, food, gas money to get to/from work, cell phone, and car insurance. That's really all the bases that you need to cover. Don't go out to eat, pack your own lunch, don't finance a new iPhoneXTSTFU every year, get rid of satellite TV/cable. Get down to the bare necessities. Step 3: Get really good at doing your own taxes. There are two really good reasons for this. First is, you don't have to pay someone else to do it. More importantly, you'll start to understand tax codes and tables, and deductions, and such intimately. This will help you know exactly how much money you'll have after income taxes, FICA, SS etc. Step 4: Do some research into how much a hangar costs to rent. Find out if they're available at all. Start tracking average fuel costs at your intended base and your intended destinations. This will help you in the following step. Step 5: Using the information you've worked out in Steps 2, 3, and 4, start off looking at something simple (Cessna 150, J3 Cub, Luscomb, PA-140 etc). Most of those can be had in good flyable condition for somewhere around $30k. Use AOPA's aircraft loan calculator and see what the monthly payment might be on such a machine. Of course, you could just save for a year or two (or three) and buy one of these simple birds for cash. But if you have decent credit, you should be able to finance one of these for 5.5% (you can probably get even better than that) or so over 15-20 years. The monthly payment becomes pretty easy to handle. Step 6: Get an insurance quote. If you have no flying experience, this gets a bit complicated, but if you're a private pilot these airplanes can be pretty cheap to insure. Step 7: Congrats, you have all the data necessary to get a solid number for annual expenses before variable costs and maintenance. Step 8: (Monthly payment x 12) + (hangar rent x 12) + annual insurance premium = A. Step 9: How many hours will you realistically fly? Let's say 50. So you take that average fuel price you found in Step 4 and multiply it by your intended airplane's fuel burn average (let's say $4.5/gallon at 6 gph resulting in $27/hr in fuel expense). Then add about 10% again for oil and filters (27 x 1.1 = $29.7. Round up to $30/hr in fuel and oil). This is your variable cost. Step 10: Don't forget the annual inspection, registration and use tax (if applicable). Figure on $1000 for the annual to be on the safe side since there's bound to be some voodoo the previous owner didn't address or addressed improperly. Registration, call it $15...seriously. Use tax/excise tax usually 6% of the purchase value due at the time you register (or legally speaking the first 24 hour period in which the aircraft is domiciled in the state) the bird = $1800. Step 11: Add it all up. Let's say you finance a $30k bird at 5.5% with 15% ($4500) down for 20 years. Your monthly payment would be just a bit over $175. I'd say your first year of insurance will run about $800 if you're a green pilot. A hangar in a somewhat rural area should be around $150/mo. So your total Fixed cost per year is $4,700. Now, remember you plan on flying 50 hours year 1. So, multiply 50 hours x $30/hr variable cost and add the product to the fixed cost of $4,700 = $6,200. Then add the $1,000 annual, the $15 registration, and the $1,800 tax and you end up at $9015. If you like to cushion your projection with some skepticism, which I do...add another 10% = $9,916.5. Round up to $10,000 for your first year. Sounds like a lot of money, but divide it by 12 and your average monthly expenditure on the airplane including flying a little over 4 hours each month is $833. Still sounds big right? Well divide the $10,000 number by 2080 (the number of workable hours in a standard year) and it's less than $5/hr of your pay you're contributing to the airplane dream. If you can go make $20/hr somewhere you're only spending 25% of your before-tax income on flying. That's really not that bad. So you see, there are many ways to rationalize the ownership proposition, but I do always tell people two things: First, don't jump to the conclusion that you can or can't own an airplane before really digging into the possibility. Second, if after you've done all the research you still have that gut feeling that you can't afford it, you're probably right. But it won't always be that way. If you really want it bad enough don't wait for it to happen. MAKE it happen when it's safe/affordable enough to do it. Never put an object like an airplane in front of your personal responsibilities to yourself or your family (if you have one). I hope this helps you in some way. All the best.

How times have changed. I started flying in 1974 at the age of 18. Recently I was going through boxes of old receipts and found an invoice for rental on a piper 140. (Yes, I am OCD also, who saves receipts for 45 years) Anyway it was for an hour and a half and was for 29 dollars and change including fuel. I have not flown in several years so called a recommended instructor and was told it was 185.00 an hour just for the plane rental but said if I had a plane then his fee would be between 30 and 50 an hour depending on how many hours a week I would need him and if I paid cash or not. Lol. Being I am retiring in may this year so my income will drop drastically I decided it is time to sell off my real estate since my capital gains will be at about 12 percent instead of the top rate and buy a used older kitfox sel Llt up for stol performance and spend the saved money to put in the instruments that will meet my needs to get my cfi and comercial ticket. At only 4 to 5 gallons an hour fuel burn of regular car gas the cost of operation will be reasonable. My main mission aside from the certifications will be to get into remote Alaskan and Canadian fishing spots. They only cruise at about 120 but hey I will be retired. Good idea for not, what do you think?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Kitfox's are awesome airplanes! I'm sure you've seen Trent's channel. They can be unbelievable performers and really inexpensive to operate. I like the experimental aspect of them as well. One of the reasons I love my RV-7. I don't think you'll go wrong! Thanks for watching!

@howardturner4382

5 жыл бұрын

1978 20 dual 25 solo including ground school and materials 1250 dollars what happened to the dollar?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Oh good lord! The good ol'days! Thanks for watching!

Im from cape town south africa. Im a tourguide and opperator. Would love to move to Colorado. If I ever am bkessed with moving I'll pop in. Even if Im just visiting. Your vids are awesome!

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

You'd be welcome to swing by! Hell, I'll take you flying! Thanks for watching!

@horeamarinescu1016

5 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 thanks a mil! Would love it! Let me know if you and your fam would like to come by Cape Town sometime. I'll organize y'all a nice tour. My instagram is sidelineadventuretours as is my Facebook page.

Great info. I came away from this thinking that it’s doable. Especially since I just paid $195/hr for dual instruction in a 1964 model 172. I really like the aircraft but the panel isn’t standard and it messed with my scan. The vacuum system is driven by two venturi’s so not really a good IFR platform. That said, if I owned my own aircraft I would still rent it because it was fun to fly and the owner/instructor is a joy to fly with. I have my license but got away from flying for far too long. My mission is a combination of get current, get back on my instrument training and get that rating, fly home (where my grandkids are) every so often- KFMN to KVCT to KFMN, travel to events like Oshkosh and Sun and Fun, fly, did I mention fly? Take my grandkids flying in the hopes that they’ll want to fly. With that in mind a older Mooney or older Bonanza seems like a good fit... but then I have to wonder, how much local (inside of 100-200 miles round trip) will I really do? A C182 seems more attractive. Gear is always down (if it isn’t then there are bigger problems). Fuel burn isn’t horrible. High density altitude is a thing here at KFMN so there’s that to consider. I’ve been looking for something to buy for about 6 months. Prices for some types are inflated (said the buyer) and it’s a buyer beware market. A lot of aircraft with deferred maintenance or worse, lots of time spent tied down are on the market.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Michael! Yeah, if you can afford the cost of entry, owning isn't a bad way to go. You can cut the cost way down by going experimental. I might do a video on that because its a huge opportunity for those who can't quite afford the certified nonsense. Thanks for watching!

@doranjaffas9645

5 жыл бұрын

I concurr with AV8R completely.

@kwittnebel

4 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 so did you do this video? I think it is interesting to compare.

I am currently selling a house and moving to a lower cost area (also lower salary) but I think is going to make my dream of flying more attainable. a local flight school trains with the 65 HP cub, next summer I'll start with the LSA license and see where it takes me My dream is to own a classic two-seater VFR like the cub, champ, luscombe, Cessna 120, you know the drill, something like that for short fun flights, and only the very occasional cross country (Oshkosh one day maybe?) for at least 10 years, then I can re-access if I can move up to something better, or if it was all a waste of money and sell. My fear is buying one of these old planes which are simple and are not gas guzzlers, but because being so old they become a money-pit of repairs anyway. Also my local airport is only 120 miles (Straight line) from both Boston and NYC, I hope I can take weekend trips with the girlfriend occasionally, but that might mean airspace restrictions with avionics I might not have, my plan is to keep steam with only an IPAD with ADB info, I guess I'll find out as I go through training and understand these issues more

Have you ever sold one of your airplanes for cheaper than you bought it. I realize you probably made improvements along the way but try to do that with a car. There are many ways to look at ownership and I'd rather drive the same car for 15 years and have a nice airplane!! New F-150 is around 50k and won't be worth 25k in 3 years. Also something I've learned in research is that you have to fly at least 50hrs per year in a simple airplane to beat renting. In a more complex aircraft (constant speed prop, Retract, More cylinders) It gets alot closer to 100 to 150 hours to beat renting. Love your content and soooo jealous of that rv!

Now I just want to own and fly a small plane personal private license.

When u coming back to Boise Idaho area

@Damianthelovetour2024

5 жыл бұрын

Would enjoy meeting u and going to dinner

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Hey pal! Good to hear from you! Not sure exactly, but I'll be in touch if I am!

Thanks good information to know

Great info

more than $100 per flight hour for maintenance? I hope I never run into your mechanic.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

The math is pretty simple based on 200 hours a year: Fuel: $45/Hr, Annuals: $10/Hr, Insurance: $5/Hr, Storage: $24/Hr, Oil Changes: $8/Hr... That doesn't even account for Misc stuff that happens. Thanks for watching!

i want a global 7500

On a budget...Why would you buy a 150 when you could buy a Tecnam Sierra (acrobatic) which is 40 years newer and way more fun to fly for the same price which burns 5GPH??? Very cheap to own and operate. I have a 182 as well and I prefer flying the Tecnam every time. Insurance cost is almost nothing. Annuals are $500. Ballistic parachute. No brainer.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Not a bad option if you can afford one! Thanks for the comment and for watching!

Long or not love em all.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Aviator!

I'm at the point now where I think my business would benefit from having it's own private airplane. Your video it getting me excited for hopefully my new project! Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

I used to travel a lot. The airplanes made what would have taken months happen in weeks. If you're in and out of small towns within 4-500 miles, its the only way to go! You won't save money, but you'll make a lot of money if you use them right!

@rodeosound

5 жыл бұрын

Gabriel he didnt answer the question I was wondering the same thing

I own a 1960 Cessna 172, I spend 15,000 bucks a year, maintenance, hanger, fuel, insurance.

@chuckhiggins15

4 жыл бұрын

I's not a car-vehicle. check this video, good.

Phenomenal!!.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Hey! Thanks for watching!!!

Got a Subscriber! Thanks

I want to do arial manuvers for fun. Thoughts?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Go do it my friend! You won't regret getting good behind the stick!

You and I are of a kind, sharing OCD characteristics. It does make life a little more challenging, but I am getting better. I must ask, in light of that, is that a hitch pin in the door hinge instead of a hinge pin? Deferred maintenence indeed. For shame. In four to five years when the mortgage and car are paid off, and if, during that time I can get a job advancement with more money, the purchase of a small aircraft may become a possibility. A Cessna 150, Ercoupe, a surplus Klingon D7 Battle Cruiser, or the like will probably come in at less than the cost of buying the car I have. I would want my aircraft to be a completely white canvas, onto which I would paint red stripes so I could pretend I was flying a Battlestar Galactica TOS Mark 1 Viper. galacticafanon.fandom.com/wiki/Viper_Mark_I Thanks for the video.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Actually, those are quick release pins. You can pull them from the inside of the cabin if you have an issue and the doors come right off. I think they are much safer than the stock configuration. Thanks for the question and for watching!

@ussling

5 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 Ok, call me red-faced. Thanks for the clarification. Reminds me of when I lived in Aurora CO back in the 1980s to early 1990s. A friend was going in vacation and he tossed me the keys to his Jeep CJ 5 or 7, and said to have fun with it while he was gone. I pulled the doors off, and I did have the prescribed fun.

LOUD MUSIC!!!

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Sorry, I forgot to turn it down! Thanks for watching!

@hamood8695

4 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 It's ok man

a big caveat your leaving out, especially those folks that just want to fly something is the SPORT PILOT LICENSE. its typical of high time pilots with multiple ratings to brush off that particular certification. but it allows a person to fly non complicated aircraft for the pure joy of flying and lets face it, how many people are getting certificates to become instructors or ATP certified? the homebuilt market is full of aircraft capable of manufacture at home. that alone saves a lotta cash each year as you as the manufacturer can sign off on your annuals. and most can operate on auto fuel . so operating costs go way down. and then we come to the licensing to become a sport pilot. your flight hours are half the time for SINGLE ENGINE LAND certification and no medical is required. you can self certify that your medically able to perform. in the case of medical if you are medically able to hold a drivers license thats about all thats required. and then we come to the HIGH TIME PILOTS most hated niche, ultralights. many people have some form of medical condition that prohibits a certified license. or even a LSA. but because ultralights are not considered AIRCRAFT, BUT INSTEAD AIRBORNE VEHICLES FLYING UNDER PART 103 OF FAA REGS MANY people not normally able to get licensed can now and have been for a long time able to fly. and the world of ultralights is light years ahead or 30 even 20 years ago. materials, designs and improvements in general have advanced immensely. now the catch here is the parameters, weight empty 254 pounds, 5 gallon fuel capacity, vne 55 knots, stall speed 28 knots no operating over congested areas and day time flight only. and there may be a few i'm missing but its all covered by part 103. the reason i know all this is because i used to be president of EAA CHAPTER 98 several years back. i recieved my S.E.L. from my dads flight school in roubidoux california at a small country airport called FLABOB. HE HAD HIS SCHOOL FOR 28 YEARS AND TAUGHT MANY MANY PEOPLE TO FLY. he sold the school in spring of 2000 after my step mother died and moved back to OKLAHOMA our home state. in 2012 i had a heart attack. no open heart was required but it had me worried about flying. thats when i looked into all the different forms of flying allowed by law. i even built my own home built aircraft. a bowdler supercat. and i own a weedhopper ultralight. so if anyone thinks they can't fly my remark is bullspit. there are many options and oppurtunites. so give them a look, might be a real eye opener.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Great comment! Thanks for taking the time to leave it. I like the LSA rules and several of my friends have gotten their LSA ticket! As you said, its a great option for those that just want to go enjoy pure stick and rudder flying! I do wish they would broaden the rules, with respect to the planes LSA pilots are allowed to fly. The FAA taking baby steps I guess!

@margaretchriskurtz3819

5 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 thanx for replying. didnt mean to sound like a jerk about high time pilots but i have SEEN some with a holier than thou attitude on lesser ratings or ultralights. i call it the certified mind set. my dad had it, lol. until he seen me fly my experimental. as to the larger group of aircraft you would include would you mind telling me the ones you would like to see? myself i would like to see cessna 150/152 added. maybe even piper cherokee 140 smaller certifieds that may just be over the 1,232 threshold. my favorite would be the American yankee, and the RV line . love to hear your take on it. chris.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

@@margaretchriskurtz3819 I'd love to see it expanded to VFR 172's and the piper and beech equivalents. There is no reason whatsoever that an LSA pilot couldn't fly a cub, husky or any of those, as well. If I were the FAA, would do anything I could to broaden the opportunities for the LSA guy's and gals! A pilot is a pilot in my book!

@margaretchriskurtz3819

5 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 good choices. i could live with that.I did my flight training on a 1962 cessna 172 straight back straight tail with manual flaps. I loved that plane. i did fly the 150 a few times and the 152. but i didnt care for electric flaps. but I think the FAA will sit on their weight and two seat constraints for a long time. maybe its up to us pilots to push for changes you know how the FAA drag their feet. and i agree we need more people flying, buying, and building. anything to breath life into our stagnant hobby/ way of life. my problem is the pilot pool is aging just as in remote aircraft not many younger people are attracted to it. i have three sons and none are into aircraft, not sure what happened there, lol. again thanx for your response. Chris.

@mauriceevans6546

5 жыл бұрын

@@theav8rs45 manufacturers are expecting the rules for light sport to change in the next year. They are expecting the weight to go up to between 1500 to 2000. The speed is expected to be raised to 150kt. I spoke with a dealer for the areopilot legion. I am light sport and will be ordering my areopilot legend next year from the factory

I have been a pilot for 34 plus years with ratings. Have owned a few. Still own. A luxury liner? Nope. But a very nice Tailwind W8 with a W10 wing. A good 2 place x/c bird with an 0-200. Climb at standard pressure is 800 fpm loaded. Cruise: 125mph. Top: 150 plus mph. Fuel burn: 3.5 gph. Condition Inspection: $200.00-$400.00 per year. Hanger including electric: $200.00 per month. My net income: 45k. What I don't spend money on: beer, cigarettes, bowling, going out alot, new vehicles, etc. I have owned factory builts as well and have done routine maintenance myself. On my Tailwind I do it all and log it with the condition inspection sign off. We live well with our new home, nice but used vehicles, used motorcycles ( also nice ) . In short, flying isn't inexpensive but it is manageable. If you are an " aviator " you will forever be changed by the experience of flight and are willing to forego other " hobbies " for this unexplainable wonderful thing we call flight. Welcome to this world. If you really want it, it will give you far more in truly living than anything else you will do. So, climb in, buckle up, move the throttle forward, feel the acceleration, ease back on the stick/yoke and climb to a freedom that can only be experienced and never fully explained.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Nobody could have said that better! Thumbs up!!!!!

@doranjaffas9645

5 жыл бұрын

The AV8R's Thanks. I subbed your channel. Anytime you are in Central Lower Michigan let me know. I'll pick up the $100.00 hamburger tab. Doran Jaffas N625MS KY70 Ionia, Michigan

@charleyh8518

5 жыл бұрын

Doran Jaffas hangar fees here central Florida $400 monthly

So is always pretty expensive.

T-hangars around me are $100-$200 a month. Pretty cheap. Gotta love the small Ohio municipals

@bradleybowman2071

5 жыл бұрын

Greg what part of Ohio?

@Ichibuns

5 жыл бұрын

@@bradleybowman2071 Central. North of Columbus. So far I've checked with Morrow County and Delaware

Cool ! Keep doing !!! Hi

You are extremely experience one and PLEASE- open your personal opinion without any obligation- why zhabry is the wrong one to perches?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

???

@olegmatyushenko9761

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry- I mean Jabiru- why it’s not the one- you like?

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Oleg - The jabiru is a well made airplane and I absolutely love the 3300 engine! The rudder forces are so slight that it yaws a lot if you're heavy footed with it. Might just be the one I flew. The owner of it loves it and his opinion is probably more reliable than mine.

It comes down to money. You got it; you fly. You don't; you won't.

@Aero360Aviation

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, unfortunately.. :-/

@doranjaffas9645

5 жыл бұрын

Star Trekker You do not have to rich. Many aircraft are affordable if you make a middle class ( I don't like that term ) living.

Learn to balance your intro audio with your narrative audio.

Training is about 7000-10,000 for s complete course

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and for watching!

@The305Garage

5 жыл бұрын

I'm in Miami Florida. The going rate to get your PPL out of Miami Executive Airport (Tamiami) is in the range of $12,800 to $14k Typically $120 an hour for the 172 rental, and $50-59 an hour for the CFI.. This is for usually 50-57 hours of flight time, and 45 or so ground school. FAA check ride is $700. My teenage son is in training now.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

@@The305Garage Thanks for the info!

A new one is the way to go. If you can't afford one fly Delta.. The reason is there are lots of used ones that are garbage and not safe to fly.. Everything cost to much now look at cars.. If you like seeing money fly out the door get a used plane..

Someone vives him a tissue!!!!!!

In my neck of the woods hanger alone puts you back $1200.

Yo I can’t even afford to start on my license

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Save up and git'er done!!! And keep us posted!

@momruoynotunasub

4 жыл бұрын

Don't stop trying! I was barely able to afford a lesson every two weeks but I put my self out there and wouldn't stop trying. I didn't absolutely everything I could to get up in the air and I landed a sponsorship. Long story short I only have to pay for a FI! I fly about once or twice a week now. Just keep working at it!

As an ENT doctor, I can tell you right away you: Need a Rhinoseptoplasty or you have a very a bad allergy. Don’t defer your “annual”, you will regret in the future.

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Or it was freezing in my hangar! ;) Thanks for watching!

Enjoy all your videos but this one the sniffling was very distracting

New subscriber. 👍

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Gary! Welcome aboard!

Kind of like a boat......fun I love flying.....

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

If it Flies, Floats or Fornicates... Prolly ought to just rent!

Solid and concise report. Well done. I'm a new subscriber! Thanks. Jeff Halverson

@theav8rs45

5 жыл бұрын

Welcome Ralph! Thanks for the comment and for watching!

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Holly loud intro!!!

@larryhall7998

3 жыл бұрын

HUH