I like the Constellation class, but it screams workhorse. It looks like they threw everything, including the kitchen sink, into the design.

@RegClintonBrown

3 ай бұрын

Everything EXCEPT a DEFLECTOR DISH😮LOL

@russellharrell2747

3 ай бұрын

@@RegClintonBrownthe movie eta ships had dedicated deflectors that were separate from the main sensor dishes. The cylindrical protrusions near the dish on the refit Enterprise and the same structures on the saucer of Reliant are the deflectors. Only in TNG do we see combination deflector and sensor dishes.

@RegClintonBrown

3 ай бұрын

@russellharrell2747 The Constellation Class had no Deflector Dish.

@josephmassaro

3 ай бұрын

@@RegClintonBrownReliant has the same problem. I know fans have tried to explain it, saying it's not absolutely required or only ships with secondary hulls have them or they're embedded in the forward section of the ship. None of these explanations really work, but I'll roll with it because I like both classes.

One time in tng captain nean luc picard conversation that then enterpise d is better in every way and that his old ship uss stargazer over wprked underpowered and ready to fall apart at the seems but he still misses commanding tue uss stargazer

@Stabby__

3 ай бұрын

Good episode, he was talking to Scotty while on the holodeck bridge of the original Enterprise drinking whiskey lol

Great video on one of my favourite ships. Personally I always think of the Curry class as the back up if the Excelsior failed: The Curry has the traditional nacelles.

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

I tend to think of the curry as a dominion war frankenship of sorts, though I see your point

@TheGameGetterKuzuri

3 ай бұрын

The Curry wasn't built until the Dominion war. They needed a support ship line, so they used parts in storage, retired starships and hodgepodge them together. Yaeger is another example of quick built ships from scraps.

Firstly, I love the artwork, it adds so much character along with the stock images. Much of this is simply how I imagine it, as far as I know I've never seen or heard this in detail. I've seen images of the Miranda in a TOS style and it looks even more beautiful than the TMP style. I think there would never have been a TOS version of the Constellation class. It was a budget-friendly design using many TMP refit components. It could be a multi-role vessel that was primarily used as a construction or cargo platform due to its large hangers. When not hauling cargo or constructing starbases, it could adequately fulfil some fleet duties. It could in fact be a replacement for the Ptolemy class which may not have been refitted to TMP standards.

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

I tend to think of the Constellation as a backup for the Excelsior as I said in the video. And given its job description the Ptolemies may not have needed a refit to new standards. But that being said we know really nothing about the Constellation in canon so really it’s whatever you want.

Oh my gosh I LOVE this class. (posted before watching so please be nice)

The constelation would of never been fieled had constelation class was more then 40% failed designed. Compounded starfleet might of only build about 36 constelations. Constelation class had at least 6 external bay that could be used for shuttles and cargo bay or even troop carrier bays

I think it can be considered a failure of design, because the Four Nacelle design wouldn't be used again for decades, with ships like the Cheyenne class appearing to be variants of the Constellation rather than unique designs. However it may not be a failure of function because otherwise how does the Captain of a bucket of Bolts go on to be the Captain of the Flagship?

Kitbash becomes a class design. I don’t hate it but so clunky for Starfleet at that time. Thanks for the video

The Constellation class is a bit older then Excelsior class and both class's stayed in service for well over 150 years , that is a success not a failure there space frames were duplicated in excess and rolled out with new updated tech as the frames were poled out of storage .

I dont think this class wouldve suffered from being 'overly complicated'. As one who works in the field of aerospace, across several different platforms of aircraft, the constellation is basically the result of an RFP that demanded "best of the best using nothing but off the shelf parts". If anything, the constellation is likely to have had one of the most robust reliability records since its actually a very redundancy heavy vessel. It onlt needs one pair of nacelles for warp, for example, it priduces an excess of power as a result (as the other nacelles in stand-by during flight would still be charged, not 'off'), excess volume for storage, personelle, facilities. Using the refined older technologies means yours getting the most refined varients therein. This is very much how it works in reality. The F-15EX for example is uskng PW F-110-229 motors, the latest generation of a motor that came out in the late 70s. Its the 2020s now and theyre still going strong except we've not only boosted their performance by almost double, we've also increased thsir reliability by nearly double to. A typical engine now might get a swap check at 6000 flight hours but often gets a bill of good health and an extension to 12,000 flight hours before engine swaps now. The constellation class wouldve had the same luxuries. Its the 'If it aint broken, dont fix it' design philosophy and thus shouldve been one of the most rugged and self-sufficient buckets flying for quite awhile.

Prickard complained she was underpowered... guess he should have been assigned a low fitted miranda

I love the pixel art pics! very cute

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

They are fun to make so glad you like em

I feel like the Cheyenne class proves that atleast aspects of the constellation were a success

The reason the Constellation was kept was due to firepower. Few could stand up to a quad torpedo alpha strike.

The ship looks good and it shows a lot of potential. I believe it was supposed to be the replacement for the Miranda class. However given it's limitations and the fact that they was just using current and old technology it kinda failed. Also I'm pretty sure Starfleet noticed it was more cost effective to just refit the Miranda class and focus on the excelsior than to keep dumping resources into this problematic ship.

Always thought the 4 nacelle design would make a good platform for electronic warfare.

I like the Cheyenne more personally

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

Cheyenne is a really good looking design I agree

I enjoyed the video, thanks. I feel that it wasn't a failure just because it was in service. What other starships used the 4 nacelles design?

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

Cheyenne, Neghvar, Stargazer from Picard… there are a few more which escape me

@Eth3realwarrior

3 ай бұрын

Hi bro, can't make the Disc golf sesh today. Not feeling well lol 😅 funny running into you here

@matts1166

3 ай бұрын

@@starshipreviews Prometheus when in one piece.

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

@matts1166 good one!

The artwork of the ship in this video is fantastic.

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much, if you like the pictures you can get them for free on patreon. All artwork I make for the videos is over there in fact. Should be find the image and double click simple.

@jeffhallam2004

Ай бұрын

He’s new and doing well!

I'm not sure if "the Picard Maneuver" would even be physically possible in any other vessel than the Constellation class...so that could be a pro? Having extra engines would be nice in combat, if a couple nacelles got damaged, at least you still had warp speed from the other 2. 🤷🏼

Stargazer is one of my favorite ships

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

It’s a really cool one

I just wish Trek would stay consistent with its rules sometimes. I like how the Constellation class of ship hulls stays with Gene's preference for nacelles to always be in pairs and also in LOS of the paired nacelles. But the hull is missing an obvious deflector, which bothers me a lot...

Just because we didn't see very many of them, three in total, doesn't mean that a good many weren't built. Given the size of the Federation, the fleet of Starfleet would need to be robust and varied in its makeup to serve its people and the Constellation class could, by virtue of its warp drive configuration, have the ability to do something that the Excelsior couldn't, and that alone would garner this ship a decent production run. The early Lost Era of ships would include the Constitution MK-II, the Miranda (and its many variants), the crew eliminator Oberth, the Excelsior, and the topic of this video, the Constellation. Each of these classes would do well to fill up the Naval Construction Contract's numbers (assuming that's what NCC means and this # having any correlation), but with the variance going from between NCC-2893 & NCC-9754, that is a lot of potential Constellation hulls to fill its niche in the fleet. NCC-10521, the USS Ambassador, would be the likely terminus point for most of the TMP era of ships being produced to any degree, so with the USS Victory being produced that late in the game and still being in service by the time she meets theAmbassador's replacement in the Galaxy class Big E, how many were built and are still in service is up for interpretation...

the Constellation class is right up there in my top 5 favorite Starfleet ship designs. (Miranda, Refit Constitution, NX, Constellation, TOS Constitution). i kind of always saw them as a side grade next to the Excelsior. like in your vid it was an attempt to make something longer range./ faster using current tech while the new Excelsior was under design and construction. something that they could get built from mostly available components and start testing on before the other was even off the drawing board. they were likely also used as test beds for other technologies (when the death trap Oberths were not being used for such things, seriously if i found myself assigned to an Oberth i would feel like i had done something to piss some higher-up off). i have a feeling that by the TNG era no two Constellation class vessels were the same. something about its design just screams modularity. take all those sensor pods on the underside of the primary hull. it would be a simple matter to switch them out for other systems with relative ease. not to mention likely being about to use her extensive shuttle/cargo bays for other modular systems. hell i can even see one being used as a front line field repair vessel. having all the space needed to haul replacement parts and tons of Worker Bees to do the job while having enough fire power and capability to defend itself and other vessels in combat. (i see Jean Luce's comment on her being "under powered and on the verge of flying herself apart" as meaning under powered by modern standards but overpowered for her time in that her hull and systems just were not up to handling that power. i mean hell just look at her impulse drive array, twice the drives as a Constitution class and of a comparable type. the Constellation class is almost the same size as a Refit Constitution (they might actually even mass about the same and likely less give how much of the saucer section is devoted to hanger space) just to much omph for the space frame to handle. (i actually did a homebrew TTRPG game set pre-TNG where we crewed an old Constellation class modified for just that role. (USS-Chopshop) her main mission role was salvage and repair in the event of fleet actions.)

I think it's like going for a slightly older car, when the next generation of cars has just come out. The technical differences may be minor but the changes in technology may be great.

If the nacelles were eliminated and instead incorporated into the saucer section as rings near the circumference then this class might show promise. Perhaps Starfleet vessels in the distant future will no longer use warp nacelles and will look like the typical UFO .

Thanks . Your favourite

My own personal theory is that it was the sucessor to the constiution class.

Star fleet should have refitted them all and placed them in mothball as a war reserve..

Constellation wasnt a back up its the tanky heavy cruiser to the Excellcers battle ship

What’s up with the federation and their hard on for saucers. It’s stupid.

Thanks!🖖I can't do patrion, but will try to support you. 🖖

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, you should still be able to get the art for the videos on patreon as they are free O believe

@timjerrom7173

3 ай бұрын

@@starshipreviews dude I love Star Trek and like and will support your growing channel "really like the rambling at the end of each video" 🤓

It's okay.

There is an issue with humans in which we innovate because of ego and the inability to absorb established system knowledge in a timely manner. We see this in computer programming in which functional systems that might be good are rewritten. This is due to the system being so large that a new comer would have to spend years learning it and quite frankly would be stuck learning dying code bases and tech. Also the ego of younger people wanting to be the experts who advocate for building new stuff vs learning the old so they can be the experts in short order. So constellation represented c++ in linux while Excellsior represented c#. Yeah you can make stuff in c++ but the curve is too daunting for new people. even if Constellation worked it would be on an old tech platform and new people don't want to waste years learning ever older, dying tech. Just like in companies today Constellation represents the older "Scotty" types pushing the tech they know cause they knew it for decades over new people wanting to start from scratch so they can be the experts and not waste brain power learning an old system they would never be expert on and would take years to master.

@starshipreviews

3 ай бұрын

Laughing so hard at the comparison. Well done, and I couldn’t have put it better if I tried?

Given the longevity of the class in service, it wasn't a failure. Failed designs don't typically serve for nearly 100 years. That being said, we actually know more about the ship than you might think. Picard mentions in one episode that the ship could do Warp 9 at least. The Excelsior was clearly designed to replace the Constitution class, while I don't think the Constellation ever was. It's physical arrangement and focus on cargo and shuttle craft accommodations suggest a different typical mission profile. Additionally, Picard talks about an incident where he was attacked by a Cardassian ship and was on the run as his weapons had been disabled. This tells us that it's a closer analog to the Galor class and at the time of that conflict, ships like the Excelsior, Constellation and Miranda made up a lot of the fleet. The newer designs like the Nebula and Galaxy class were shown to far outclass Cardassian designs like the Galor, as they could destroy or disable such vessels with their first shots. (As seen on screen.) So we have some idea, contextually where the Constellation ranks in terms of its weapons and defensive capability. It obviously has four forward facing torpedo launchers and four aft and the same phaser arrangement as the Constitution class. We can surmise it was well armed for the era it was originally built, but that by the early 2260's the design was no longer competitive.