WATCH PHOTOGRAPHY - CLIENT SHOOT
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C H A P T E R S
00:00 Welcome
00:15 Intro
01:13 The client
01:36 The set up
02:12 Arca Cube + Manfrotto 3-way head
03:05 The PGI process
03:38 Camera + lens
03:44 First shot
04:01 First flash
05:08 Diffused light
05:38 IKEA Melodi pendant
07:38 Reflector + grid
08:06 Second flash
08:35 The post process work explained
09:25 Photoshop quick look
11:23 Focus stacking explained
11:58 How to place the flashes correct
12:22 The other angles to shoot
13:05 Outro
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You are the best artist so far in youtube , I enjoy learning from you. All the best.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀 You just made my day. Makes me so glad to hear this.
@Kumnak
Жыл бұрын
Totally agreed
Your work is simply amazing, nothing more to it, just the best.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you! Very kind.
Good to see you back in action Martin! :)
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks man!
You cant just leave us without a postpro video :D. After seeing the final edited version i just have to see how you have done it Martin! A-MA-ZING JOB!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
I will do a post prod video! Absolutely! Coming soon my friend!
It is good to see you Martin 🙏🏾 Your retouching work is so clean…this is crazy !!!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀 Loads of work, many many hours unfortunately but hey, what can you do? 😁
As always great work Martin and I hope you're doing well. We had a client wanted us to photoshoot jewellery photos for her e-shop (each ring or earring would cost about 2000 to 10000 euros per piece). She wanted to pay only 30-40 euros for each final edited photo, she said that even 40 euros seems expensive to her !!! They don't understand the work and effort in order to achieve professional results, none wants to pay.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
I would just tell the client: Good luck. I feel your frustration and nowadays I don't even take the discussion about pricing, it's just a waste of time. Many clients are inexperienced image buyers and some say we need to inform and educate around pricing. I just don't have the strength to do so nowadays. First thing I do when I get approached by a new client is to ask what budget they have. I also add that my prices are around USD400-800 per photo depending on what kind of photo they like to have. The sad news is that 90% will just disappear. Silence. But, I prefer to do one good payed job per month instead of 5 low payed jobs.
This is what i have been waiting for fo rso long!!! a REAL client shoot!!!!!!!!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Great! I have some more client shoots under the coffee supporter member area. 😁
The back and forth between the raw version and the final result really blew my mind. Amazing job, Martin!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Big thanks mate! Yes, a lot of retouching. A lot!
Love You! It's that what I have been looking for!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
That's great!
Amazing work ethic!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
This was wonderful, Martin. It's always great to see you work through the process (and it helps us in our work). And I'm glad you talked so much about post-processing and the huge amount of time it can take...even if it is fun. I constantly have to remind my clients that shooting is the easy and fast part, maybe only 20% of the total time it will take to make their final image. And, unlike landscape photography where a focus stack can just be a few images, in product photography, we take a lot of slices (although typically not 200, LOL). Keep cranking out the great content!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Peter, big thanks. The sad part of it all is that I have to stop shooting watches, that I love, no one can afford to pay a reasonable price. But there's a lot of other fun stuff to shoot so, happy days 😁
amazing and enlightening work!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for sharing your tips. Great video
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
That heavy HEAVY photoshop work there. And here i was today removing cements bags from a corner with grass and gradient light on the texture wall. thinking I was all powerful xD Will love showing the before and after to clients xD
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
😁 Great mate!
Really cool Martin, i started watching your videos years ago,when i started to learn photography my photography has come along way and thats thanks to people like you sharing this information.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful Mark. So nice to hear you say this. Thanks for sticking around!
Learnt a lot as always. Great to see you back Martin..! Hope your recovery is behind you now. 😊
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Soon my friend, soon.
Wooooooow! Congrats!!!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
Hello! In order to place the watches cover glass parallel to camera sensor you can to point the central focusing point to the center of the watches and rotate them to see the reflection of the front lense of the camera lense symmetrical to central focussing point. I hope my explanation is not too complicated ) Have a nice day!
@botvidsson
8 ай бұрын
That was very smart, I will try that next time. Thanks!
Solid work as always. Very informative and helpful. Thanks for sharing 😁
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
Great good to see you back cheers.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks!
Отличная работа!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Спасибі
Good to see you back I hope you are fine🤩👍
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you. Getting better every day.
Martin - as always great job and informative explanation of what you do as a professional. Thanks a lot. Greets from Poland :)
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks Piotr!!
amazing wok! it would be great if you can show us how you do the retouching in photoshop.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
I will try to do a video on that.
@krisztiankomjati4095
6 ай бұрын
Hello @@botvidsson have you happened to make this video of the retouching of this particular shoot? If not something similar?
Legend from Sweden )))
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
😁😁😁
Beautifull image Martin :)
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you man! Cheers!
Nice work 🔥🔥
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🔥Alex!
good to see u , long time no see u
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Great!
Hej Martin, ny kaffesupporter här! Foto är ett alltmer växande intresse hos mig och vill verkligen ge mig in i produktfoto. Du ger mig enormt mkt kunskap och inspiration inom området. Så tack för en otrolig kanal och fint att du är på benen igen. allt gott! /Anton
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Hallå Anton och supertack för att du stöttar kanalen. Ja snart är jag nog helt återställd och kan prodda lite mer kul videos. Kommer två till klock-videos inom kort. Ha det fint!
PGI I LOVE 😍
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Me too! 😁
PGI letters keeps industry more relevant next to CGI 😂
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
😁
bester Kanal
@botvidsson
10 ай бұрын
Thanks mate!
I know your feeling and I dione exactly the same :) I feel your pain hahahaha
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
😁 Yeah, life of a photographer. Only a fellow photographer can understand.
@pvetesnik
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidsson I actually have those lamp shades in kitchen and when need to shoot watches I just remove it and use it. It is very awesome solution :) but your result is much nicer :) I was supposed to shoot 3 different watches in combination with 13 different bands :D and as you said 90 procent of postproduction 10 percent of shooting. I spent 2 days shooting and like a month editing. It was a nightmare (kind off) 😂
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Ah cool! Yes, that's how it is. Edit edit edit... 😁
As someone said: "There are two calamities in this life: 1) having a job; 2) not having a job 😆😆😆😆😆 Still wanna complain, Martin?
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
True! 😁😁😁 Well, if I could not share this photo shoot with you guys here om KZread I would not take on this job. Nowadays I actually pick the 2nd option more and more often... poor and proud! Or something like that 😁
@tedming3515
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidsson This watch is an excellent work, Martin! I hope you don't go on starving there in Sweden because of the lack of work and will keep on giving us joy with your work. 🙂
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
I will survive 😁 Thanks again!
@tedming3515
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidsson Please do, Martin. Stay alive and do your work. 😆😆 kzread.info/dash/bejne/g5Z3mMaFd8LKgbw.html
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff! 😁😁😂
Hey, great video, love it! How can the issue of the cone being at a considerable distance from the product be resolved? Using zoom? Even if considering that zooming in reduces the photo quality? Without using zoom, the product appears quite small in the image, and as I know distance from the subject and zooming in (changing focal length) is not the same thing. I learned that it might be related to the so called focal length, however still don't understand if the cone limits you moving closer to the subject what should you do?
@botvidsson
3 ай бұрын
I understand, I experienced the same thing shooting rings with the cone, so I just changed the lens, a zoom. No problem.
@krisztiankomjati4095
3 ай бұрын
@@botvidsson Hey! Oh, could you please explain more in depth what do you mean you changed the lens? Because I experienced that using a higher focal length lens might not solve the problem where you are to far away from the product just like in this case where you have limited access or moving capabilities :/
@botvidsson
3 ай бұрын
Oh sorry I misunderstood. You mean that you can't come close with an IKEA cone shooting small jewellery? That's a problem yes, maybe cut the hole a bit bigger 😁
Great work as always Martin! I would love to see how you rigged the watch for the back shot. How did you hold the strap and bracelet open? I'm guessing wires? The shots look incredible. Also, what is your preferred technique in post for smoothing textures? Finally, would you say digital backs are the most optimal format for Watch photography in particular because of their resolution? I've been thinking about saving up for H5D or an older Phase IQ system. Would love to see a comparison video between your hassy and canon on a product shot. Keep the videos coming !
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Here's a raw shot of the black watch: shared-assets.adobe.com/link/3231bf59-a75c-46aa-43d4-b2c53201060b It might be hard to see but I just took a white wooden brick and leaned the watch. Also I put a bit of blue tac so the watch will not glide. On the steel watch I did the same thing (link open yes) and used some gaffa tape to hold the link up: shared-assets.adobe.com/link/a425c8df-f407-454f-4b2c-34750dbf63be Smoothing textures, I try to avoid that as much as possible cuz it often looks bad. However, on the black rubber strap I used Median in Photoshop. I also use a frequency separation action from time to time to keep the texture and smooth out the colors below. I never tested any PhaseOne so I can't talk about it. When it comes to my old H5D 50MS Hasselblad camera you will still today get a greater result than any regular DSLR or mirrorless camera. You have the 16-bit colour depth and that's amazing, it delivers smoother tonal transitions. Very important if you shoot like me with a lot of gradient lighting. The bad thing about my old Hasselblad is that I can only shoot at the lowest ISO, if I crank it up to ISO400-800 the files will be trash. Not often you need to change the ISO in a studio senario but sometimes it is a bit frustrating. I will try to do a comparison video between the Hasselblad and Canon. Compare the quality of the tonal transitions. Thanks!!
@ules714
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidsson Great insight, thank you Martin! By the way, have you considered developing product photography courses? I think your style of explaining theory and knowledge of the subject matter is unlike anyone on KZread. By far one of the best channels on KZread for learning and gaining new skills.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
@@ules714 Wow, huge thanks. Well, I do have courses/workshops from time to time. When I get some time over I will add this to my website. Did you have digital courses in mind or?
@ules714
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidsson Sure, as much as I would like to see more in-depth product work, I think some food photography videos would be great. Your food photography is unique with your use of lighting and shadow play. Would love to see more of that and your creative process from pre-production to post work. Perhaps some videos on photoshop in regards to retouching. I think post-processing is where a lot of photographers fail or have difficulty and your retouching is world class. Also, shoot more watches and jewelry :)
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
I actually started out as a pro retoucher before I became a photographer so... I guess I should do more Photoshop videos... working on it. So little time so much fun videos to make. 😁
gorgeous work! So how many days did it take you to complete the whole project? were you able to work faster with each photo as you went?
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
In total I took 8 photos. Don’t know how long it took, maybe 2-3 weeks. Hard to say cuz I did other shoots in-between. Nowadays I rarely take on watch shoots cuz it’s impossible to charge a reasonable price. This time I did the shoot for the KZread channel and the coffee supporters. I see it as an investment into the KZread channel. Thanks man! 😁
@James_m7
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidsson what is the going rate for a shoot like this nowadays?
Just found your channel and love it. Question. Why do you have to focus stack? Will shooting at a high aperture not get everything in focus? F8 or F11?
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
When you’re very close you have to stack, only a tiny part will be sharp even if you go to f32 or something like that crazy. Also, when you go extremely high f-number you loose the over all sharpness. Thanks mate!
@toddtucker323
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidsson thanks!
Nice video. Could you tell what software you use for capturing the shot? And why did you switch from Capture One to this program?
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
The software is Phocus and it's for Hasselblad cameras. When I photograph with my Canon I still use CaptureOne. Thanks!
I don't have a macro lens, just a 24-70 & 70-200. Is it possible to create a similar picture to this one or it's very limited?
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
The Canon 24-70 you can go close I think. Works great. If you have a camera with a crop sensor, even better.
@tamasbrenyo1348
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidsson Good to hear that, thanks for the quick response. I have a 5d mk II so full frame.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
@@tamasbrenyo1348 I mean, if you don't need to take close up macro photos, any lens will do. Personally I prefer the look of 70mm, 85mm, 100mm ish kind of photos.
@tamasbrenyo1348
Жыл бұрын
@@botvidssonWell I would like to replicate this very pespective you had here, which is not a super macro close up.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Yes, you can do that
how do you move the crown in in photoshop?
@botvidsson
4 ай бұрын
Just cut it out with the pen tool, copy to separate layer and move the crown in.
My main problem as photographer is to tell the client my prices. Everyone refuses after that. Only 3 or 4 photographers works in the whole country. That's so demotivating. I'm about to quit. So frustrating.
@Readingworld2023
Жыл бұрын
Just do like me, i ask the client ( are you looking for a price or quality? ) , and always remember to let your work speak on behalf of you!
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Sounds tuff and I know how it is, I turn down one watch client per week... very frustrating. But don't give up, find a way!
Ikea product link available ?
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/melodi-pendant-lamp-white-10386539/ Not sure if it's available all around the world.
I do cgi renderings of watches when the watch doesn't exist yet, otherwise, photography is best.
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Ah of course, I did not think about that. The watches I shot this time are pre-production, not ideal. I must say that I kind of changed my mind, CGI is the way to go, photography will be way too expensive. The retouching will take too much time.
@meh2063
8 ай бұрын
@@botvidssonboth take time, with CGI you must figure out how to get the exact shapes as the real watch, no tolerance for mistakes.
What's up?
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Watch photography! 😁
Photographers slowly moving to cgi now a days especially for automotive and products... No need to focus stack and clean the image to insane levels...
@botvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Yes, no one can afford photography nowadays and IMHO, the CGI at the top level watch brands often look like... CGI.