Very enlightening. I'm 66 years old and spent my entire career in the oil/gas valve manufacturing business, half in Engineering and the other half in Sales/Marketing. I completely understand your frustration when you try to have a proper dialog with the manufacturer and get condescending, non--responsive attitude in return. Our company learned early on the value of listening to complaints from the field, and more importantly, ACTING on those complaints. First actions are to honor warranty, as they apparently have. But, the more important action is to adjust design/manufacturing aspects as necessary to improve the product. I'm [currently] not in the market for a turbo kit, but I can see the legitimacy of your concern. The engineering side of me concurs with your conclusions. Jackson Racing ignores these at their own peril. As always, thanks for sharing. Steve

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!!

Thanks for this video there will be no Jackson turbo kit for me

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

I don;t own a Honda Talon, but if I did, I would definitely not install a $6K piece of equipment to increase the performance without doing some serious investigations! Thanks for sharing this information, and SHAME on Jackson Racing for not listening to the customers!

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t investigate when you’re the first one to buy it. I made the video for others to be prepared.

First off thanks for the content. As bad as a Polaris... 🔥 burn!! Unfortunately... my turbo kit is on order. I guess we need to weigh out repairing turbo vs replacing a belt. It's starting to look more enticing. Maybe we reach out to Honda to hold Jackson accountable. It's not just Jackson being dragged in the mud. Jackson has the monopoly being honda honors the factory warranty with Jackson's kit so maybe that's part of the lack of motivation to improve. Honda (any sxs dealer) doesn't recognize the turbo kit in the trade value. The krafts kit looked a little janky for lack of a better term (for now). It's really unfortunate Jackson has not tried to improved their product or apprecitiated your feedback. I got a turbo kit because I need the power for the dunes but I don't put nearly the miles on my talon.

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and I agree!!

@videosatrandomplease9933

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks again Russell. I reached out to machine shop. I was the greenhorn.. I think he went and got pics lol showing what I need to send him off your machine.

Thanks for your true honest opinion Russell. And this video is great for the talon community. I don’t know anyone that has as much seat time with a turbo talon then you. That header from bell engines is stout 👌🏼 and I can’t wait to see your car finished with all that HP 🤘🏼

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother!!

Sorry for your troubles… ack. I like your comment about being married to their product. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Trouble is, one never knows what it’s truly like on the other side until you are there and committed. While your ongoing issues with JR are inexcusable, I truly wonder if CW would be any better once you’ve committed and purchased their product? Seems that JR is more worried about $$, rather than doing the right thing. (Scrapping an order of 1,000 headers, because they need to pivot, and redesign it as one imperfect example.) Seems this is just a sign of the times we are living in IMO? Regardless, thank you so much for the invaluable service you are offering the community Russell, and the sacrifices you have have made! Youdaman!

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you & always good to hear from you!

Excellent video Russell, when company’s play the Blame Game and aren’t flexible in their manufacturing of their products it’s a clear sign to steer clear of their products! Thank goodness that there are other companies stepping up! 👍👍

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Hey buddy! I hope you’re doing well! I definitely need to come see you! Scout makes traveling complicated.

@gotalon

2 жыл бұрын

@@gravesru yep pets will do that, we have a cat so it’s a bit easier, but only for two days max😕

Yeah my mount has broke 2 times I am ready to switch up to PPEI HEADER and PV3 setup. I feel your pain dude

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

JR says I’m the only one! Lol

Thank you very much for this video. I had been debating the JR turbo.

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

Wow man, great video. Definitely appreciate the honest opinion and review. The turbo is going to be the biggest cost in the Talon, and you’ve definitely pushed me to the kraftwerks.

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Hey there Russel,, I am a 2020 live Valve 4 owner with 6200+ miles,,,original owner, I am looking at getting the 1000R-4 live valve,, wanting to have a Jackson Turbo installed,,,, well not now ,, the Kraftworks quality of materials,thickness of metal,,and price,,, that seems to be the direction to go ,,,, unless there is someone else who has a kit better than Jackson’s and Kraftworks,,, love my Talon,,

@gravesru

8 ай бұрын

What type of riding do you do? The Jackson tune is the only one that properly adjusts for elevation.

@SirensC3

7 ай бұрын

My Dad’s Talon is blown up cause the air filter is not worth a shit. He has 400 miles on it and has cleaned the air filter twice already. Somehow dirt got to the turbo and engine. Now it is hurt. Honda won’t warranty it. Jackson won’t warranty it. So he is out thousands of dollars to fix a new rig. Honda can eat my ass. I will never buy their crap again.

Thank you for being brutally honest. I've been watching since the beginning and you've been giving them chances to fix thier issues for a long time. Good to see real content!

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you and thanks for watching!

Gusset the turbo bracket and beef up the motor mount if you can weld, or find a buddy.

@bobbymenefee7591

9 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly! Brace with thicker metal & weld the other part to strengthen it.

This basically tells me that if I plan to turbo charge my Talon that I will start with engine internals and a bell header. Anyone that is wanting to make serious power and have great tune ability should look into a standalone ecu (ie motec). If I’m spending thousands of dollars to turbo charge, I’m going that route.

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

You’ll need pistons, head studs, injectors etc, just a PPEI tune, not a separate ecu

@Chevy2Man

2 жыл бұрын

@@gravesru I realize those other engine hard parts are needed as well but tuning with an engine with a flash after spending a bunch of money on building the engine is not a good idea. A stand-alone ecu with individual exhaust temp monitoring as well as air/fuel ratios would be optimal. Cody Phillips racing would be a good place to start.

Great video!!

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

WOW1!! 😳 New to SxSs myself (aged out dirt biker) and was watching the Jackson with interest (because it got so much good press). But I live in Denver and ride up to 13k feet and had heard that the Jackson failed miserably at altitude, you just confirmed it. That they won't own their failures is inexcusable - no Jackson for me. As a hobby welder, I'd have gusseted that support bracket the first time it failed; that Jackson still hasn't fixed it is pathetic. I don't have the patience to go through the disappointments you have. Thank you for the video. 👍 As for Jackson's business practices and customer support - 🖕

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

O2 sensors goes in the downpipe not in the header of a turbocharged engine. There is a tremendous amount of backpressure in the header that will throw the reading of the 02 sensor , especially wideband

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

The O2 sensor goes in the exhaust, AFR gauge goes in the turbo exit pipe, and the dynojet dual wide band goes in the header.

Because of this video I took a very close look at my header and the bracket. You can only guess what I found…..had the header welder for now until I can get a new header here. Bracket seems fine but will be addressing that as well. My bracket was loose a little back which is why I guessing the header cracked. 😡😡

@gravesru

Жыл бұрын

Sorry it’s broken. Glad you found it though!

Hey Russel, way off of subject but you might take a look at Babbits online. The 2022 honda talon looks like they relocated the instrument cluster to the steer column. If it fits older machines it looks like less then 20 bucks to fix that problem....Thank you for your videos, hope to be a future talon owner.

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’ve looked at it, also changed the front of the talon a little too! Thanks for watching

The response to your help to Jackson is even worse than what I got with a company when I told them how to fix their problem, they just ghosted me. I'm guessing his ego was hurt because before doing my mod I asked him his opinion and he said it definitely absolutely wouldn't work and I'd melt my engine down if I did it. As for K&Ns, I've never seen a clean intake tract with them with one exception, my Jeep. It only works because I frequently oil it without cleaning. I'd ditch it but haven't found anything else that'll fit yet.

I wouldn't want to install it in the first place being it still has a lot less HP than the competition. Good honest review though. 👍

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Jackson Racing….. Fly by night… here today gone tomorrow..

I hope jackson racing sees this and realizes how stupid they look with the enormous amount of people that issues with this. My local dealership wont even recommend this kit.

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

I hope they make some changes!

The header tube thickness looks for an aspirated engine.

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Something is inadequate

Sorry Russel I need the phone numbers for the custom exhaust pipe an lower support bracket. I can’t find bell engines

@gravesru

Жыл бұрын

Motor mount. +1 (406) 366-2160 Bell engines (417) 619-8514

I noticed you changed your tune on the quality of the Jackson Turbo from two years ago video when you had 7k miles. Is the kit not strong enough to endure rigorous riding like in Baja? Please let me know if it is better to leave the car stock for better reliability? I am looking to buy and talon just for Baja trips which have have broken down a lot.

@gravesru

Жыл бұрын

It really depends how much you drive it. I go through a Jackson header every 1500-2000 miles and they’re around $700 each. If reliability is your primary concern, definitely leave it stock. If you want a little more HP and don’t mind additional break downs, go for the turbo kit!

This review shows exactly why a turbo for a SxS is nowhere near worth $6K. That turbo is worth about $800 - $1200 at most.

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Fair price would be around $4k. The turbo itself is about $600

Love your videos, how do I get in touch with Greg for a turbo header? I don't do facebook. Do you have a website address for bell engines?

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Here’s his number! (417) 619-8514

@jbaspros

2 жыл бұрын

@@gravesru Thanks for the contact #, Greg is a true professional! Go Ducks!

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

@@jbaspros you’re welcome!! Go ducks!

Ok I didn’t get that far in the video. You did gusset. Lol

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a very solid piece now!

@ChairMan71196

2 жыл бұрын

Looks it

If you can’t weld up a brace you know has a problem, that’s your mistake.

Sound like a disgruntled ex-wife ! Just wondering why you're the only one making this video complaining about JR. if its happening this often to everyone with the JR kit , where are there videos

@gravesru

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think everyone with a turbo kit has a KZread channel and makes videos?? You have no idea how many people has reached out to me with turbo issues since the turbo kit was released. Especially, when the kit didn’t adjust for elevation in the first 6 months. 6 people had their engine blow up in the first week the kit came out, that’s why JR immediately released a 2nd version of the software to make them run extra rich to prevent more engine failures. I could ask why you’re the first negative comment in 1500 views?

@aw9680

2 жыл бұрын

My JR kit sucks. Sucked to install. It comes apart. Not engineered well. Most people just suck it up and are quiet about it. The parts get swapped with better stuff. Or the machine just gets sold. Russell is not off the mark in this video.

Thanks for this video there will be no Jackson turbo kit for me