I was always under the impression that the size was only the Primary hull as the Secondary is actually a mission pod similar to what the Nebula class had. They were interchangeable dependent on mission profile.

@ryancox4498

Ай бұрын

Same. The design only makes sense to me if you assume the upper section is the actual ship, while the lower section is a swappable pod that doesn't actually have any habitable space to go in to. It's almost more of a heavy duty tug than a ship-of-the-line. Which is what I love about it. We really don't get to see a whole lot of Starfleet support ships and mostly focus on cruisers. It's the type of ship that makes the TMP era feel more like a proper fleet rather than everything being a gigantic flying yacht/luxury hotel.

@pakese30

Ай бұрын

No, later they were used as the actual engineering hull, the sensor pallets you mentioned were attached to labs in there as well. If you think about it they still have to have space in the saucer section not only for the regular operating systems but also the crews quarters.

@pakese30

Ай бұрын

@@ryancox4498I was surprised they didn’t just stick them full of explosives give them the best shields and use them kamikaze style but control them from afar in order to take out the Borg cubes, it worked when the Dominion took out the Odyssey in DS9.

@ryancox4498

Ай бұрын

@@pakese30 People tend to way overestimate the space needed for crew quarters. Despite what modern Trek thinks, these aren't luxury yachts. They are military/scientific equipment designed to perform a task efficiently. Not every single crewmember needs a 700sqft suite. Most of the crew would bunk up in single room quarters and utilize communal areas instead of having private "living rooms" or "dining rooms".

@stardude2006

Ай бұрын

They are

I just love the fact that in several out of canon technical manuals (like the Jackill reference series) there are Oberth variants that are "fast attack ships" and "gun boats." To paraphrase a quote from the Pentagon Wars: A quasi-attack cruiser that has less armor than a snow-blower, but carries enough ammo to take out half of the Klingon fleet.

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

Yeah I didn’t get into any of these

@josephmassaro

Ай бұрын

@@starshipreviews I'm actually quite fond of the Oberth class. And that's saying something as I tend to detest ships that move away from the classic saucer, nacelle design. There's just something charming about it. But yeah, an Oberth "gun boat." Everyone's a red-shirt on that ship.

@poil8351

Ай бұрын

Oberth gunboat lots of guns no armor.

@danscholl9972

Ай бұрын

Remove the sensor pod and replace it with one housing long-range torpedo launchers and extra power & sheild generators. Not a red-shirt anymore 😈 *cue sinister James Bond bad-guy laughter*

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

@@poil8351 - but improved MILITARY shields.

Firstly, I like the shading on your model. Secondly, I love you showing your personality during your video. A little joy and vibrancy add so much more than a clinical presentation. Although I can list many ships that I feel look better than the Oberth, I still like the design. I felt that because it broke the mold, it helped make Starfleet more dynamic in terms of its designs. I also like the idea that the canoe is a module and that there mission-specific modules for Science, medical missions, cargo and so on.

I just always assumed the lower pod was just stuffed with equipment and had no habitable areas, no need to have a turbolift going to it. Maybe a jefferies tube or something, while yeah not ideal to get there for any kind of service, being so small its really not THAT bad if you had crawl down there on occasion. I would think there would be some engineering tools and a small workshop there if service was required but generally its not a staffed area, most things could be worked around remotely until the ship returns to a yard.

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

correct. and by TNG era , they can Site to Site transport is they needed to.

@turbopokey

Ай бұрын

I always figured a simple zero-G jefferies tube is the simplest way to occasionally get up and down the struts. No need for a complicated turbolift system or hard-line transporter lines(like an old school landline phone instead of a hazardous cell phone type of an intraship site-to-site transit)

We need a Director’s Cut of ST:3 where Capt. Esteban sees the Klingon Bird of Prey and goes into total beast mode, and uses the USS Grissom as his instrument of badassery.

It always seemed to me that were two Oberths, the fun size model and the Venti.

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

I dont think you can UPSIZE starships like that. the Enginering & warp Physics are Different . just like you cant UPSIZE a Sydney class. Doesn't work.

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

@markplott4820 there is a rule for that in nature. Its name escapes me, but it’s essentially what governs the maximum size of animal body plans (in addition to available food, oxygen levels etc.) basically the larger you scale an object the weaker it becomes.

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

@@starshipreviews - except for Dyson's sphere & BORG cubes.

I like the unofficial variants based on the spaceframe. Some remove the big "canoe" and replace it with a torpedo pod, sensors, extra room etc.

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

I use two roll bars (Dorsal & Ventral). small. and use MIRANDA style Autotorp systems. I also mounted P/S Miranda MEGA phasors.

There is a mission on Star Trek online (in the hurq storyline where you rescue some random aliens from the Tzenkethii). If you use an Oberth class (Fleet Oberth T6) the escape pods are bigger than your ship.

It's 800 meters long. Obviously. The Oberth was reused on TN over and over because the filming model was small and easily filmed under a time deadline, whereas the Excelsior and later Ambassador were very unwieldy. Rick Sternbach actually designed a new science ship that was never made due to budget restraints- it would have been the Pegasus. When in doubt, the Oberth came out.

@meteosurreal

Ай бұрын

...Which I made into the Zodiac-Class.

@Soulprismatics

Ай бұрын

Memory alpha states production sources estimated 120 meters. Which would fit the 20% crew of Kirk's 400m Enterprise.

@jasoncaldwell5627

Ай бұрын

@@Soulprismatics the ILM size chart that was made for the VFX department at the start of TNG lists the Oberth at 395 feet long (120 meters and change). It's interesting that the KBOP is shown as 340 feet long. Both small ships that got badly scaled in almost every appearance (except STIV, where they really followed the scale except in the whaling boat scene).

big enough to turn into "space glitter" with one shot from a klingon bird of prey .

200 meters makes sense. In a post-scarcity society, cost is not as big a deal, though building really big or really complicated could still be an issue. There are graphics out there showing decks inside the pylons, though these would at best be akin to fitting shelf storage inside an attic. I could see a Lower Decks style punchline about having to be stationed inside the pylon, which would be about as spacious as a typical closet. It would be even worse if it followed the same gravity plane as the primary hull rather than matching the relative angle.

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Oberth class starship's and on its size of this class vessel and how big it truly should be in order for it to truly work indeed Sir!👌.

Yeah, I saw the Oberth as a tug hauling a huge sensor pod, just a fancier sort of thing as the Ptolemy class. I never realized that there was a reason to access the pod until later. I've seen schematics since then with the pod, now secondary hull, with the antimatter storage and warp core, and some engineering facilities. Even now, I wonder if that was a later development, or an effort to keep a disaster from blowing the whole ship up. Anyway, I always looked upon the shuttle doors as being the largest impediment, and that the small length estimate was the front of the saucer to the end of the nacelles. I never worried much about the windows, expecting that they were porthole sort of things, if the smaller ones were windows at all as opposed to service lights, proximity sensors or--something. And yeah, a VERY cramped ship, at least as Starfleet vessels go. There very likely being 'split decks' to help explain the windows and such.

I like the design (in some ways). I remember seeing it when I was a kid is ST 3 TSFS, but was skeptical about how the people got from the saucer to the secondary hull. The explosion of the U.S.S. Grissom was just beautiful. It has that science vessel look about it that sells the design.

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

It’s one of the most aesthetically pleasing trek designs I think

This is a gem of a ship design from the iconic TOS Crew Movie ship designs. My favorite is, of course, the refit Enterprise. Oberth is my 2nd favorite, to blazes with the scale issues. Then 3rd, but still beloved the Excelsior is a beaut of a starship . . . oh those front curves!!!

What I find amusing is the end of Generations is that an Oberth could even be useful in evacuating anything. Hell I mean the Eagle 5 from Spaceballs probably has a bigger evacuation capacity, and that a van with wings!

@danscholl9972

Ай бұрын

Yeah, it's overall Evac capacity is limited, so they arent taking the whole crew, but if it was the fist ship on site, it could transmit power down to the saucer, Evac critically wounded, and be a communications link back to Starfleet. Also, even though it's not a warship, it does have enough firepower to keep pirates at bay from picking over the wreckage (imagine how much you could get for Type-X phaser emitter on the black market!).

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

@danscholl9972 she could have also been a planetary surveyor dispatched to determine the possibility of recovering the saicer

@RockRedGenesis

Ай бұрын

@@starshipreviews That is probably more likely, as in apocrypha she is a SCE ship.

The design works well for its intended purpose. The only thing that hurts it is not having a normal “neck” having that would have solved sooo many problems.

I think Oberth was meant to be a simple modular space truck with a max capacity of just one cargo pod -- one of the pods a Ptolomy hauls. I think it had two Archer-style warp cores, one per nacelle, upgraded to get over into the warp 6 regime while both are simultaniously at 90-95% output. Which means ~ 6.7wf running flat-out on both reactors, or ~5.8wf with only one reactor powering the whole system. And I think it held enough fuel to get it a total of about 20 light years before it had to refuel, all stored within nacelles or in the main hull just below the nacelles. I think she had no bussard collectors to extend her range. I think the pylons we see are not meant to carry people, only power and data. The rig we see Oberth carrying seems to he an extreme sensor package suite, one that needs warp power and liquid helium cooling to function. However, I expect she can be fitted with different sized pylons for different cargo. So, for example, if it were hauling a personelle pod, the pylons would be large enough to allow for turbolift access to and from the pod. IIRC, the thickness of the pylons would need to be 2-3x what we see with the sensor package to allow for sandard turbolifts to run cleanly through. This set-up allows for many different modular monstrosities, creating picket ships, fleet tenders, torpedo boats, cannoneers, packet boats, couriers and a host of other small craft that would be too niche for a single, dedicated design. Basically, I see the Danube class runnabout as the 24th century little brother of this 23rd century design. And as warp reactor, computer and replicator tech got better, her modules just got upgraded, and hulls just got repaired, until they found themselves up against the Dominion. Anyway, thats my $0.02.

Was a subscriber from the old days when your audio sounded like it came from an ancient Nokia brick, looking at you now, clean audio, accurate lore filled descriptions, regular uploads, youre doing good bro, glad for it.

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

Glad those early vids didn’t scare you off. Started the channel using an old android phone so yeah things were rough!

Very well done. I personally like it closer in size to the constitution-II, but still a little smaller. Four decks in the saucer works based on windows and the three shuttle bays.

I put it down to this…… the oberth is just another word for “space truck” and has nothing to do with scale…… much in the same way you can have a little three cylinder chinese import just a little larger than a golf truck, or a massive peterbuilt and they are both “trucks “

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

OBERTHS were also used as Space TUGS and had Dedicated tractor beam emitter & 4 warp nacelles.

The issue with the Oberth goes all the way back to Star Trek III. There is an old set of prints that conceived it as the "Glenn" class that set it at 200 meters in length. This would scale with the size of the windows on the primary hull, but then the Oberth was retconned to be only 120 meters long, creating the discrepancy. With the outrigger being modular and the primary hull being fixed, the variances in length make sense with different outriggers and a set primary hull size. With the further discrepancies created by the re-use of the Grissom model for the redshirt-ship-of-the-week, this made the problem worse.

There is one thing I can see that could make the larger estimate work. The entire canoe section is sensor arrays and probes. all connected to a central science department in the saucer. they only need to go down there if something is damaged. you could even imagine the ship being able to drop that whole canoe to escape from danger.

80 person crew? In three shifts that comes to 26 per shift. Yes I can buy the 100 meter size. There is little evidence that there is much to the ship at all... well, in TNG there were many decks and engineering and such, however in STIII all we saw was the bridge. The secondary hull was mission specific, unmanned so there was no need for a turbolift. Let's look at the windows that so many use to size up the hull: They aren't windows, but they are on the ceilings, not the walls. Did anyone see windows on the bridge? Nope. They likely didn't function as viewing windows, but small port holes so people wouldn't go stir crazy on long missions. Some quick math on a 100 meter or 300 foot long ship; If that's the total length it's likely the saucer is about 50 or 60 feet in diameter in two decks. That's probably under 8000 square feet per deck. So the saucer would be in the area of 16,000 square feet (1480sqm). That's about 200 square feet per crewperson. We can quibble about the space taken for equipment and bulkheads, but looking at the design, the saucer sits upon a flat bulk that extends to the impulse engine. It's conceivable that most of the ships life supports and electrical wiring is down there. This leaves most of the saucer free. Assuming most the crew bunks up in rooms perhaps 4 each, you can knock off about 1/3 of the ship to crew quarters, leaving about 10,600 square feet, or about 410 square feet per operational crew person. It seem there is ample space for such a crew.

@MrSheckstr

Ай бұрын

When figuring a three shift daily rotation alway multiply your total needed crew by multiplying the number of stations by a factor of 4 , you always want a reserve /relief contingent on hand

@d.hardenart8917

Ай бұрын

@@MrSheckstr Good thinking in general, only I can't imagine what the relief crew would be doing on a ship like this while the regular rotation is healthy and on duty. There is no evidence this really is a long range/long mission ship. Having said that, a couple engineers, a couple medics, captain, and 2 other command officers, helm and nav, communications, and that's about it. The rest would be science crew. In STIII, there were literally 4 people on the bridge aside from Saavik and David.

Just admit that the designers use a Jefferies Tubes to join the primary secondary hull as a really cool slide to go down and a granny chair stair lift. Why? Because that’d be fun.

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

Now that it would be

As far as getting to the sensor pod, yes there would be Jefferies Tubes, for secondary/emergency access. And as the primary, Transporters. Either a closed circuit system or emitter to emitter. I favor the closed circuit system so that it can be safely used at warp.

I’ve always liked the Oberth. When it first appeared on screen in Star Trek III, it was a completely new and rather futuristic looking design compared to the older styles such as the Constitution and even Miranda classes.

The Nova class is the perfect replacement, I love the voyager like style, and it's compact size, like a cross between the intrepid and the defiant. I wish STO had show accurate bridge options for more of the ships from the shows 🤪 but I can kinda see why they didn't, or weren't able to. They could do it now though, keeping with the current scale they have been building things since the game was sold. Interesting video btw 😄✌️

This ship always made complete sense to me. It is a research ship, so by limiting entering and leaving the lab space transporter only, you maximize security and safety. Only those authorized for a lab will have access and you have a down-to-atoms record of everyone that was in and out of a lab. You also have the ability to ensure you don't contaminate the crew section with chemical or biologic aspects of your experiments. The operational crew members have access to all the parts of the ship they need too with this design. It's pretty much perfect for its role.

I always wondered how the secondary hull would be accessed on this ship. Just like the duderstat from Picard that makes it look like it would be a needlessly long trek to get from the saucer to the secondary hull.

@lucasbachmann

Ай бұрын

I'd imagine a Jeffries tube or airlock. There's really not much down there - it's a giant sensor pod.

@dawgcop69

Ай бұрын

There is a small 1 person turbo lift in each pylon for access.

@MrSheckstr

Ай бұрын

All you would need is a couple of recessed grooved in the port and starboard pylons and you could run self propelled lift cars down the side of it…… like the lifts seen in Last Action Hero and the Winter Soldier movie …. And no reason why certain lower structures have a neck that could fit into a slot of the underside of the upper saucer

perhaps the canoe....err, secondary hull is just a big cargo hold where stuff gets beamed or brought in by tractor beam and is manned by a few people who just normally don't leave that section. considering the scientific nature of the Oberth, they probably frequently come across phenomena that would interfere with a transporter, so relying on one for intership use would be as silly as that scene from Space Balls, and probably be accident prone. I could see a tanning bed/torpedo/coffin sized pod in a pressurized tube that could be used in a pinch maybe. Also, how does it do anything without bussard collectors ahead of the warp nacelles? Also, maybe all those little lights aren't windows? the bridge in canon is like roughly 10m diameter... that should fit within the imbeded dome, to scale with rest of the vessel as shown. 🤷🏼 I always referred to the Grissom as the U.S.S "Oh My God" ever since I first watched ST III when I was about 9 or 10. 🤣 (because of what the Captain said just before the ship was vaporized)

I always "presumed" that the stated 120 meter length was just for the main saucer, so then the "overall" length could be in the 200+ meter range.

It takes courage to admit that to the world and I....I respect that.

I like that a strange looking ship exists to serve a utilitarian role. It's ugly, slow, and weak in battle, just like it should be. It should haul a group of scientists and their specific lab/probe pod to a place and sit around. No need to speed around the galaxy, fight bad guys, or be impressive as a diplomatic envoy. It is an unexciting workhorse and that is something any fleet needs.

The relative sizes of space objects in STIII is utterly Fubar. In one shot, the Moon, seen behind the Earth, is so big it would have to be resting back side of the Earth!

Golly, look at the "windows" on the upper side of the ship that sorta resembles a _Galaxy_ class ship...the surface is darn near horizontal (like a conventional flat roof), and the windows lay flush on that. This means either the floor inside is oriented along the vertical axis (with a cylindrical "floor", like in 2001 ASO), or there is a HUGE "sunroof" window along large areas of the hallways/rooms/quarters etc.

@GarfieldofBorg

Ай бұрын

The ship that you're referring to is the Nebula class USS Farragut.

@Name-ps9fx

Ай бұрын

@@GarfieldofBorg Thank you. The locations of the "windows" are still as described.

I'd clock the saucer at 3 to 3.5 decks and see where that works out with the rest. Seems fairly clear the main flat part is intended to be one deck high so that's another potential reference point, as is the apparent shuttle bay at the front.

Ship size is typically based on "Displacement"; if you use traditional NAVAL VALUES. A ship with a "Beam Length of 120m" [That's from the rear-most to forward-most bulk of the ship] is more than sufficient to account for the Multiple Decks, and turbo-lift pods running through the Pylons to the Secondary Hull. We must remember this when "attempting to" rationalize Real World tech to Star Trek tech; we will ultimately fail in such efforts.

Starship Reviews - BTW , I also use OBERTH as Picket ships , loaded w scanners & sensors with twin AWACS like Dish on Dorsal & Ventral side. they only had Standard Phasors for Defense & Heavy shields, to get away.

I do have a theory about this type of ship which it does have a unique engine design so close to the hall and no radiation problems but the upper and lower hulls I figure for a true science vessel this is good it has a site to site transported between the upper and lower hole and the lower hole containing medical facilities and Labs which are quarantined protecting the rest of the ship....

@ralphc1405

Ай бұрын

Any movement from upper and lower parts of the ship are done by beaming.

I like the Oberth Class I think it’s an efficient design.

I actually always liked the Oberth, it’s kind of like the bird of prey when it comes to the size problems. They kind of got round that just by saying that it was built with the same physical characteristics at multiple sides and used the fact that because each great house has their own ship manufacture set up they can say oh it’s that size because the house of x (no xmen pun intended) decided they wanted it that big. Though we can’t really do that with the federation as starfleets ships are usually all the same except for specific sub classes I used the fact that because different member worlds have ship building facilities where ship parts and sometimes entire ships are built they made it so that that’s why there are multiple sizes to the Oberth. Just my own little head cannon, TNG had it hard when it came to using other ship classes as seen in the Galaxy kit bashing they had to do for the Wolf 359 episodes. We’d really only seen 3 other ship types. The Excelsiors had to be kept for more important ships like those carrying Admirals, the Miranda was very similar to the Connie and while also had been in the movies it had played a much larger role as Khans stolen ship so they probably wanted to refrain from its use while making a name for the show.

I call the secondary hull the canoo.

The hull is made mostly of Explodium and Failureite

personally i lean on somewhere in the 250 - 300 meter range; we don't know for sure but given how recently in-ship-beaming was considered dangerous and i can't imagine they are reduced to use ladders to access two thirds of the vessel. (imo the Secondary *has* to be used for more than a giant sensor pack because sensors are never really shown to be that big and we already know the Oberth can't be small enough to make it so)

My only sticking point was the secondary hull not having an atmosphere. I cannot believe that Starfleet or the Federations Science Council would just decide not to put an atmosphere down there. I've read that the ship is so small there wasn't enough space to install an atmospherics system down in the secondary hull but you don't need to install a separate system in the secondary hull the one in the saucer section will work just fine for both hulls. Some have also written that the secondary hull is just filled with equipment and there isn't enough space to have anyone down there. So is if something breaks someone has to dawn a space suit and go into a crampted hull to fix the broken piece of equipment.

I like the Oberth class and the 200m size.

Professor Oberth (after whom the class was named) was from my hometown (Feucht near Nuremberg)

Just a thought, but perhaps we're getting the ship wrong. Perhaps the Oberth class ship isn't the whole thing, just the bit above the arms - the "canoe" is a payload but not the actual ship. Just like everyone thought the Nostromo was the whole thing and not just the tug pulling a fuel station. If that's the case, then the 120m is the distance from the front of the saucer to the back of the engines, making the whole thing (including canoe) about.... 200m? The canoes might be interchangeable standard parts (thinking Space:1999's Eagles) hence the standard design.

I hate the Oberth class always have, because of the impossibility of traveling between the primary and secondary hulls, and the hole in the middle. I hate the Odyssey class for the same reason. However, most canonical ship sizes are quite a bit too small to actually work as depicted. Which is why new Trek has been up scaling the Constitution class. If you up scale so that it works as depicted you get the Abrams, sizes and then the Oberth scales up to 301 m; if you modify the design a bit and upscale until there is something minimally functional, you get the SNW sizes, and the Oberth scales up to 184 m. Those numbers make your estimations pretty valid.

Starship Reviews - OBERTH class is small, but LARGER than the Corvette SYDNEY class (Jenolan). I use Oberth as GUNBOATS, I detach the Secondary hull. then I use 2 more Nacelles underneath (4) total and add another IMPULSE drive (4) total. I also add Miranda class MEGA phasors (2) , and Dorsal & Ventral MIRANDA style AUTOTORP systems. my OPERTH also gets Tactical sensors & Deflector/Shield upgrades. it makes for an Effective pocket Warship aka GUNBOAT.

The issue with most of these models is the windows, when talking about the zise of the ship, the windows indicate the deck height, which never seems to match the stated length.

I'll be doing an eaglemoss XL giveaway at some point on my KZread channel. I got an extra one and have always loved this design.

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

I have the small model myself, it’s such a cute design. Compact

I always assumed the Oberth's saucer was where everyone lived and where most of the labs were. I figured the "pontoon" beneath it has a moderate amount of space for engineering, engineering support, a few more labs but mostly cargo, sensor suites and fuel storage. That would explain a larger than 200 meter figure that most of the secondary hull wasn't meant for habitat, or even manned spaces most of the time (except engineering).

@DrewLSsix

Ай бұрын

I find it weird that people assume the oberths decks must be all uniform in height. The typical starship compartment is shown to have a ton of excess headroom. Assuming that the majority of the space in the ship has a low overhead, something like what we see on current navy vessels, and allow for the bridge and certain other areas to extend beyond the normal deck heights you have a perfectly plausible if cramped layout. The pylons don't need to use standard turbolift pods, they could have something like that mini lift seen in the Ds engineer8ng room.

Anyone who serves on an Oberth has nerves of steel.

Starfleets version of the Tardis, it is bigger on the inside than the outside. lol

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

Now that’s a headcanon I can get behind!

150m. EAS. For an organization highly devoted to scientific study and exploration, stuffing people into a cramped, and seemingly cheap and easily explodable, submarine is an odd choice.

The Oberth size would be under 200m. 120m is tight but doable with the reasoning that personel would not need to access the sensor pallets while underway during a mission similar to the jamming pods on EA-18 Growler. The only issue is personal accommodations for eighty at 120m.

For me the easiest way to estimate scale has always been the size of shuttle bay doors. How big is a typical Type 5 or Type 7 shuttlecraft relative to the size of the bay doors? In this case I think 200 meters is still too small. My guesstimate is about 700 meters. I happen to really like the Oberth class. It looks more advanced than many of its contemporaries. It's a very specialized science vessel, for experiments only.

Good video. I like the Oberth Class.

The small science vessel is canon, but it does look much larger, noting the phaser banks mounted on the inside of the pylons, and the viewports. But STIII, blows that up, as the bird of prey dwarfs it. It’s just a movie but it’s aggrivating.

The lower half of the Oberth Class is a “roll bar, of sorts. A sensor pallet without man tending.

A 120 meter long Oberth class makes absolutely ZERO sense. Most of the saucer section would be the bridge. No place for people to sleep. Cargo bay doors on the saucer would be way too small. This is probably mentioned in the video that I'm only 2 minutes into anyway. In my head canon, it's 240 meters long. In TNG it looked to be almost 300 meters long. In the TNG movies it's back to 120 meters which is impossible.

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

Yeah it’s all over the place. Personally I think 200m is a good length, but however long you think the class is 120 is too damn small

@poseidon5003

Ай бұрын

@@starshipreviews 200 ish meters length makes the most sense.

@poseidon5003

Ай бұрын

@@starshipreviews I just read an article about how they have have different variants of Oberth with different sizes. That makes the most sense now.

It is as big as a "scout class wessel". :D

I’ve heard of the size debate but I don’t remember anywhere seeing someone say it is over 300 meters. Curious about that size

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

Ex Astris scientia has an article going over the sizes of the ship

@Peaceforall20111

Ай бұрын

@@starshipreviews I honestly think it would make more sense if it was 300 meters because I have such a hard time believing they had 80 people in that tiny ship ever.

In star trek nothing remains the same.

the sci fi show stargate had the same problem with Prometheus carter says the ship is 195 meters in truth the real size was more like 500 plus meters the channel trekyards explains it better

My guess is about 300m. But my bet is that it's largely automated in the secondary hull to cut down on a live crew.

Personally 150 to 170 meters does sound more realistically apporate length and 11 decks. Maybe 200 to 220 meters for the pod. Defiant class os 170 meter long 4 and half decks and a crew of 50 people in cramped quarters. Maybe oberth class ship can have upto 4 full decks for the suacer section 4 decks for the nacelle pilons with intergrated 1 person turbo lifts and 3 full decks for the pod section

I dig the ship and wished the eagelmoss was still around to build one. Maybe there's a 4 man size tube that extends at the bottom of the saucer section to the top canoe.

@starshipreviews

Ай бұрын

I like that idea.

There always could have bee different variants, perhaps some were just larger.

I want to know what drug they were on when they designed the Oberth class and decided it would make a good starship for the movie, or anything else.

Transport command seem to have employed them . The size variation can be like the klingon or carddassian ships. Its can be a design that can be enlarged. But has the same dimensions. Its a production thing How like we might have sea cargo ships that might appear like enlarged versions of the smaller cargo ship Or like Chinese junks.

We may never have a concrete answer ya gotta remember the guys at ILM who designed this thing all former hippies & were probably baked half the time. So who knows what they were thinking lol

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Not a fan of the oberth class the double pylons holding the sensor palett never really worked for me. A large central short pylon would have been logical

i like the oberth always have they get so much hate all because of one bad captain.

I enjoy the Oberth design aesthetic, but it doesn't make a great deal of sense with the information we have. As much as the void between the saucer and canoe hull is visually interesting, I wish the saucer was simply connected to the secondary hull with a neck.

Why wasn't a single image showing the ship's size comparison on screen shown in the video?

Why couldn't you have a 300m Oberth? If they really wanted to, they could just alter the specs and make the ship larger. There's nothing saying they couldn't make a larger version of the same ship. It just has more facilities and a few more capabilities.

The crew doesn't say everything about the ship. It does have a evaluation limit. The crew size it just what this ship needs to operate.

4:00 "room inside for the small crew". If the crew is small, does that mean the decks can be shorter? :o)

People shouldn't get hung up on the pylons. I don't see any reason why they need turbolifts if it's a giant sensor pod. There's no windows to indicate permanent or regularly used crew areas. Maintenance you just beam over. Even in the primary hull area, only the saucer has decks. The rest is probably all Jefferies-tubes. This is a 'scout class wessle'.

200 metres is a good size for it.

(Just being silly) I would suggest ILM made a typo and they were supposed to type 220m not 120m Or they actually made a different typo and meant to say 1200 feet. (or 365m)

If it was a cat meme oberth is smol

I say simular size to a nova since the nova replaced her

The crew of the ship is not the same as the scientists that requisitioned the ship for experimented in space

200+ length fits.

What if the windows weren't in the walls? What if they were in the ceilings? Like Velux Windows. Then there could be only two decks, in four rings.

The first mistake is assuming those are windows.

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The first mistake is assuming ILM cared much about scaling

@CaptRobertApril

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@@starshipreviews There is that.

I always thought maybe its wasn't a human design

Hey, at least it doesn't have right-angled nacelle pylons.

200m long.

I never understood where the navigational deflector was, i see the dark hole on the back of the pod, but its weird it would be in the back and not lit. or is the engineering secion was located in the pod.... but in TNG it seem engineering was in the dome near the bridge. I never liked this ship its kind of everything Gene roddenbery said not to do. the warp necels are connected to the shit and not separated and i hate that they don't glow blue or have bussards collectors. i would add all that if i designed it

Length of ship has nothing to do with interior space for decks…I work on a boat which is 32m in length and it has three decks. Another I worked on was around 60m in length and had 4 decks.

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It does get to be an issue though when it comes to interior shots. You could fit two decks of 2.3 meters height on a canonical 120m Oberth. But whenever we see the ships interior she has standard starfleet height decks. Which simply do not work on that scale of ship, the problem is made worse when you consider schematics which show as many as four decks. I agree that size does not equate to number of decks, HMS victory has three full gun decks, plus several below water decks. But they are not generally considered workable heights for a ship today.

@seapappy9183

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@@starshipreviews the decks have around 6.5-7.5ft of head clearance on most vessels I’ve worked on… definitely not the same as a house

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The Oberth is an ugly starship, even by federation standards. My main objection to this vessel is the fact that the saucer section is completely decoupled from the main hole. There is no physical way to get from the saucer section to the main hall without transporters or some other practical magic, every starship in the Federation fleet is connected to the primary hall for reason because that’s where the work drive is

Maybe it’s a TARDIS

Yes I agree with you, I believed it was 120 meters but now yes probably about the size of the NX-01 roughly 220 or so meters, good job on this video, I’m a sucker for small ships and the smaller the better so I assumed 120 m but yes your right.

@lukeallan6527

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I just bought the 1:350 scale model of this oberth class and compared it next to the 1:350 scale nx-01. It is noticeable smaller than the nx series. The pod is longer, the height it greater(due to the pod) but overall the crew decks are tiny compared to nx. It's a small lab in space.